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Old 02-22-2009, 03:18 AM
BeautifulBurnout
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Re: how stupid are we???
Sean

I think Rog was prolly drunk when he posted this - and I think he is talking about Binyam Mohamed being released from Guantanamo and returned to the UK.

But he has some basic facts wrong - he didn't arrive in the UK on a fake passport, but at the age of 15 with his family as an asylum seeker. Although his asylum claim (or rather his family's asylum claim) failed, he was given Exceptional Leave to Remain in the UK for a period of 4 years, after which - provided you keep your nose clean - it becomes Indefinite Leave to Remain and thereafter you can apply for citizenship should you want it.

For whatever reason, in 2001 he decided to go to Afghanistan - he had recently converted to Islam. For whatever reason, he then went over the border into Pakistan. For whatever reason, instead of using his Convention travel documents (as a refugee he would not have had a passport and would have had to use temporary travel documents to leave and enter the UK) he decided to try and use a friend's passport to leave Pakistan for his return journey.

He was picked up by the Pakistani authorities and rendered first to Afghanistan, then Morocco and was held as an enemy combattant (I presume) in "black sites" and tortured. He was then rendered to Guantanamo in 04 and has been there since.

He is supposed to have admitted to researching the preparation of a "dirty bomb" on the basis of a satirical website set up in 1979 by Barbara Ehrenreich and others. It is alleged that he was tortured by having small cuts made to his genitals, amongst other things.

Charges were never brought against him. He is one of the 5 people whose cases were so appallingly bad that it led to the resignation of Military Prosector Darrel Vandeveld in disgust at the whole process.

Prior to his release, Binyam Mohamed's military-appointed defence lawyer Yvonne Bradley was trying to secure the release of documents which were deemed vital to the defence case, which apparently not only prove that torture took place, but also show British M15 involvement in interrogating him in the "black sites". An application to the High Court led to a ruling in which David Milliband, the British Foreign Secretary, alleged that the release of the documents would mean that there would be a breakdown in co-operation on intelligence between the UK and the US and produced a letter confirming this threat from the US. The Judges reluctantly had to concede that it was not in the interests of national security to release said documents, and thus ruled against their release.

What Milliband had neglected to mention, however, was that it was the Foreign Office that solicited the letter from the US in the first place - in other words, they created their own evidence to cover their own arses. Our government have been complicit in this man's torture and a government minister has perverted the course of justice at best and committed perjury at worst. Has he been arrested? Of course not.

And as if by magic, Binyam Mohamed is now to be released and returned to the UK in the vain hope that the question of British collusion in the torture of a person to whom we had offered refugee protection will go away. And all the right-wing nutters, tabloid consumers and, I am sorry to say, even Rog, are all saying that this man is a terrorist and shouldn't be allowed back in the UK on the basis of allegations made as a result of "confessions" obtained from torture where charges were eventually never even laid, where the British government were involved in that torture, and where the Prosecutor was so disgusted with the whole process that he resigned. Guilty until proven innocent, as always.

On the other hand, I could be completely wrong, and Rog is complaining about an immigrant family who has moved into his house, taken his job off him and got his daughter pregnant.... but I doubt it.
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