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Originally Posted by Cacophony
that was the purpose of the thread. not to "win" or convert anyone, but to discuss the merits of each side of the argument and perhaps see something new.
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Agreed. Something like this, it's a very, well, philosophical issue. There will never be the elusive right answer that convinces everyone outright. If only it was that easy! At most, some of the points raised make us (certainly make me) think about things in a slightly new way. That's certainly how I've reached my current position, and that's far from set in stone. Finding the paradoxes are all part of the fun. I find ethical issues surrounding life, death, even speciesism and animal rights - to be fascinating.