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Deckard 06-17-2008 01:41 PM

Hamas announces 6-month truce with Israel
 
Now I don't want to sound overly-cynical, but whenever I hear those phrases "Hamas announces truce" or "Hamas announces ceasefire", it always seems to be followed (within days) by some kind of Israeli assault, resulting in said 'truce' in shreds.

Am I suggesting deliberate coercion by elements within Israel to keep Hamas as the enemy? No, not at all. I'd want more to go on before arriving at that conclusion.

However... (!) I have to be honest and admit, it's been a pattern I've noticed enough times as to warrant me posting my concerns here, so let's just see what happens. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong this time. And if I am, I'll take note of it.

(In the interest of balance, I would add that whenever sensitive negotiations are taking place between the two sides, these are similarly sabotaged by elements of the Palestinian side. But then we all knew that anyway.)

cured 06-17-2008 02:12 PM

Re: Hamas announces 6-month truce with Israel
 
Prelude to a military conflict. Whoever blinks first is going to have the other all over them in very short order.

Jason Roth 06-17-2008 02:45 PM

Re: Hamas announces 6-month truce with Israel
 
Can I ban people for being stupid?

Deckard 06-17-2008 02:52 PM

Re: Hamas announces 6-month truce with Israel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Roth (Post 97934)
Can I ban people for being stupid?

Do elaborate...

Jason Roth 06-17-2008 03:00 PM

Re: Hamas announces 6-month truce with Israel
 
Forget it. You're right. It's all Israel's fault.

Deckard 06-17-2008 03:12 PM

Re: Hamas announces 6-month truce with Israel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Roth (Post 97936)
Forget it. You're right. It's all Israel's fault.

Yes of course, exactly what I meant to say. :rolleyes:

Jason Roth 06-17-2008 03:30 PM

Re: Hamas announces 6-month truce with Israel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Deckard (Post 97937)
Yes of course, exactly what I meant to say. :rolleyes:

"whenever I hear those phrases "Hamas announces truce" or "Hamas announces ceasefire", it always seems to be followed (within days) by some kind of Israeli assault, resulting in said 'truce' in shreds."

Deckard 06-17-2008 04:02 PM

Re: Hamas announces 6-month truce with Israel
 
Certainly the last few times (which doesn't equal a historical 'always', I'll give you that) that I've felt a tinge of optimism, it seems to have been Israel in the news days later getting heavy handed, and the 'brink' is lost.

Much as I'd love to dig out sources, I'm going purely on the memory of reading those stories and thinking to myself, "Christ, Israel, what a lousy time to go and do something like that". Naturally you're free to speculate on whether my memory is selective and being influenced by a fixed pro-Palestinian (or anti-Israel) bias, and I imagine that no amount of me denying that will convince you otherwise if you've already made up your mind.

What I will say to you Jason, is that if you think I believe the current mess is "all Israel's fault" - or even the majority of it is Israel's fault - then you're very much mistaken, and being rather stupid yourself.

BeautifulBurnout 06-18-2008 12:49 PM

Re: Hamas announces 6-month truce with Israel
 
Seems they are also calling for talks on Lebanon too now, which is interesting.

An article in the Jerusalem Post seems to be pre-empting a potential terrorist attack by other factions in the run-up to the Hamas truce that might require a "response", however. And the head of Military Intelligence seems to be looking on the bright side too :rolleyes::
Quote:

Brig.-Gen. Yossi Baiditz, head of Military Intelligence's Research Division, said that the IDF had already prepared and presented plans for operations in Gaza should the truce collapse. MKs, he said, had already been briefed on the various options and contingencies.

"Even if the calm is achieved with Hamas and the other terror organizations, it will be temporary and breakable," he added.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Roth (Post 97934)
Can I ban people for being stupid?

You appear to have read the first line of Deckard's post without reading the rest of it, which is very balanced. In fact I am at a loss to find anyone who posts in the World Forum with a more balanced approach than Deckard's, ever. Threatening to ban someone because you don't share their opinion makes no sense at all, especially in World. There would be no-one left. ;)

Sean 06-18-2008 03:57 PM

Re: Hamas announces 6-month truce with Israel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout (Post 97983)
Seems they are also calling for talks on Lebanon too now, which is interesting.

An article in the Jerusalem Post seems to be pre-empting a potential terrorist attack by other factions in the run-up to the Hamas truce that might require a "response", however. And the head of Military Intelligence seems to be looking on the bright side too :rolleyes::

Can't blame them given the history. In contrast with Deckard, as I remember it, during previous attempts at a cease-fire, there would be things like kidnappings of Israeli soldiers or random missiles shot across the border into Israel that would prompt a military response from them. When dealing with a terrorist organization like Hamas, I'd say it's wise to be ready for anything.


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