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negative1 11-25-2015 02:42 PM

Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
just taking a stab at what i thought a boxset might be like:


feel free to add your own tracks to it:
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beaucoup fish deluxe v0.2
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1 album remastered
2 preview from XFM radio
3 remixes
4 b-sides and edits
5 live tracks
- from uw.com
- single
- partial gigs
6 DVD videos
- promo
- beacoup fish promo
- live
====================================

Live session at XFM pirate radio 1998
====================================

set time: 31 minutes

overall
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0:23 00:10 - 00:34 intro - kittens
8:11 00:35 - 08:46 cups
4:54 09:38 - 13:54 winjer
4:12 13:55 - 18:10 inst interlude1
2:10 18:20 - 20:14 inst interlude2
1:05 20:39 - 21:44 kittens
7:27 21:45 - 28:55 moaner
--------------------------------
6 tracks
30min

remixes
===========================================
1 10:17 Moaner (album version)
2 10:04 Moaner (relentless legs remix)
3 7:37 Moaner (long version)
---
25min

4 8:55 King Of Snake (original version)
5 6:54 King Of Snake (dave angel rework)
6 6:01 King Of Snake (dave clark remix)
7 7:30 Kittens (s.m.f.u. - original mix)
----
30min

8:13 Push Upstairs (roger s. blue plastic people mix)
4:56 Push Upstairs (adam beyer mix 1)
5:39 Push Upstairs (the large unit)
6:47 Push Upstairs (darren price remix)
4:42 push upstairs (adam beyer mix 2)
5:38 push upstairs (the large unit)
6:43 push upstairs(roger s. narcotic haze dub)
----
40min


6:30 jumbo (future shock worlds apart mix edit)
8:12 jumbo (future shock worlds apart mix )
6:02 jumbo (jedis electro dub mix)
6:28 jumbo (jedis sugar hit mix edit)
7:53 jumbo (jedis sugar hit mix)
6:51 jumbo (rob rives&francois k. main dish edit)
8:26 jumbo (rob rives & francois k. main dish)
1:56 jumbo (rob rives & francois k.prelude)
---------
50min

8:32 king of snake (ashley beedle's save our discos re-edit)
8:34 king of snake (coccolutu remix)
7:58 king of snake (dino lenny remix)
6:57 king of snake (fatboy slim mix)
8:04 king of snake (martin orchestramix)
8:49 king of snake (rick's bungalow mix)
7:32 king of snake (slam remix)
-------
55min

4:21 bruce lee (buffalo daughter remix)
4:20 bruce lee (dobropet)
8:54 bruce lee (micronauts remix)
6:47 bruce lee (dj hype and dj zinc remix) promo cd only
9:23 cups (salt city orchestra vertical bacon vocal)
-----
30min

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34 tracks
25 30 40 50 55 30= 55 90 85 = 145 85 = 230 = 3hr50min


b-sides and edits
===========================================
4:08 Moaner (short version
4:00 push upstairs (radio edit)
4:34 push upstairs (the full length of it)
7:29 Please Help Me

4:07 jumbo (edit)
3:55 king of snake (barking mix)
3:54 king of snake (straight mate mix)
4:00 king of snake (rick's bungalow mix 7" edit)

2:59 bruce lee (short)
-------------------------------
9 tracks
35min


live tracks from uw.com:
==================================
mama nuxx 5:59
king of snake (spoken word) 6:55

belfort 2001
------------
push upstairs 11:59
king of snake 10:25

fuji 2001
---------
push upstairs 6:46
king of snake 12:41
jumbo 8:41
kittens 10:26
bruce lee 11:53

blue mountain 2001
------------------
push upstairs 6:31
cups 7:19
something like a mama 11:06
please help me-cappe ffuno 10:59
king of snake(1) 9:28
king of snake(2) 8:35
bruce lee 8:56

peel sessions 2003
------------------
jumbo 8:26
moaner 8:09
------------------------------------------------
18 tracks
155min = 2hr35min


i'm sure there would be some new demos and unreleased tracks
added in there also.


later
-1

khouri 11-25-2015 05:15 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
The thing I want most is the 98 gig from the Mayan in downtown LA, one of three Beaucoup Fish road tests and the first UW show I ever saw. I met Rick after the Dubno show in London and told him I was at that gig in LA and he looked at me very seriously and said, "That was a good show." If you've heard the bootleg, you know the arrangements were wonderful that night, and you hear Push, Snake, Cups and Jumbo in primordial form, not to mention FIVE POINTS, the most frustratingly unreleased UW jam of all time, surely.

I really don't want any of the remixes by other artists. Not into it at all. I want as much pure Underworld as they can fit on those discs.

Troy McClure 11-25-2015 08:29 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Showcasing other remixers wouldn't be my first choice either even though there were some good ones from that period.

As for any potential studio demo tracks I'd like:

--Cappe Ffuno
--The part of King of Snake they used when they did really long live jams...I think it's referred to as 'Bungalow'
--Please Help Me jams
--Five Points

And I'd love to hear anything from the Underworld & U2 sessions.

Jason

purlieu 11-26-2015 03:25 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Would be good to get Please Help Me, Barking Mix, Dobropet, Relentless Legs and The Large Unit all together but otherwise it's definitely short on already-released bonus material. Wouldn't be surprised if, should the album get released, it was just the 2-disc special edition with those and some unreleased pieces, rather than a 4/5 disc deluxe box.

mark3 11-26-2015 04:58 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Troy McClure (Post 159392)
... And I'd love to hear anything from the Underworld & U2 sessions. Jason

There's also the possibility that U2 release a 20th anniversary edition of 'Pop' which they have done with other albums - giving us a chance to hear the Mofo mix(es).
If they do, that would be in 2017.

pandamagic 11-26-2015 09:46 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
I guess there's no reason why a hypothetical box set need only include the strictly Beaucoup Fish tracks/jams from underworldlive.com site. The skyscraper / air towel / stagger (etc) jams are all from 2000 (as far as I know) and therefor of the BF era. So it might be a good idea to include everything from 99 - 2001 in this thread, including the "cowgirl live" single with the bedrock/futureshock mixes.

holden 11-26-2015 11:05 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Troy McClure (Post 159392)
Showcasing other remixers wouldn't be my first choice either even though there were some good ones from that period.

As for any potential studio demo tracks I'd like:

--Cappe Ffuno
--The part of King of Snake they used when they did really long live jams...I think it's referred to as 'Bungalow'
--Please Help Me jams
--Five Points



Jason

This. My favorite era of UW. Have all the remixes, radio shows, live improvs. I'd love studio versions of the above UW jams, but see no reason for remastered remixes. Rarely are they very memorable, though I guess you could argue that this era was the last time when remixers really worked with the track elements, rather than taking a vocal sample and one loop to put on top of their own crap production, which is sadly the case today.

As I mentioned in the Stiti thread, I'm most keen to hear outtakes from the BF sessions. Just because we don't know about them doesn't mean they don't exist... Case in point, STITI boxset disc 3.

There are accounts that the BF recording sessions were tense, with mixes shared over DAT if not in person. Promises of many embryonic versions! Would love to have works in progress and tracks like the above that never saw official release, especially Cappe Ffuno

khouri 11-26-2015 11:09 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
I don't see the value in compiling stuff that's already been released on CD, since we have it in high quality already. But the UWlive jams would be rad, along with the DVD exclusive music from Everything Everything like Kittens, Rowla, Moaner, Dark Train and everything else from the ROM portion.

But aside from the live show i mentioned, I'd love to hear early versions of all the BF tracks. The Second Toughest and Dubno releases showed us that there's potentially loads of stuff we've not only never heard, but even never heard OF.

marcolphus 11-27-2015 01:01 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by purlieu (Post 159394)
Would be good to get Please Help Me, Barking Mix, Dobropet, Relentless Legs and The Large Unit all together but otherwise it's definitely short on already-released bonus material. Wouldn't be surprised if, should the album get released, it was just the 2-disc special edition with those and some unreleased pieces, rather than a 4/5 disc deluxe box.

Add King of Snake (rick's bungalow mix) 8:49 and you have all those tracks.

negative1 11-27-2015 06:57 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by khouri (Post 159391)

I really don't want any of the remixes by other artists. Not into it at all. I want as much pure Underworld as they can fit on those discs.


that might have been true for their earlier mixes.

however, at this point, the ones they did were all fairly mundane, and basically just extending the tracks which was really boring.

all the other remixers had a great time doing their mixes.

--------------

underworld used to do radical mixes on their own and on other peoples work,
but all that seemed to stop a long time ago.

Quote:

Originally Posted by khouri (Post 159400)
I don't see the value in compiling stuff that's already been released on CD, since we have it in high quality already. But the UWlive jams would be rad, along with the DVD exclusive music from Everything Everything like Kittens, Rowla, Moaner, Dark Train and everything else from the ROM portion.

except some are out of print, some are promos, and not everyone wants to hunt down all those singles..

which is one of the points of compiling them for a boxset.

later
-1

jetpig 11-27-2015 07:07 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
While the peel tracks are technically BF sourced, I want to believe that AHDO will include that show in full, cleaned up and mixed with John's mic in full quality. I dont mind that *we* already have it, even.

markreed 11-27-2015 10:57 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
My provisional thoughts are :

CD1 : Beaucoup Fish, remastered
CD2 : Oh, King of Snake (Bungalow), Push Upstairs (The Large Unit), Jumbo (Futureshock Mix), Cups (Vertical Bacon Mix), Cowgirl (Futureshock Mix), King Of Snake (Dino Lenny), Dobropret, Please Help Me, 8 Ball
CD3 : Studio Jams - Oich Oich, Skycraper, Air Towel, Something Like A Nuxx, King of Snake, Thing n A Book 250501, Stagger 010601
CD 4 : London Alexandra Palace 01-01-99

That's what we know exists, and manages to ditch most of the uninteresting third party mixes. I've chosen the KoS Dino Lenny mix as it has different KH vocals.

markreed 11-27-2015 11:35 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Oh, I forgot the "Relentless Legs mix" of Moaner, just pretend I didn't and that slots in CD#2.

negative1 11-27-2015 01:48 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
i will never understand why all these tracks can't just be put on:

-----------------------
1 dvd (dual layer) 9 gigs
2 bluray audio 25 gigs
------------------------
etiher as audio tracks, or files.

it's been ages for those formats [ok, maybe not the bluray audio],
but bluray discs aren't exactly new.

and if you really want to go retro, a USB stick.

other groups have done this before..

i know about the crazy depeche mode, and u2 super collections on itunes
that were hundreds of dollars. ok, we don't need that yet. (or maybe we do).

it's not that hard. restricting it to cd's is almost as bad as vinyl (and i love vinyl).

you would think they would go back to putting up extras or exclusives as
digital downloads in their store. we know there's a market for that.


later
-1

stimpee 12-05-2015 08:46 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by holden (Post 159399)
I guess you could argue that this era was the last time when remixers really worked with the track elements, rather than taking a vocal sample and one loop to put on top of their own crap production, which is sadly the case today.

WORD. Some awful mixes in the last 7-8 years. The remixes of UW tracks for OWB were a real mixed bag. Some of the mixes for Barking were a disgrace.

Lx_Nen 12-05-2015 08:53 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Absolutely agree. I would prefer the reissues gave us just Underworld's work, skipping remixes by other people entirely, from BF onwards including this material would mean either repeating a lot of very similar mixes, or being seriously incomplete. My wishlist is:

CD1 Album Remaster
CD2 Remixes by UW (Kos Bungalow and barking, etc) and studio jams
CD3 Early versions (Xfm?) and unreleased tracks
CD4 Interestingly different live versions of the album tracks (there's a wealth of choice here - long versions of Cups pt 2, fast versions of Bruce Lee, etc.)

As for the point -1 makes, I agree 4CDs didn't give STITI the room it needed with things like Carp Dreams (Koi), the Juanita edit, Dubno felt a bit incomplete without Kiteless and the Cutting Room floor mix in physical form, and both sets would have been miles better with at least 1 complete live gig from that era.

Perhaps the reason we're not getting a lot of live/video content is that it's being stored up for a data-heavy Everything Everything Box? The Live Here Now discs show there's a demand for every live gig they make available, even if unmastered and incorrectly trimmed. Rick could stick 50 DATs on a memory stick and make us very happy!

joethelion 12-05-2015 11:11 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Ok... if they don't include "Five Points" in the BF boxset

...I'm done.

(edit)

But what would be nice, is to finally have the "Blue Mountain Jam" in high quality. If I remember correctly... they're all 160 kbps mp3s

negative1 12-05-2015 01:18 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joethelion (Post 159491)
Ok... if they don't include "Five Points" in the BF boxset

...I'm done.

agreed would be good to have.

Quote:

(edit)

But what would be nice, is to finally have the "Blue Mountain Jam" in high quality. If I remember correctly... they're all 160 kbps mp3s
except the first track, which was in 192k i think.

later
-1

Mike 12-05-2015 01:33 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
I don't want to hear anything I have heard already.

Why waste space on the Blue Mountain Jam and XFM demos?!

Instead, lets have some of those 200+ demo snippets they have on DAT and find out more about how the album developed.

joethelion 12-05-2015 03:13 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike (Post 159493)
I don't want to hear anything I have heard already.

Why waste space on the Blue Mountain Jam and XFM demos?!

Instead, lets have some of those 200+ demo snippets they have on DAT and find out more about how the album developed.

true.

But seriously though - "Five Points" really has to be on it

It would be nice to hear how "Bruce Lee" developed, I vaguely recall an interview where Karl mentioned that the track started during the STITI era...

Mike 12-07-2015 01:58 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joethelion (Post 159494)
It would be nice to hear how "Bruce Lee" developed, I vaguely recall an interview where Karl mentioned that the track started during the STITI era...

Theres actually a mention of Bruce Lee in this in the Radio 1 documentary/interview:

http://stuff.rowla.com/underworld-ra...underworld.mp3

After 16:30-ish Darren Emerson explains that it was "Done a long time ago" (this interview was around 98 / 99). They go on to talk about how they tried to make it "less hip-hop sounding".

(Anyone got a better quality of this documentary? - I used to have it on MiniDisc but I can't find it anywhere!)

BrotherLovesDub 12-07-2015 03:07 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
I just want a version of Cups without Pens or whatever it is at the end.

khouri 12-07-2015 03:39 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub (Post 159506)
I just want a version of Cups without Pens or whatever it is at the end.

I needed one for a mixtape I was making so I just edited my own.

Lx_Nen 12-07-2015 03:50 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub (Post 159506)
I just want a version of Cups without Pens or whatever it is at the end.

...and I just want the end without Cups on the front :-)

dubman 01-11-2016 04:45 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
CD1: album remastered
CD2: b-sides/unreleased and lemonworld tracks from uwlive (Please Help Me, Nuxx Jam, File 200401, KOS Bungalow & September 97, Ref 010101, kippers [unlikely], Dobropet)
CD3: unreleased things/unknown alternates (Five Points A729, A0992, 1488BB9LOL)
CD4: Blue Mountain Jam or an especially embryonic live recording seeing as how they started touring it before the album was even out.
CD5: Tomato blu-ray
CD6: 70 minute live Pens jam, half of it beatless

comes with decals of all the shapes

jetpig 01-13-2016 02:05 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

CD6: 70 minute live Pens jam, half of it beatless
sold.

markreed 01-24-2016 06:44 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
I'd be happy with a decent quality of the Cologne 1999 TV broadcast on a DVD

potatobroth 01-24-2016 02:10 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by markreed (Post 159637)
I'd be happy with a decent quality of the Cologne 1999 TV broadcast on a DVD

ABSOLUTELY. My favorite bootleg of all time. Has a killer version of Rowla.

fruitsnword 08-14-2016 04:03 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Major bump...

Is there any projected date or year for this boxset?

And as this is a wishlist:
Disc 3 (or 7 or whatever) outtakes or full lengths of things like the Shudder intro to KOS.

Pretty please :p

joethelion 08-17-2016 01:45 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by potatobroth (Post 159638)
ABSOLUTELY. My favorite bootleg of all time. Has a killer version of Rowla.

funny - I would say that "Live at Mojo Club, Reeperbahn, Hamburg (02-11-1998)"

is a better show... It's one of the few performances of the first half of "Cups" and there's awesome versions of Rowla & Cherry Pie

(I'd even say it rivals "European Club Gig")

crank 08-22-2016 02:43 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joethelion (Post 161329)
funny - I would say that "Live at Mojo Club, Reeperbahn, Hamburg (02-11-1998)"

is a better show... It's one of the few performances of the first half of "Cups" and there's awesome versions of Rowla & Cherry Pie

(I'd even say it rivals "European Club Gig")

AGREED.
STORMING.

twicezero 08-23-2016 04:48 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crank (Post 161340)
AGREED.
STORMING.

https://www.mixcloud.com/YeahRadio/u...rg-02-11-1998/

its got it's last 3-4 tracks first, but, OH MY!

jetpig 08-23-2016 04:25 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
After reading this i gave it a DL and a listen, and oh my you guys werent kidding!!!

Its on the tracker, in full, but from two different sources. I recommend making the switch from the lower quality source before jumbo.

geoff 08-26-2016 02:48 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
This is just an absolutely sick show, can't believe I've never heard it until now. Definitely gives the Koln '99 show a run for its money. Thank you joethelion for bringing it up and twicezero for the link :D

holden 08-26-2016 05:20 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
I dug this gig out of my boot stash and have to agree, it's amazing.

Beaucoup Fish is still my favorite UW album. Is it technically or emotionally the best? Perhaps not. But it always moves me and reveals new sounds.
I said it before, but again...let's have alternative versions/ works in progress, a healthy helping of jams and unreleased tracks like Cappe Ffuno and Five Points.

stimpee 08-28-2016 11:30 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Arent all sources of the Reeperbahn show from VHS?

stimpee 08-28-2016 11:39 AM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by negative1 (Post 159383)
just taking a stab at what i thought a boxset might be like:

live tracks from uw.com:
==================================

belfort 2001
------------
push upstairs 11:59
king of snake 10:25

fuji 2001
---------
push upstairs 6:46
king of snake 12:41
jumbo 8:41
kittens 10:26
bruce lee 11:53

blue mountain 2001
------------------
push upstairs 6:31
cups 7:19
something like a mama 11:06
please help me-cappe ffuno 10:59
king of snake(1) 9:28
king of snake(2) 8:35
bruce lee 8:56

-1

I dont think any Peel Session 2003 tracks belong on there. And Belfort is 1998, and Fuji is 1999. Blue Mountain is early 1999 too. If youre going for live tracks, dont just pick the tracks that appeared on the album. Pick a gig. A whole gig that represents. The early 1998 sets only really had KoS, and then PU and then Cups and then Jumbo. 1999 had a more polished set but the 1998 sets were more upbeat and harder like the 1996 sets.

negative1 08-28-2016 01:44 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stimpee (Post 161377)
I dont think any Peel Session 2003 tracks belong on there. And Belfort is 1998, and Fuji is 1999. Blue Mountain is early 1999 too. If youre going for live tracks, dont just pick the tracks that appeared on the album. Pick a gig. A whole gig that represents. The early 1998 sets only really had KoS, and then PU and then Cups and then Jumbo. 1999 had a more polished set but the 1998 sets were more upbeat and harder like the 1996 sets.

they were chosen, because they were officially released, or at least
endorsed.

yes, of course, a full gig would be great.

but there are too many to choose from.

i'm sure as mentioned above, there are some great gigs that highlight
that era.

but back then, they used a lot of song from previous albums, so it's
listeners choice as to what they would like to hear.

later
-1

iamneorev 08-29-2016 03:48 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jetpig (Post 161349)
After reading this i gave it a DL and a listen, and oh my you guys werent kidding!!!

Its on the tracker, in full, but from two different sources. I recommend making the switch from the lower quality source before jumbo.

Hey where did you download? The tracker? I would love to be able to DL more Underworld bootlegs like this. Any suggestions? I just have the official live releases from them.

joethelion 08-30-2016 04:11 PM

Re: Wishlist - Beaucoup fish deluxe boxset
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stimpee (Post 161376)
Arent all sources of the Reeperbahn show from VHS?

that - I'm not sure of...

I have two versions (I'm at work now, so neither of which are handy right now)

One sounds more like a radio broadcast - there's a bit of analogue 'static' throughout, and it starts with pre-gig music ... vaguely 'hip hop ish' (it lasts for only a few seconds). The tracks are separated in larger chunks, and the bootleg doesn't include the "Cowgirl" encore.

Then there's a second version, which - to my ears sounds a bit cleaner. It does not include the pre-gig music. All of the improvs and songs are separated into tracks, and it does include Cowgirl

Glad to know more people are finding out about this show! To me it's as 'essential' as "European Club Gig" "Tramway '94" or "Bootleg Babies"


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