R.I.P. Stylus.
 

http://www.observer.com/2007/stylus-...fter-halloween

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http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articl...-to-stylus.htm

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meh

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"end of an era"

that era being, Second rate Webzine desperately trying to feel half as important as Pitchfork but failing because the writers were all shit and the content sucked.

adios doods, enjoy writing shit reviews on your personal blogs now!

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Bah, the Left Hand Path column was good :mad:

Actually I liked the site in general, you could find reviews of some shitty alt-country with A scores. You could really find any genre reviewed on the site really, sometimes the reviewer didnt know what the hell he was writing about but meh, at least it was not policed by pitchfork's arbiters of good taste and indiedom.

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Disappointing.

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do you actually TRY to make yourself angry? the editor of Stylus has never cared about being either "important" or similar to Pitchfork.

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i haven't got a clue who the editor of the paper is but i've not read anything on that site that i've enjoyed.

the truth is, they were playing catch up to Pitchfork and failed at every turn. their demise was hinted at for weeks. this comes as no surprise to me.

i guess the point is, if they were good and people gave a shit, they'd still be active.

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"to the guys who posted on the Turntable for a couple of weeks when we thought we were going to become a blogging force. "

orly?

so that time when they thought they were going to become a blogging force wasn't them trying to be important or compete with Pitchfork?

ok.

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that above statement makes no logical sense. do things only exist because they are competing with each other? do you think of everything in your life in terms of a top 10 list? do you think hot dogs are trying to play catch-up to Italian sausages, but fail miserably and should die?

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I enjoyed Stylus. I found their reviews a lot more tolerable than Pitchfork's and less self important.

I didn't get the sense that the guy was competing with Pitchfork. I mean, I run Dirtyradio and I'm not doing it to compete with anyone.

The explanation he seemed to give was that he didn't want to do it anymore.

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btw, i hate pitchfork too!

maybe i should do a list of sites i hate.

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My thoughts exactly.

Friends come & go and still remain relevant.

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exactly.
Pitchfork is like being in the record store with those dudes behind the counter...

Stylus is like sitting around talking and not feeling like if you didn't own, as LCD Sounsystem put it, every Seminal Detroit album from 85, 86, 87... that your thoughts didn't count..

crAnk.

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hey, which Seminal Detroit record are you missing? i think i have them all ;)

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Favorite thing I've ever seen you write....:D

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That's brilliant. As a similar analogy I sometimes use 'I suppose you think your fridge is rubbish because it's not as cold as your freezer'. Wanna do a swap/trade?

Anyway, I think hot dogs are better than Italian sausages.

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LOL, I didn't even see Sean's post. RIGHT ON BROTHER.

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do you honestly believe Sylus wasn't trying to compete with Pitchfork? they're almost identical and covered almost the exact same shit.

your analogy is bogus. a more suitable analogy would be:

Oscar Meyer has the hot dog biz on lock-down. Oscer Moyer enters the game also trying to sell hot dogs. Same basic meat, slightly diff. packaging and their ads were less in your face. Oscer Moyer fails to gain traction and is generally ignored until one sad day the owner decides he has better things to do. Of course his decision has nothing to do with the fact that his direct competition was outselling him.

you're comparing hot dogs to sausages!

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and? what music website formed around the same time by a similar demographic would NOT be covering "almsot the exact same shit" (even though, if you actually read the site, Stylus clearly had much more interesting and varied content)? what creative things have ever existed totally in a vacuum, without drawing from others? do you really see nothing but a 1:1 correlation here? is whatever is perceived as #1 the only thing that registers to you personally?

if Stylus were ever competing with Pitchfork, it was for the barest necessities--writers, ad revenue, promos, whatever. to anyone who has ever communicated with Todd Burns, it's completely apparent that guy started the site as a music dork who thought it would be an interesting way to wile away the time. that people would one day be dissing Stylus as a second-rate Pitchfork is something i seriously doubt ever occurred to him when he started that site. the nice thing about Stylus is that it's been such a rich forum for music lovers to think out loud, which has nothing in common with how Pitchfork attempts, and has always attempted, to give the final word on everything.

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I disagree. I'm not grounding this in any real study of the two but from my ancedotal view of the two, Pitchfork was obiviously birthed by Indie kids and Stylus had a better ear for dance music. Let's not forget that late 90's Pitchfork mostly treated dance music like it was repugnant fart.

Personally I don't read reviews much anyways - I just look for new music lists and download them.

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ya. like scott I have almost entirely stopped reading music reviews... I find them a bit pretentious, and a number of them seem to pretend to like things that just aren't good to me... Downloading is a way better way to see if you like something... Now that is gone for the time-being too :(

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Lighten up. Life really isn't that bad. :)

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what if pitchfork did die?
instead of me not caring with stylus i might actually be a little happy about that.
any website that can see someone go down in flames because of a goose-egg rating should be reset. it's not even worth it for the good reviews, like the one they did for The Field.
while i'm not 100% tired of music reviews (it's getting there), i've actually found that i'm geting very tired of movie reviews....

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that was a joke home boy. get one sarcasm detector.

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what sites are good for electronic music reviews, anyways? Both underground and popular.

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Who gives a mouse's turd, anyway? Both Stylus and particularly Pitchfork are practically unreadible from their snobbery and bias. Though i do visit the latter for their occasionally fun-to-look at American Apparel ads :p

Face it, if you really like a band, reviewers will almost always irk you, and if you choose your music based on what a critic writes, you're not listening hard enough.

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Well a good review can help you take off your fanboy googles or to try harder at something you'll dismiss at first listen.
As said before I never though of Stylus as snobbish, that was the main distinction with Pitchfork, they really had to try to cover everything and review it on its own terms be it Top 100 pop, crunk, country, dance, trance, metal or w/e. They never had that attitude of "this is what the cool kids are listening to".

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how much of either have you actually read? are people snobs because they try to write about subjective things? or is it because they put thought into them?

have you ever listened to music because someone put in a good word for it? how is that different?

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this forum :D

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Are you being contrarian just for the sake of being so? Come on. No, i've not read either because i'm illiterate. I was just making baseless statements.:rolleyes:

Yes, i have listened to music based on someone's good word...the words of people i know and respect and who can eloquently describe why i should give it a try. I don't know or respect Joe Pitchfork or Billy Stylus. Their tone and uninformed reviews say it all. Do i need to dig up examples of the lack of thought that goes into these critiques? Critiques are subjective, yes, and that's fine, but when they're not particularly well-written nor do they concentrate on the music itself but rather the scene surrounding it, that's the difference.

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This might have happened ocassionally but as a usual Stylus reader I have to say that this is not the case.

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The world forum doesn't hold a candle to the animosity here in headset. ;) :D

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yes, holden, i was just trying to be a complete asshole. why else would someone take issue with your objective, well-considered viewpoints? how dare anyone accuse you of not being fair. everyone at Stylus is an uninformed scenester snob who doesn't actually care about music. they don't have enough information, they don't like music for the right reasons, and they even think they're better than you. this is so obvious that i'd be an even bigger asshole if i asked for examples of poorly written, poorly thought-out reviews that unjustifiably talk about scene instead of music. also, critics are useless. congratulations.

ps. i'm definitely being a huge asshole right now.

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The sarcasm is clear. No negativity intended bld. I'm just on this kick of trying to spread some good vibes. We've got enough hate in this world right now.

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No animosity, just strong opinions. Everyone feels very passionately about their musical interests, i suppose. Musical tastes are affected and modified by personal experience, so i very much doubt anyone will ever see exactly eye-to-eye.