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Cadevil 10-15-2007 09:24 PM

Best Mangu Ever
 
The piano in this track is recycled from Ancient Phat Farm Coat, no?

I love how this album unfolds and BME is a great ending...worthy of it's predecessors...Luetin, Stagger, Moaner, ME

Whoops...should be Mamgu.

King of Snake 10-15-2007 11:05 PM

Re: Best Mangu Ever
 
well dunno about recycled, but Rick seems to like this style of playing very much so it seems to get into uw songs here and there.

gaborez 10-16-2007 01:10 AM

Re: Best Mangu Ever
 
i think mangu is something completely different :eek:

i love this track too :)

Blueski 10-16-2007 01:25 AM

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Yeah, It's the same piano from 'Ancient Phat Farm Coat' -- I love it.

BrotherLovesDub 10-16-2007 07:23 AM

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that style of playing is called a Steve Reich homage if you're being generous and a Steve Reich rip-off if you're being honest.

stimpee 10-16-2007 07:33 AM

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I was gonna correct Cadevil's bad spelling (again) but its funnier this way.

Best Man-goo Ever. now it sounds gay. Like biz.

bryantm3 10-16-2007 03:33 PM

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hmm.
the album is alright. 'holding the moth' sounds a bit like mother earth (the instrumental part at least). the whole thing is good, but it's all very laid back... but best mamgu ever is the pinnacle of that laid-backness. that being said, i don't like it. when you compare it to 'mother earth', 'moaner', 'luetin' and even 'stagger', it's a very poor choice for an album closer. it's almost like filler at the end. there is some filler on the album, namely 'cuddle bunny vs. the celtic villages' and 'to heal'. not to say that they're bad songs, they're not, they're just filler between the main tracks.

'faxed invitation' is a little disappointing, because it has probably the best lyrics on the album, but the music is, once again, very subdued. 'boy boy boy' is nice, i like it. 'beautiful burnout' is much better than 'biro the leggy', much more going on. 'glam bucket' is sort of like radiohead or depeche mode, it's good. i even like 'ring road'. i think it's quite a good song.
i played this album in my art class today, and i got a generally good response. but the response i got for some of the songs was 'i like this, it's relaxing'. and i don't mean to disrespect underworld, but they're not really supposed to be 'relaxing'. if you listen to 'dubno', every song on there is engaging, even songs like 'river of bass' have you thinking, but parts of 'oblivion with bells' sound like a beige wall or something. and 'best mamgu ever' is probably the best example of that.

BrotherLovesDub 10-16-2007 04:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bryantm3
i don't mean to disrespect underworld, but they're not really supposed to be 'relaxing'.

yeah boys! come on! where are the bangers! you're not supposed to be relaxing, you're supposed to do full on club tracks!

memo to rick and karl: you're not supposed to be relaxing. please get back to songs drunk frat boys can sing along to.

thanks

bryantm3 10-16-2007 04:44 PM

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i don't like born slippy nuxx btw.

i mean they've been very mentally stimulating until these last two, and you can kind of doze away mid-song. something like cherry pie or tongue or something, it's mentally stimulating, even if it's relaxing. does that make any sense? like i can listen to tongue and be very 'in-tune' to the whole thing, the guitar, the vocals, the ambient sounds in the background of somebody walking through a garden, i can even picture it in my head. in contrast, 'best mamgu ever' is rather dull. it's good that they're not repeating the same thing over and over, but i kind of wish they'd go more in the direction of acoustic guitar than ambient techno, although there is a bit of that here, it's more strumming than playing. i don't know. listen to 'can utility and the coastliners' by genesis. i know they aren't going to go prog rock, but the guitar work on that song is the type of thing i'm talking about. there's a lot of that on previous releases, even 100 days off had it with ess gee (i know most people don't like this, but i thought it was nice).

btw, 'faxed invitation' is still good even though the lyrics beg for more (imo). i love the hammond organ at the end. that's amazing. what other techno band do you know that uses a hammond?

BrotherLovesDub 10-16-2007 05:00 PM

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bryantm3, i hear what you're saying, but i disagree totally with your statement re: Best Mamgu Ever. i think it's a wonderful rolling downtempo tune. are you sure you've got the volume loud enough?

m.g. 10-16-2007 06:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub
that style of playing is called a Steve Reich homage if you're being generous and a Steve Reich rip-off if you're being honest.

I totally agree with that. I love Best Mangu Ever & I think it's one of the best ending track of an album ever.

bryantm3 10-16-2007 08:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub
bryantm3, i hear what you're saying, but i disagree totally with your statement re: Best Mamgu Ever. i think it's a wonderful rolling downtempo tune. are you sure you've got the volume loud enough?

yeah, i blasted it on my speakers last night. total letdown. i could see it on riverrun or a single or something, but closing an album it's just not good.

BrotherLovesDub 10-16-2007 08:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bryantm3
yeah, i blasted it on my speakers last night. total letdown. i could see it on riverrun or a single or something, but closing an album it's just not good.


oh well, at least you tried.

bryantm3 10-16-2007 08:51 PM

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since genesis hardly ever did that song, here's a cover with almost identical guitar-work:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xS3NgkFRp...%20fingerstyle
the song otherwise is not as interesting, but the guitar work from steve hackett is fascinating. especially the beginning and the section at about 1:50 when it goes way-uptempo. the singing is a bit off especially with the italian accent- you can't really tell what he's saying.

another great guitarist is michael gulezian- i saw him a couple of weeks ago at a friend's house:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Bz5RHJ-7V4

the way he works the guitar is just amazing. a really good song he does that i can't find on youtube is called 'tumbledweeb'.

ndrwrld 10-16-2007 09:03 PM

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i love this song at the end of the album, 9+ minutes of brilliance. laid back easy feeling like ! i doubt i'll hear this live this tour ( or ever ), but thats okay.

BrotherLovesDub 10-16-2007 09:04 PM

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oh, i forgot bryantm3 was the genesis fan. nevermind.

stimpee 10-17-2007 12:21 AM

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It was going oh so well until Phil Collins and crew made an appearance.

gaborez 10-17-2007 12:54 AM

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lol :)

Leon 10-17-2007 03:13 AM

Re: Best Mangu Ever
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bryantm3
since genesis hardly ever did that song, here's a cover with almost identical guitar-work:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xS3NgkFRp...%20fingerstyle
the song otherwise is not as interesting, but the guitar work from steve hackett is fascinating. especially the beginning and the section at about 1:50 when it goes way-uptempo. the singing is a bit off especially with the italian accent- you can't really tell what he's saying.

another great guitarist is michael gulezian- i saw him a couple of weeks ago at a friend's house:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Bz5RHJ-7V4

the way he works the guitar is just amazing. a really good song he does that i can't find on youtube is called 'tumbledweeb'.

What's the use of "wanting" the song to sound like Genesis?

This is the way Underworld wanted it. I LOVE the guitar sounds actually.

Dirty0900 10-17-2007 03:21 AM

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I still cant get my head round this track either. Its ok, but not one of my favourites on the album. I agree its more of a RiverRun sounding track.

Buji 10-17-2007 04:45 AM

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'Best Mamgu Ever' is my fave on the album followed closely by 'Holding The Moth', I must have a thing about piano's!!!

phaseblue 10-17-2007 09:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Buji
'Best Mamgu Ever' is my fave on the album followed closely by 'Holding The Moth'

My feeling exactly!!! This song is beautiful and VERY Underworld - and probably the one song that kept me from writing the whole album off as Underworld - "Obituary With Beats"!!!!!

IMO, the only apparent filler on OWB (and I know that Rick and Karl don`t need/use filler in the traditional sense of the word, as they have so much material) is "Boy, Boy, Boy". As I said in a previous post, It sounds like a song by Charles Manson.


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