Justice
 

hype Hype Hype HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE

Re: Justice - †
 

Yes.

Wasn"t too conviced by the Water of Nazareth EP at first, but since I'm more into it. The title track is bouncing as hell.

Totally hate "We are Your friend" and still hate it.

I've just heard 2 more tracks than the new official single "D.A.N.C.E.": DVNO & Stress. I begin to wait for the album...

Re: Justice - †
 

it's really that good?

I dunno - but I was really let down by "Phantom". It basically just sounded like a rip-off of a track off of Daft Punk's "Human After All"... but maybe even slower than anything on that album

it's funny... everyone loves Justice, but hated that DP album...

Re: Justice - †
 

:confused:

that's because they're absolutely nothing alike.

phantom beats the living hell out of anything on human after all, and i'm one of the few that *likes* that album a lot. the resemblance to each other is only passing.

????

Re: Justice - †
 

really? To me... they sound very much alike

Although - I will say that I enjoy a lot of Justice's releases...

I just think that sometimes - there's a bit too much hype

Re: Justice - †
 

It's alright. Starts off strong with some proto-Daft Punk before running of gas most of the way. "D.A.N.C.E." and a track later on the record I'm forgetting the name of sound like house versions of the Go Team which are neat syrupy things but they don't have enough for a full rekkid here.
Very true but then again so do most things. :)

Re: Justice - †
 

damn, i'm getting more than a few reactions like this wherever i go. theres a lot who are on board, but i think i'm the only one this excited about it.

i dunno, i'm hopelessly in love and i was sorta *expecting* for it to not live up, but it really is that goal finally acheived in my head of how to do noisy dirty electro absolutely perfectly. not one track on here is a dud for me.

it's just one of those albums that seems like it was custom made for me and wht i think music should sound like, and that hasnt happened since 2003's 'like hearts swelling' by polmo polpo.

Re: Justice - †
 

New Jack & Stress are my highlights for the moment. But I need to listen to the album on CD quality to make a real idea of their work.

Re: Justice - †
 

the most disappointing thing about "phantom" is that i'm always waiting for it to kick into the gear that goblin's original from tenebre did...

tenebre's theme was fucking ace, and even phantom starts out like a promising mix. too bad it just gets nowhere. talk about a waste

ps. anyone wanting to hear more ed banger should check out "ed banger rec vol 1" and "vol 2".

Re: Justice - †
 

I think Justice is basically an edgier version of what Daft Punk does in their live shows.

They fall into that new genre of punk-electronic music, whatever it's called (with MSTRKRFT and a few others I've forgotten about for the time being).

Re: Justice - †
 

It's like Daft Punk and Out Hud had a child while fucking to LFO, Kraftwerk, and M.I.A.

I like it!

Re: Justice - †
 

this is not at all what i look for in noisy dirty electro*. but anyway, it's kind of samey isn't it? and a bit too glossy for my taste, although i guess that fits with the neon sunglasses aesthetic. i'll keep listening though.




*something closer to the UR mix "Vibrations".

Re: Justice - †
 

i've been listening to this a lot more. i think i understand some of the appeal -- the melody (of all things) is pretty compelling, and all the cut-up noise verges on abstract AND rude. the chunky song structures lend it a somewhat epic feel. but, i feel like the distorto-midrange antics also cover up for some really boring rhythms. and it just comes across as kind of pigheadedly obnoxious. i feel like a much more interesting rhythmic backbone underneath the cut-up sounds would make this a better record ... almost as epochal as Justice seem to think they are -___-

i find it almost impossible to listen to on headphones. it does well w/ my laptop speakers....

Re: Justice - †
 

pigheaded is a good word for it. so is chunky. or even clunky. i think i meant more of that than dirty.
album is complete abuse on headphones. almost as much as year zero.

which of course plays a part in me liking it so much. still my favorite of this year.

Re: Justice - †
 

I really don't like this album one bit, and might even grow to hate it. How much of my ire is based on issues peripheral to the actual music on this thing? At least a little bit, but I don't like it. These days anything with a lot of mid-range distorto-blare is a big no-no to me.

Re: Justice - †
 

why do we still care what indie kids are into? i might remind you that indie kids also like minimal house.

EDIT: i was responding to a deleted BLD post, not Tyler

Re: Justice - †
 

am I the only one who could give two shits about the indie kids?

I mean - if there's a track that I dig, I listen to it

and yea - the Justice album does have some flaws, but it's still pretty damn good, especially for a first album

...SIGNIFICANTLY better than Simian Mobile Disco's 'album' which clocks in at roughly 30min

Re: Justice - †
 

Imo opinion any music worth listening to should be made with drunk idiots in mind! But usually indie kids is not what I associate with drunk idiots really.

Re: Justice - †
 

indie kids are going to drink until they're stupid just because you said that.

Re: Justice - †
 

if you can't say anything nice...

Re: Justice - †
 

A lot of them are already stupid but they are trying to hard to be cool as to associate them with a proud drunk idiot that just wants to have a good time listening to music or w/e ;)

Re: Justice - †
 

you know what I absolutely love? the field's from here we go to sublime.

(just thought I'd say something positive)

Re: Justice - †
 

Nothing here was even that mean by your standards really...everyone bashes indie kids.

Re: Justice - †
 

Can you guys explain something to me? I mean this sincerely, I'm not trying to be facetious or anything.

It seems to me that people hate indie scenesters because they're, well, scenestery. Right? And snobbish. And we don't like people who are scenestery and snobbish.

But isn't ranting about people who like minimal house and the similarities of what they like to big beat kind of scenstery and snobbish? I mean, really, isn't snorting about big beat being dance music for jocks and stuff exactly embody what we dislike about indie kids.

Or am I missing whyfor the indie kid hating?

or is it really about the pants?

Re: Justice - †
 

What specifics fall into the category of "indie kids"?

Photos? When I searched - pictures from Ronnie James Dio(met him, twice!) to Dawson's Creek characters.

Does not every underage drinker drink 'til they're stupid? I would only hope they do this in groups and look out for one another.

Re: Justice - †
 

thank you!! i was totally about to write something about this (not as well as you did). at least indie kids don't bitch and moan when other kids like an indie band. can we get any more high school?

the drainpipe jeans do need to go however.

Re: Justice - †
 

I am just taking the piss really. I don't give a shit. I just get a kick out of bashing anything that is currently hip or cool. That being said though, except for a coupple of exceptions (LCD Soundsystem and Out Hud come to mind) I really don't like the like the whole dance-punk thing and it made lose a lot of interest on the indie rock scene overall. I haven't liked that trend ever since The Rapture and I have steered clear of Justice just by what I read about them I associate them with that stuff. I definetely like the 90s indie rock better. Oh well.

Re: Justice - †
 

there's nothing cooler nowadays than bashing the cool kids. all of music for the past 5 years has been this game about second-guessing who's into what and why. everyone's hyper-aware of scenes and the loaded meanings behind liking anything, it's not possible anymore to like something "just because." everyone's paranoid about being or not being a hipster. you know what they say, the real hipsters will never admit to being one, but really, that's prety much everyone who's in touch with anything. bashing indie kids is just another way we all try to out-cool each other.

Re: Justice - †
 

Nah, it is mostly me being lazy at work and trolling for no good reason. :D

Re: Justice - †
 

shut up Green Pea, you're the biggest hipster i've ever met in my life !

Re: Justice - †
 

I have to admit, I discover most music these days through internet blogs/forums.:cool:

Re: Justice - †
 

i think i'm starting to come around to it actually...

Re: Justice - †
 

greenpea: i agree w/r/t LCD + Out Hud being the bright lights in the dance-punk thing.


adam: you're exactly right. i am a music snob. i love music. eat, breath, sleep etc. as many others on this message board can identify. i do not belong to any group or scene. i don't identify with any subculture; not the techno heads, not indie kids, not soul boys or dnb/dubstep junkies. my problem with "indie kids" is the superficial package that the whole scene is wrapped up in. the outfits are the same, the haircuts are the same, the musical tastes are nearly identical. in my opinion, Justice, Simian, Sebastian, Digitalism etc. are decent bands. there isn't a whole lot of difference in them and they really haven't earned the type of hype they've been getting. i believe there is a direct correlation to rowdy, drunk + coked up males 18-25 who like to jump around in clubs/bars to this with their friends because it's simple, loud and superficial. just like them! just kidding. i believe all of these bands are getting more exposure and credit than they deserve and i believe it's the herd mentality of "scenes" like the indie kids here in seattle (and similar groups in other cites) who enjoy hearing this in a bar or club when they're getting crazy with their buds. i don't believe the issue is that indie kids are snobbish and i'm not sure i ever said they were snobs. just conforming, comically dressed idiots. i'm snobbish because i've spent the past 20+ years obsessed with music and spending loads of time, energy and money feeding that obsession. when others blindly follow or are lazy with their musical interests i get defensive and slightly offended. i am sad. i've accepted that. however, it's fucked up when music that doesn't deserve the hype and will not last beyond a year or two more takes away the spotlight from more deserving artists.

strangelet: yes, The Field LP is great.

duckie: i kind of agree with you in post 28. it is possible to like things just because. however, the herd mentality that exists amongst the very real population of quintessential hipsters in seattle is offensive. am i better than them? no. but i don't pretend to be. they have a definite air of "i'm cooler than you", however. so yeah, i agree with what's behind your statement but i don't think it applies to my contempt for this subculture in seattle.

Re: Justice - †
 

i don't see why there is a need to feel threatened by "conformists" blindly following trends. they aren't going to undo your 20+ years of work. look, i spend all my time on a pretentious university campus / brooklyn / lower east side, nyc so i know what you mean. but every music scene has this preoccupation with who's in & who's out. it's just that the indie kids are the most populous & visible.

even if you somehow exist outside of any & all scenes, what does it mean to be deciding what music is and is not worthy of attention, and then to use your conclusions to explain why people like what they like? the omnivorous music snob is basically a one-man scene. you're not doing anything different from scenesters trying to be cool just by calling out everybody for trying to be cool.

the only obvious reason anyone likes anything popular is because of marketing and press, and bands get marketed for happening to have certain qualities. you don't have to be a lazy blind follower to be subject to marketing. Justice hired a guy at Sonar to go everywhere holding a giant styrofoam cross. didn't you start a thread on the creative marketing behind Bjork's new album? i could bitch everyone out for blindly following Bjork's hype machine around and drawing attention away from singers that better deserve the hype. it's not going to change the fact that more people have heard of her, and thus will listen to her instead of someone else.

total apathy towards scenesters is the way to go, it's the closest one can get to being free of scene.

Re: Justice - †
 

this is your best recommendation yet. thank you.

Re: Justice - †
 

wait...

we're all indie kids

it's just that we hate "scenesters" who only like certain stuff b/c it's 'new' or is on a certain 'hot' label... like how Kompakt got cool for a while, or Outpost, or Ed Banger, or Ninja Tune... Mo Wax...

I mean - where people would buy shit just b/c it was released by a certain 'cool' label despite the actual quality of the product

...which is probably why everyone stopped caring about Outpost

...and people who I see at the local "iPod Nite" who basically just play whatever Pitchfork tells them is cool

Re: Justice - †
 

sorry for the double - post but...

with the SMD album, when I first got it - I was SUPER psyched.

then I was like "hey... 4 out of 10 tracks have been out... for a while"

which followed with "eh, so what - it's really only 3 old songs, I mean... 'It's the Beat' is basically the lead-off single, so that shouldn't count as an 'old' song"

then: "wait a sec... 'Hustler' is supposed to be like - twice as long... and 'I Believe' has even been edited" [edit] and btw - even "Tits & Acid" was shortened by like 10seconds... for ...no... ...apparent... ...reason...

which is when I noticed how short - overall - the album was only like 30-35 minutes long, and they actually released a second 'limited edition' version with a bonus disc

I'm just glad I didn't waste more money to purchase the limited edition x2cd version... as two of the 6 bonus tracks have already been released under different names... and the bonus disc is still longer than the proper album

so it's one of those situations where, when you stop and think about it... it's kind of a rip-off. I just CAN'T enjoy the album as much knowing that:

A) a significant portion of the tracks are old
B) the "album" is just barely longer than a cd single
C) despite the ample space on the disc... they still managed to not include some songs that have been recorded - which should've been included, at least to pad out the album (like: "The Count" "Clik" "Pulse" "Sick" hell - even the "bonus tracks" should've been on the album)

I just basically find it almost insulting when a band makes an album so short... the only time when it's more acceptable, is in the case where the album was released before the invention the the compact disc, or if it's like a punk band who's songs last ~2min

and I mean ... COME ON

it's the beat 3:22 -> off the album
Its The Beat (Radio edit) 3:25
Its The Beat (Album Version) 6:31
Its The Beat (Dub mix) 6:32
It's The Beat (Dub for Annie Mac) 6:36 -> same as "Dub Mix"

then there's the "It's the Eat" version which is only on the 7"
(haven't had a chance to rip the vinyl yet...)

[edit]
...I will say..
at least they're not still milking "Never Be Alone"
or - to all you scenesters -> "We Are Your Friends" :P

Re: Justice - †
 

I've never been one to pay much attention to the "crowd" at a show, gig, wherever.

I'm there to watch the show.

The meat markets are a bit of different ideology I guess. Rule of thumb has always been to avoid establishing any meaningful relationships from the club world though.

Re: Justice - †
 

I seriously would find how many times you've referenced, "how many years bleah bleah bleah" on these boards if I weren't so lazy, and gather them into one thread, because I think it would be funny to see all together.

I think you're just bitter that the indie kids don't look to grampa bld for guidance.

Just taking the piss.

Re: Justice - †
 

No album should be under 30 minutes? No, there are a lot I can think of that certainly SHOULDN'T be longer than 30 minutes. To bring up an example from this thread Human After All shouldn't have been longer than that. I just don't think you should have to pay $15+ for only that much music (unless it's really great).

The Justice album is pretty good, I would love to hear these tracks in a club. I don't quite understand the whole "album of the decade" mentality. It's fun and has a few pretty solid tracks but it's not quite Discovery, you know? Which is an album I have some problems with besides.

This thread does bring up a good point...is it ever okay to hate the music because of the fans? To be honest, there are a few bands that I won't listen to because of the fans (TOOL), and a few I don't really like admitting to (Nine Inch Nails) because the fans are really obnoxious. It was kind of a hard realization...a few years ago I got into King Crimson, Yes, and Genesis hardcore, basically hoping that someday I'd meet someone who likes those bands and it was pretty disappointing...have you ever actually MET someone who's big into Genesis? I think caring about what the fans are like really destroys the point of the music. So what if a guy who bugs you is their biggest fan?