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my good metalhead friend lent me a handful of music and i've been digging: Sepultura, Slayer, Morbid Angel, Cradle of Filth, Dissection, and the first Metallica album. a lot of thrash but i was especially intrigued by Cradle of Filth and Dissection, black over thrash. have a long long list to peruse, but does anyone have any black metal recs? don't say Tool.

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Oh man, Dissection are great! Not too fond of Cradle of Filth they are kind of heavy metal + goth rock mix with way too many keyboards :P I'll make you a list, mind you I have not heard everything. For now check Watain!!

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Anyways I was playing WoW when I read this as you know Black Metal is my new obsession, I am buying records like crazy but I am pretty new to this stuff myself.

--Black Metal Bands
Darkthrone - Transylvanian Hunger
Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
Gorgoroth - Ad Majorem Sathanas Gloriam
Marduk
Watain - Rabid Death's Curse and Casus Luciferi
1349
Satyricon
Deathspell Omega - Kenose and Si Monumentum Requires Circumspice
Emperor (too many keyboards for my taste, i have to listen to the old stuff)
Burzum - The first 4 records
Xasthur - any
Leviathan - any
Striborg - any

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yeah, that friend of mine adores Mayhem and Marduk and Emperor. i listened to an old scratchy Gorgoroth demo of his and it was deliciously (if scarily) evil. thanks man!

a lot of the black stuff i heard was on this sweet compilation Nordic Metal--track it down!

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Also check Immortal, they are like the 'KISS' of black metal. Completely riddiculous but fun as hell to listen to :)

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Blind Guardian.

Best fucking metal band alive

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You know this album is a classic supposedly. I have to track it down, it is out of print though :(

Your friend has awesome taste :D

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Im not sure if this is metal or not coz i cant classify it as easy i can with electronic stuff but check these out becuase they rock.

Cutting Pink With Knives - Oh Wow
The Locust - Plague Soundscapes

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Pig Destroyer - the most awesomely absurd name I've ever heard. Still not heard them but my friend who unleashed this t-shirt on us one crazy morning at my house swears by them.

ps,
The t-shirt is awesome, imagine being wasted with friends and seeing your mate take of his top and be wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with Pig Destroyer with this angry wee white face :D

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i'll rip it for you. i think it's a bootleg to begin with anyway.

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Nah, it is not a bootleg. I found it in Amazon (being resold for $30 or so). It was a tribute album made for Euronymus of Mayhem. Don't bother about ripping it off I can always get it from soulseek but I would like to get an original copy eventually.

P.S. I am talking out of my ass, they have new copies in Amazon but they are $25 cause it is an import. Ill get it anyways.

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According to a metal loving friend (I personally can't stand it except for Tool) Mastodon is good.

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Your friend is right. Mastodon is amazing. Although they are getting way too proggy in the last album. Hopefully they won't go to shit as Tool did. I cannot really listen to anything that Tool have done since Undertow without being bored to tears. One of the most souless bands in existence IMO.

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Erick have you heard the Xasthur album Subliminal Genocide? somebody said it was like shoegazer black metal (:rolleyes: but kinda :D)

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Dragonforce!

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[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]Saw both Mastodon and Tool last november, Mastodon wasn't all that good (they were the support act for Tool).
I admit the venue has horrible aucoustics (Ahoy, Rotterdam) but i kept thinking WTF??? Waist of time and money, Mastodon ;)
Tool, well, one of my 2 fav bands :D (sound was instantly way better when the Tool sound technician got at the soundboard, still barely listenable at the back. Every one moved forward and downward to get at least a bit better sound).
I've seen quite a few Toolgigs on vid this past year, i think they are unique. Maybe not as hard as a metal metal lover would like though.


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Haha. Actually I think shoegazer black metal describes Xasthur very well. I have all Xasthur full lenghts, my favorites are either Nocturnal Poisoning or To Violate the Oblivious. I really really recomend Nocturnal Poisoning, it is a bit more raw than the rest as it his first but I think it his more solid effort so far. Supposedly he is using harps and all sorts of new instruments in his new record, I can't wait for the results as he has started to repeat himself.

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YUCK! Listen to some Iron Maiden please. :D

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I've heard this from several people that catched them in the Tool show, I don't know maybe it is because I've noticed openers seem to be outshined by the main act no matter who they are. I really recommend the album Leviathan, it is fucking mind blowing. I recently catched Mastodon on their own tour at a small venue, despise the fact that it was packed as hell and I could not get in into the main area until the very end (and therefore I could no hear the guitars sounds at all) they were amazing. In the last 2 song when finally it seems they pumped up the guitar sound and I was inside the actual concert venue they totally blew me away, incredible musicians, I can't believe people like Tool over Mastodon, I really can't....

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[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]nah, for me it had nothing to do with support act-blown away-by etc, it just sounded horrible, i was openminded, looking forward to hear them, as they were new to me. I'll give Leviathan a try :)
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i actually cant stand black metal.. pretty much hate it.
anyone like hardcore/metalcore type stuff?

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I like some really old school hardcore namely Minor Threat, Black Flag(?). Suicidal Tendencies (is this hardcore...?) but honestly I haven't heard much of the classic NYHC stuff, I need to listen to some Agnostic Front or w/e. Hmmm...actually I like Sick of It All too. As for metalcore I also know little about (except that it has a really bad rep :P) but I've been diggin the last Converge record.

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niiiiiiiiiice.
Terror, Madball are both good. i dont mind Minor Threat.
Terror, Hatebreed,Converge,SOIA,Comeback Kid are touring soon. soo keen for Terror [supporting Hatebreed]. havnt listened to new Converge and havnt really heard any SOIA, but CBK are supporting so i might go. Misery Signals were here not long ago, but missed them :(
pretty much all my fav. Hardcore bands are OZ based.

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I don't know if this is what you were talking about, I just found this article today by reading Simon Reynolds blog.

http://codepoetics.com/poetix/?p=355

Doomgazer....:eek: I hope that term does not catch on. I am worried that Xasthur's acceptance by the mainstream may lead the dude to commit suicide.

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i hadn't read that article - doomgazer is a horrible word - but i do love the Xasthur tracks you put in your mixtape. i am really interested in doomier stuff though - anything you'd recommend? have you heard any of these:

khanate - khanate
sleep - dopesmoker
sunno))) - black one
earth - earth 2
grief - torso
corrupted - llenandose de gusanos
burning witch - crippled lucifer
electric wizard, saint vitus, etc etc.

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I've heard all those bands (although not necessarily those albums), except for Grief that I haven't listened to at all.

Khanate - This band is the most abstract, minimalist, angular and avant-garde of the lot. It also has an INSANE vocalist that rambles very abstract lyrics. The self titled album is a great place to start.
Sleep - Dopesmoker/Jerusalem. This is on my list of stuff to get. There is a Sleep track on the Gummo soundtrack that is great though, and that is the Sleep I've heard.
Sunn 0))) - Black One. Sunn is THE drone doom band. I love this album because is actually a huge progression for the band, instead of the constant monolithic subsonic drone we have a lot of noise/black metal added to the mix. Someone said this was the logical conclusion to everything metal, the evil and darkness with all the structured/musical elements of metal (melody, catchy riffs, beats) removed so it is 100% darkness.
Earth - Earth 2. The originators of drone doom. I would say this album is the most basic and minimal drone doom, without any sort of fanciness in the form of vocals, drums, FX. Early Sunn sounds like this album.
Incidentally I really like the new Earth material too although it is very different to Earth 2.
Corrupted - I haven't heard as much as I like, their releases are hard to get. They are basically heavy as fuck and crazy as only the japanese can be. The most unexpected thing the first time I've heard them is that they have this long instrumental/melodic post-rock like sections on their songs which are actually incredibly beautiful. This is the soft-loud technique taken to a new extreme.
Burning Witch - Basically the band prior to Sunn, same key members. I havent actually heard it as their CD is out of print and it goes for insane prizes at eBay.

In the mixtape I also included Thorr's Hammer which is another SOMA/Anderson band with a 17 year old girl doing the vocals. I like that band a lot too, also I recommend Boris - Amplifier Worship, this album is actually heavy as fuck and nothing like what Boris is doing now. The 4 last songs in that mix are doom bands.
There is also EyeHateGod which is on list of stuff to buy. The little bit I've heard is good.

Saint Vitus, The Obsessed, Pentagram, Candlemass, Cathedral are a very different style of doom which is very retro and they basically sound like early Black Sabbath...I don't like Pentagram, Candlemass, Cathedral that much mainly because of the vocals that tend to be in the high pitched style but sometimes I am in the mood for it. Saint Vitus I have't heard (shame), The Obsessed I have heard and to my surprise I like them even though they are very retro, Saint Vitus is probably similar as it has the same vocalist.

You are missing Funeral Doom which is basically slowed down Death Metal. I haven't listened to that many bands in this genre but some that come to mind: disemBOWELMENT (kind of primitive and the blueprint for many other bands), Asunder (it has a member of Weakling, and for some reason I find a lot of Weakling elements on this band), Skepticism, Thergothon, Nortt.

Also although not really doom, The Melvins are an inspiration of a lot of doom bands, mainly on the heaviness department.

Enjoy!

P.S. Also check Unearthly Trance - The Trident

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Hey erick..

i tried to find you online but you werent on..

sorry for bringing this up right now, but you left your winger t-shirt at jessica's. you better get it before that cow starts to wear it and stretch out the arm cuffs.

your friend,
eddy

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>.< Are you sure it was not my Stryper one?

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thanks so much for the breakdown Erick. picked up the SunnO))) today and love it!!

my metalhead friend is old-school and recommends: Anathema, My Dying Bride, Paradise Lost.

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A little pricey, but here are some...

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I got this a while ago from eBay for cheap! :D Thanks for letting me know though.

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These bands are more gothic sounding, keyboard heavy, simphonic like...usually they are not my cup of tea. I tend to like metal that sound gritty and dirty. :cool:

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I was reading a very nice blog today that covers Black Metal (and dubstep!) among other stuff. Definetely made from an outsider's perspective rather than a militant black metal fan.
http://surrealdocuments.blogspot.com

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that's a good blog. thanks for the linkage.

there's a lot being written about the similarities between metal and dubstep ... a lot of the connections & comparisons seem tenuous to me. they're both genres that take themselves very seriously, and they're dark and moody, and they both suit the present day. the whole discourse being perpetrated on the blogosphere is pretty annoying b/c it seems so damn trendy. whatever.

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It is very trendy, from reading Simon Reynold's blog it seems he started that whole thing. Besides the "dark" aesthetics (and some very tenious connections that some dubsteb artists like metal and made some mashup or something, which means nothing really) they are actually quite opposite subcultures.

Honestly I jumped the gun when I said that this blog covers dubstep anyways, as I've only seen an entry about it, the rest of the blog is a very well informed commentary on darkness, art and philosophy with metal being part of it. Excellent read, essential for anyone interested philosophical inspiration behind the music.

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what do you mean by 'opposite subcultures' ?
i'm really curious. i wish i could have a discussion about dubstep vs. metal with my metalhead friend, but he only really cares to talk about metal -_-

they both seem to be fiercely loyal scenes, and euphorically physical in a live context.

as far as dubstep metal 'mashups', are you talking about the Vex'd/Distance set? Vex'd really are into metal, particularly grindcore, and Distance's stuff is arguably more metal than the stuff that inspired him (Korn et al). not to mention The Bug, who's always drawn from metal and has just lately been making dubstep.

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Need....download....link.......!!!!

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http://www.sendspace.com/file/etii7w

it's not a mashup per se .. just a mini-DJ set of their tunes + some metal. there is a great Vex'd track ("Nails") chopping up metal sounds though --

> > > Sunn 0))) - "Sin Nanna"
> > John Richards ft Genia- "Suite No 2 for Piano & Electronics (Vex'd > > Remix)"
> > (Khanate - "Release")
> > Dillinger Escape Plan - "Phone Home"
> > Vex'd - "Killing Floor"
> > Distance - "Taipan"
> > Distance - "Ska"
> > (Destructo Swarmbots / Isis - "From sinking, to: Drowing")
> > Distance - "Traffic"
> > Vex'd - "Nails"
> > Napalm Death - "Our Pain Is Their Power"
> > (Celtic Frost - "Human")
> > Godflesh - "Vein"
> > (Sunn 0))) - "Cry For The Weeper")
> > Techno Animal ft Sonic Sum - "DC-10"
> > Isis - "Carry"
> > Cult Of Luna - "Arrival"

also in this great new Vex'd mix:
http://dubstep.com.ua/download/VexdResonanceFM.mp3

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Muahahah, thankee.

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Well, I hope I don't make a fool of myself as I am not that familiar with dubstep per se or with the people that make dubstep. But one obvious difference to me is that dubstep is urban while metal in many cases either seems to be a suburban product in its more mainstream variety or in the case of black metal it is in fact anti-urban and pro-nature. Many of these people come from very small towns or live downright in the middle of the woods.
Another related difference is that it seems to me that dubstep like more urban cultures (this is just my assumption though), promotes group culture, gang activity (not that is promoted but that it is a reality in the scene) and so on. In the other hand metal (at least in a philosophical level, maybe not so much in practice) it lionizes individiualism, it hates mass culture to some extent.
I dunno I am sure I can think of more if you prod me.

Yeah that is what I was talking about. I really want to hear this, but i have no internet at home right now arrrgh. Maybe I'll bring headphones to work.