The time for Dirty Shirts has arrived
 

Well, after another discussion I have decided that it's time to get things formally moving with Dirty Shirts. Although I can do as little as one per run, if you guys wants your shirts silkscreened (being, the process of laying ink instead of a high-quality, non-transparent transfer) I need to qualify how much interest there is before I lay out the options here. Reagrdless of how I make them though, I can tell you that I will be charging around $15 for each shirt (but will discuss why they go up if they do, most likely due to the demands of the job); 50% of the proceeds will be going to the site as soon as I ascertain where the check needs to be sent.

Also, I would highly prefer that some of the artists here volunteer their services for design. In about 2-3 weeks we will hold a vote to see whose art will grace the shirts. If I do silkscreen, the maximum colors allowed in the print are 3 colors, and the colors need to be separated out after if your design is selected. But don't worry, I'll walk you through it. :)

So, phase 1 of this is to gauge interest. I'm looking for a minimum of 12 votes for yes (regardless of which one) and after that we'll get into art selection. So vote now... poll closes next Wednesday. :)

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I voted "yes -- let someone else do the artwork" but I'd be happy to whip up some design concepts if we only get one or two submissions.

Thanks for getting this rolling :)

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I'm very interested, and $15 is a very good price!

I don't really understand the "if you guys wants your shirts silkscreened (being, the process of laying ink instead of a high-quality, non-transparent transfer)" line though, but that's because of the language barrier I guess. Does it mean the quality is just... good?

I think I can do international payments via my bank too, so that won't be a problem.
Sorry, but I can't help you with artwork.

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silk screening actually dies the fabrics and thus can't be worn off. the high quality, non transparent transfer sounds like the plasticy ones that kinda go on shirts that eventually flake off after a while from washing, bar brawls, sex, etc...

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*Strokes his dirtyshirt*

Yeah why not, though i think Scott should have some major imput in to this if ought happens, it is his site and original concept after all!

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I agree with Holden here so it was good to see you make the statement below which basically says you'll donate half of each sale to the dirty site? Admirable.
We all know that no-one wants to step on anyone's toes but we also know that people won't wait forever. An official blessing would be and should be sought. Scott's intellectual property? That maybe true. However, if some of the proceeds are coming back to the site it shouldnt be a problem (but thats not for me to say). I for one would also like to see an official dirty shirt and will get one whenever they finally are announced.

I'm just a moderator, I'm not the owner.

So, at the very least I hope this can rustle up some creative designs.

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At about this point, I'm with you Stimpee. I smell a shitstorm on the horizon for me and although it doesn't really bother me, I personally give the odds of the 22 people so far that have expressed interest in a shirt a 1 in 3 chance of actually having it for the spring. That's all I'm at liberty to say.

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Hey, the 2 that expressed interest in doing art... PM me when you get the chance. Thanks!

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Actually, you're thinking of sublimination. Silk screen is the art of using a plastisol-based ink, spreading it onto a shirt with the aid of a screen that has your image's composite burnt onto it, and then curing the ink at 840 degrees in an oven. It has a similar longetivity rate as sublimination, although both are subjected to damage when subjected to extremely high temperatures (325 degrees fahrenheit or higher). But yeah, those two processes are the most durable, embroidery coming in at a distant second.

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I'd totally contribute artwork, I can do a lot of graphical design.

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my uncle has a flag factory. guess i know less of the tech than i thought. he also (i'm pretty sure) pioneered digitally printing onto fabrics so he was able to make full color flags and cost efficient 1 or two off flags without making screens... would be hard to do with t's just cuase of the shape and pre-color, but seems to work well for his business...


anyhow. i'm in, can't do art though

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One more taker and the shirts fall into the 24-37 piece price range, a cheap price range which means Scott gets more money per shirt! Come on you stingy ingrates!! :)

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[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]yes, i want a dirty shirt, but i'm not sure i want to commit myself to buying it off you at this moment in time, because i have the feeling you're pushing it too hard...
I want a Dirty shirt that comes from the community, dirty.org is Scott's thing, and i feel he should be involved in this.
If that means i have to wait another year, well, so be it :) , i've been member of dirty for 7 and a half years and i survived without the shirt ;)
It would be lovely if we could all wear the same shirt at the next meetings/gigs, but if it's not with a dirty shirt, we'll make our own again. I loved Stimpee's shirt, it looked very professional.
So... since there's no options in your poll to choose to wait and see what Scott says about this, i won't vote.
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That's fine... I'm actually stepping away from this thing until clarification comes down the pipe. I gathered the wrong idea from a prior conversation, that being that it's ok to make Dirty shirts and the like... it was my intention, by stealing the reins, to provide a product that A.) didn't look like junk (like most home made jobs do) and B.) catered to what I thought were the desires of you all, of which some of you have also stolen the reins and made your own Dirty shirts, without recognition or reimbursement to Scott. And point B, having watched how much Scott's toiled over this site for the past 10 years, irks me.

It was only my sole intention to make a product that held the place in a good light, and allowed you guys to spend your money in a channel that led directly back to Scott and co. Had I have wanted to profiteer off this thing, I would've never outlined what percentage Scott was going to get off the sales, or that he would make a profit anyways. But Lou's right, that after realizing that I've moved errantly, to make any further movement would just be plain malicious. And before I get banned off of the site, I'd just like to say that it's great that a whole bunch of you are interested. But it's apparent that there is nothing good that I can do except do nothing or jump when told to jump, and I'm not going to stick mine or my company's neck out until Scott either gives me the work or tells me to fuck off and that he's got it covered.

My apologies... :) For those that were interested in designing something draw it up -- who knows if you'll make the coolest design available and it won't be eventually used at Scott's discretion otherwise.

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Edited:

My original post was a rant. (I am always grumpy first thing in the moring 'til I've had at least two pints of tea.) This is more like "ah, whatever". People should do what they want to do. You have plenty of people willing to buy, but Lou is right: unless this is officially stamped it really is no different to making your own, frankly. As I said in another thread, I know you have a crust to earn, but so do we all. Keeping Dirty money within Dirty is all well and good if it is a Dirty-driven enterprise, and that is something you need to iron out with Scott.

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Scott! Where are you!? :) Let's get this thing sorted out now once and for all. These threads seem to pop up twice a year, with a lot of people expressing interest in a: owning an official shirt and b: supporting the site with their purchase, and at the same time people offering their professional services to make it happen. I don't see the problem, but if there is one, it would be nice to have some official announcement as to why it's not happening.

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Im willing to pay $15 per t shirt, gladly

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1. I'm not on a timeline (obviously)
2. I'm really busy
3. I'm not in need of money to fund this site

Look, some of you in this thread have a penchant for the dramatic when really all I did was send a message to Paul and said "Nobody asked me about this." I think that's reasonable given the fact that it's my site.

If you guys want to make some shirts, make some shirts! All I ask is that if you're going to represent this as if it's an official shirt of our organization that you simply keep me in the loop. I have a PM box.

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Yes $15 is fair price. Count me in.

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Ok, well I supposed that's all settled now...

So where were we? :)

Oh yeah -- art. Mail it to producer9k2k5@yahoo.com, and CC it to scott@dirty.org. Thanks!

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Ooops - that's no longer my email address. ;)

Just send me a PM.

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thanks for the announcement ;)
Wasn't trying to suggest you had loads of spare time on your hands obviously. Just that it shouldn't actually take very much of your time just giving the official "green light", so to say, for other people (futureproof) to execute the practicalities of this plan :)

As has been mentioned, it's pretty easy to make your own shirts, but people here (including me) seem to rather want something sort of official, and even if you don't actually need the money, people might actually still want to express their gratitude for your efforts concerning the forum and dirty in general in a monetary way by buying official merchandise, so "i don't need the money" isn't really a good reason for it not to go trough, since it's obviously not about the money, but about the gesture.

As for "nobody asked me about this". Well, people have been asking for the return of Dirtyshirts on the forum for a long time. There was quite a big thread about it some time ago if i remember correctly, where something seemed to be happening, then didn't. I can't recall if you yourself participated in that thread or not though.

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well sounds like scott is okay with the idea as long as the art and design is nice and tasteful. if he doesn't want the money we can send it somewhere good for the world, or lower the price or whatever?

anyhow. let's see some art peeps (haha, so demanding!)

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Yeah, didn't want to make it sound as though I didn't appreciate the gesture because I certainly do. There wouldn't be forums here if I didn't. :)

I think Patrick's idea is a fine one. Donate the proceeds to a charity or non-profit org; there's a poll topic waiting to happen for you.

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argh, not more polls! :p

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i think we need a poll to see if we should have any more polls or not...

ha ha! :D

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I'd certainly like to see all the art submitted.

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This is more like it. :D

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Yup -- well I certainly feel better anyways, lol...

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I say we do them similar to the old designs.

Any takers on that idea?

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i think we need to vote on the designs or even have a couple available to buy instead of just one...

anyway i'm with stimpee, i'd like to see them all, and think Scott should be kept in the loop about what is representing the 'dirty' name in the public domain - afterall its showcasing the site in the end


i'm dirty ;)

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Yannick created a number of designs we intended to turn into shirts one day. Ultimately those would be what I would *like* to see become shirts, although some of the design was certainly for a previous iteration of the site.

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OK, Here's how this is gonna work.

Either this gets made into a shirt, and you all buy it, or I quit dirty forever.

Of course, we'd have to jack the price up like 6000% to cover the cost of all the awesome needed for such a task, but I think you'll all agree the finished product will be worth it.

Pretty sure HAL9000 is taking pre-orders.

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yeah, i'd pretty much ordered that design even before you'd made this post.

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bring back the brown.
i'd be willing to pay top dollar for one...hell, i'll even pay top dollar for a used one.
HINT HINT ! !

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i'm definately using "this shirt kicks bumz" line for it...

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it would be nice to have yannick designed shirt, since he did the site as well, and his stuff is kickass :)
Then again, if we have to wait for yannick, we might as wel wait till hell freezes over ;)

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now here's a man who knows what he's talking about. i should bring back my old sig.

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If you want that, I can make that into a high-quality transfer for you. :D

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Well, I've seen pretty much all I need to see to justify going into this.

My car was hit about 2 mo. ago and I should be receiving a check for the damages any day now; as soon as that arrives I can start production, since I'd like to put my personal money up front on the job and then collect from you guys as they're shipped out.

What would be the easiest method of payment, Paypal? Or can the foreigners here convert their cash into U.S. currency?

I'm also going to try to have a web page up and ready for hosting possible art by the end of the weekend, be forewarned though that my web design skills are horrible, lol... but hey, as long as it's effective. :)