Barking - The Alternative Versions (AKA CD2)
 

as much as i am looking forward to getting hold of this second selection of Underworld tracks, i'm also fearing a backlash by hardened fans saying this should have been the album - rather than what has been 'officially' released as the album

many artists develop a sound and change it for release - just be grateful for this selection and don't judge against 'Barking' - because the 9 tracks that have been released are what the album should be judged on

Barking is what it is, this bonus selection and the extras elsewhere are just that, bonuses that should be enjoyed independently... so enjoy and don't pass further judgements... :)

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and some artists develop some sketches and ship them off for trendy dj/producer types to finish for them.

i like Barking, think it's terrific, but it really lacks the quality and detail of Rick Smith's touch that we've come to expect from an Underworld release. Hopefully that will be more evident in the alternate versions.

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I like Barking, but I'd say it is my least favorite album from them from both MK II UW and MK III UW. I'm really looking forward to the alternate tracks, as I'm expecting I'll like it more than the album proper.

Yes, Barking is the album proper. I won't say that 'CD 2' is what the album should have been, but I will count it as, unofficially, another album from them (and as an 'alternate album' that is based on Barking).

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Totally agree with this.

All I'm thinking about for CD2 is "HIGHER QUALITY VERSION OF ALAF (SILVER BOOTS)" and etc etc. Because frankly, I'm done with being stuck with the 2005 Lemonworld set rip that I cut myself with Windows Movie Maker.

And plus it's a bside type of thing - and I am all for that. ;D

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i approache the extra disc as extras, works in progress, sketches before the ultimate release. Rick and Karl consciously decided to work with outside producers for this album, and the result is none too shabby. In fact, it's pretty great, imho.
Whatever the shape and form of the second disc's tracks, they are not on the final LP for a reason. If i like some versions better than the Barking tracks, fine, and i'm happy to have both. If they sound like unfinished works in progress, that's cool, too, though it won't detract from the final form. With the exception of ALAF, all the tracks on Barking seem more final and accessible than their work in progress forms via live or radio show.

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What he said. Take it for what it is. Im not counting this as the album.

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it's not going to be what it should have been, it's going to be what could have been.
they're unfinished, rough, and Barking is the final product and the official "next step" for them, so it goes. but even if it's going to be a bit sad, i'll probably listen to CD2 a lot more regardless of what the principle is, because i'll likely prefer the tracks from a time before they became a pill to swallow.

i like barking as a finished thing. it's fine, but there's no question that it's a compromise of sentiment on my end.

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[QUOTE=Sappys Curry;144156]I like Barking, but I'd say it is my least favorite album from them from both MK II UW and MK III UW. I'm really looking forward to the alternate tracks, as I'm expecting I'll like it more than the album proper.

i don't think it will be.
i think the cd1 IS the album.
as far as i know the recording of cd1 wasn't a case of "doing some sketches and handing them out",rick and karl worked on the tracks with some of the guys and if they weren't in the studio with them the tracks were handed back and forth until a finished mix was sorted NOT just given to the collabs to finish off.
imo

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I am looking forward to disc 2 more than the original album, simply because I'm not fond of some of the producers, and I still don't like Scribble really. It may well turn out that I love the finished thing too, but Underworld collaborating with [producer I don't care for] isn't as exciting a prospect as Underworld on their own for me.

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I think it is quite simple:
CD1 - for the 'mass market' - making Underworld more accessible to new people
CD2 - for the loyal fans - It's what most of us have been crying out for the new album to contain.

So then everyone should be happy!... errr.. I hope!?!

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well thats exactly what i expect fans to say, but don't really want this to happen

i've certainly not been 'crying out' to have disc 2 as 'the album', i just want disc two to represent 'other' alternative, as you will, versions of the songs.

Its good to have them available and as they do exist its nice to share them with loyal fans, but Underworld wanted Barking to be out there as a piece of music to represent them for 2010 and it is the 9 official tracks as issued - disc 2 is a BONUS. It doesn't matter if producers or not meddled with them - its still a simple 9 track Underworld album.

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We will have our differences in how we regard and think of CD 2 of the box set, but like someone said on page one, I'll probably end up listening to CD 2 a lot more than Barking, too, heh.

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I certainly don't wanna dictate listening preferences, i love some of the non album output, I just feel that it needs to be set straight that Barking is what it is - like it or not - its not what 'could've' been...

i really do like the album as it is, and i might love the alternives CD even better, but its no different to loving a remix of a song.

Barking wouldn't exist without demos and trials, and its great we'll get to see / hear these... and i'm all for that - just don't hate on the album that has been released by comparing it to the second disc... you can hate the album for what it is... because it is what it is.

after all is all about the love of the music being output for our enjoyment....

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I'm definitely looking forward to hearing disc 2, playing Barking in full for the first time was underwhelming (first time ever for an uw release). Particularly disappointed with Bird 1 and don't like Louisiana at all; album standout for me is Hamburg Hotel.

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i love this, you're trying to be diplomatic about corralling a petulant gaggle of whiners into behaving a certain way about an album edition.

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yeah of course - don't tell anyone tho...

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its just like an EP of b-sides. nothing more. not that hard to understand really.

and I may very well say, "ooh I like this version better" the same way I could have said that with Irish Pub Cowgirl, or Cherry Pie with Rowla. All that would mean is that I like X better than Y. All we do in this forum category is talk about Underworld songs, debate which songs should/shouldn't be on the album, etc. Why would we stop now? :)

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It's a bit of a different situation though, these being collaborations and the second disc being Underworld on their own. They aren't just different versions, they vary in who actually made them. For a pure 100% Underworld album, the second disc is a more suitable listen, whatever the band's reasoning behind the collabs.

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Eh? I haven't really whined about the album, as I like it, but it is probably my least favorite album from both MK II and MK III eras. But I will give it more time to grow on me, as I could end up liking it significantly more over time (happened to me with AHDO). And BSS, I'm not hating on the album. There is a little bit of disappointment, though, and I do hope I like this CD 2 better; that'd be good.

I said somewhere else on this forums that this is really cool, with CD 1 and CD 2 of the box set. It is like almost getting two albums at the same time from Underworld. And I've said in different threads that I don't like this album too much, but I have said a few times that I do like this album. Part of my problem is that 3 tracks were not really doing it for me, but recently I'm liking one of them more (Between Stars). I'm still not liking Grace too much, but I still am trying to get into it more, and then Scribble, I like its happy spirit, but that may be ranked last for me for songs on this album.

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I'm looking forward very much to both cd's.

The music I choose to listen to is dependent on my mood at the time, so I'm sure that at different times, and in different moods I'll choose to listen to both different versions.

I just consider myself lucky to be given the option.

Re: New Underworld album - Barking (Sept. 13, Sept 2 Japan)
 

Guess what, guys?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnoAqwvQdbg
They're all awesome!

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based on the samples, i predict a hybrid playlist out of this for my listening preferences. between stars and diamond jigsaw are much better on the album, but strumpet, jumping the cran, and YDS are easily going to push out their finished counterparts.
might see how mixing both hamburg versions would work out, too

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d'oh...the diamond jigsaw doesn't have that cool synth noise...oh well :(

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Based on the YouTube samples:

1. Sounds like a 2008 version of Strumpet
2. Version 1 from 2003, and as debuted at Electraglide
3. Studio version of the live version we all know. Also played on 2008 radio show
4. It'll be very interesting to hear this. I'd also be interested in hearing the full Barking version.
5. Sounds like it's the 2nd radio show version from 2008
6. Sounds like the 2009 studio version they did, as played at the 2009 Bestival DJ set.
7. This is very interesting. It sounds very demo-y and it might even be one of the very first versions of it, and possibly before synths were even added.
8. might be a slightly different version from what we heard in 2008?
9. The same Jumping the Cran version played in 2008 on the radio and at the ArtJam.

It's nice that they've done this for the fans. I think Between Stars will definitely be replacing the album version for me.

I hope they can satisfy a few more fans requests and maybe post online the synthy Diamond Jigsaw and many other versions of ALAF.

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i wonder if YDS is gonna have the lyrics...they were my favorite part

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after hearing this, scribble gets dropped for YDS. it would be cool if someone did a mixture of the two, like an instrumental that leads into the new version. from the samples, i still prefer the album versions of everything else except 'grace', sounds just different. i might like that version better or worse, i have to wait until i hear both versions in full. diamond jigsaw sounds just like a demo, like it's incomplete.


it sounds like the only ones i really might prefer are 'you do scribble' and 'grace'.

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What he said. Because I can already tell that I'm going to like the alternate version of ALAF and many of the other B-Sides.

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I worry for anyone who prefers CD2 to the first.

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Yeah, I was looking forward to that too. I suspect that live bootleg will continue to be my favourite version of Diamond Jigsaw.

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Hi,
Anyway to purchase this separately? ..Looked on ITUNES today and did not see it. I am in the US..already ordered the deluxe DVD/CD :p:p...would be another 85USD to get just CD 2..which after the youtube preview sounds sick. Bird1 sounds fantastic.

Re: Barking - The Alternative Versions (AKA CD2)
 

CD2 is exclusive to the Limited Edition Box Set. You can find links to order it here:

https://www.borndirty.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16960

If you order from Om Records in the US, you can get it for $52 shipped.

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After all my moaning about the collaborations, it turns out I'd probably agree with this actually. I like Grace on both CDs, but the Telematic Peal mix is just more... Underworld. Scribble I love the vocals, but the High Contrast stuff still pisses me off.
Oh, I think I'd probably take Hamburg Hotel Essex too, it's a bit weirder and I like that.

On the whole, the disc does sound a bit like work in progress versions, remixes, demos and such as opposed to finished tracks for a lot of it. I can imagine the versions of ALAF, Bird 1 and such being on EPs if anything. Sooooooooooo yeah. Not the Underworld version of the album some of us were expecting/hoping for, but it's still an enjoyable and interesting disc.

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I was hoping and assuming it'd have a more complete feel to it. But I do like what I heard in that youtube link. I'll enjoy listening to disc 2, but I'm suspecting it'll be inferior to the album.

My problem with Barking isn't the collaborations (although I dislike the synth plop on Bird 1 which I'm sure was totally not added in by Rick or Karl). Everybody has some Underworld songs that they just don't care for. For me, I don't enjoy listening to three of the nine tracks all that much. I don't find much appeal in Between Stars (even when I first heard the live version), Grace, and Scribble, although I like Between Stars and Grace a little more then when I first got the album. The rest of the album is pretty solid for me, but that is three out of nine tracks I'm not really impressed with. Scribble is okay, I guess, but it just sounds so mainstream, which is not what I want from Underworld. Other songs on the album are poppy, but none sound so commercialized like Scribble.

I was thinking about combining tracks from Barking and CD2. I might still do that. I'll have Barking and CD2 on my iPod, and then...a custom track listing, and I think I might just keep all the Barking tracks except Scribble and replace that with YDS.

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Don't forget to add Downpipe!

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Actually, I'm stupid. I, uh, don't have Downpipe yet. I heard part of it and liked what I heard, though. But it is on iTunes. Might as well get it.

I may add Are You Rockstar? to CD2 in my library/on my iPod. It would fit in. Maybe I'll add Toobee, too. :)

Now that I think about it, I should also put Simple Peal on CD2. It would fit in better there than on Barking.

Edit: I went to buy Downpipe...which version do I buy? The Club mix that is over eight minutes long?

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I try, I really do, but I never keep up. What are Are You Rockstar? and Toobee?

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They are from a 2008 broadcast. I really like them. Soft UW music. Ambient and atmospheric and such.

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yes. the instrumental is pointless.

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Here and here:

http://www.underworldlive.com/tracklisting.asp?sn=901
http://www.underworldlive.com/tracklisting.asp?sn=903