Strange anger at Obama for Tuesday speech to schools
 

So I participated in a poll on facebook today that asked in regards to Obama's speech planned for next Tuesday: "Should President Obama be allowed to do a nationwide address to school children without parental consent?" I voted "yes". The speech is about staying in school, working hard, and exercising personal responsibility. Super! (Incidentally, vote here. Amazingly, the "yes" column is losing badly to the "no" column) So once I voted, I added a comment to the thread attached to the poll. I wrote:

"Why in the world shouldn't the President of the United States be able to address schoolchildren about staying in school and working hard? Was there an outcry when Nancy Reagen spoke directly to American youth about her "just say no" policy? I don't remember one. There is definitely a portion of the country that seems to be going insane with blind, irrational vitriol at Obama, and it disgusts me. This isn't a political speech, it's not an indoctrination of anyone...it's not malicious in any way!

As for some of the comments here, I have to say that I'm floored. Here's one quote:

"when i hear about all the dumb shit that obama is doing like birth control and abortion without parental consent, im like 'this is sick!'"

First off, this person is clearly ignorant about things like "facts" and "reality". Secondly, what do either of these issues have to do with a speech about staying in school and getting a good education?

Idiots."

Moments later, I got a private message through facebook from a guy who opposes the speech, and we went back and forth a few times. I thought some of you might appreciate a glimpse into his mind. So here's the exchange:

Richard Austin McGrath September 4 at 11:33am
It's OUR job to teach OUR kids to be good citizens. Now be honest, if Bush did this you would have come unglued. This is not just a five minute "hey kids be good and stay in school" speech, It's upwards of an hour long, this is about image building in our children's young minds. Again just be honest and admit you don't mind because it's in you party's favor, I'd have more respect for you if you did, oh that's right, you don't want my respect! And before you go painting me as a neocon, I'm actually an independent.


Sean Mullen September 4 at 11:43am
I'm a registered independent, so I have no vested interest in the Democrats or Republicans. In fact, I voted for Bush over Gore, and over Kerry. In hindsight I would not have voted that way if I had it to do over again, but there it is. So if Bush was set to give a speech urging "students to take personal responsibility for their own education, to set goals, and to not only stay in school but make the most of it", then I'd be all for it. Incidentally, the quote about the speech's content I just provided was from the same website that will be hosting the text of the speech a full day before it happens so that parents CAN know what to expect, and CAN teach their kids to be good citizens. Here's the link: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/My-Education-My-Future/

The rabid opposition to this speech has absolutely zero justification.


Richard Austin McGrath September 4 at 12:06pm
Maybe he should do this in the evening hours when parents can decide weather or not to have there kids watch, and if they do, address what he says right then? Again this enables him to get at the kids who's parents who would let them play video games all night instead of watching it, and for the purpose of image building, just like when your a kid and dad always cheers for the university of Michigan, when you grow up...you do too!


Sean Mullen September 4 at 12:19pm
Well, we have yet to see the text of the speech, but again, all reports are that the content is specifically geared towards telling "students to take personal responsibility for their own education, to set goals, and to not only stay in school but make the most of it". That's as non-partisan a message as I can imagine, so it leaves those of us who have no problem with it no other choice but to think that this vehement opposition must be based on something other than the speech itself. And based on your reply here, I can see that your concern seems to be built around some kind of indoctrination scenario. You make comments like that this "enables him to get at the kids", which implies a predatory angle to the speech, and you make the analogy about cheering the University of Michigan as if the speech will be trying to recruit future Democrats. What's most striking to me about both these examples is that neither has anything to do with what's actually set to happen. What exactly is wrong with the President of our country encouraging children to exercise personal responsibility, stay in school and get a good education?


Richard Austin McGrath September 4 at 12:24pm
My job.


Sean Mullen September 4 at 4:01pm
I'm sorry, but I don't know what you mean when you just say "my job". You chose to start this conversation, so it would be great if you could at least participate with complete thoughts and sentences. All I know is that you wrote to me with assumptive accusations that I was some liberal thoughtlessly towing the party line, and then immediately followed it up by telling me that it would be wrong for me to try painting you as something you're not. Hypocritical much? Then you listed a bunch of completely unrelated examples about how this speech will somehow undermine parent's ability to properly educate their children - as if any parent out there would be upset by their children hearing the message to stay in school, work hard, and take personal responsibility for their actions. Maybe that's not something you want your children to hear, but I find it to be a positive, constructive message.

If however, by "my job", you mean that it's your job to teach your children about working hard, staying in school and exercising personal responsibility, then let me ask - are you equally undermined by school guidance counsellors when they meet with your children in your absence, and encourage them to keep these same principles in mind? Are you upset when a speaker comes to your children's school in your absence - say perhaps a police officer - to talk to the kids about the importance of being a law abiding citizen? How about any of the other people who interact with your children throughout any given day away from you at school? I would assume you are, because this is really no different. Seems like that kind of anger would end up being all-consuming since it happens all the time.

Here's what I would do with my kids. When the text of the speech is released on Monday, I would read it, probably even with my children. Then I would talk with them about it - talk about what's going to be said, what I feel they need to keep in mind while they listen, and answer any questions they have. On Tuesday evening, after the speech, I'd talk with them again. Answer any new questions they might have. None of that would compromise my ability to fulfill my parental duties. And honestly, I would probably feel most compelled to talk about the obvious sociological ramifications of this unfounded, irrational opposition we're seeing to our President conveying such a universally positive message. Because even the mind of a child would immediately question vitriol that's so illogical in nature, and frankly, I think I would have a hard time explaining it. Me: "Well son, they don't want the President encouraging you to stay in school." My son: "But...shouldn't I stay in school?" Me: "Well yes, of course, but opponents don't want Obama saying that to you." My son: "Why not?" Me: "I have no clue."

Look Richard, I'm not one to go straight to accusing opponents of this speech of things like racism, because that's an incredibly serious charge. But it's hard not to entertain that and other unrelated motives as playing some part here in the absence of any reasonable, logical arguments as to why we should oppose this speech. Feel free to message me if you ever come up with a coherent, realistic reason as to why this speech is such an outrage, but if all you have to offer is more unfounded accusations against me, and conspiracy theories about indoctrination fears, then I'm really not interested.


No idea if he'll reply to that last one or not, but there's what's happened so far.

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Well good showing as always, I don't think he realized what he was getting into. I've said this before but I envy your ability to stay reasonable and at least engage.

Cable news talked about Barney Frank's "outburst" as so sensational. For a statesman to say "Talking to you would be like arguing with a kitchen table" to a constituent?! Scandal!

I'm pretty sure we disagree on this, but I'm convinced America is fucked. I see no productive method of reasoning against the zeitgeist marketed by the handlers of America's kakistocracy. At this point its a foregone conclusion that Brussels, (and probably Brazil!) will be more politically powerful than us in 10 years and that our empire is coming to an end. Which is fine by me. America was never meant to be an empire. What I'm starting to worry about is whether or not any shred of the conceived republic will remain.

But this puts me in a position where I've nothing to offer dialog except raw emotion and the perennial desire to punch people in the face. Which is why I'm quiet and detaching until I can come to grips with the total loss of respect and patriotism for my country, its culture, and a large swath of its population.

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That's not very rico suave now, is it?

Have you bought any new leather items?



You're kinda a bitchy philosophy grad sometimes too. And oh so manly at the same time. I like the first sentence/third paragraph of your post, but it's always been bit fucked. I do absolutely(:D, I'm smart now too) love how the true wacks are coming out of the woodwork at the moment. Makes life fun, no?

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well i see i've still got jr. playing tag along. you don't waste any time do you? Do you have a fucking bat signal to alert you to go down the pole and put on your troll costume? i have no idea what you just said but I have to tell you its not going work. I'm completely numb to being mocked for being sincere by people who are afraid of confronting their own inner dialog. I'm a philosophy grad.

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Well, I don't know what's going to happen, but it feels like something is coming to a head with all this stuff. So many people are so into these outlandish theories, like that not only is Obama hiding his Kenyan citizenship, he was also selected at 18 years old to be groomed as a Puppet President who would impliment a New World Order! And he's creating death panels that will kill your grandmother so that we can provide all of Mexico with insurance instead! And now he wants to commandeer the airwaves and stream his communist agenda directly into our children's spongy minds! Just like Hitler did!

I mean, how can I seriously be open to their completely speculative point of view when I find it to be completely, 100% wrong based on facts? I just don't see where the middle ground is in this situation. Hell, they deal with the debate by bringing guns to townhalls, shouting down the opposition, and even jeering a woman confined to a wheelchair for talking about why healthcare reform would be good for people like her. How do you reason with that? So I have no clue where this country is headed.

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I'm finding this all a tad scary. I don't know whether to put it down to the last throes of madness as the American Empire falls into decline, or whether it is just the continuation of the paranoia that has always haunted the fringes of American society. McCarthy didn't happen in a vacuum; you have to have the right soil there in the first place for the seeds of bonkers-ness to germinate.

There is a very interesting article on the website Democracy Now! where Max Blumenthal talks about his book "Republican Gomorrah: Inside the Movement that Shattered the Party"

The problem with these people is they are clearly nuts, they are angry, they have guns, and they have the likes of Limbaugh lighting the blue touch-paper and stepping back.

I don't know whether to point and laugh, or to advise you all to build a shelter and start stock-piling canned goods and bottled water....:eek:

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scare mongering the population to make them do your bidding is a tried and tested concept. It is what the reublicans/Fox do best and will continue to keep doing until one of those idiots who bring assault rifles to town hall meetings actually pulls the trigger.

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The number of times I read comments below articles and just get floored by the sheer amount of stupidity. And I don't just mean people being in the unfortunate position of being uneducated, or lacking time to get up to speed on the intricacies of healthcare systems or international development. For the most part that ignorance is entirely understandable. No, what I mean is that very unique mix of unforgivable stupidity, combined with selfishness and topped off with spite and occasional thuggishness.

Really, it depresses me nowadays. After all, we're not talking YouTube comments here. Reading comments on mainstream platforms, more and more, genuinely depresses me. I think to myself, are people actually getting dumber? Or has the internet - and the explosion of opinion platforms - merely drawn back the curtain on stupidity that was always lying there, unnoticed?

Sometimes I feel optimistic that the internet is making people more informed, dispersing information, supplying examples of reasoning all of which represents the most wonderful intellectual revolution in centuries, and that slowly, ignorance is being countered. I tell myself that what seems to be the moronic 60% of public opinion is probably only 10% or less, and I'm being fooled into registering those particular neanderthal views more strongly than they warrant, which is throwing my perception of how proportionate they are.

Other times, I think - no, it really is as bad as I fear. And I fear that the internet - and digital communication platforms generally - are increasing the tribal mindset, reducing the amount of open-mindedness so crucial to any kind of intellectual growth. That people have gotten much more ideologically divided since the communications revolution (for want of a better phrase), and not in a healthy way.

One thing I can say is that it's not just the US. Or at least, if the US is going down, then the UK is going down with it. I think what we're all hearing said about Obama is coming from the same 'place' as what I read on British mainstream opinion platforms like the BBC and Sky News and even supposedly liberal blogs. A kind of mean-spirited anti-intellectualism.

In America's case, this is possibly made worse by latent racism, and by a deep culture of machismo that, it strikes me, has long run through US political debate and was always going to pounce on the skinny, cerebral liberal who showed the remotest sign of asking people to think.

What do you think? Is there a 90% silent majority of people who have reasonable views and just choose not to comment? (Btw, 'reasonable' doesn't have to equate to the same political position as yours or mine - it just has to be of a fairly decent quality.)

God I hope so. I hope these dickwads aren't indicative of our populations as a whole.

If they are, where is it all going wrong? And why does there appear to be no reverse gear?

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Oh god this made me laugh so much!!

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John Harwood says it best. Seriously, you'll appreciate this...

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Absolutely, and that's the thing isn't it - many of these are parents with kids. :eek:

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Here's some good turning-tables type stuff, @ about 4 minutes in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqwfAjrgcn4


Although, I prefer Cooper in soft porn mode(volume @ zero, no idea what this is really trying to say):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo4WZ...eature=related

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I think translated she's singing, 'This guy's a narcissistic jerk-off'

Anyway...

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What Politico have gleaned from "top aides" - what Obama will say in his address.

A preview to the preview, if you will. (The anticipation on this one is white hot!)

He's still got time to slip in some subliminal socialist mantra calling for the destruction of all whites.

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(Good on CNN for digging out that Bush clip btw)

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When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didn’t have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me at 4:30 in the morning.


Get your homework done, and don’t spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox. I’ve talked a lot about your government’s responsibility for turning around schools that aren’t working. None of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those adults; and put in the hard work it takes.

Every single one of you has something to offer and you have a responsibility to discover what that is. You could be a mayor or a Senator or a Supreme Court Justice, but you might not know that until you join student government or the debate team. What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country.
You’ll need science and math to cure AIDS. If you don’t do that – you’re quitting on your country like my father quit on my family when I was two years old. I did some things I’m not proud of, and got in more trouble than I should have.
I got a lot of second chances.

That’s what young people like you are doing every day, all across America.
Young people like Jazmin Perez, from Roma, Texas. Jazmin didn’t speak English when she first started school. I’m calling on each of you to set your own goals for your education – and to do everything you can to meet them. Maybe you’ll decide to take better care of yourself so we can keep people from getting the flu. I want you to commit to it. I want you to really work at it.

Sometimes, you get the sense from TV that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you’re not going to be any of those things. But the truth is, you won’t necessarily succeed at everything the first time.
Some of the most successful people in the world are the ones who’ve had the most failures. And even when you’re struggling, even when you’re discouraged, and you feel like other people have given up on you – don’t ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country. The story of America is about people who loved their country too much to do anything less.

It’s the story of students who went on to wage a revolution. So today, I want to ask you, what’s your contribution going to be? You’ve got to do your part so I expect you to get serious this year. Don’t let us down – don’t let your country down. Make us all proud. God bless you, and God bless America.


:D

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Just sent the link to the text of the speech to that dumb-ass who sent me the facebook message. Here's what I wrote to him:


Hey Richard. In case you haven't read it yet, here's the text of Obama's speech to schools tomorrow:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResou...SchoolRemarks/

In it, you'll find such controversial remarks as: ''I can't understand for the life of me what's so great about being stupid,'' and ''block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart'' and ''work harder, learn more.'' Oh wait - sorry - those are quotes from a speech George H.W. Bush made to school kids back in 1991. Although I'm sure you must have been outraged by that too.

Okay, HERE'S a controversial quote from Obama's speech: ''Presidents don't often get the chance to talk directly to students, so today, for each of you sitting in a classroom or assembly hall, this message goes straight to you. Most of you are doing the right thing. But for those of you who let drugs make their decisions for them, you can almost hear the doors slamming shut.'' Oops! Sorry! My bad again. That's from a different speech George H.W. Bush made directly to students back in 1989. Okay, here's one from Obama's speech: "Today, to a degree never before seen in human history, one nation, the United States, has become the model to be followed and imitated by the rest of the world. But America's world leadership goes well beyond the tide toward democracy. We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade." Damn. That's actually from a speech Reagan made to school kids in November of 1988 where he was pushing his policy positions regarding taxes on them. Wow. All these Presidential speeches to school kids to choose from!

Okay, no kidding around this time. Here's an honest quote from the actual Obama speech. "...at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world – and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed." That is indeed from Obama's speech. I invite you to highlight any other quotes you find that are worthy of the alarm that you and others have worked so hard to spread across the country. Because I'm having a real hard time understanding what it is we're supposed to be so outraged about.


I'm hoping he'll write back

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classic. please share if he does.

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But can you imagine his son saying any of those things? :D

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I bet it'd be a blast to party with him though.

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This whole uproar screams racism to me. Are people afraid of having their kids talked down to by a black man?

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It's hard not to think that racism is a contributing factor with members of the general public who are so outspoken about all this. With Republican politicians, it seems primarily motivated by a desire to destroy Obama and the Democrats by any means necessary in an effort to regain some semblance of power, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have a sprinkle of racism tossed in there too.

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New York City started school today.

http://schools.nyc.gov/Calendar/default.htm

Guess they didn't need the speech. Although I assume they could still watch it later.

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Can anyone ever recall a time in American History in which children were told to NOT listen to the President of the United States?

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No, that's why I figure there's a lot of racist tinge in this mess.

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Love that.

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Barack Hussein Obama (BHO) has spent about ONE MILLION Dollars of TAXPAYER/Campaign Contribution funds so far to the CA Law Office working for him to hide and keep sealed BHO's; Birth Certificate, School, College and University and other records, and this man BHO who promised us "transparency" is obviously going to great lengths and expense to hide important facts about his past:

Original, vault copy birth certificate: Not released (attorney's fees are estimated to be up to about $2 MILLION now, instead of HI birth certificate fee of under $20 bucks)
Certification of Live Birth: Released: Document Experts state it is a FORGERY http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008...exposed!.thtml
Obama/Dunham marriage license: Not released (if one exists)
Obama/Dunham divorce: Not released (discovered by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records: Not released; School claims records are"LOST" Records lost (this is a big one -- see here -- read two frames)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license: Not released
Soetoro adoption records: Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application: Not released (discovered by independent investigators) Click here for proof/details.
Punahou School records: Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce: Not released (discovered by independent investigators) http://orlytaitzesq.com/drorlytaitze...ORODIVORCE.pdf
Selective Service Registration: Not released (Obtained via Freedom of information act request; received FORGERY?)
http://orlytaitzesq.com/drorlytaitze...ion/SSSGov.doc
Occidental College records: Not released
Passport: Not released, records scrubbed by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Possible to have U.S. Passport without providing birth certificate, click here for more details.
Columbia College records: Not released
Columbia thesis; "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament"; Not released
But an anti-war plan to disarm America article written by Obama was found;
http://orlytaitzesq.com/drorlytaitze...timilitary.pdf
Harvard College records: Not released
Harvard Law Review articles: None
Illinois Bar Records: Not released
Illinois Driver's License Record: Not released (discovered by independent investigators) Click here for details.
Baptism certificate: None
Medical records: Not released
Illinois State Senate records: None
Illinois State Senate schedule: UH..., "LOST"
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles: None



Barack Obama’s anti-gun policy:

* 1994 to 2001 - Obama was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation. This foundation is the largest funding source for radical anti-gun groups in the country.

* 1996 - Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.

* 1999 - Obama proposed a 500 percent increase in the excise taxes on firearms and ammunition. This tax would effectively punish gun owners for buying guns and ammunition.

* 2003 - Obama voted in support of legislation that would have banned privately owned hunting shotguns, target rifles and black powder rifles in Illinois.

* 2004 - Obama voted against legislation intended to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion.


FACT: Barack Obama voted against the confirmation of 2 of the 5 Justices that affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense.

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.



>>>OOPS!<<<




= a lot of well founded scrutiny from concerned parents worried about his character, even though it was indeed a pretty "clean" speech.


Plus, you know that they probably changed any of the content they need to ahead of time once they knew it was getting so controversial. :p

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All this stuff you've posted over the last week or so.... people here are doing a good job of dismantling your assertions, but I now realise, they're missing the point, aren't they? I just want you to know, mongoose, I get it.

A delightfully convincing satire on bunker-mentality paranoia in contemporary America with its first non-white for president.

Genius.

You had me going for a while there, but it just became too much of a parody towards the end, and impossible to take seriously.

Still, well done. You've made the point better than any of us could have. :)

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You mean concerned parents worried that the President might not have been born in the US because some internet nutter says he can identify the birth extract as being fake from a scanned image? Concerned parents who are worried that little Johnny can't have his Uzi 9mm when he is 16?

I would be more concerned about those concerned parents if it was me....

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I'd actually be more concerned with the fact that he's used around 40 SSNs and hundreds of addresses in his political career.

List of properties and social security numbers associate with Barack Obama and family

The person who generated the list of names, addresses, and SSNs is Mr. Neil Sankey, a former British policeman who’s now a licensed private investigator in Los Angeles.



[Edited as we don't need a phone book-type list published to make a point.]

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Mongoose

If you have a point, give us a link to a website that is making that point. Please don't print pages and pages with dozens of names and addresses of people who you allege are all Barrack Obama on it.

And I would genuinely like to see the link you took it from.

Has it occurred to you that there might be more than one person out of 300 million in the USA who is called Barrack Obama though?

Edit:

Looks like the "Birthers" are turning on their own now, though. Berg and various associates are suing Orly (such a good name in the circumstances) Taitz for disseminating addresses and social security numbers. Haven't read the whole thing yet, but this is what frequently happens when conspiracy theories start to crumble...

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LOL

Just following in the footsteps of half the Religious Right, then :D:D

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THAT's who I'm gonna blame!

& the mongoose is kinda creeping me out.

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Obama creeps me out...

part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM7L4SDGdqU

part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ztgZkwhbDk

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I've been wondering if this was the case myself. But even if it is, I'm totally over it. I get my fill of idiots like birthers, tea-party tools and such on the news every day. Don't need a satire of it here, too.

So which is it? Does Mongoose actually believe this stuff, or is it all in the name of satire?

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Goddammit mongoose.

Pause at 28 seconds, O.K. Not so.

"Liberals", i.e. poor people & not poor people on the left, "Neo-Cons(I'm quite all right using 'con' in place of conservative BTW)", i.e. poor people & not poor people on the right, all do the same dirty sexual positions* in various forms, volume, & styles. Everyone likes sex, but Western culture has developed from "Puritan" values and we're supposed to be ashamed when we get horny. Or something. I'm not watching the rest, it's crazy-talk that draws attention from the real problems facing the country.

*eeek, and this right here, I'm not referring to sexual intercourse. Then I figured, f**k it, while we're at it, let us include that part too. So much been going on as of late to back up my arguement. If ya-know-what-I-mean-kinda-way-thing.

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Hmm... Sounds like those vids are NSFJ*


(*Not Safe for Janies)

;)

Seriously, though. As a result of Mongooses earlier posts, I decided to google a bit and came up with some truly crackpot stuff - claim and counter claim from Dr Orly Taitz Esquire (does the poor woman not realise that the soubriquet "Esquire" denotes a man in English? Bless her heart.)

She's bonkers.:eek: There is no other way to describe the woman. Her affidavits "proving" that Obama's birth certificate is a fake do nothing of the kind; her libellous attacks on Philip Berg's assistant are utterly hilarious.

Is this really what your great nation has been reduced to? Rush Limbaugh and Orly Taitz "Esq."?

Like the fall of Rome, all the loony-toons seem to be there front and centre...

The decline of the American Empire...:(

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Oh, Really?

Re: Strange anger at Obama for Tuesday speech to schools
 

Still yet to be determined just how big a percentage believes this rubbish. But I think it's safe to say that it's a small, VERY vocal percentage.

And incidentally, you KNOW you're pushing the boundaries of rationality when you inspire a focused, clear point out of jOHN! :eek: Well done! :D