Michael Jackson was a child-molester - non-mourning thread...
 

...just so as not to offend anybody who sees music as more important... :rolleyes:

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I'd doff my hair-sprayed cowlick your direction Nutters.

But I've just shaved my head. :D

For the record - I did go see MJ play in Auckland in 1996/97? - got freebie tix through a mate who was working for a brewery. Odd seats - odd concert.

I remember thinking he looked better on MTV than live - the sound mix was pretty rubbish as well.

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Also - are we allowed to appreciate the glory that was the Jackson 5 on this thread.

Exhibit A - one of the finer moments from Clerks 2.

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This was the best Live moment................ Jarvis Cocker! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upbbz_Eyq4Q

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Great idea, a thread about how you don't care. Please tell me your favorite musicians so I can do the same when they die. Did you know that Isaac Brock was a rapist?

Look, if you wanna talk about the child molestation accusations go ahead - guilty till proven innocent amiright???

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it was set up so you wouldn't be offended and clearly signposted.:rolleyes:

please grow up and stop taking this so personally :rolleyes::rolleyes:

i guess the only musician who's death hit me in any was that of kurt kobain. by no means a saint; but he didn't molest boys. do your worst...

i'll remember that should i find out who he is.

$22m paid for dropping the accusation is rather odd if you've done nothing wrong, after all...

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Not taking it personally. Just don't like being called a hypocrite, that's all. To hear someone say, essentially, "I'm glad he's dead" about a musician you like is offensive. Sorry.

If you think it's odd to pay to settle things when you haven't done anything wrong - I assure you, sometimes that is just the easiest way to do things. It is not an admission of guilt. It is simply the way the real world works. Twice in my life I have been in similar situations - one involving shoplifting, one involving a case of "computer hacking".
In the first case, I didn't commit the crime. Simple as that. In the second, I did perhaps do something wrong, but it was not exactly a crime, and the DA did not really understand what it was, and it probably wouldn't hold up in court. Both times there was someone who wanted justice, and both times I decided to 'settle', since it was simply easier for me. The settlements took less time overall than it took to fight the charges. Simple as that. I understand why someone who is 1000000 times more famous and faced with a crime 100000 times as bad would settle. Let's look at what the trial was doing to MJ - it destroyed his public persona, lost him some fans, took him away from music, constantly got him slandered in the media, and he suddenly found everyone who knew him selling him out, including his own sister. As for whether or not he did it - let's not forget that A) the media was so desperate to nail the guy, they paid a half million to seemingly anyone who knew him if they were willing to make up a story suggesting he did it, B) every other child friend he had defended him, C) the father made it fairly clear that he was only after money in the start, and D) even at the time, most people believed he was innocent. The media and the public wanted him to be guilty because he was a freak that did weird things and because it gave them someone to make fun of and villify.

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Not necessarily.

Find myself more in agreement with 349...(etc) than with you when it comes to this one.

Of course the media have been overdoing the coverage, and I can understand how that leads to cynicism. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't sad to hear about his death.

And yes, I'm gatecrashing your thread!

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Do you think Paul McCartney feels like a total bitch now, after all his trash talk when MJ bought all The Beatles songs, and it appears MJ's will is GIVING them all back to him?

Man, I love a good cat fight. Esp. when it's amoung men. F-ing classic. It's like soap opera!

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Haha, good point. I do think McCartney had the right to be pissed through. Either way a pretty damn shrewd move by Jackson.

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Which part?

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Buying the Beatles catalogue?

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You tell me, don't answer with a question, it's not a test. :p

& if was a test you'd have already failed answering with a question! :p :D (these smiley are kinda annoying, huh? Be thankful I'm only allowed 4 in my post, I'd confuse the F. out ya)

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Im gatecrashing too, because why not. I find it hard to act confident about either side of the argument that MJ was a child molester. Definitely a troubled man who had no grasp of what we would consider a normal reality, but what can you expect from someone who had basically been a superstar since around the age of 9? He certainly acted inappropriately where social norms are concerned, admittedly sharing his bed with visiting children, but that doesn't mean he molested them. It's just further evidence of his disconnect with the normal world.

That being said, I'm sick to death of the coverage, particularly on CNN. I like to see a wrap-up of the days events on Anderson Cooper when I get home around 7pm, or sometimes even catch a little Larry King just before that. But since the day Jackson died, they've been having almost round the clock coverage of nothing but where's the will, what's going on with the autopsy, who gets the kids, who inherits his debt, and so on and so forth, over and over and over again. I watch for about 15 or 20 minutes waiting for them to move on to other news stories, but they don't so I turn them off. Meanwhile, the situation in Iran lumbers on, U.S. troops have pulled out of the major cities in Iraq, there's been a coup in Nicaragua, Kim Jong Il has been flaunting his craziness with renewed vigor, etc - but I literally haven't heard about any of that on CNN. It's shameful, and I wish it would stop.

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a grown man* says that he sees nothing wrong with sharing his bed with young boys.

straw poll - do you let your son hang out with him?

simple question - yes or no answers ONLY at this stage - NO QUALIFYING, IF'S BUT'S OR MAYBE'S please.

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...but. :D






































Me: NO.

Others: We COULD possibly make some money if we let our kids stay over.

/ /|/|/: Are you promoting a book that we'll need to buy in order to find out the asterisk(!) footnote?

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The way that it seems to be with MJ is that some were upset about settling in lieu of going to trial, and others found something to dislike MJ over because of the trials. There are people on both sides, and both sides have a legitimate claim to their feelings. If I'm mega-famous and someone levels a very severe, very taboo claim against me then as it pertains to me, I will fight those accusations until the day I die. I wouldn't pay money to try and make those claims go away because let's be real here, those accusations never really do go away, and it makes me an easy target for extortion or blackmail.

However, he was acquitted on the charges that he didn't settle on, which included the "victim" declining to take the stand eventually. As well, what kind of sick parent takes a payout instead of seeking justice for their children? Is it possible that he molested children? Yup. It is possible that he never had any kind of ill intentions at all and was just taken advantage of? Absolutely.

There's no imperical evidence to substantiate the title of this thread, just a whole bunch of gut feelings that could either be right or be wrong. Me personally, I have a feeling that at one point he was up to no good, but that's only because the idea of settling doesn't make sense to me. Then again however I already know what the results will be -- people will get suspicious if I settle and it's not going to stop the scum of the earth from trying to make an easy buck off of my work. I learned this from watching MJ.

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You're a vegetable.

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i saw on another board where a poster brought up his idea that MJ loves children so much that he couldnt stand to see them go through the hell of being in court, so he just paid them off.

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What exactly is the point? Nobody is debating that it's inappropriate. You already know what the answer is going to be. If I think there's nothing wrong with driving on the sidewalk does it make me a murderer??

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you got me for bad editing there...


...but that's not a bad idea... :cool:

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it's piss-poor to be glossing over it just because it happens to concern the most famous man on the planet.

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Don't worry there are plenty of people like you who get excited pissing all over everything in this world...

Nobody's really glossing over it. Do you live in an alternate universe where celebrity sex scandals are ignored? Pretty much every article or special I've seen on the man lately at least mentions it. Most people prefer to remember the recently deceased for the good things. People joke about Jackson a lot but it's not really discussed anymore because most people are sick of it and no matter how you slice it there's really no hard evidence. If he was found guilty it's another story. Still I guess you're living proof that an accusation is enough to condemn a person. Guilty 'till proven innocent.

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eh?! you asked a question, i answered it. what do you mean by that nonsense? if you want to debate, let's do it. but i think you need to calm down somewhat, mister - the dark side is clouding your argumenting somewhat...

[/QUOTE]Nobody's really glossing over it.[/QUOTE]

eh?! (again!) you'd certainly like to, it appears!

yeah; me know fuck-all.:rolleyes:

wonder why?

aaah; those 'most people'. and yes, 'most people' do do what you say. but i also contend that 'most people' also remember child molesters as being sick fuckers and don't really miss them when they pop their clogs.

aaaah (again!) - those 'most people' are back - and now they're sick of it, dammit! funnily enough, i haven't met a single one of these 'most people'. the 'most people' i've met think he was a child-molester. then again; 'most people' i know are parents too...

he wasn't found not guilty either, remember. he was in a position to pay to have the trial disappear - poof! like magic! i think that speaks louder for his guilt than his innocence.

you think otherwise - good for ya - you're not going to change my view, i'm not going to change yours. for a happy mourning, don't dine here. please.

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who? me?

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(ooh, it's like the old daisies in world, innit!)

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Ahh, I didn't know that was how you were answering the question. I mean what's the point of asking a question if you know the answer? True or false could I break into your house if I didn't steal anything?

I'm not saying we should gloss over it. I'm just saying I don't see any of it as relevant to the point where THAT is the first thing I think of when people mention MJ. As for "most people" - for the first trial, a poll came out revealing that showed that 80% of the public did not believe he actually did it.

I don't really like the tone implication of "if you don't have children, you don't understand how bad this is". I know damn well how bad this is.

Of course he wasn't ruled to be not "not guilty". He was acquitted on the second trial. There wasn't going to be a way to prove him 100% innocent but that's no fault of his own. The fact that he settled does imply guilt; but it's not hard to see why, if he was innocent, he would still settle. I don't believe it because the media is powerful and they tried really really hard to get a guilty verdict and still could not. That speaks a lot.

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Could you two have beer now or something? But not together, because then you boys get stupid and beat each other up.

I'm gonna hit some whiskey! It's after noon already, so I don't meet the def. of an alcoholic.

You two do the same!

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No, I don't personally let my son hang out with him. But that still doesn't prove he was anything more than out of touch with reality. Who knows, maybe he did molest young boys, but you and I have no way of knowing that, and he was never found guilty of it. Not sure how you can be so confident about it.

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we're not glad he's dead! just fed up with hearing how wonderful he was - when he obviously wasn't. i find that offensive........

and the rest of the post is pretty irrelevent being as 1. shoplifting and child molestation are not comparable and 2. computer hacking and child molestation are not comparable crimes either. The title of the thread tells you everything. You would be better off going back to the appreciation thread ............;)

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I'm responding to stuff like "good riddance"

I never implied that they were comparable in severity. The fact is both what I did and what he did were legal problems. In my case I was innocent. In his case, who knows. My point was that even if you are innocent it's sometimes altogether best to settle, and it doesn't necessarily mean guilt. This probably happens more than you'd think. But even if you don't see it - how is the fact that the trial was destroying his life irrelevant??

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LOL, you're doing a good job 349 but I think you're wasting your time!

Too many silly straw men being put up. We should just go back to our wall-to-wall grieving and our campaigning for the legalization of child molestation. :rolleyes:

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Just noticed this...
The implication there being that we lack the same abhorrence of child molestation or appreciation of its seriousness? In truth, all you're doing is making a 'no smoke without fire' argument and insinuating that those who don't share it must care less about the children. Which is clearly nonsense (or nonce-sense, if you prefer). It could quite easily be argued that being a parent can make you less rational, make you more susceptible to paedo panic.

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i think you need to not take that quote out of context. i was referring to a couple of counts of where 'most people' 's opinion was being brought up. i was reflecting how my experience of 'most people' was different and why.

but sorry if you feel offended; that certainly wasn't my intention. nor was it to imply that nobody but parents understood the seriousness of the matter. my point is that 100% of parents i know (which represents 'most people' in my world) reckon he was a child-molester.

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I'm not offended, I promise.

I just think you're presumptious and wrong! :p

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There was a poll taken in '93 or '94 about the trials asking if the public thought he did it - guess what, 80% said they think he did not. I think that's more significant than the parents you know.

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nya-nya-nya!

:rolleyes:

i'll take my friends any time.

(much more of this and i'll be rolling out jokes - THEN you'll know offensive...)

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DO IT!
DO IT!
DO IT!

But I don't think he sexually molested them.

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Uhm... in a non-distorted summation of the truth, it's not obvious at all.