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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 102860)

Wow. I agree with this last post from bas_I_am. I think that's a first for me...;)

Sean. . . believe it or not all, idealogically there is ALOT we agree on. I think at times we may look at certain events from a different angle.

For example, on Ahmedajan (or how ever you spell it) - I think alot of what we hear that he says is coming through filters. Filters with agendas. When fox news/bush/anti-defamation league says that he advocates "wiping Israel from the map" I question the filter. Everytime I have investigated, I find that what he said is he advocates the disillusion of Israel as a political state and returning power to the people of palestine. Yes, I guess you could extrapolate it means "wiping Israel from the map" as there would not be a political boundary on the globe denoted as Israel, but I would contend that his tone is completely different from the inflamatory rhetoric injected via partisan filters.

There are two sides to every story. . and then there is the truth

See, we do need women* priests. At least in the financial church of In God We Trust.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26963309/

*I got into trouble again.

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Originally Posted by bas_I_am (Post 102854)

I am not for a bailout that puts the onus on the taxpayers. I am anything but that. My argument is something has to be done. Any action taken must protect the common man and not reward credit insurers, mortgage bankers etc.

But this is not about bailing them out, its about preventing their maleficence from destroying everyone (which it will). At the same time, addressing the US executive branch regulatory malfeasance.

Any argument that says "money is bad! Let 'em all burn" is infantile. Now is the opportunity to fix things. Its the carrot-stick approach - "Ok, here's the money, but in order to get it, we are going to have some significant rule changes!" Then we investigate and prosecute the perpetrators.

If we do nothing, the greedy rich will remain rich, though they may feel a slight pinch. When things begin to rebound, which inevitably it will, it will be only the guys who screwed it up that will have the resources to benefit from it. Meanwhile, everything will be drained from the poor.

If you listen to Rep. Kaptur, she doesn't say do nothing, she is saying what we do has to be done in a manner that protects the people. At the same time she says we have to do something.

The only other alternative is to create a world war.

well said. I think we have more common ground than not. My arguments against the bailout come more from the perspective of what it is now, and how it is being dealt with, not what it could be and how it could be better dealt with.

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Originally Posted by bas_I_am (Post 102839)

It was regulatory failure.

Eight years of lassez-faire (sp?) policy by a collusive presidency allowed this to happen.

The "people with money" will hurt a little but they will weather the storm. The people without will be the ones that suffer.

In a sense, you've negated yourself.

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Originally Posted by bas_I_am (Post 102861)

Sean. . . believe it or not all, idealogically there is ALOT we agree on. I think at times we may look at certain events from a different angle.

I'm shaking.

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Originally Posted by Strangelet (Post 102794)

Ron Paul's economic adviser. So essentially Ron Paul.

Yeah, I've also been watching and reading Paul's reaction to the crisis and the bailout and again I'm not an economy expert but his story does seem to make the most sense out of all the stories that I'm reading and hearing about this.

Ron Paul for president! ;)

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Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ (Post 102866)

In a sense, you've negated yourself.

Please elaborate

:|

I have nothing other than a blank stare at the moment. Have to get back to ya on that.

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Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ (Post 102884)

:|

I have nothing other than a blank stare at the moment. Have to get back to ya on that.

jOHN is Sarah Palin and I claim my £5.

VERY GOOD DECKARD!!!!

I need to apologize for that comment.

I had no intentions of deterring our troops spirit. It's been bothering me how our situation in Iraq seems to have slipped everyone's mind what with all the money talk here back home. I have a (-) balance currently, so all these large firgures being throw around drive myself a bit absent minded and quick on the tongue while we have husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters and most of all friends away from home.

Sincerest apology to everyone.