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DAMN IT. Travelling for a few days and this goes on sale and is already gone. :P

I just want to listen to (legitimate copies of) the music. Why the hell make it so hard to get??

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Because it was for an art exhibition, therefore music listeners and fans of the musician don't really matter. It's about the art, man.

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Woohoo! It's on it way, status: posted. Can't wait!

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uw: well true fans would go to japan and snap this up when it happens.

In all fairness - about the availibility of BWS
 

i'm just curious, but what do you mean by hard?

did you subscribe to the thread, because then you would have
been notified by email about replies being made..(hopefully you check your email regularly)...

even if you don't check the forums everyday... you could have still
come across this thread if you were interested in it...

not everyone gets a break anytime something is announced or
released... this was a limited release for an installation in japan,
and we (the fans) were lucky they even had extras to sell..

did you see all the complaints about the price,etc, even after
people knew about it? what do you say to them?

yes, its sad they don't have a large amount of copies or other
methods (right now) to release it..

but are you really going to complain about how hard it was to
get this release? especially when plenty of people didn't have
any problems?

as for going on travel and missing out on things, it happens,
but maybe the next time something is announced you'll have
plenty of time to react and be prepared..

later
-1

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jeez, just read through the last few pages of this thread...

here's my opinion...

this album - was and is never going to be available in the 'shops' - it was created to accompany the exhibition - which also had an exclusive catalogue - also only available at the exhibit.

regular CD albums cost £10 / $15 roughly

however its not fair to compare this exclusive package to these prices - and adding postage to the cost does not make the product any more, it is what it is - you live too far away you have to pay the shipping - thats the rules anywhere...whatever you buy... i regularly purchase stuff from the states... its still cheaper if you add the shipping - sometimes ist more but if i want something that I PHYSICALLY CANNOT GET HERE i have to pay for the priviledge

being the former collector of UW items i would have snapped this up regardless of price - its a unique limited edition CD and booklet - which despite what you might think - i believe is probably essential with this purchase (much like the booklet that came with barking)

those of you waiting for the CD without the booklet are not imo getting the full experience of the 'bundle'

some people here are seeing UW as a band who make and sell music in 'hard formats' - they don't - they do much more than that... they are an interactive band who have many projects and outlets

you don't have to buy anything, i don't anymore its too much for me...

that said it doesn't mean i haven't got a 'virtual' copy of this album... i'm still a fan and still want to hear the output, but for me its not about owning a physical item - for many reasons which i've stated previously...

but back in the day £30 would have been a bargain for a super limited edition package...

its available - or was... and only fans will get this beacuse as I opened with its not available anywhere else...

unless you want to wait until is £300 on ebay...

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what he said.

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DON'T SAY THAT D:

anyway, a catalog from an exhibition is recopilation of it. most of them hardly cover all the aspects of an art show < that being said, i hope all the lucky ones who bought the record get their hands on a wonderful catalog, specially coming from tomato.

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That's it, though, this kind of release actively encourages pirating if anything. I just really hate the limited edition exclusive 'for people with money coming out of their ears only' bollocks releases. Fans ARE going to download the disc and listen to it, so why not offer a digital version through the site or a stripped down CD version. Lots of people in this thread alone have said they'd buy it. There's no option, though. There's no stripped down version, there's nothing for people who are struggling, financially (and there are a lot of us about at the moment) or people who were away for a few days. I just think it's a shame, really, as they could provide a nice version of it for cheaper, a thousand more copies in a slimline jewelcase with a link to some images from the gallery online would cost them a few hundred pounds. Sell them for a fiver a pop and they've made a few thousand profit, fans have got a physical copy of a potentially excellent disc... I dunno, that option just seems to benefit everyone.

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well, it depends on whether or not you consider this
a normal 'release'... obviously it's not a purely commercial one...
so why would it be promoted or distributed the way
any of their other normal ones were?

how many of these were?
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http://bigscreensatellite.com/otherstuff.htm

do you think the anti-rom was a release? how many
people ended up getting that? or the playstation 2 project?

how much do you think that would have gone for, and how
much of an appeal did they have?

this 'release' doesn't encourage anything anymore than
any other 'release' does... don't you think every other
thing they've put out has been copied and released
with the promos also? what makes you think this
would be any different?

if you really want to find the music you will, and if you
really want to make the effort to pay for it, (when you
can)... as a fan, you'll do that also... but they're not
encouraging anyone in any way or form to just take
their property and distribute it freely.. unless they've
expressly said so...

they've released TONS of music,
projects and videos FOR FREE via their site, and
through other means for the fans.. don't you appreciate
that aspect of their efforts?

later
-1

Re: In all fairness - about the availibility of BWS
 

I'm honestly not even sure how to begin to reply to this; the viewpoint presented in your post seems so detached from (at least what I understand as) the normal everyday world, it's left me more or less speechless.

Re: In all fairness - about the availibility of BWS
 

if you want me to restate my points in a briefer manner..

i meant, did you really think it was that hard to find
this release? or any information about it?

i don't see too many other people that did..

i don't check the boards everyday, in fact i've been off
the boards for several months now, and i had no problem
finding out about the release and getting a few copies of it...

if you had subscribed to the thread, or checked the board
you would have known about it..

if you had the bad luck of not knowing about it, and totally
missing out, then that's a different story..

all i'm trying to say is that you could have avoided this
situation with a little more effort on your part to use
the features on this board..

later
-1

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I was checking the board (this forum and thread in particular) virtually every day ever since learning about the Bungalow with Stairs disc back in September. I've had a browser window open on my desktop specifically for that purpose for the last two months. Unfortunately the first time I was unable to check the thread for a couple of days because I was traveling was apparently exactly when they decided to finally make the disc available.

But that's not really the point. This is a compact disc. They can press as many copies as they like, for minimal incremental cost. They can even go back and do another run, if it looks like their original assessment of interest was off. There are entire companies that exist primarily to provide that service inexpensively. Or if even that minimal incremental cost is too much, they could have put the disc up for sale in purely digital form, for virtually no incremental cost.

Any of those solutions would allow those of us interested in hearing the music (not owning some rare collectible – hearing and enjoying the music) to give them money for the privilege of doing so, to compensate them and support their art. Instead they chose to offer only a few copies that were left over from the show, leaving those who want to listen to the music and weren't lucky enough to be monitoring the site or the forums at the right time with no legitimate path to do so.

That's what I mean by making it so hard to get. It's ridiculous. And completely unnecessary.

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Now were do I get those for five quid? ;)

Maybe the generosity of the band is even counterproductive, in combination with the 'digital age of music': Fans, and other customers, are under the impression that they can buy every release from an online shop for a reasonable price. Hence, everyone gets anything he wants, immediately, and infinitely so due to the infinite reproducibility of digital media.

We've all been spoiled and the film and music industries are still figuring out how to tap that new sense of ubiquitousness...

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At the risk of reiterating what I mentioned before, this isn't a commercial release. It's not the new Underworld album. This music was released at a certain time and place and had a single objective - to accompany the exhibition. There is no intention to make money from it (other than selling left overs that already exist, and I don't believe there can be any profit made there). Perhaps R&K are doing fine without your money for this? If you want to give them some money, buy one of their commercial releases. Every minute spent sorting out represses or digital downloads takes away time from new, more interesting projects.

Imagine how dull life would be if everytime you created something, you had to stop and think how you could make it available for money. It takes the joy out of doing spontaneous, one-off projects and moving on.

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I'm not asking for a 'normal' release, I'm asking for them to press up a thousand copies or so and sell them. Honestly, it'd cost them about £500. Or, as others have said, offer a digital version for sale.
The fact that the person who wants it to number of copies available ratio is much higher? The only stuff I download pirate copies of is out of print material, and I dare say it's the same for a lot of fans of my age and older (who, given their time together as a band, are probably a considerable proportion of UW's hardcore fanbase). The fewer copies you make available of a release, the more it encourages pirating.
The options are: be one of the few who can purchase the release, download it illegally, or don't hear the music. They know they have more fans interested in their music than they had discs for sale, so they're either encouraging us to pirate it, or don't care if we hear it or not. I'd rather think the former, to be honest.
I do, but I don't think it compensates for making some material difficult to get ahold of. Whether you think the logistics of purchasing the album were hard or not, the limited nature and price of the release mean a fair number of people will miss out. A few mp3s and videos of outtakes and demos is a nice treat, but if the cost is an expensive, extremely limited run of an album people are desperate to hear, then I'd rather not bother.

Anyway, ins and outs aside, the simple fact is: they had two options of making this available to a lot of fans, and they didn't take either, simply choosing a limited, exclusive 'people who can afford to pay a lot of money only' route.
Fans: hey, lots of us want to buy this, can we?
Underworld: no, you're not rich enough, fuck off.

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i think you may be missing -1's point...

this is a limited release... its NOT available commercially

it was only available at the exhibition - a bonus for those who attended - it didn't sell out so they made what was left available... when that lot runs out thats IT.

i used to collect KLF records way back and some of their releases were really scarce... what i would have done for an extra 1000 copies to be made of a 12" or CD, but no, they stopped at the production run and that was it - a couple of releases they did odd number copies of, which would have been more counter productive and cost effective if they rounded it up to 500 or 1000 copies, but thats the point... they didn't want to.

now i know in the digital age we want downloads, but the beauty of this item is that its something that you could have taken away from the exhibit, with a catalogue as a momento of your visit... its just lucky that we get the chance to buy any leftovers...its annoying it was in Japan, but its also annoying for me when Star Wars do exclusive weekends at Disneyland and the exclusive only stuff is sold in the US - which i then have to source elsewhere at twice the cost...unfortunatley just because the 1001st fan wants a copy of a record / action figure whatever doesn't mean that the band / manufacturer will or want to knock off extra copies...

i'm always pissed off if i miss getting hold of something even if its just a digital copy, but i somehow seem to manage to track it down one way or another... i know its wrong, but for UW (and i'm not condoning this wholeheattedly) this release is not commercially available and therefore is not out there to make money, so is more or less open to borrowing from the internet ;)


i know they could make more or make it digital, but why would they... they had 180 tracks in the bin for the last few years but these aren't available either... we all have wish lists but thats the beauty (or not) of following bands like UW, its easier now in the 2010's than it was in the 1990's

i know shouting does work, and it may be that in time a copy becomes availble online uw shop, but until then i think we have to accept that this is it. UW are not making it difficult, they made it simple, unfortunatley you had to be in Japan.

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Yeah, I do understand all of that, I just think it's bullshit, really.
I'm a musician, I recently released a very limited run CDr. I don't have a large or strong fanbase, certainly, but once the last copy had sold out I put it online for anybody else to hear. Everybody has their own perspectives on it, and I'm not saying that Underworld 'should' do one thing, especially if the album was intended for the exhibition (although I'm sure I read that there are previously heard sections of this disc? Which would suggest that it wasn't entirely composed for the exhibition - correct me if I'm wrong), but my perspective is: if you're going to share your art, then share it. Don't make it only available for an exclusive group of people who can attend an exhibition in Japan, or happen to be online with a spare wad of cash for a particular few days. Don't make it a competition as to who can get it and who can't.

This isn't the 180 tracks they haven't released, because - one way or another - they haven't felt the time is right to release those. I respect that. I don't respect making it available to some and then simply closing the door on everyone else. And sadly, for anyone not living in Japan, the difference between the two groups seems to be financial (can't afford to get to Japan or pay the extortionate CD price? No music for you, m'laddo).

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<< I'm a musician, I recently released a very limited run CDr. I don't have a large or strong fanbase, certainly, but once the last copy had sold out I put it online for anybody else to hear. >>

Well how is that fair to the people who spent the money on your album? Aren't you just encouraging people to not pay for your next release? I'd certainly be questioning why I just spent $$ when it was available a month later for free.

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Because it was available as a mid-quality mp3 without the hand-made packaging, and the disc was sold at a low price. I'm not saying it's a model that's necessarily perfect for Underworld, but it highlights my perspective that music shouldn't just be for those who can afford it at the right time. The packaging made it collectable, which was an enjoyable project, but the music is art and I don't want the enjoyment of it to be part of some exclusive little club.

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http://www.underworldlive.com/shop/m...ArID=1&AID=872

Click Now... limited availability for sure - but I just ordered mine! YEAH!!!!! :D :eek: :D

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For anyone reading who still wants to purchase one: There are more copies available on underworldlive.com right now, BTW.

(Yeah, I ordered one. And yeah, I still think it's ridiculous to not make the music more readily available.)

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Well, after all that, I'm glad lowbit was able to get his copy.

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so tempted to order another copy...

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Thanks TB. Since most of my favorite UW tracks tend toward the ambient/atmospheric side, I'm very much looking forward to hearing this disc!

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Mine has arrived... and been hidden away until 25th Dec!

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mine's on the way. stoked for this. I'm really interested in the gallery book

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Mine arrived this week - had to pick it up from the post office this mornin'. Not listened yet. It's got Van Halen Van Halen Soundtrack too. :)

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grumble... still waiting for my copy...

I got an email the other day... hopefully it'll come by Monday!

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Anyone in the US get theirs yet?


I got an email saying that it was "posted" a few days back though...:)

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well - I got a message mine was posted three days ago...

still haven't gotten it

and I'm in Glasgow!!!!

grumble grumble grumble...

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Did anyone ever get images of the pencil drawings for sale? I asked, was told they'd be coming, and never saw a list... shame... Hrm.

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They're the ones here that are done on hotel stationery, like Moscow Drawing and Hong Kong Drawing. I believe also some of the sketches at the bottom of the list:

http://www.underworldlive.com/art/ga...Hyde&year=2009

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Got mine today.Ive had a listen. Sounds to me its all Experimental. Its a mixture of Riverrun and plenty of The voiceover of Im Lonely Bollock.. Off the relentless legs Moaner mix

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i asked too

but never got the email either...

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still waiting for mine in the big smoke...

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Got mine on friday in London... I'm sure tho others will appear soon...

Yeah, as expected its more out there than yur usual album. I can hear some patterns and shapes from the riverruns and some of the vocal snippets have turned up at live gigs. I can find some of the end bits of 'Tokyo < > London 7' in 'Something Like a Mama' from the Blue Mountain live jams, but I'm sure they've turned up somewhere else too..

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Got three seperate posted confirmation forms. Still ain't arrived.

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Got mine today in Germany!!
That was fast...
Nice package with the CD & catalogue.
Thank you, Underworld!
I am happy now...
:)

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My girlfriend had her copy delivered on Friday (recorded delivery), but no sign of mine so far. Both ordered at the same time to the same address. Perhaps they were sorted alphabetically, she is a C, me an L. I have little faith in the local sorting office though.