Re: sarah palin?
 

Well, McCain has a bunch of Bush guys working on his campaign, and supposedly (according to Countdown) Karl Rove is working on the campaign now.

Re: sarah palin?
 

i'm disgusted with mccain. he's always been a different sort of politician, but in his desperation to win this contest he's allowing himself to sink to levels that he's always outwardly spoken of as detestable. it's impossible to tell who's coming out ahead at this point, what with the media in full-blown tabloid hysteria mode (which rarely reflects true public interest) but it's making it difficult for me to see a possible win for mccain that won't leave me feeling ashamed of him and our country for falling for these tactics.

i voted for mccain in the michigan republican primaries during his first run against GWB. according to the rules of michigan party politics, as a registered democrat this meant giving up my right to vote in the democratic primary for both that and the next election. i was willing to jump party lines because i believed he was different and really stood for the kinds of ideas he spouted. he was one of a small handful of politicians i actually respected because i felt like he was above these kinds of political machinations.

but at this point it's like he's become twisted. it isn't about winning on his terms, it's about winning by any means necessary. and for me, who used to believe in his integrity, it's a more disgusting display than if it were any other politician.

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Oh, that's just great. Someone wanna ask McCain what a soul is going for nowadays?

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Yeah, and one of those guys was responsible for the "McCain has a black baby" smear of 2000.

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You've just perfectly summed up exactly how I feel about McCain at this point.

I may have said this previously in another thread, but I can't help but think that at some point when this is all over, McCain will look back at how much he compromised his principles in this campaign, and he'll realize what a blight it is on his personal legacy. I can only hope he still has the decency to at least recognize that....

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(.....) = stars

(......) = uuum, six? What is that number again?

(.......) = opposite the number 6 number

(........) = infinity (x2 for me)

(.........) = kinda like 6, but upside down(according to Hollywood at least)

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i think it was in the recent Times or Newsweek where they wrote maybe this is the real mccain and not the one from 2000

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Just in case the modershakers get out of hand. Again.

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i don't know. he really has made a career out of taking a stand on ethical issues even if they set him apart from his party. to say this is suddenly the "real" mccain would mean he's spent decades building up a big scam just to end up flip-flopping in 2008 and showing himself as insincere.

it would be different if he didn't have the record that he has, but you can't deny his record. you don't have to agree with everything he's done but you can't say he's spent his career pandering. that didn't start until GWB needed his endorsement during his re-bid for office. that was when mccain threw in the towel and showed he was willing to be a shill.

Re: sarah palin?
 

Some of Palin's remarks that I quoted earlier....

ABC tonight released an early transcript of parts of an interview with Palin...

Let me just break here and say hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Ok, continue....
Thou shalt tie thyself up in knots....

Re: sarah palin?
 

She should blame the slips on medications.

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Matt Damon on the rise of Sarah Palin:

a 'really bad Disney movie' (YouTube)

S'about right.

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take Palin's answers with Charlie Gibson, and then listen to McCain's interview here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXRki_WqUJY

then picture in your mind that there are people out there that will say "they hit it out of the park" with these answers and...whoa i just a felt a chill go down my spine.........

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Just got done watching the first part of the interview, and holy fuck, now I just hope she doesn't become VP or President because if I have to hear her speak for any length of time, I'll jam pencils into my ears. I'm not talking about the way she bends and contorts around the questions but her fucking voice. At least Dubya is sorta entertaining when he talks.

Re: sarah palin?
 

Here's a good article in Time Magazine outlining the investigation into "trooper-gate" - Palin's possibly unethical firing of cops based on a family divorce rather than job performance.

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remember the porn name generator? well now there's a "if sarah palin was your parent" name generator:

http://www.personal-space.com/palin/index.php

she named me Slicer Mission Palin.

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Argh, too many election/Palin threads!

Guess I'll put it here...

OBAMA DEFENDS 'CREATIONIST PSYCHO BITCH' REMARK

:D

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http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/518512.html

*blank stare*

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Oh come on, she's sexy like a model.

And her husband is completely buttugly.

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she already had 4 damn kids, why did she need to "hide" her 5th pregnancy, eh Sarah? :rolleyes:

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whoah, some pictures of from an anti-sarah rally in alaska:

http://www.laurainak.blogspot.com/

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Awesome. I hope this gets more coverage (although I seriously doubt it will).

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Another interesting article here from someone "back home" gives a very clear view of her record in Alaska.
http://www.crosscut.com/2008-election/17341/

And in fact this Warrior Librarians site gives lots of lovely linkies including something that purports to be the letter Mrs Palin wrote to try and get her bro-in-law kicked out of the State Troopers. I can't vouch for it's veracity, but if it is genuine.... good grief. :eek:

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Those are the kinds of things that will help break the spell.

Because the problem we have ('we' being everyone who has criticized her virtually from the day she was announced as running mate) is that we've turned her into the victim, and galvanized her party.

Even moderate Republicans who might not naturally warm to her are rallying round her, helping to stand up to the liberal aggressors.

She will most likely carry that through into the debates, and that concerns me.

It's not just the perception of the man (or crowd of men) picking on the woman. It's the perception of picking on the newbie, the small-town Mom. It's the danger that the debates will be won and lost not on ideological or intellectual merit, but on a gut feeling as to who feels like the good guys and who feels like the bad guys.

I hope I'm being pessimistic, but at the moment it feels like the more the media criticizes her, the stronger she becomes.

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Move over Mrs Palin.

There's a better Palin who could do your job.

:D

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he's got my vote :)

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And mine!

"Every sperm is sac-red..."

:D

(Plus he knows his Russia from his Alaska)

EDIT: I just went here... http://www.michaelpalinforpresident.com
and out of interest, clicked on the 'Complain' link at the bottom.

Just class!

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more pics from the alaskan anti-sarah rally in anchorage:

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/0...rally-is-huge/

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i'm glad someone finally cracked this joke because it's all i've been able to think of since they announced her name.

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The story and the photos go a long way towards restoring my hope for our society. Thanks for the link.

And incidentally, I came across this article about Alaskan Republicans who were formerly critics of Palin's now closing ranks around her. Pretty blatant, telling stuff. Here's an excerpt:

Meanwhile, the so-called Troopergate investigation of the Palin administration has become a flashpoint for the governor's critics and defenders.

"Since Aug. 29 (when Palin was picked), the mood has really changed," said Halcro, whose own blog and radio show focus heavily on the investigation. "Now it's, 'Don't talk about it.' It's almost like blasphemy."

Conservative radio host Dan Fagan -- who said he hopes McCain beats Obama in November -- expresses frustration every day as callers object to his bringing up Troopergate and Palin's role. He accuses the governor's defenders of trying to sweep things under the rug to protect her candidacy.

"I'm hearing from my friends on the right, the truth doesn't matter. It's about the team," Fagan complained on his KFQD show this week.

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Sorry to be the continual bringer of light banter about what is arguably one of the more important political processes this year, but this SNL clip is great.

Gov. Palin and Senator Clinton address the nation.

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I tell you what, though. If I don't keep laughing at the possibility of McCain/Palin in charge of The Button, I think I will cry. So keep 'em coming. :D

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Doesn't this just sum up the problem perfectly? Teams. Tribes. The Enemy. Sheesh.

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It does unfortunately. I can understand party loyalty and such, but when it comes at the expense of the well-being of the country, or basic things like truth, I lose my empathy.

The New York Times has just put out an article about Palin's governing style that I hope gets some attention. A couple excerpts:

Throughout her political career, she has pursued vendettas, fired officials who crossed her and sometimes blurred the line between government and personal grievance, according to a review of public records and interviews with 60 Republican and Democratic legislators and local officials.

and...

Interviews show that Ms. Palin runs an administration that puts a premium on loyalty and secrecy. The governor and her top officials sometimes use personal e-mail accounts for state business; dozens of e-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that her staff members studied whether that could allow them to circumvent subpoenas seeking public records.

Rick Steiner, a University of Alaska professor, sought the e-mail messages of state scientists who had examined the effect of global warming on polar bears. (Ms. Palin said the scientists had found no ill effects, and she has sued the federal government to block the listing of the bears as endangered.) An administration official told Mr. Steiner that his request would cost $468,784 to process.

When Mr. Steiner finally obtained the e-mail messages — through a federal records request — he discovered that state scientists had in fact agreed that the bears were in danger, records show.

“Their secrecy is off the charts,” Mr. Steiner said.

and...

Last summer State Representative John Harris, the Republican speaker of the House, picked up his phone and heard Mr. Palin’s voice. The governor’s husband sounded edgy. He said he was unhappy that Mr. Harris had hired John Bitney as his chief of staff, the speaker recalled. Mr. Bitney was a high school classmate of the Palins and had worked for Ms. Palin. But she fired Mr. Bitney after learning that he had fallen in love with another longtime friend.

And those are just from the first page and a third of a five page article. :eek:

Sorry....had to add this from page 3 of the article:

...in 1995, Ms. Palin, then a city councilwoman, told colleagues that she had noticed the book “Daddy’s Roommate” on the shelves and that it did not belong there, according to Ms. Chase and Mr. Stein. Ms. Chase read the book, which helps children understand homosexuality, and said it was inoffensive; she suggested that Ms. Palin read it.

“Sarah said she didn’t need to read that stuff,” Ms. Chase said. “It was disturbing that someone would be willing to remove a book from the library and she didn’t even read it.”

“I’m still proud of Sarah,” she added, “but she scares the bejeebers out of me.”

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for national security experience, Palin's claim to fame is that Russia is her neighbor and you can see Russia from an island in Alaska

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...a_Jul_2006.jpg

that's the island on the left, russian territory on the right.

view from above http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:B...t-close-VE.jpg

Palin National Security Experience FTW!

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Yeah I know!

There was almost a fatal plane crash today too when both the pilot and co-pilot died in the cockpit. The Stewards put out a tannoy, but luckily Sarah Palin was on board and she used to live next door to an airport...

*Badumching* :D

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this AP article is practically hemorraging frustration.

these snippets made me lol

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And hey...seriously, you need to read the New York Times article I linked. It's the most comprehensive look into her governing style I've seen yet, and it's terrifying.

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Sarah Palin told congress "Thanks, But No Thanks" for that Bridge To Nowhere*

translation: FU Ketchikan, I'm taking that money and build a bridge to Wasilla instead:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/20...illion_oth.php

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Yeah but there is no need to worry about driving whales into extinction for a bridge nobody needs, cos the Rapture is on its way in her lifetime....

So there really is no need to worry about global warming, ecology, conservation or any of that stuff as Jesus is on his to sort it all out. And all power (i.e. funding/arms) to Israel's elbow too, cos the Rapture won't happen until the Promised Land is back in force.(She even has a little Israeli flag in her office, which is kind of bizarre for the Governor of a State that has barely any Jewish population at all.) So the sooner Israel is back to being the land as described in the Bible the sooner Jesus will be back amongst us. Or something. :confused:

I have no quarrel with Israel as long as they are not out to destroy Palestine (and vice versa, for that matter). But I am a tad worried by someone who might one day be responsible for policy decisions of one of the most powerful nations on earth - and one of the most heavily armed - believing vehemently that supporting Israel in whatever she does is the way to bring about the second coming, the Rapture and Armageddon.

She has every right to believe what she believes. Just don't let her anywhere near power over international affairs, for all our sakes. :eek: