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btw, before i beat this dead horse anymore, please listen to that mix i posted. that mix to me touches on dubstep but it's not a "dubstep" mix in my mind.

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a lot of people disagree with you. what was hip-hop before the first hip-hop records were made? what was dubstep before you heard about it? i presume neither existed.

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i know most of those tracks and they're fantastic. i've heard plenty of dubstep/techno crossover mixes and to me they sound like both. don't you think that is possible? the point is that dubstep itself is more than you think it is, not that everyone should realize Burial is more than dubstep (which is frankly obvious yet not mutually exclusive).

talking about where things are going is more interesting than talking about what things are not.

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find me a mix as good or better than the one i posted. i love that sound.

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yeah, no shit. i tend to want fewer genre titles. i prefer to call everything electronic music and then describe it from there w/r/t tempo, lyrics or not, and atmosphere. i'm not a huge fan of Minimal this, micro that, IDM, breakcore etc. Fewer genres is what we need. That's why i'd like to not shove Burial into what is fast becoming a very stale genre.


before hip hop there was gil scott heron and the Last Poets. it was called either jazz fusion or soul music.

dubstep before i heard of it...well, there was no time that i didn't know about it but we called it sublow or just instrumental grime.

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http://www.discogs.com/release/1009964

ZOMG. how can it be labelled both Breakbeat and Dubstep if the dubstep scene is vibing off it? someone call Discogs Moderator Hotline!

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http://www.discogs.com/release/829467

dubstep heads are vibing off that too. no mention of dubstep. so is T++ dubstep? it mixes with Dubstep and dubstep heads are diggin it/buying it/mixing it. so does that make it dubstep?

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i had a v. good dubstep v techno mix that i deleted to save space. blogariddims 24 and 26 are excellent (esp 26). that one you posted has the best tracklist i've seen in a while, though.

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you're very contradictory. on the one hand you want to do away with genres, on the other you use them to prove your unclear points.

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um. i think YES?!?!!!???!!?!?!!?!!!!!!

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Boxcutter - Sunshine VIP - Oneiric

what genre is that song?

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it sounded like dubstep the first time i heard it, and i was sad that more producers weren't exploring in the same way. are you done? :rolleyes:

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not quite done. what genre would you file Various Production under?

maybe i do have too narrow a definition of dubstep. i'm unsure now, but it's something i want to explore.

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i don't know. trip-hop? :P

a few tracks sound like grime--that "Hater" instrumental has been versioned and remixed by a number of grime artists. it makes sense, given the way it sounds.

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I've always sort of grouped Various Production into the whole 'dubstep' category / scene... but sort of in the way that Massive Attack & Tricky were 'trip hop' - yet at the same time very much not

I think as time has progressed, there was this really emphatic sense that you had to category each style of music within a box... not only to 'make it easy' to find specific sounds you'd want (as someone purchasing music) but also to give a sense of unique identity within each genre. Like, the producer now has a name/craft to identify with. (like, "I work with wooden furniture so I must be a carpenter")

but the only problem is - the categories got way way way way too specific, while musicians simultaneously started crossing genres (there's a clever quote that David Byrne said about this on "Sessions @ West 54th" a while back, but I forget it - I think I have that show recorded somewhere...)

and genre's - in general - have become pretty pointless. Like, how would you classify someone like Sebastian, Justice, or Digitalism? I've heard each of them described as "electro"... but they sound remarkedly different than to say - Tiefschwarz, Mylo, Two Lone Swordsmen, or even The Egyptian Lover & Afrika Bambaataa - who have also been classified as "electro"

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i think the only reason Various Production get grouped with dubstep is becasue dubstep gets name-dropped for no reason whenever critics write about them. but i agree, the micro-genre labels have become increasingly pointless, partly because it seems people are getting tired of it, and partly because the music itself doesn't seem to care too much. today there's a certain idea of "dubstep", "minimal", etc, but i think the names only stick because of a few broad musical qualities (low-end, crunchiness, etc) and the scenes that form around them. this can only be a good thing IMO :)

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Various are less dubstep to you than Burial? I completely disagree. alright, Various obv. do many diff. genres but they've also done tunes that are much closer to the sound of dubstep than Burial. guess what? Dubstep dj's vibe off/play Various cuts! i guess i would be OK with defining some songs of Burial's as dubstep but mostly his albums sound like Ambient albums that are influenced by 2step, dub and dnb. It's not that different to The Orb's first couple albums except when the Orb were making those records, the pillaged genres were diff; DnB and 2step had yet to happen so they took elements from other sources. if you're willing to say Various are not a dubstep artist for some of their songs being clearly outside the genre, why don't you make that distinction for Burial?


btw, i wouldn't describe Various to someone or label/file Various under Dubstep either. while they've made some Dubstep tunes, they're not so easily categorized. same as Burial in my book.

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balearic ???????:)

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that's fine, i don't really listen to Various and i've never heard them played out, so it's my personal dubstep mind that doesn't care. they may have made tracks that have archetypal dubstep qualities, but they don't have the same social-cultural-musical resonance that Burial has (not just for me but for everyone), even if none of his songs resemble the "standard dubstep template" as much as 1 or 2 Various songs. as far as "dubstep" goes, Various mean about as much to me as Squarepusher appeals to my junglist side (ie 0.1%).

i don't see what the point of making this distinction is. you say you aren't preoccupied with genre labels but you clearly are, insofar as they help you find the "truth" about what an artist's genre DNA is. fine if Burial sounds like ambient that has dnb in it, but RIGHT NOW he is also a dubstep artist making dubstep records that emerge from the dubstep scene. Mala draws from house and makes dubstep. ditto Loefah for hip-hop. what's the point? everything has the potential of sounding like such-and-such album that is influenced by such-and-such genres.

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certainly Burial isn't part of the Dubstep scene. he's going through great lengths to not be seen as coming from any camp. i think you are making a distinction between Burial and Various because you think Various is cheesy while Burial has cred. Various and Burial are both on the periphery of Dubstep. Neither deserves to be labelled Dubstep.

If you asked Burial what kind of music he makes do you think he'd say Dubstep?

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why do you have to come up with a personal issue that people have whenever they disagree with your musical opinions? i don't think Various is cheesy and i never said anything like that. Burial obviously DOES have cred; that's 50% of what i've been trying to say.

he is a pretty unique figure in that he & his music are based on being an observer/commentator on the scene, but they're also embraced by the scene.

i don't know. for this purpose, it doesn't really matter what he thinks. dubstep loves Burial and so he is a part of it. i do know that he himself is part of the dubstep scene, and that he adores El-B and DMZ productions, while being well aware his music isn't made for the dancefloor. i don't know what that all means wrt whether discogs.com should be able to give him a dubstep tag or not, and i don't care.

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The only song I really can't stand though, is Shell Of Light. track 10 on the album, just like Broken Home on the first album, which I can't stand either. What the fuck was he thinking.

For the rest, I'm enjoying it really much.

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i feel the same way about Shell of Light, it sounds like Charles Webster (who i like, but.........). still trying to get into it.

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so - I finally got the flac of the album off of bleep

and daaaaaamn

some of that bass is heavy

it's crazy how dependent the music is on having the audio in uncompressed format... and I feel it's much more noticeable on Burial's second album than on the first

I also finally got around to buying that "Mary Anne Hobbs - Warrior Dubz" compilation... I already had a good portion of the tracks on it, but there were some I either wanted in lossless (b/c I only had them in mp3) or still hadn't scored a copy of a couple of others

if there was only like... one club within the loose region around the midwest that played this shit, as the only chances I have to get a proper listen of that deep sub-bass is in my car or at my father's home on his magna-planar speakers

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Hey Kid Cue, as you seem to be the "expert" around here for this kind of music: I'm looking for an off tha hook, raw, hard grime set. I Luv U (sorry to give you this obvious example, I'm new to the music) kinda stuff. Loud crashing snares and aggressive rapping. And bass of course.

Do you know a good one?

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what's wrong with shell of light?

what wrong with any of it, actually

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yea - "Untrue" is a fabulous album, and it def much more cohesive of an album over the first one

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in 2007 it doesn't get any better than:

Fuck Radio 5

(Ghetto, Devlin, Griminal, Chipmunk, Lightning, Big Seac, et al on Ghetto's birthday)

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Yeah! What's wrong with Shell of light? i looove it. But i do love more the fainted female voice in Raver. Oh man, Untrue is such a HOT album.

But really, UK is the most beautiful thing.

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Thanks, been enjoying it. I'm finally getting into this shit.

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I noticed the source for the sample in "Endorphin". I was watching Silent Hill the movie yesterday(what a boring one I must say), and just at the end, on the last shot of the movie, the music starts with the "yeaaah yaa yeaaah".

Go check this out.

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haaaa how perfect is that that dude sampled from silent hill the movie? i think quite perfect.

i still just can't get over archangel. that track is amazing.

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just getting into this now.

really really impressive. a really cool dark vibe that doesn't take long to get really immersed in.

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he also sampled Aaliyah on "In McDonalds"

compare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwLldF8s_zc

(very last bit)

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Archangel (Leif remix)

baltimore bounce remix of Archangel. honestly, try it. i'm actually not sure which version is better.

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Well, this is quite a thread, and it seems Burial is highly praised, by critics and dirtyfans alike...
I finally listened in to some websamples of Burial and dubstep in general. Not sure i'm feeling it (yet). Seems sort of a souped-up version of the IDM craze from a few years back, when the more arythmic or off-beat the beat, the better. Surely a lot of effort goes into the programming, but imho, it's just the latest subgenre to make an underground splash, and if history holds, it won't have staying power. But then, maybe dubstep or whatever just isn't my cup-o-tea? Correct me where i'm wrong! :o

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so.. talking about Burial i heard Milanese..
what you guys think? i feel is like hard-core Burial.

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You're wrong. The difference between Burial / Dubstep and IDM is that Burial and Dubstep are fucking music, while IDM is stupid fucking lame poser shit that is rarely worth a fucking look.

Fuck I hate IDM.

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sub genre of a sub genre sorta thing imo.feeling "heartbroken" more !

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websamples = shitty sound quality = no bass
you really need to listen to burial in lossless

(or at the very least 320 kbps)
yes - it makes a difference