Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

Eikman doesnt even like Underworld. He's only here for shits and giggles.

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i only hope that the apparant debacle that this has become will not discourage uw to release cds (or 10 dollar copies off the net) of all their shows they now play live (that aren't at festivals i suppose).

the potentials!

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

yeah well, i can't say the movie is on top of my list....

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

Will there be more chances to buy this on eBay?

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these sings are selling like the proverbial hotcakes. I'd hardly call it a debacle!

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please people read the thread already! Yannick specifically said that there will be TWO batches of 50 to go around this time. The second one will come after the easter break (so that's next week). Sorry but all the info is there if you just look for it.

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I think it was clear from the very beginning that there was only a limited number of these discs made and that they were specifically meant to be sold at Electraglide. All subsequent events can be retraced to those two facts. I really don't see how you could have missed that, but if you did, fair enough. I guess it explains the way you reacted to the whole thing. You've allso been continuesly implying that people who managed to get this cd earlier had some kind of advance warning from secret sources which is just not true. Most of us were just lucky. It's not about things being easy to say. It's about this being the only possibly reaction. You have to wait for your chance because that's what everyone else did too. Soem people will always be at the right place and the right time when you are not. Another time it may be the other way around.

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

that all makes sense now except for one thing... if this was a limited batch or number of these how did they not sell out at the electraglide show?!?!?! unless they had more than the number of people there or no-one knew... but really, i'd be all over that

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i don't know how many people come to Electraglide, but i'm sure not every single one would have purchased the cd (although obviously some clever ones bought multiple copies). I seem to recall the original number that was made was something like 2000, but i'm not really sure about that.
In any case, there's leftovers, so grab 'em while you can ;)

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I am still stunned and amazed at the capacity for people to look a gift horse in the mouth.

Be grateful.


Edit: I need to put this whole thread on ignore - it really is getting bad for my blood pressure. ;)

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

The cds were made available to the visitors to electraglide only. Both tokyo and osaka. I heard that there were quite long queues to get them though. even though they were onsale at osaka, it was still the tokyo recording. Underworld/Electraglide had to make an estimate of how many people were likely to buy them and these are the ones left. Never intended to be sold anywhere else. I think so far at least 100 have been sold, probably a little more. If you check the ebay sellers IDs you'll see a lot of dirties there.

Another 50 will be available next week so keep an eye on the forums. Maybe even this thread :)

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

KoS cleared up a LOT for me. And again, I misunderstood where these cds were coming from. I still have some stuff to say though :P

I easily missed the fact that there was a limited number for the simple reason that UW said these would ONLY be sold at Electraglide. I assumed they were repressing the disc to sell to dirts due to the incredibly overwhelming response they had to this disc. To me, its THAT good. It blows away EE and that was a store release. Elec. is THE live set to have if you like UW live sets. Its also confusing as to Yan's involvement with UW these days, so its hard to tell if its Yan selling discs via dirty, or Yan selling discs via UW. I assumed it was Yan selling discs via UW as a means to distribute more sets to the public. At no time did i assume these were leftovers.

The original 10 that were on ebay, sold by mal and yan i guess, were purchased by people that had advanced warning. how else would they have known to check ebay?

Its a shitty feeling for the people (again, im NOT saying for me because i have the high quality mp3s and have been enjoying this show for months now) that wont get them due to whatever reason they cant get them. its only a gifthorse to the select few that get them.

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I know I had checked ebay a few times before I even knew about the ones here. I just searche dfor "underworld tokyo" hoping someone from japan may have an extra copy for sale. The few times one showed up, they usually sold for over $100 so I didn't get one. I did bid lower on a few though.

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

well, when the second batch goes for sale there will be over 100 copies sold primarily to dirts, so i don't think that quite classifies as a "select few". It is a gift horse in the sense that they are selling these cd's that were never originally intended to be sold outside of Electraglide in the first place.

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That is complete bollocks. I was in the chatroom at the time one of the guys discovered them by trawling through eBay as usual, and there were only about 6 left at that stage, so I dunno who got the first four. Those of us in the room who could buy one at the time bought one. To begin with we really doubted they were originals - we thought someone had bootlegged a whole load and was taking the piss, so we were a bit wary until we realised that it was Mal from Lemonworld who was selling them. Bear in mind also that it was UK postage only, so some serious organising of postal addresses had to be done for a couple of non-UK Dirts that were in the room. End of story. No "advanced warning", no "conspiracy theory", no "preferential treatment", just a lot of UW geeks chatting amongst themselves who suddenly saw them and thought Christmas had come round again quickly.

Karl had hinted on UW Live to keep an eye on eBay, but in any event, hardcore fans check eBay at least once a day for items, and it just so happened that they were there. Nobody tipped anybody the wink.

So instead of moaning, maybe you could check out the Forum and check out eBay for yourself instead of expecting everything to be delivered to you on a silver platter.

Sorry if I sound ratty, but this row has been going on and on since November when the recording was first announced, and it always seems to be the same people whining.

"Why can't we have the disc outside Japan?"
"Why should people be allowed to sell it on eBay for extortionate amounts?"
"Why should people not share the mp3s through Dirty?"
"Why was I not in/why was my radio not working/why did a snowplough hit my car and prevent me from hearing the gig when it was broadcast?"
"Why have they all got a copy of this and not me when I want one?"
"Why, now that there are 100 available (and still 50 to be released) have I still not got one?"
"It's all so unfair and is a conspiracy!"

Coincidentally, it seems to be the whiners that don't have the disc yet.

Karma? ;)

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

BB, this didnt stem from me not getting the discs, like i said, i have a wonderful person *wink* to thank for the mp3s and im not trying to say, "gimme my discs!"

this stemmed from MY impression that things were getting overly complicated, overly collectorish, and overly for people in-the-know. again, this is my impression. this is no disrespect to yan or stimp or anyone else because hell, dirty does so much as it is. hopefully i am wrong and just outside the loop here and thus, very misinformed.

and to the above quote... well duh :P
i bid on a set for well over $50US, before i had the mp3s. i really just want a set as a way to support uw. i dont care about collectors condition of music. no dust jackets or sealed display cases here. i like spending money on uw stuff. its quality.

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I can only speak for myself here. Let me state my side of things here, as you appear to believe that I have some inside knowledge. Karl made a message on his Underworldlive.com blog some time in late January I believe, about copies being made available on ebay and to watch ebay closely. Since that date thats what I did (I browse ebay regularly for Underworld stuff anyway). One day in February, about 4 or 5 pages in from my generic "Underworld" search I found the Tokyo CDs on sale by chance (they were on the 5th page back because it was ordered by Ending Soonest). There were 4 copies of the 10 left. So i got one (via my friend). In fact, I believe mark3 was one of the first people to get one and he is a big Underworld collector who probably browses eBay every day and it paid off.

Now check the disclaimer in my signature, a statement I made way back in January (and please stop insinuating that I have inside knowledge. No, no offence taken but I'm just making my point). I guess you're just out-of-the-loop or misinformed. You don't have to be though, but keeping an eye on announcements here and not jumping to conclusions helps. Yannick does have direct contact with Underworld and passes on instructions when necessary. He is not selling any of the Tokyo CDs personally. The CDs are whats left of the one and only pressing made for the fans in Japan. When they're gone, they're gone. Which is why I hope the people who want one and havent got one yet make that extra special effort next week and get one. If you get up on time, you WILL get one. Its took about 1 hour for the 50 to go this time.

Ok, I haven nothing more to say in this thread (until maybe next week when the next batch go onsale).

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

and again, it's been shown that you're wrong and you also dont pay very much attention. and you persist in re-iterating the same frustrations :confused:

damn, guy, just wait until after the weekend..

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i don't see how i was looking the gift horse in the mouth at all. i'm a very curious person, and like potatobroth (apparantly it is just the 2 of us) i was confused until basically KoS and stimpee's last few posts. it just didn't seem to make much sense going hidden like this etc, why they had only a hundred etc etc.

some of us didn't know and m aybe would have liked to know BB, and ya, if your blood pressure is getting high i don't personally like (or thing) that it is PB's or my fault...

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

Try reading the forum then - everything has been worked over time and time and time again for months now.

Here...

Here...

and here...

And people keep asking the same questions time and again, and people keep getting the same answers time and again, but it just doesn't seem to sink in somehow. Maybe because some people just have an idea fixed in their head and just can't seem to take it in if it doesn't fit with their false conceptions.

So maybe some people think that by moaning on and on about this and picking holes in everything that is being done that it will somehow change reality?

I dunno. You tell me.

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Just to add a little info here. Please read this on the official Electraglide site about the Underworld recording:

http://www.electraglide.info/en_html/news/uw2.html

Of particular note, "The 3CD set will only be made available to fans who have attended Electraglide 2005 and will not be available at any other time or from any other source."

The "hoops" I had to jump through to get this set were really very minor in consideration of the fact that this set was really only supposed to be available to people who attended the show. I did not have to go to Japan for the show, nor did I have to pay an exorbitant amount to someone who did make them part with their one copy (note the "one 3CD set per person" limitation).

Yes, you have to make some effort to get one. I even wrote a script that scraped the eBay pages every minute and paged me when one showed up. But for such a super limited set with such a great quality recording, it was worth the effort to me.

I am grateful every time I play it that the band made these leftovers available at original list price (approx. $30US), under the table, to the super hardcore fans. I'm tired of hearing complaints that the whole thing is so confusing and convoluted. If you actually put a little effort into it, it's not that hard. And right now, it's not exactly rocket science to get one:

1. Yannick posts that 50 copies will be available first-come, first-served on eBay at a fixed price at a specific time.
2. You log on to eBay at said time and purchase one.

I mean, how hard is that?

Finally, as to the number pressed, I had heard 7500 copies from somewhere, but don't remember where or if that source is reliable.

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I’ve been reading this thread and… suddenly I feel in a writing mood…

Back in the very end of the 70’s to the beginning of the 80’s I was living in a small town in the south west of France (not the best place in the world at the time to get music from the UK…). I remember the fights to get some (old) copies of the NME or the Melody Maker (quite expensive for me at the time) just to be aware of what was out or newly released. Then, when I knew what I wanted, it was another fight to have this or that being found, ordered & delivered to the small town record shop where they didn’t even know the names of the bands (also, I had to convince a minimum of 4 other people for buying the same vinyls, as the record company or the distributor would not take the order for less than 5 copies…)

This process was lasting very long, I remember waiting sometimes months to finally get a, for instance, some records by New Order or Depeche Mode, or even a 12’’ by an obscure band called… Freur.

When I was lucky, there was a gig 2 or 300 kms away from my place, and after hours of negotiations with my parents (and if I had the money…) I was sometimes allowed to go to the gig… I don’t even speak about how to get the tickets in these times.

Once a year, I could manage to go to Paris (900 kms from where I lived), for 2 or 3 days, where were the only record shops where I could buy “easily” what I wanted (well…if they were not sold out). A goldmine for me but for the price of gold… and I was soooo happy.

And sometimes, in some open air marketplaces, some weird people were selling in a kind of hidden way (from the back of a car…) some bootlegs on these C90 tapes with a sound quality that would be called now inaudible.

In this time, fax machines, mobiles phones, laptops, internet & mp3 were just sci-fi, but if I remember well, the earth was not inhabited only by dinosaurs back then...

So, time changed a bit. I’ll write now about a band called Underworld, with its kind of community of superfans mainly here, in this board. This band, Underworld, in the last few months, updated their site, gave us hours of music (studio or live), were kind enough, just in case some people missed it, to re-upload in their site some “pre 2005 archive”, gave us also images (moving or fixed), made webcasts for us from their studio or even from gigs (and some of the webcasts were apparently very uneasy to settle…), and also… mmm?… we, the superfans, had to pay the tremendous amount of 10£ to get nearly 54 minutes in two parts of completely new and amazing music… and what else?… ah, yes, two batches of gigs in Europe and Japan, during which, minimum once every gig, Karl shouted something nice for the superfans, for listening, downloading, buying RRP or just being there… and?... also quite every day in their home page (and/or in the member section) there are few words or even sentences directly addressed to us, and not always in a cryptic way (anyway, just in case someone misses it, some people in this board is, generally right after, “decoding” it, repeating it, “did you see?”, “did you check it?”, “did you get?” etc etc… well, just in case, indeed… generally people with more than 500 posts… very easy to find…).

About the “Live in Tokyo” cd set, I remember I read Karl’s sentence about keeping an eye on eBay, and few time after I read here that the cds appeared. Believe it or not, but at the time, I never ever went on eBay. So, reading that the cds were there, I registered, struggled a bit with this paypal thing, of course I missed the 1st batch, then made a mistake with something I don’t know and apparently bought 2 sets instead of 1, someone instantly in this board wrote me that this wasn’t fair, I apologised, cancelled (or tried to…) my double order, missed another batch, tried again successfully and… finally received an email by Danielle saying that she’ll be very happy to send me the famous cd set in few days… which I got 3 days after, 27th February… I really believe that if somebody like me (a “n00b” if I learned well from this board) could get this cd set, everybody could have done the same, easily.

I’m buying music since 1975 (I was 10, and my 1st record was Kraftwerk’s Autobahn) and I can’t imagine spending one day without listening music, working or not. But I never saw or heard any band as close, nice and careful with their fans than Underworld, neither saw anything as fantastic as a gig by these people, and here by Underworld, I don’t speak only about R&K, but also about Danielle, Mike, Mal, Yannick and some other I probably don’t know, official or unofficial (including the “nearly-2000-posts-ones” in this board and a few others here…), and to these people I can’t imagine saying anything else than : a million thanks to make all this easy and possible, and for being so kind (and sometimes patient, I guess...). Nothing else, really.

So, reading this thread (and a few other occasionally…) I’m balancing between being very disappointed to utterly mad, and I can even feel a bit ashamed about what the people I named above could think when reading some of the posts here… maybe probably that they should do the only thing they didn’t do yet, like : putting the cds in a bag with few beers, taking a car, a train or a plane, and deliver the cds personally and only in each superfan hands and, of course, having a nice chat with him/her for an hour or so in front of a pint. Probably…

I hope this post was not too long… but even if I like Moaner a lot, moaners, sometimes, drive me mad… maybe I’m too old, or coming from a period where the words “easy”, “now”, “quick” or “click” were not very familiar in matters like gathering infos and acquiring music… Don’t know…

Thanks to everybody happy to read and write posts here, not complaining or moaning too much and re-reading their posts before saving them, imagining what these nice people at uwlive could feel when reading here.

VoilÃ*.


Ps : hope my English is not too poor… boring with a post that length…:confused:

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

LOCK THREAD

well said MG.

LOCK THREAD!

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

That's not in the first post. I'm not going through a bunch of bullshit replies to find pertinent information. If there were meant to be two batches, ALL the information should have been in the first post. C'mon. This thread is huge!

Stop being so elitist. And thanks for the answer. ;)

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

listen, if you don't read, that's what you get.
now shaddup and get your bid war face on.

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

another one too lazy to get his info straight. It's not in the first post no. But it is in Yannick's second post (first post on page two!) that contains all the actual details of the ebay auction. I guess if you missed that, you missed the whole thing anyway :rolleyes:

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WOOOO MINE TURNED UP TODAY SHAZIT LISTENING NOW OMGWTF1111ONEONEONEETC

Nice as it is to have the CDs, anyone who doesn't have them isn't missing out on 'artwork' etc. It's three discs with a single card insert, tracklisting available from underworldlive.com. Grab the mp3s if you can, best of luck with the next batch if you still want one!

Big thanks to Yann, Mal and anyone else who made this happen though.

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Well maybe the reams of info this thread now contains will serve well to keep any future 'secret' ebay listings this way. Anyone who can be bothered to keep abreast of developments and actually read what's been posted here had as much chance as anyone of getting this release and hopefully anyone simply wanting to resell at huge profit will have been kept at bay.

Plus, I'VE GOT MINE. Feel free to drop by mine and perform oral sex on me (to the wumpty bassline of Yard Beat if you like).

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

Sooooooo

Now, not only do I have 1/2 off Easter candy to look forward to after this weekend, but a chance to get my copy.

Cough up the info. Yannick.

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

i wouldn't mind some info on the next batch :)

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

by the way,
if anyone thinks there going to miss the
auction..

there are plenty of free sniper software,
and bidding sites, that let you enter the
information ahead of time..

so you don't actually have to be up at
the time the auction starts...however
you'll want to set the auction bidding
close to the start, since the auctions
tend to be over rather quickly..

later
-1

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

good point, but i think you are making it too easy for these moany bastards ;)

they'll be wanting links next and then for you to do it for them...

let them work for their CD's like we had to ;)

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Heheh... you have no idea why I was asking. I don't even plan to bid. Thanks for the info again! If you were really bothered about my (not) reading the thread, you should just tell me to read it and not give me the answer yourself. Even pissing people off pays off. :D

And sorry, that wasn't my intention. I just don't have the elitist mentality that a lot of you have. I tend to answer questions when asked, not bitch at people. Back to lurking.... :(

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

I think, in all fairness to KoS, a lot of people are a bit fed up with the moaning that has been going on about these CD's since day one, and the constant questioning and requestioning of UW's motives, when all they are trying to do is keep the fans as happy as possible - see my earlier post for the number of threads that there has been on the subject of these CDs, and the amount of whining that has gone on about them since November. 5 months. It's getting exasperating now.

And unfortunately your question about the discs being sold in two batches, and "why wasn't it announced in the first place" came across as more of the same. So, unfortunately, in the scheme of things, you were tarred by the same brush.

Nothing elitist about it. As Stimpee has said before, none of us have a red telephone that lights up when Rick and Karl ring, we just glean our information from others, or speculate, or apply logical reasoning while trying to avoid conspiracy theory, and mostly we are right.

So no - no elitism here. Just some people who are tired of all the backbiting. :)

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

just my tuppence. these cds are collectors items really, therefore i would say there is definately something about them that is elitest.

but the way i see it, elitism isnt necessarily a bad thing....

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

As long as you're one of the elite. :p

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

the loch ness monster doesn't need no elite.

Re: ebay tokyo cd's to be listed tomorow..
 

The Loch Ness Monster r l33t all his own. :p

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imagine for just one moment, that you of all people didn't get one. now imagine that you were one of the people that didn't have all the info sorted out prior to these auctions. i dont think the word moany would be too far off. and as for working for the cd's, that precisely what i meant about being convoluted. to all of your praise though, i admitted that i had all sorts of information incorrectly understood and i apologized for that part of it.

but from my point of view, these cds were being repressed(reburned?) so that the dirts that wanted them could get them. when you post a thread that solely says, "which dirts want these cds" thats how i take it. thus, my general confusion with why we had to go the ebay route. then i was told - in this very thread - that the only reason we went the ebay route was to deter resellers which contradicts listing the auction names as some random string of numbers -- deterring nothing! its been a confusion for me, and feel free to attack me (not you BSS :)) for being "another one too lazy to get his info straight." (which btw, is kinda insulting, dontcha think?) but it happens. i was confused on a few points here that just weren't cleared up in this thread, maybe they were in dirtychat or rtsr, but certainly not here until hours before the auctions started.

so when people have questions, just give them clear answers instead of sending them off to decypher the same confusing stuff that i errantly tried to.