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<P>In between all the samples posted, and previews, there's not really a point in getting it early, since it will be released shortly.

Most bands post streaming versions and put up samples on YouTube also. That is the reality of this day and age.

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yeah, well NOW there's no real point but i wouldn't have minded listening to the extra material a week or two early. i have the vinyl and box set preordered but who knows how long they will take to get here. until then, there is always Spotify.

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Was just able to download 320 MP3s of the album bundled with my Super Deluxe order!

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Nice!
I ordered Super Deluxe and the LP through US Amazon Prime, and it's coming to my place tomorrow. I'm extremely looking forward to listening to it.

Also on the UK iTunes store, all the songs are up to check out 90 second previews.

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/se...s/id1034124502

I only listened to 'Confusion the Waitress', and the update sounds really good even through my laptop speakers. I notice everything sounds more spacious.

Jason

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It's up on spotify. If you don't pay for premium (which you should it's a fantastic service) you'll have to do it on shuffle.

https://play.spotify.com/album/5lATS8kbZZub29Q3mGyNiB

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Arrived this morning. Thank you HMV. Download code for Wavs and mp3s...

What stands out immediately is how different the atmospherics are to dubnobass... I'm no expert but it sounds like computer music not like a band, if that makes any sense, something missing on first listen, but I'm going to let to grow.

The born slippy disk so far is something of wonder. I'm sure it will get boring quickly but wow, that song obviously such a jam of elements, I hope there is some narration for the disk that is coming.

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Ps: Live version of Nuxx are just super. If Underworld have the full recording of Leicester and Zap, they should really really consider sticking them onto iTunes or their own servers to we can buy them.

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Super Delux is out on Apple Music. Haven't gotten my box yet, but Bug sounds like Dubno era Mother Earth song. Almost like Part two.

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This sounds so good I can barely contain my excitement. It's like hearing it for the first time all over again.

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WHOA.....30 GBP for shipping to the US!?!! Want to support the band, but this time guess I'll be ordering from Amazon. :(

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The 20th anniversary remaster of Second Toughest in the Infants is released today!

If you purchase it using one of our affiliate links below, Born Dirty will get a small commission from the retailer. It's a way to support the running of this site, at no cost to you. (iTunes links will be available in a couple days.)

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Remastered Album
1x CD: Amazon UK, Amazon US
2x LP vinyl: Amazon UK, Amazon US
Digital: iTunes UK, Amazon MP3 UK, iTunes US, Amazon MP3 US

Disc 1 - Remastered Album
1. Juanita: Kiteless: To Dream Of Love
2. Banstyle / Sappys Curry
3. Confusion the Waitress
4. Rowla
5. Pearl’s Girl
6. Air Towel
7. Blueski
8. Stagger


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Deluxe Edition
2x CD: Amazon UK, Amazon US
Digital: iTunes UK, Amazon MP3 UK, iTunes US, Amazon MP3 US

Includes Disc 1 and
Disc 2: Singles, B sides, Remixes
1. Cherry Pie
2. Oich Oich
3. Puppies
4. Mosaic
5. Deep Arch
6. Pearl’s Girl (Tin There)
7. Pearl’s Girl (14996 Version)
8. Born Slippy (Original Instrumental Version)
9. Born Slippy.Nuxx (Deep Pan)


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Super Deluxe Box Set
4x CD: Amazon UK, Amazon US
Digital: iTunes UK, Amazon MP3 UK, iTunes US, Amazon MP3 US

Includes Discs 1, 2, and
Disc 3: previously unreleased material
1. Bug
2. Confusion The Waitress (She Said)
3. D+B Thing
4. D’Arbly St
5. 4 Crowns
6. Rowla A1806
7. Bing Here
8. Techno Thang
9. Pearls Ver2
10. Bloody 1

Disc 4: Born Slippy (Nuxx) evolution – unreleased demos, live recordings
1. Nuxx A1796
2. Nuxx A2221 UW live (2 sets) Leicester M Dog 94
3. Nuxx A4712 Live @ Zap club Brighton Feb94
4. Nuxx A4733 UW live Amsterdam Apr94
5. Nuxx Liquid Room 94 A2254 UW Live Liquid Room 2 Tokyo
6. Nuxx from A1825
7. Born Slippy (Nuxx)

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i wish i had seen your links 5 seconds ago.

but the super deluxe on the US itunes has it for $18.44 and amazon has it for $18.99.

i checked amazon first, but the link for the mp3 didn't show up for some reason.

there are copies of the boxset going for about $80-$85 also.

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Yeah, I'm super-late on getting those links out there. And it's going to be a couple more days before our new iTunes affiliate account is approved.

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i'm seeing this a 'techno thang' on itunes and amazon, so i guess that's going to be the name of the track.

by the way, ITUNES (which sucks) completely messes up the track titles and truncates a lot of the song names.... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...


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I'd like to thank HMV for sending me the superduper version for the bargain price of £27.99

Now. Did anyone notice a major announcement on 24th November?

I think... tour.

Did I say that loudly enough... TOUR?

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Just curious, what does that mean?

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Basically, if you buy the album using our affiliate links (above), Born Dirty gets a small kickback (a couple percent) from the retailer (at no extra charge to you). It's a way to support the operation of this site.

Our iTunes affiliate account expired, so I have to set it up again, which will take a couple days, before I can generate new iTunes links.

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oh, that's pretty cool.
maybe I can wait, still kicking myself for missing the hmv bargain.

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Announcementnis likely to be the play karl teased in his diary a few days ago. Somethingnto do with can you hear me?

Current highlight is the ambiance in banstyle/sappys curry around the 5:45 to 6 minute mark. It's soooooo clear. Just gorgeous.

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Being discussed here already

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I'm really digging the vocal version of 'Rowla'

is it just me, or does it also sound vaguely familiar ... did they ever play it live (but with different lyrics)? Like during the pre-Beaucoup Fish tour... I remember Karl singing about a badger...

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i just came back from HMV and... the boxset wasn't there.

the north american release date is for the 18th of december

i feel like a very sad pudu right now (if such thing exists).

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Amazon.ca says Nov. 27. Not sure why Canada's later. It's out in the US today.

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it's weird. i saw the date in the computer at my local HMV and it did say december 18th. i wonder if they're importing the boxset from the UK...

hope the date was wrong though...

Re: Second Toughest In The Infants Deluxe/Super Deluxe 2015
 

I got my boxset and vinyl order through Amazon Prime today here in Arizona. Love the packaging, new art work and essay.

Jason

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Just did a headphone listen and I am sure "they did not go back and use old midi files" to make this a master recording a masterpiece like the dubno version. Also still the annoying noise at the beginning of the songs (Confusion The Waitress / Juanita). In a remaster like this, this should have been removed?

Although I am very happy with the louder volume, compared with the Dubno it does not justify the high price.

But hé, it's Underworld right ;-)

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It sounds like an early version of Something like a mama to me.

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Have to admit this is exactly how I feel about the album remaster. None of the wow moments that came with the Dubno remaster. The Super Deluxe packaging mentions that it was remastered by Miles ??? at Abbey Road. No mention of Rick at all. It certainly feels to me like your standard remaster job.

A missed opportunity I fear, but then we can't have everything. They've been touring a lot in the meantime and working on new material. Which would we rather have? Still, I think I'd have preferred them to do the full job on this album in the future rather than put it out now to meet a schedule / anniversary date.

Phil

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i went ahead and ordered it from amazon in the US, for a decent price.

should be here next week.

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More thoughtful review forthcoming but after just listening to it all evening in a drive through LA, the album sounds as good as it ever did. I'm not sure what the remaster achieved besides loudness and some clarity, but the Dubnobass remaster was like listening to a completely new album.

But as with the Dubnobass reissue, the artwork for STITI is dreadful. I do not understand this impulse to repackage their iconic albums in totally new artwork. They did a pretty cool thing by highlighting certain words from Savage's text and later making them the titles of pieces, but it just does not fit this record. I would love to have seen the true Dubnobass and STITI artwork in these deluxe formats. Alas.

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I was totally surprised to hear the vocodered words confusion the waitress in the track... How did I miss that for years ?

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Compared to DubNoBass, it's a bit skimpy... then again, both the superdeluxe of DubNo and SecondToughest are missing *several* released tracks (Where's "Carp Dreams... Koi", "Banstyle (remix)", and "Juanita, Short Cut"?).

Musically, I've just paid for one CD of unreleased stuff and a CD of frustratingly tantalising excepts from stonking live recordings. They could've filled out the set with a double CD of just one of the shows of the several we know exist ("European Club Gig", Amsterdam, Tokyo, Leicester, Glasgow) which would have made it a 6CD set worthy of the price tag.

Also, like DNB, there's not a DVD to finally put "Kiteless" into the digital world. My VHS is knackered now.

The artwork? It's just a fancy Tomato book thats quite expensive, and no use in terms of information or anything worth a second read. The individual Tomato books ("Mmmm SKyscraper" and "Bareback") are much better.

God, but not great. Still, "Bloody 1" is GREAT. Sure they played something like it live when I saw them in the 90's.

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Is there any info on the process involved in the remaster of ST or DNB? I'm a nerd and would like to read about the old technology that needed to be wrestled to get this together. Cheers

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here's a brief bit:

http://www.complex.com/music/2014/10...dman-interview
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What was it like for you and Rick to remaster the album at Abbey Road of all places?

Ah, that was Rick's job. He's fantastic at getting the sound just right. I love the way he hears things and have total faith in him when it comes to the sound of our records. It was a huge job as most of the original record was recorded on 12 track tape and a lot of the instruments had to be re-recorded because the old keyboards & samplers no longer worked. He even had to track down an old 12 track tape machine that worked in order to transfer the old master recordings—it was an extremely painful process for him by all accounts and I didn't see him for months!

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Just spent a bit of time catching up on a bunch of posts about the new Remaster Release. A lot of interesting comments!

Was really delighted to hear that they were getting this out a bit earlier than 2016.. hopefully they will probably do the same for the other releases up to AHDO and have one a year from now.

I picked the Super Deluxe up today in Tower Dublin and I must say I am delighted with the package. The book with essay and art is fantastic and I love how the coloured Super Deluxe box works as a set with Dubno box from last year.. it must be just the first two parts of a series as they remaster the rest of the albums. The artwork on the box has only changed for the Super Deluxe releases.. the single and double cd releases and the vinyl has stayed the same.. so I don't see the issue with having something new and special from Tomato for the Super Deluxe.. I love Tomato's work and the more they release the better!

A lot of people have commented on how it does not sound/feel as special as the Dubno release but I feel that this is a different beast altogether. I would say Rick wanted to give Dubno the attention it deserved considering how ground-breaking the album was for dance music in general. Hence the year spent remastering it and the subsequent world tour of the album. STITI deserves to be remastered but I'd prefer Rick take a step back and focus on new material while someone else give STITI a general remaster with his supervision - we cant get into a cycle of reliving the past while UW has so much more to give in the future!

STITI is a fantastic album, it is my personal favourite. IMO, while Dubno was the revolutionary breakout experiment that helped shape dance and techno music for decades to come, STITI is the first "settled" Underworld album where they express a consistency and honesty in their sound that accurately reflected their live show and experimental nature. No more UW#1 hangovers... this is full on UW#2 no holds barred... and it is glorious!

Yes, I know a lot of us here have heard a ton of disc 2 before through various sources but everyone is quick to forget that there is a world of UW fans who don't spend their time seeking that stuff out.. the 2 disc set will expose that music to a ton of new people which I think is great as I remember fondly the first times I listened and danced to many of the b-sides and demos from this era. So try to put it in perspective... this is a huge amount to release for the world to hear... not just us at BornDirty! :)

My favourite bits so far:

Always good to enjoy the original Born Slippy (far superior)
The full disc of NUXX is a bit much, but it is cool to hear high quality recordings of a lot of the samples they use live when improvising. I find it more interesting than enjoyable.

Pearl's Version 2 has an awesome 4 to the floor touch half way through which I love.. They do that when jamming live before seg-waying into another track.. always gets me going. It also has a touch of the 1996 european gig which is always a good thing :)

The vocal version of Rowla is really different.. great fresh perspective on it.

D & B Thing is what I feel the essay in the Book is getting at in terms of the sounds and feelings they were living with at the time. That breakbeat sound has a huge effect on the album as a whole and while I can see why this track never went to the full release it has so much in there that is like a blueprint for the album.. really fun and adventurous.

Tin Pearl is my new "I'm in a rush get out of my fucking way" song... love it.

Overall I am delighted I cashed out for this.. I love this era of Underworld and I think this collection captures it well :)

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I am a HUGE geek when it comes to making playlists, ie. putting them all together in order of release (and since there's a whole CD + the .Nuxx cuts of unreleased material, in order of recording). Would anyone here be able to help me with this? The ones I'm having the hardest time plugging into any semblence of order would be the following (although 3 and 4 of the .Nuxx album were most helpful in putting in the date):

Thanks in advance for any assistance with this...

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So I made a list of everything that was released in the STITI era that was NOT included on this release. As noted above, .Telematic, Carp Dreams....Koi, and the Extended Versions of Rowla and Confusion The Waitress weren't included :mad:

Anyway, here's the full list:

Banstyle (Alex Reece Mix) 05:39
Born Slippy .TELEMATIC 09:39
Born Slippy .NUXX (Short II) 03:45
Born Slippy .NUXX (Short I) 04:23
Born Slippy .NUXX (Darren Price Remix) 06:28
Born Slippy .NUXX (Darren Price Remix 2) 08:09
Confusion The Waitress (Remix) 07:32
Juanita (Promo Short Cut) 03:49
Pearl's Girl (Short Version) 03:50
Pearl's Girl (Radio Edit) 04:22
Pearl's Girl (Short) 04:25
Pearl's Girl (Tin There) (Edit Version) 05:00
Pearl's Girl (Tin There) (CDROM Version) 06:05
Pearl's Girl (Carp Dreams... Koi) 10:05
Rowla (Long Version) 08:40

I added them all up, and they total 91.51. If you took out the 2 Darren Price Remixes of .Nuxx (which are still available readily on the .Nuxx Maxi-Single release), they could have easily fit everything else onto another disc. While I do appreciate what was put on the 4CD release, it would have been nice (as one who's a completist) to have better copies of these tracks (not all of which I have, either).

*sighs* Oh, well, maybe we can get requests in for rare tracks off of BF that should get put on the Super Deluxe of that release (thinking of the Italian KoS CD in particular).

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Yeah, but a lot of that is redundant. I don't see the point including multiple shorter edits when the full track is already included.
I would have liked to have seen these released though, and they would all fit on one CD:

Juanita (Promo Short Cut) 03:49
Rowla (Long Version) 08:40
Confusion The Waitress (Remix) 07:32
Pearl's Girl (Carp Dreams... Koi) 10:05
Banstyle (Alex Reece Mix) 05:39
Born Slippy .TELEMATIC 09:39
Born Slippy .NUXX (Darren Price Remix) 06:28
Born Slippy .NUXX (Darren Price Remix 2) 08:09

If they release all the remixes for BF, it will be like a 9 disc boxset. completionists should expect disappointment

i also never heard Karl say "confusion the waitress" in the song before. i have heard it on the old versions, but i never understood what he was saying or that he was actually saying words.

overall, i am very happy with the remaster.
boxset is a little pricey for what it is though.
also not a huge fan of the new pink artwork.

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First release where most of the remixes are by other artists though, so I don't mind if they leave most of them off. I do hope they include some of the vinyl only remixes though, like Push Adam Beyer Remix 2 and the unedited versions of the Jumbo remixes. Oh, and maybe a proper release for the Bruce Lee Hype & Zinc remix?

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Cheers for this list. Any way to link out where to find these on discogs if they're not obvious?

Also did you make one for Dubno? :)