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Deckard 03-21-2008 10:16 AM

Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2008
 
The date: September 11, 1998
The venue: The White House
The occasion: Bill Clinton's high-profile, televised repentance event with nationally prominent ministers, avowing that he'd prayed and prayed and was changing his tawdry ways.

Oh and who's this shaking Bill's hand?

*snap!*

I don't particularly like this tactic of strategic photo leaks as attack, but I'd say this one fits safely in the defence category. What it does is show that Wright, despite those views (before or after), was nonetheless a fairly well-respected man of the cloth. Which is the very point currently being missed by so many people as they lap up the Wright=all bad, and Obama=Wright bullshit being pumped out by the networks.

Wha..?
Another Rev Wright besides the 'God Damn America' nutcase?
I can hear the minds of millions of voters popping at this very second....

Sean 03-21-2008 10:30 AM

Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2008
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Deckard
The date: September 11, 1998
The venue: The White House
The occasion: Bill Clinton's high-profile, televised repentance event with nationally prominent ministers, avowing that he'd prayed and prayed and was changing his tawdry ways.

Oh and who's this shaking Bill's hand?

*snap!*

I don't particularly like this tactic of strategic photo leaks as attack, but I'd say this one fits safely in the defence category. What it does is show that Wright, despite those views (before or after), was nonetheless a fairly well-respected man of the cloth. Which is the very point currently being missed by so many people as they lap up the Wright=all bad, and Obama=Wright bullshit being pumped out by the networks.

Wha..?
Another Rev Wright besides the 'God Damn America' nutcase?
I can hear the minds of millions of voters popping at this very second....

Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about this yet. I think Obama or his campaign needs to make a statement clarifying that the picture is just meant to establish that Wright was widely accepted and respected as a leader in the church by many people, including President Bill Clinton. Basically that this shows that there was more to the man than just controversial rants.

Deckard 03-21-2008 10:55 AM

Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2008
 
Yes precisely, though I fear the thought process of the intellectually challenged (I'm sorry, I say that with no arrogance intended) will be a typical exercise in us vs them / win vs lose simple tribalism. It will go something like this...

1) Obama is trying to link Clinton to Wright.
2) But Clinton was never as close to Wright as Obama was.
3) Therefore Obama loses.

Will be interesting to see how this one pans out, whether the important points to draw from it are broadly lost on people, and how Obama himself responds.

Strangelet 03-21-2008 02:08 PM

Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2008
 
ok this simply rocks the beat that rocks the party. Guess who's backing up Obama in the wake of the Wright affair? I mean besides Bill Richardson?

Mike Huckabee.
And one other thing I think we've gotta remember. As easy as it is for those of us who are white, to look back and say "That's a terrible statement!"...I grew up in a very segregated south. And I think that you have to cut some slack -- and I'm gonna be probably the only Conservative in America who's gonna say something like this, but I'm just tellin' you -- we've gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told "you have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can't sit out there with everyone else. There's a separate waiting room in the doctor's office. Here's where you sit on the bus..."
And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me.
WOW

this along with his beautiful resignation speech, I think this guy's pretty cool.

Deckard 03-21-2008 02:34 PM

Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2008
 
I'd second that, despite how fundamentally I disagree with him on certain things.

Not many Republicans would have agreed with that, let alone felt it worth their while speaking out about.

(< God that grammar was painful)

Strangelet 03-21-2008 02:50 PM

Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2008
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Deckard
I'd second that, despite how fundamentally I disagree with him on certain things.

Not many Republicans would have agreed with that, let alone felt it worth their while speaking out about.

(< God that grammar was painful)

oh yeah I'm glad he's not president. but jesus this really opens a wide open chasm in the hannity game plan. And like he says, hate the sin, not the sinner ;)

I would like other politicians, even ones with something still to gain in this election to also come forward against this smear.

cacophony 03-21-2008 03:36 PM

Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2008
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Strangelet
this along with his beautiful resignation speech, I think this guy's pretty cool.

yeah, the beautiful resignation speech where he quoted almost continuously form the bible and spoke eloquently about the need to completely remove all legal access to safe abortions?

yes, it was so beautiful.

Strangelet 03-21-2008 03:54 PM

Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2008
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Strangelet
I would like other politicians, even ones with something still to gain in this election to also come forward against this smear.

hmmm. i see that's not going to happen.

Quote:

Adding a bit of fuel to the political fire, Bill Clinton made a bizarre comment on Friday, leaving the impression that he believed Barack Obama's patriotism would be a general election issue.

MSNBC is reporting that on the campaign trail today in Charlotte, North Carolina, the former president said a general election matchup between his wife, Sen. Clinton, and Sen. John McCain would be between "two people who love this country" without "all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

Strangelet 03-21-2008 03:54 PM

Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2008
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cacophony
yeah, the beautiful resignation speech where he quoted almost continuously form the bible and spoke eloquently about the need to completely remove all legal access to safe abortions?

yes, it was so beautiful.

biting my lip. hard. ouch.

Strangelet 03-22-2008 10:29 AM

Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2008
 
this election is un fucking believable. I am blown away everytime i catch up on the news.

Today: Chris Wallace of Fox News goes on TV to put his own network to task for their blatant smear. I mean this is drama, folks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiIK8jh3ZCE


the looks on the fox anchors are priceless


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