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Originally Posted by Sean

A little pricey, but here are some...

I got this a while ago from eBay for cheap! :D Thanks for letting me know though.

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Originally Posted by kid cue

thanks so much for the breakdown Erick. picked up the SunnO))) today and love it!!

my metalhead friend is old-school and recommends: Anathema, My Dying Bride, Paradise Lost.

These bands are more gothic sounding, keyboard heavy, simphonic like...usually they are not my cup of tea. I tend to like metal that sound gritty and dirty. :cool:

I was reading a very nice blog today that covers Black Metal (and dubstep!) among other stuff. Definetely made from an outsider's perspective rather than a militant black metal fan.
http://surrealdocuments.blogspot.com

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The low quality of Black Metal production values is proverbial - flat, harsh, raw, tinny, trebly, thin, hissy and fuzzy are some of the adjectives for the production used by both detractors and aficionados of the genre. On this site, a Black Metal fan answers his own rhetorical question: "But what would a black metal album be without low production values? Not a black metal album".

that's a good blog. thanks for the linkage.

there's a lot being written about the similarities between metal and dubstep ... a lot of the connections & comparisons seem tenuous to me. they're both genres that take themselves very seriously, and they're dark and moody, and they both suit the present day. the whole discourse being perpetrated on the blogosphere is pretty annoying b/c it seems so damn trendy. whatever.

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Originally Posted by kid cue

there's a lot being written about the similarities between metal and dubstep ... a lot of the connections & comparisons seem tenuous to me. they're both genres that take themselves very seriously, and they're dark and moody, and they both suit the present day. the whole discourse being perpetrated on the blogosphere is pretty annoying b/c it seems so damn trendy. whatever.

It is very trendy, from reading Simon Reynold's blog it seems he started that whole thing. Besides the "dark" aesthetics (and some very tenious connections that some dubsteb artists like metal and made some mashup or something, which means nothing really) they are actually quite opposite subcultures.

Honestly I jumped the gun when I said that this blog covers dubstep anyways, as I've only seen an entry about it, the rest of the blog is a very well informed commentary on darkness, art and philosophy with metal being part of it. Excellent read, essential for anyone interested philosophical inspiration behind the music.

what do you mean by 'opposite subcultures' ?
i'm really curious. i wish i could have a discussion about dubstep vs. metal with my metalhead friend, but he only really cares to talk about metal -_-

they both seem to be fiercely loyal scenes, and euphorically physical in a live context.

as far as dubstep metal 'mashups', are you talking about the Vex'd/Distance set? Vex'd really are into metal, particularly grindcore, and Distance's stuff is arguably more metal than the stuff that inspired him (Korn et al). not to mention The Bug, who's always drawn from metal and has just lately been making dubstep.

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as far as dubstep metal 'mashups', are you talking about the Vex'd/Distance set?

Need....download....link.......!!!!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/etii7w

it's not a mashup per se .. just a mini-DJ set of their tunes + some metal. there is a great Vex'd track ("Nails") chopping up metal sounds though --

> > > Sunn 0))) - "Sin Nanna"
> > John Richards ft Genia- "Suite No 2 for Piano & Electronics (Vex'd > > Remix)"
> > (Khanate - "Release")
> > Dillinger Escape Plan - "Phone Home"
> > Vex'd - "Killing Floor"
> > Distance - "Taipan"
> > Distance - "Ska"
> > (Destructo Swarmbots / Isis - "From sinking, to: Drowing")
> > Distance - "Traffic"
> > Vex'd - "Nails"
> > Napalm Death - "Our Pain Is Their Power"
> > (Celtic Frost - "Human")
> > Godflesh - "Vein"
> > (Sunn 0))) - "Cry For The Weeper")
> > Techno Animal ft Sonic Sum - "DC-10"
> > Isis - "Carry"
> > Cult Of Luna - "Arrival"

also in this great new Vex'd mix:
http://dubstep.com.ua/download/VexdResonanceFM.mp3

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Originally Posted by kid cue

Well, I hope I don't make a fool of myself as I am not that familiar with dubstep per se or with the people that make dubstep. But one obvious difference to me is that dubstep is urban while metal in many cases either seems to be a suburban product in its more mainstream variety or in the case of black metal it is in fact anti-urban and pro-nature. Many of these people come from very small towns or live downright in the middle of the woods.
Another related difference is that it seems to me that dubstep like more urban cultures (this is just my assumption though), promotes group culture, gang activity (not that is promoted but that it is a reality in the scene) and so on. In the other hand metal (at least in a philosophical level, maybe not so much in practice) it lionizes individiualism, it hates mass culture to some extent.
I dunno I am sure I can think of more if you prod me.

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as far as dubstep metal 'mashups', are you talking about the Vex'd/Distance set? Vex'd really are into metal, particularly grindcore, and Distance's stuff is arguably more metal than the stuff that inspired him (Korn et al). not to mention The Bug, who's always drawn from metal and has just lately been making dubstep.

Yeah that is what I was talking about. I really want to hear this, but i have no internet at home right now arrrgh. Maybe I'll bring headphones to work.