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Sadly, she sounds a lot like the Bush administration. So she'd fit right in on day one.

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On Romney's 'borderline insane' speech:
Hahahaha!

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I was philosophically turned off from last night's speech.

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The Daily Show really is doing the work that the "legitimate" news isn't....:rolleyes:

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Below is a strange campaign strategy. If it is to tend to family stuff, fine, but considering how Gov. Palin energized the Republican base, I would think that you would want to run with that.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...to_Alaska.html

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh-HFZ8I_0Y



--Jason

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lollerskates

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Butt, don't be surprised if this has no impact what-so-ever.

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Wow. Not only do I understand jOHN's reply - I also agree with it! :D

I reserve a tiny sliver of hope that this will be pointed at by the mainstream media as an example of Palin's lack of qualifications to be VP, but I'm pretty certain that the Republicans will claim that questioning this statement is somehow demeaning to Palin as a woman, and it'll drop out of the news pretty quickly.

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kidls, soithk u sldokm?

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Fuckin' sexist pig.;)

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One word:

Rednecks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/7600592.stm

*shudder*

That word 'elitist' is getting a LOT of air time this election. Palin will milk that for everything it's worth.

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Yeah, that sounds about accurate to me. Although the author omits a glaring consideration in this election for a good portion of rednecks, which is racism.

I'm not trying to play any race-card here, I'm just acknowledging what I've seen with my own eyes. I've watched my wife - a beautiful woman who's heritage is Korean, and who was born and raised in the Baltimore area, then moved with her family to L.A. when she was in her teens - be on the receiving end of racist comments and gestures for literally no reason. I've seen the stretched-eye gesture thrown her way, I've heard people yell "go back to your country", and on and on. And the most surprising thing about that is, it's all happened in either L.A., or the liberal state I grew up in, Massachusetts. And of course she had to listen to taunts of "ching-chong-ching" throughout her childhood, but it's the contemporary, adult examples that have floored me the most.

So I can only imagine what the reaction to a black nominee for president in the deep south is. I mean, just today, this article came out. Here's an excerpt:

Adam LaDuca, 21, the former executive director of the Pennsylvania Federation of College Republicans, wrote on his Facebook page in late July that Obama has "a pair of lips so large he could float half of Cuba to the shores of Miami (and probably would.)"

LaDuca, who previously had called Martin Luther King Jr. a "pariah" and a "fraud," also wrote: "And man, if sayin' someone has large lips is a racial slur, then we're ALL in trouble."

It's a huge obstacle, and Obama has been admirable in his handling of the situation - especially when compared directly with the cries of sexism the Republicans are shouting in regards to Palin.

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yeah i think gaffes like this only make an impact if they accumulate to form the impression of woeful ineptitude.

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Its very easy to rile support from the poor by denouncing the faceless, irresponsible, soulless rich! :D

I think Governor status of Alaska might be false reputation not only among voters, but also misleading experience for her own confidence if she were elected office. Its apples and pomegranates between Alaska and the federal district...

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Palin certainly has balls.


LEBANON, Ohio (CNN) – Sarah Palin refuses to yield on her claim that she opposed the infamous Bridge to Nowhere earmark, despite charges by the Obama campaign that her assertion is a "lie."

"I told Congress thanks but no thanks for that Bridge to Nowhere," Palin said Tuesday in Lebanon, Ohio.

Though Palin recently came out against the completion of the Gravina Island Bridge, she initially supported the project as governor before it became a national symbol of wasteful pork barrel spending. In 2007, Palin’s office cancelled work on the bridge, but Alaska still kept the federal funds that were allocated for state transportation projects.

In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in earmarks, and in a Fairbanks newspaper column earlier this year, she wrote that federal monies, including earmarks, are “incredibly important” to the state. Palin also helped secure millions of dollars in federal money for her hometown of Wasilla while she was mayor.

Nevertheless, Palin told the outdoor audience in Ohio — many of whom came out in spite of the rain – that she was a champion of earmark reform in Alaska.


And from a new Wall Street Journal article:


Why is this one issue (earmarks) such a big deal? Sen. McCain's anti-earmarks stance has been paramount to his campaign. The Arizona senator has blamed everything from the Minneapolis bridge collapse to Hurricane Katrina on Congress's willingness to stuff bills full of pork barrel spending.

As such, Gov. Palin's image as a "reformer" is part of the storyline the McCain campaign needs to complement the top of its ticket. Her quip about passing on the bridge and "building it ourselves" has been a staple of her stump....

.....At a rally today, Sen. McCain again asserted that Sen. Obama has requested nearly a billion in earmarks. In fact, the Illinois senator requested $311 million last year, according to the Associated Press, and none this year. In comparison, Gov. Palin has requested $750 million in her two years as governor -- which the AP says is the largest per-capita request in the nation.


Clearly, the Republicans are absolutely right and truthful about at least one thing - for many people, this election will not be about the issues. If it was, Palin would be getting laughed back to Alaska by all....

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wait a second! YOU MEAN I'M NOT SEXIST AFTER ALL?!?!?!

i bolded the part that made my brain melt and fall out of my ear.

i think we'll see some of these numbers drop off after we clear the post-convention bounce.

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fixed!

gee you mean to tell me that it's mostly dudes who are all about this BODACIOUS BABE WITH GUNS AND GOD AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT YOU JUST HATE THE WRONG KIND OF WOMAN???

gooooooo figure.

i dont see palins figures going down much, sadly. once the republicans have their teeth sunk into a tactic they wont let go and they'll push it as hard as they can. it's going to take a lot of missteps if the popular impression of palin as a game-changer is finally going to fall to "wtf is this campaign thinking" status that should have always been there.

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this is a great example of how to be a Reformer, Palin style:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Palin_...nges_0909.html

quick summary: Major General Campbell says that Palin does not have much of a role in the National Guard on Sep. 3, then 2 days later changes his entire stance, then gets a nice promotion afterwards.

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i hit my saturation point today. we need to get into the presidential candidate debates. since the conventions too much conversation has revolved around the VP candidates. we're all losing focus. the VP isn't where the game is played. we need to remember that the buck stops at the presidency and get back to talking about obama vs mccain.

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Hear hear.

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I concur 15,000,000%. Actually, I'm getting sick and fucking tired of Sarah Palin. There are too many inconsistencies, corruptions, and outright lies that I feel like my brain's going to explode. Fuck, I just want to see her respond to questions and not just regurgitate everything she said back in the RNC.

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Well, get used to it, because the McCain campaign strategy is to keep Palin on notes cribbed from her RNC speech. I'm assuming it's to avoid the same kinds of gaffes she made about Fannie/Freddie until they can bring her up to speed enough so that she doesn't make a complete ass of herself.

There's nothing to be said about the VP portion of the race until after the first debate, IMO.

One thing that's been bothering me about Obama as of late is the way he deflects questions and booing about Sarah Palin

(because I'm too stupid to know how to put it in properly)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080910/...69DEbZoeKs0NUE

"What's the difference between the presidential campaign before and after the national political conventions? Lipstick. The colorful cosmetic has become a political buzzword, thanks to Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's joke in her acceptance speech that lipstick is the only thing that separates a hockey mom like her from a pit bull.
Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama told an audience Tuesday that GOP presidential nominee John McCain says he'll change Washington, but he's just like President Bush.
"You can put lipstick on a pig," he said to an outbreak of laughter, shouts and raucous applause from his audience, clearly drawing a connection to Palin's joke even if it's not what Obama meant. "It's still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still going to stink after eight years."
McCain's campaign called the comments "offensive and disgraceful" and said Obama owes Palin an apology. Obama's campaign said he wasn't referring to Palin and said the GOP camp was engaging in a "pathetic attempt to play the gender card." Obama's camp also noted that McCain once used the same phrase to describe Hillary Rodham Clinton's health care plan."

Whether or not it was a innocent slip up (guarantee it wasn't) I see it as kind of a cheap shot, and that bothers me, because when McCain said it, I was pissed that McCain had been so tasteless. These kinds of statements are absolutely calculated when they're applied this way.

"'Look, she's new, she hasn't been on the scene, she's got five kids. And my hat goes off to anybody whose looking after five. I've got two and they tire Michelle and me out,' he said."

Why not just pat her on the head and tell her if she gets tired, she can go right back to being mommy homemaker? I find statements like this pretty damned condescending.

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i think the pig reference was pretty fun actually. mccain dropped it about romney and it's not like it wasnt true, and the lipstick add-on by obama was a dig at palin's stupid-ass speech and calling out mccain on exactly what he did: toss a woman in there just to generate buzz and use her gender as an election stump.

if i didnt agree with cacophony that the VP apoplectics need to stop, i'd say obama should have dodged this hedging and called him out directly for being so goddamn cynical and insulting. but it's a little late now and things are definitely losing focus.

that last bit about the kids was weird though. whats the point of *that* one?

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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...9/1370479.aspx

Before we get all up in a huff and puff, let's read what came before the "You can put lipstick on a pig" line.

Obama never actually mentioned Palin's name in this portion of his speech. It wasn't even directed towards her.

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Obama didn't need to mention her.

Unless McCain has started wearing lipstick, I'd say the double-meaning is shouting out. Yes, it's same old Republican policy trying to come across as change. And it's... oh, look, hahahaha, Sarah Palin with lipstick... as a PIG!!!

Cmon, it's obvious! It 'worked' because it had two readings in this instance - the safe one, and the risque one. Though of course in the overall scheme of things, this kind of remark won't 'work'. And the Dems had better watch out, because the Republicans are going to be chasing the moral high ground like this for the whole campaign from now on. Even Biden will not be immune. (Biden's comments on special needs kids called 'new low')

Paw widdle Wepublicans. Democrats should be ashamed of themselves. They don't caaaare...... :rolleyes:

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Dick Cheney said the same thing campaigning against John Kerry back in 2004:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjwVEeq7JiQ

Here's what McCain said about Romney last December:
"Never get into a wrestling match with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it."

McCain called Senator Clinton's health care plan during her presidential campaign similar to the one she talked about while first lady in 1993.
“I think they put some lipstick on a pig,” he said, “but it’s still a pig.”

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The difference is that we have a woman in this campaign who has now specifically referenced lipstick. The moment she did that, any subsequent references to pigs and lipstick became loaded. We can't pretend she didn't say it, or that the reference doesn't now carry the danger of being viewed as a personal attack, and even a sexist attack. That might be unfair, but it's just the way it is.

What I'm saying is that it would be disingenuous for anyone to pretend that the pig/lipstick jibe now didn't work on two levels, even if one was unintentional (which btw, in all likelihood it wouldn't be, because every politico/journo heard Palin define herself by that rottweiler/lipstick comment at the convention).

You and I and everyone else here accepts that a pig/lipstick reference in 2008 should be just as valid as one in 2004, but that's not the point. The point is that the Dems will have it used against them in 2008 because of what Palin said. And that's why the Dems need to tread careful.

If I credited him with as much intelligence, I'd almost be tempted to put the original 'rottweiler with lipstick' line down to Rove. Actually, I don't doubt his deviousness, but I suspect this is just one of those unforeseen outcomes....

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america is a fucking circus.

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Just to lump it on thick...

Sarah Palin's war against information.
By avoiding the media and dismissing criticisms as sexist, Sarah Palin hopes to avoid scrutiny of her record.

Yeah, and I switched on the news this morning to see these.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: and one more :rolleyes:

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I am avoiding commenting on this thread because I can't think of anything to say that would avoid a whole lot of very nasty swearwords about this person. I was sick of her the first time I saw her. At least McCain has some kind of experience to hang his right-wing views on. She has nothing except prejudice and dogma to rely on. Makes me barf.

I might buy one of those dolls, though... and a pack of pins....:D

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I have gotta say that I'm shocked to see people here asserting that the "lipstick on a pig" comment was "obviously" directed at Sarah Palin. I mean seriously, was Obama anticipating Sarah Palin in this other instance where he used it last September?

"I think that both Gen. [David] Petraeus and Ambassador [Ryan] Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment," Obama told the Post. "George Bush has given a mission to Gen. Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig."

Does this mean that last September, Obama thought that Bush was wearing lipstick? It's a euphemism, like saying "you can polish a turd...", or whatever other one you choose. And had he used "polish a turd...", would that mean he was calling McCain and Palin "turds?" The goal of euphemisms is to make a point without being literal. I mean, I expect some hard-core conservatives to see this supposed "controversy" in a literal way...hell, a frighteningly large portion of them take stories in the bible literally despite pesky things like "facts" or "science" or "evolution". But frankly, the fact that this fabricated indignation from the McCain camp is gaining such wide traction scares the shit out of me. Seriously - the Repubs have been calling every single question about or criticism of Palin "sexist", just hoping that at some point, it might stick. And this is it? This is what reverberates with people? :eek::confused:

Now do the Democrats have to be careful in the face of these b.s. "sexist" charges from Republicans? Absolutely. I'll bet large sums of money that you won't hear Obama use this euphemism any more. But saying that this was a deliberate swipe at Palin just doesn't hold water to me. At all. In any way. Maybe it would if the McCain camp hadn't been calling virtually every reference to Palin "sexist", or if Obama had never used this euphemism before, or if the context of the statement was even remotely directed at Palin, or if Obama had a history of name-calling. But those are all hypotheticals that don't apply, so as far as I'm concerned, this whole "story" is a non-issue.

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I don't believe it was intended by Obama as an attempt at likening Palin to a pig. Course not - from everything I've seen of him, that's not his style. (...sweetie ;) ) But I do feel that he should have been savvy enough to see that using that phrase after Palin's lipstick pit-bull analogy - and not paying attention to the new interpretation that was now open to be gauged from that - would be asking for trouble.

The whole kerfuffle is a stupid great big pile of poo, but there you go.....

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I'll just say that yes, Obama could've used better words, and leave it at that.

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That's a valid point given the tact the McCain camp has been taking over the last couple months. And at the same time, I wonder if many people see this controversy as further evidence that the McCain camp is not just constantly punching, but is constantly punching below the belt. Probably not enough to make the risks and consequences worth it. But the McCain camp's low-class campaign is truly exceeding my expectations. I so used to think he was better than this....:(

And by the way - excellent use of "kerfuffle".

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Agreed, but in the back of my mind, I would personally like to see more freedom of expression by the candidates, and judgment placed on the truth value of the meaning, not through dishonest filtering and dumbing down, but I might just be old fashioned vis a vis current american politics. You shouldn't have to be savvy. YOu should just be able to assert your point. It seems like Mccain is the translator of the big funny harvard words so that the rubes can fully get how insulting Obama really is.

Anyway I think Obama's starting to feel like a sane man in an asylum

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The more I think about it, the more I think the McCain campaign chose Palin largely because they could inoculate her with sexism charges.

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have you seen McCain's new "Obama wants to teach kindergarten kids Sex" ad?

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No, but I've read about it. So freakin' disgusting that he would distort the truth in that way....