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I was just reading he uses exactly the same sample used a couple years ago by Lurker of Chalice (black metal/ambient project).
From this movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0325055/
I don't know on what track as I haven't listened to it yet.

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Nope - the whole intro track "[untitled]"

"I'll show you light now, it burns forever" is straight off of Inland Empire

on the movie it goes on a bit more, but I don't want to give anything away if you happen to ever watch it. The sample doesn't happen until close to the end... a hobo says it to one of the characters

I'm also pretty sure the crackly record noise is also from that
(and the strings as well... although I'm not 100% positive)

...which I also recorded

damn it

well - you know what? As I was already planning on using it... i still am, but I want to make it clear - it's not b/c of Burial...

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yeah, i think i'll order the vinyl LP and download from Bleep. i don't even know why i was so hung up on getting the CD. no one had the import yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh yeah, i wanted to get the CD so that i could listen over and over at work. i'm listening to reggaeton instead -_-

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still waiting for the flac on bleep

Tuesday my ass!

normally, I wouldn't care and just buy the mp3's ... but I've noticed it's especially worth it (getting lossless) when it comes to dubstep and really heavy electronic stuff (like Boys Noize, Teenage Bad Girl...)

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flac!!!!

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is there a US place that has it? i'd rather have vinyl than CD or download any day.

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i'm sure Other Music will have it sometime soon (ie, in a week or so). Forced Exposure too, presumably....

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lab says they'll have it. then i don't have to pay shipping.

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After giving the new one a couple of listens... the pitch shift vocals are annoyingly overused, and it seems a lot less varied than the first album. I'm not going to risk saying it's formulaic after the grief I got earlier in the thread, but it's almost as if he's homed in better on his own style, or to put it another way it's not got as much of that rough sketched quality that the first one had. Despite "archangel" probably being my favourite Burial track, I prefer the first album. Perhaps this is because this one is more influenced by uk-garage and less experimental/ambient than the first?

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the last one was completely influenced by uk garage. it's just more apparent with the vocals.

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of course... but with this one I think it's much more prominent, and there's fewer nods to ambient/illbient.

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That's because ambient and illbient are lame poser genres.

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...and UK Garage was worse, being a lame chav genre... come to think of it, it's a wonder that Burial manages to even be listenable, let alone brilliant.

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anyone who'd rather listen to We or DJ Spooky than Dem 2 or Groove Chronicles has got to be at least 5% evil.

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they removed the note about FLAC on bleep.com please somebody tell me it's coming!

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Try this simple quiz:

1) Victoria Beckham's last No. 1 hit was

a) Ambient
b) Illbient*
c) UK Garage

* Playing it backwards at 5 rpm is cheating.

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I'd take Victoria Beckham's latest over that other shit any fucking day.

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Burial talking about music he likes (short article): http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/da/47934

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In another interview he mentions these songs:

Digital - Special Mission
El-B - Brandy remix
El-B Feat. Juiceman - Buck & Bury (Original Mix)
Ghost - Passage of Time
Groove Chronicles - stone cold
Digital Mystikz - Misty Winter
Foul Play - dub in u (remix)
Hyper-On-Experience - Lord Of The Null Lines
Foul Play - Being With You
D'Cruze - Lonely
Hyper-On Experience - L.o.t.N.L. (Foul Play RMX)
Hyper on Experience - Lord of the Null Lines (Photek remix)
Foul Play - Open Your Mind (Remix)

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another thing i like about Burial is that i don't think he's mentioned a single artist or track that isn't jungle/dnb or garage/dubstep. it's a really narrow pool of music to draw from, and yet his music is infinitely rich. if anything it seems to focus his work because the vibe he's after is so particular. this is pretty refreshing in light of so many artists bragging about how many different records they grew up on (which their own music doesn't live up to). it's like, influences aren't necessarily additive; it's more important to have a clear head about what you're doing.

(sigh .. i think i only have 3 of those tunes)

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Really? I'm a fan of burial's self titled lp. Also like the new stuff, and I must confess I like dubstep etc but I have a pedestrian exposure to it. With all those preambles on my opinion, there's a samey-ness here when you compare the new stuff with the previous work that means, as brilliant as it is, there really doesn't seem to be a lot of room to grow within its own structure. You could alter that structure, but then you're truly moving away from what made the burial lp so awesome. :)

Maybe newer directions can be awesome too, i just don't see infinite richness.

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i know where you're coming from re: samey-ness, but i disagree. the album sounds more uniform to me, and once the idiosyncracies of each song work their way in, you're left with a considerably greater impact than on the first album (shock of the new aside). i think Untrue is a big move forward in terms of depth, technique, and emotion. he took the same ghostly, Frankenstein-esque ethos that he applied to the drums, bass, and samples, and applied it to vocal science--it isn't just another layer; it totally changes the way the music affects you. this sounds like the ghosts and voices of [your city here] coming out the woodworks after the isolation and implied memories of the self-titled LP. the music has meaning in the purest, most expressive sense. this was a really sound, perhaps a bit cautious, but well-considered artistic step forward.

if anything it's TOO much--the heavy, melodic ambient stuff started to weigh down on me today--but the garage tracks are the bomb. "Archangel" is the one, it's a genuinely moving pop song; but "Near Dark" is pretty overlooked too, like a slightly disorted mirror image of the previous song--demented and quite lost.

i meant infinite richness not in terms of style, but in the same sense that you think of any great work of art--it's open-ended; you keep hearing new things and making new associations for yourself, etc. the music is also very detailed--the crackle, bass harmonics, and various vocal inflections are subtly shifting all the time, and the drumwork is a lot better than before IMO.

i'm interested in hearing more along the lines of "Stairwell," which was a hyperdark rave stormer that doesn't sound much like anything on these last two LPs. i think he has plenty of ideas left to go :)

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What and where the fuck.

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so what about Deadbeat's journeyman's diary.

I think its keen.

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Thanks for that, gonna check it out!

Anyway, I've finally been listening to Untrue, and I think the first part of the album is really, really good! It has great melodies, great vibes and quite varying songs. Etched Headplate is fucked up, I love it. I also love In Mc Donalds for its subtle sounds, while the piano-ish sound really hits you at some unexpected moments. Archangel, Near Dark and Ghost Hardware are great. I haven't paid enough attention to the second part of the album yet, though, will listen to it more.

I have moved away from the thought that Untrue "should have been" different from his first, like STITI was from Dubno. I do still think that there are some of the wooshes and "glitter" sounds in there that are too similar to those on his first album. He could have easily used other sounds to create the same effect. They are quite original sounds though, you don't hear them in any other music. Not like that, anyway.

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burial isn't dubstep. nothing about this LP is dubstep. some of the same influences that other dubstep artists/songs/albums have but i would not classify this LP as dubstep.

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give me a break. he is considered part of dubstep by the dubstep scene. you can't come up with a musical definition that counters that.

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if his reference points on this album are Ambient, 2-Step, DnB and Techno, which is what it sounds like to me, what part of it is Dubstep?

which song on the new album is dubstep and why?

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i consider all of it dubstep. there's a dub influence and a 2-step influence.

also, every track with beats save the 4x4 one is every bit as dubstep as anything El-B or Horsepower ever did. let me guess, they aren't dubstep either because they didn't use halfstep beats.

jeez, i really didn't want to get into this on music mag terms already. Burial is caned by the entire dubstep scene and vice versa. is that not enough to make him part of dubstep? what about Shackleton? or 2562, or Quarta 330? what if they told Timbaland he wasn't hip-hop because he was listening to Bjork and Coldplay instead of James Brown?

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is any song with 2step rhythms, spooky atmosphere and basslines stolen from Rave/DnB considered Dubstep?

i'd say Burial is more of an Ambient Techno producer than anything else on this new album.

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http://insectmind.com/audio/struggle...insectmind.mp3

peverelist-roll with the punches-punch drunk
2562-channel one-tectonic
basic channel-octaedre-basic channel
shackleton-you bring me down-skull disco
2562-channel two-tectonic
ramadanman-good feelin-2nd drop
random trio-press button(cyrus steppers version)-dubwar
mrk1-steppa delights-earwax
benga-skank-big apple
the bug-skeng(kode9 rmx)-hyperdub
2562-circulate-tectonic
kromestar-marz attak-deep medi
shed-substence(a made up sound rmx)-solo action
rsd-pretty bright light-punch drunk
shackleton-massacre-scuba
martyn-broken-revolver
t++-space pong breaks-erosion
gatekeeper-let go-punch drunk
t++-allied-erosion

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i've heard Techno DJ's play the theme song from Star Wars, does that make the theme from Star Wars a techno song?

i've heard dubstep dj's play Basic Channel (see the above mix), does that make Basic Channel Dubstep?

and no, i don't consider Horsepower to be dubstep. an influence on dubstep, and perhaps proto-dubstep, but not dubstep.

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you're the one stuck with music mag terms. you want to just place him in the dubstep section and move on. this music is more than dubstep. it has the same reference points as some dubstep but it's not dubstep in my book.

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i'm not sure what part of this is not getting through. those things combined, and more, are considered dubstep if a) the dubstep scene vibes off it; and b) there is no b. i like how you're trying to spin that as a narrow-minded definition, but it's actually the opposite.

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that is really silly and pretentious.

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oh my god.

do you see what you just did in that post?

1. you accuse me of having a dubstep box.

2. you create your own idea of a dubstep box that Burial doesn't belong in.

please give some thought to yourself k thx bye.

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ok, now define hip-hop.

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get one new snarky asshat meme, kthxbye

:P

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rhyming lyrics to a beat. appx. 70-100 bpm.

that's as a musical style, not hip-hop as a culture