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Honestly, I'm not 'too' let down on that one. I've only really given Mo Move one full listen. I'm glad the "official" version is as is as well as the dubbed in tracks being released in their own form. Not too impressed with Ballet Lane being any different from the orig(I think). And just did snippets of the rest.

But who knows, I mean, Oblivion has grown on me?

Oh and I think Hundred Days is as stellar in it's own way just as dubno, sttititi, etc. I like Underworld.

:p bitch.

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i have to agree with you, john. everybody's going nuts about these new endings to the tracks, and honestly i can see why they took them out— the new ending for twist, for example, simply doesn't fit and just sounds like the end of two months off tacked onto the end. and i bet the same people who love it now, had it been included on the album, would have noticed the similarity and thought it was cheesy.

ditto for mo move. the ansum part, honestly, just sounds tacked on, like they didn't know what to do with those bits so they just put them there, then decided against it— it just doesn't fit, it almost sounds like something somebody could've done with audacity on their pc. i like the track little speaker a lot better than the mo move with ansum on the end. it's extremely obvious that it wasn't written that way, seeing as the bits from 'little speaker' and 'ansum' match exactly with the bits from the end of mo move, like they were just pasted there. i think they went back and wrote the song little speaker to use that bit and to me it fits better.

not that i'm saying that multi-sectioned tracks are bad. i just think if you don't perform them together, and kind of stick two different tracks together that weren't written for each other it just sounds like a crossfade.

overall i guess my point is that i think they made the right decisions in the end.

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Well after years of digesting AHDO, I can say that Little Speaker is a track that I skip frequently or fast-forward for the stellar ending. That said, I really like tacking the good bits onto MoMove rather than even have LS as an album track. Maybe a B-side?

As for the ending of Twist... I LOVE IT! Maybe it doesnt work on the album and sure, thats a legit rationale. But as a little bonus track that Im hearing today... LOVEI T! Twist as it is on AHDO... pretty good. Twist live... FANTASTIC! Something's always been missing from the album track. Some lost energy somewhere.

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Little Speaker is very nearly a great track. I'd like to hear Rick explain that out of time drum part.

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+1

always pisses me off... its not in the Misterons radio show version and is far better off without it

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can anyone get specific? i have no idea what y'all are talking about.

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Little Speaker (track on regular AHDO) at around 3:05 into the song, the beat goes noticeably offbeat for a few seconds.

I like it. :)

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Remember reading an interview, i think it was "Keyboard" magazine, where Rick and Karl explained that they spent a lot of time moving around the percussion to make it sound more "live". The off-beat percussion never bothered me, and as a producer myself, sometimes, it can add a bit of dramatics beyond the 4-4.

Beyond the obvious differences, i think i'm most enjoying TMO - i hear a different pattern before the main chords come in.

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oh okay, that part. i thought it was on purpose.

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I like that laughing synth sound after that offbeat :)

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No no... listen to the track from the start.. then at 30secs they insert a 4-4 beat that is out of time with the main 4-4 beat.. its in the background but it is just loud enough that it puts me off and i cant concentrate on one beat or another.. its so frustrating and makes the whole song hard to listen to.

The problem isnt that it is beyond the 4-4 beat, it is precisely the oposite, it IS a 4-4 beat but it is just completely out of sync with the main 4-4 beat....

and a whole lot of frustration ensues!:mad:

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It's not out of synch. It's an off-beat. It's pre-empting the kick. It's in time.

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It's in time yes (they are both 4-4 patterns).... but it is out of sync... as in it is not landing on any of the 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16 1/32 (etc..) beats of the main drum pattern. Yes it pre-empts the Kick.. but you can do that without taking it out of the pattern of the main drum beat.. for instance a shuffle drum pattern pre-empts the kick every 4 beats.. but what we have here are two 4-4 drum beats that dont link together within the same pattern.. as a result they clash.

Well to my ear they do..

This was clearly not a mistake, Rick meant to put it in and it was an experiment of course, but I just dont like it and wish it wasn't there... just my opinion

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it doesn't sound like bad programming to me. i've always heard that and it sounds right to me. maybe y'all aren't used to progressive music?

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no harm but something makes me think of the word dissection...

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sounds a lot like you're living in the 'Land of Confusion' to me.

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whether right or wrong, I notice it each and every time I listen to that track. it feels (feels, not is) as tho the base starts on the 2 rather than the 1. (or maybe on the eighth note)

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A bit late, but thanks to Swift for Ansum and thanks to whoever it may concern for my RTSR tracker approval. Great stuff!

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I second both of these!

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Anyway the moral of the story here kids is that in my opinion if you want to hear a good version of the song check out the Misterons radio show.

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indeed, thanks everyone

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nah, it's great.

LS is my second fave off the album after Luetin

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this whole board gets on my nerves

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I really like both of the mentioned beat additions to Little Speaker. The one at 0:30 is reminiscent of a delay, giving the beat more depth, and the one at 3:05 adds complexity in a way that gives the following section all that much more energy.

IMHO. :)

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anyone want to upload this to the FTP? purty please?

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i have to admit, i've been listening to this 'promo' album quite a bit lately. ive also rediscovered Ansum.

MoMove is just so much more worhtwhile with the Ansum ending IMO. I've always liked the tune, but hated that it never really went anywhwere. WIth the new Ansum ending, I like it even more.

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I'll do it tomorrow. the FTP is a bit cranky tho.

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I'm a bit cranky! :)

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Usually those sort of things really both me as well, but since I don't notice it while the most prominent kit is playing, it's really fun in the drop out.

Btw, your post about mastering and valuing the rare commodity that is pre production demos is right on. I haven't heard this yet, but if it's as it sounds, these sort of things are usually only sent between band and management, and sometimes to the label under penalty of death if it gets leaked.