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Sean 12-25-2008 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Deckard (Post 107207)
Back to Warren, and Melissa Etheridge has written a piece that to me at least sounds very encouraging.

On the day of the conference I received a call from Pastor Rick, and before I could say anything, he told me what a fan he was. He had most of my albums from the very first one. What? This didn't sound like a gay hater, much less a preacher. He explained in very thoughtful words that as a Christian he believed in equal rights for everyone. He believed every loving relationship should have equal protection. He struggled with proposition 8 because he didn't want to see marriage redefined as anything other than between a man and a woman. He said he regretted his choice of words in his video message to his congregation about proposition 8 when he mentioned pedophiles and those who commit incest. He said that in no way, is that how he thought about gays. He invited me to his church, I invited him to my home to meet my wife and kids. He told me of his wife's struggle with breast cancer just a year before mine.

When we met later that night, he entered the room with open arms and an open heart. We agreed to build bridges to the future.
But wait....how can we enjoy knee-jerk condemnations of people if they keep showing openness to change and alternative viewpoints?!?!?

Merry Christmas everyone!

Deckard 12-11-2009 09:11 AM
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Rick Warren speaks out against the Ugandan anti-gay laws...

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there are thousands of evil laws enacted around the world and I cannot speak to pastors about every one of them, but I am taking the extraordinary step of speaking to you -- the pastors of Uganda and spiritual leaders of your nation -- for five reasons:

First, the potential law is unjust, extreme and un-Christian toward homosexuals, requiring the death penalty in some cases. If I am reading the proposed bill correctly, this law would also imprison anyone convicted of homosexual practice.
http://www.rickwarren.com/

Wow. Thank you Rick.

And Rowan - I'm sorry but your silence on this one stinks.

jOHN rODRIGUEZ 12-12-2009 12:59 PM
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Who's Rowan?

Deckard 12-12-2009 02:02 PM
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Sorry... Rowan William, the present Archbishop of Canterbury, symbolic head of the Anglican communion, controversial liberal, and proud owner of the world's most amazing eyebrows...

http://i48.tinypic.com/2h72u6d.jpg

He's someone I normally have a lot of respect (and sympathy) for. Perhaps his biggest failing (along with offering pronouncements that are insufficiently dumbed down for the abysmal level of 'public debate', and pruned of any phrases likely to be taken out of context and thrown back at him) is his moral relativism, usually manifesting itself as silence. (And it's not often you can say that about a religious leader!)

jOHN rODRIGUEZ 12-12-2009 03:39 PM
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Well Decks, you'd be surprised how powerful silence can be. Sometimes it's just best to let others do what they do and reveal all by themselves what they're about.

Deckard 12-12-2009 06:04 PM
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Sometimes that's true.

But with the Anglican church in Uganda supporting the prospect of seven year prison sentences for discussing homosexuality, life imprisonment for homosexual acts - and death for a second offence - this is probably not the best time for the leader of the worldwide Anglican communion to remain tight-lipped.

Deckard 12-13-2009 04:39 PM
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Update: I take it back...

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“Overall, the proposed legislation is of shocking severity and I can’t see how it could be supported by any Anglican who is committed to what the Communion has said in recent decades,” says Dr Williams. “Apart from invoking the death penalty, it makes pastoral care impossible – it seeks to turn pastors into informers.” He adds that the Anglican Church in Uganda opposes the death penalty but, tellingly, he notes that its archbishop, Henry Orombi, who boycotted the Lambeth Conference last year, “has not taken a position on this bill”.
The piece only appeared in the Telegraph yesterday but apparently he gave the interview before Rick Warren spoke out.

I beg his holiness's forgiveness...
(what's that you were saying about silence, jOHN? :o )

Deckard 12-16-2009 03:27 PM
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Well this is nice.

The BBC, in its infinite wisdom has opened the question out to its audience on Have Your Say:

Should homosexuals face execution?

(Main title/question changed from "Should homosexuals face execution?" to "Should Uganda debate gay execution?" only after the board was closed)

Quote:
Life imprisonment for those convicted of a homosexual act. The death sentence where the offender has HiV, is a "serial offender" or the other person is under 18. Imprisonment for seven years for "attempted homosexuality."

Has Uganda gone too far?
Oh I don't know now, umm, well let me see...


Let's ask this commenter:

"Totally agree. Ought to be imposed in the UK too, asap. Bring back some respectable family values. Why do we have to suffer 'gay pride' festivals? Would I be allowed to organise a 'straight pride' festival? No, thought as much!! If homosexuality is natural, as we are forced to believe, how can they sustain the species? I suggest all gays are put on a remote island somewhere and left for a generation - after which, theoretically there should be none left!"
- Chris, Guildford, posted at 8.59am
(51 recommendations)

jOHN rODRIGUEZ 12-16-2009 04:17 PM
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Merry Christmas!

Deckard 12-16-2009 05:10 PM
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Yeah, season of goodwill, innit!

This comment is a classic:

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"The death penalty - no. Just pay more taxes than hetros."
- The Big Fish, Stockport, United Kingdom
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I bet he's some Sun-reading benefit scrounger too, the f**ing scumbag.

I need to get drunk.


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