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I think we're basically on the same page, but I'm talking more about the perception of Wright's comments - whether they're accurate or not - while you're talking more about their actual meaning. I focus on the perception because it gives us greater insight into how the controversy is reported as well as how the public digests it. This is not a new thought, but it strikes me that the major news outlets and a large portion of the public aren't too concerned with subtlety, as is demonstrated again by what you pointed out regarding Obama's supposed self-contradiction that actually isn't a self-contradiction at all. Similarly, Wright used the words "god damn America", the media outlets then replayed the video of him saying "god damn America", and finally, large numbers of people see the video of him saying "god damn America" and are suddenly looking around, wide-eyed, saying "that guy just said 'god damn America'! He must be anti-American!"

So I'm basically with you on the subtle reality of what was said compared to previous statements, but what's unfortunately got to be dealt with is the dumb-ass, simplified, superficial results of it, which are a bunch of Obama detractors out there running around claiming that Obama hates America and "whitey". :rolleyes:

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jesus, no kidding. clear a piece of that brick wall for me.

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Let's see how things play out, because I'm growing increasingly disappointed and skeptical about whether or not U.S. citizens are ready to accept the kind of forward-thinking Presidency Obama offers.

I say this because even in the wake of a powerful, and likely historic speech from Obama addressing the Wright controversy and his thoughts on race issues in this country, his poll numbers are dropping and Clinton's are rising.

Meanwhile, it's coming out that newly released Clinton papers show specific instances in which she actually helped rally support to pass NAFTA, which she now claims she was always unenthusiastic about and would renegotiate as President. There are also audio recordings from before the Michigan vote in which she says "I personally did not think it made any difference whether or not my name was on the ballot. Y'know, it's clear, this election they're having is not gonna count for anything", while yesterday, she stood in Michigan pushing her contention that the Michigan vote is extremely meaningful to her, and not for political reasons according to a snippet from one of her speeches that I saw on CNN last night. And finally, Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said any notion that potential Michigan donors sought to help Clinton was "absurd", yet all ten of the Michigan donors who have offered to fund the revote have also been large contributors to Clinton's campaign.

But Obama's poll numbers are dropping because someone who he knows said some bad stuff about the U.S. that Obama himself has given us no reason to believe he agrees with, and Clinton's numbers are rising. What.....the.....f@$k?

Is it pure ignorance? Willful ignorance maybe? I just don't know.



And more about Clinton's supposed "experience" is released through those White House papers she finally just put out:


"The calendars reflect her extensive itineraries abroad, a record she has used in the presidential campaign to demonstrate readiness for office.

But while Clinton engaged in substantive meetings with foreign leaders over the eight years, the overseas events are heavy with more traditional appearances by a first lady.

The schedules show her meeting other political wives, having lunch with prominent women, touring cathedrals and hospitals and engaging in various ceremonial duties in trips to Japan, Russia and other countries."

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Obama = What did he hear and when did he hear it?
Clinton = What did she do and when did she do it?

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Hannity: this affects me as a christian

it affects you as a useful tool is how it affects you, sir.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20qwkGZ0Z-Y

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So now Obama has to answer for every comment ever made by every supporter he gets? I hope to god that people are smart enough to see why this is absolute rubbish.

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No you stupid stupid woman.

See this is EXACTLY the problem, and exactly what I feared. As soon as we get a speech that dares to be more honest than normal in its complexity, it immediately gets distorted.

Surely she must know that to draw on two instances to make a general point is not the same as equating those two instances? (otherwise Obama must really hate his granny... )

I just hope she's cynically seeking victim status for political capital, rather than genuinely that stupid.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VeXwboxjyI

oh solace of truth! oh salve of reason!!!

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LOL about Hillz's international "experience":

"She says she has been to 80 countries on trips. My travel agent has been to 150 countries on trips" :D

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Let's just hope that people actually see this and listen.