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Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2008

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Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ (Post 96480)

Don't make me sick my girls on you.

Hmm, are they cute? ;):p

Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2008

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SUNRISE, FLA. -- Desperate to get attention for her cause to seat Florida and Michigan delegates, Hillary Clinton compared the plight of Zimbabweans in their recent fraudulent election to the uncounted votes of Michigan and Florida voters saying it is wrong when “people go through the motions of an election only to have them discarded and disregarded.”

“We’re seeing that right now in Zimbabwe," Clinton explained. "Tragically, an election was held, the president lost, they refused to abide by the will of the people,” Clinton told the crowd of senior citizens at a retirement community in south Florida.

LOL howard dean is an african military dictator.

Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2008

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Originally Posted by Strangelet (Post 96558)

LOL howard dean is an african military dictator.

And here's a pretty clear-cut outline of Hillary's history with this subject...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wX99qUo3Ow

How so many people let her get away with continuing her ridiculous claim is beyond me. And this is classic too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-deGy60y9fo

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and then there's this horseshit. Clinton has played the gender card and nobody seems to be bothered by it.

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Media coverage of the presidential race, Mrs Clinton told The Washington Post, has been "deeply offensive to millions of women".

Pundits have been obsessed, she said, with the idea that racism was a barrier to her Democratic rival becoming the first black president of the United States. "But it does seem as though the press at least is not as bothered by the incredible vitriol that has been engendered by comments and reactions of people who are nothing but misogynists," she said.

Kathy Ryan, 67, a retired teacher and local Democratic officials also blamed the media. "If they're women, they're Obama women who want her out. If it's men, the basis of it seems to be sexist. It's subtle but it's there," she said.

It just makes me think that she's leveling serious, vile accusations against the media. To suggest that their own sexism is running their coverage and that this bias has been a clear detriment to her campaign is nothing to take lightly. She needs to back this up, or don't go there

Imagine if Barack bitched about the racism of the appalachian region. He'd be skewered.

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i think they're just letting her say any damn thing because it's a democratic bastion's last sad gasp of candidacy and no one really wants to add insult to injury.
then again, that patience is on a rather delicate rope, so if she presses on like this it could get funny real quick.
it already fundamentally doesnt make sense to count votes from a state that doesnt have the main opposition LISTED ON THE BALLOT.
and the fact that both candidates were just fine about it, something some outlets are FINALLY reminding everyone of, makes hillary look really cynical now that she's waxing about "the people's voice" being ignored.
it's so dumb i still dont really know how anyone can stump for this logically without getting shut down in less than 30 seconds.

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Originally Posted by dubman (Post 96584)

it already fundamentally doesnt make sense to count votes from a state that doesnt have the main opposition LISTED ON THE BALLOT.
and the fact that both candidates were just fine about it, something some outlets are FINALLY reminding everyone of, makes hillary look really cynical now that she's waxing about "the people's voice" being ignored.
it's so dumb i still dont really know how anyone can stump for this logically without getting shut down in less than 30 seconds.

I know that I'm eating a bit of crow on the subject. In an old thread here when the issue was first raised, I said that it would never stick because it's so blatantly wrong on every level. I figured everyone would see that it's not appropriate to change the rules at the end of the game, and that you can't call the results of a contest where only one of the two candidates even played accurate. But here we are, having to hold our breath to wait and see what the DNC rules at the end of the month.

Although, I'm sticking to my guns - there's no way they can award Hillary all of the delegates from Michigan and give Obama none. It would be unfair first of all, but more importantly as far as they're probably concerned, it would be a huge political mistake. Can you imagine the backlash of African American voters against the Democratic Party if they set in motion a series of events that stripped the nomination away from a black candidate after he's won the majority of pledged delegates? That would be a cut straight to the core of the Democratic base. I can't imagine it happening - but then I also can't understand how anyone can still support Hillary Clinton, and clearly many people do. :rolleyes:

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Clinton could still make history by being the first woman vice-president and concede all her former arguments in an effort to provide a united front against McCain.

Or she can use her position to get whatever else she wants out of the DNC. Governor, Supreme Court, some Cabinet position. Anything is possible as long as she steps down.

Plus thanks to stupid McCain-Feingold legislation, the sooner she drops out, the less time she has to get back money she loaned herself.

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Excellent analysis of the "misogyny" argument in The Times today.

Bottom line - it has nothing to do with her being a woman, and more to do with the fact that she changes tack every five minutes out of sheer expediency, has shown that she will tilt at windmills for as long as it takes to get what she wants, and people just don't trust her enough to want her ruling the country.

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Originally Posted by mmm skyscraper (Post 96617)

Clinton could still make history by being the first woman vice-president and concede all her former arguments in an effort to provide a united front against McCain.

I know it could happen, but I still think I'd be surprised if it did. She stands so strongly for everything Obama is not. Sure, they share the same policy ideas for the most part, but the type of politics they represent are such polar opposites that simply having her on the ticket could compromise Obama's central message not just of change, but of change for the better in how things are done. My guess is that he'll pick someone that was a strong Hillary supporter, but who still fits in with how Obama does things.

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Originally Posted by mmm skyscraper (Post 96617)

Or she can use her position to get whatever else she wants out of the DNC. Governor, Supreme Court, some Cabinet position. Anything is possible as long as she steps down.

Yeah, I fully expect something like this. Although her on the Supreme Court would be a terrifying prospect. :eek:

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And in today's WTF?!? statement by Senator Clinton, she mentions the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy in an interview with a South Dakota newspaper.

Clinton mentions RFK assassination

From Huffingtonpost.com

In better news, Senator Obama picked up 5 delegates today, one of which was a Clinton backer. 5 more delegates for Senator Obama

In light of Senator Clinton's creepy comment, I'm hoping for more superdelegates to jump ship like the Titanic.

-Jason