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They got an ass and they pulled the number out of it.

If these things came from a computation it would be Clinton = 0, Obama = 0, based on the agreed upon rules, and anything different is a measurement on what it takes to shut certain people up.

It was very very stupid to rig this system up so that a state could ever endanger their own voting. I guess the DNC thought they could make the punishment insanely draconian assuming that states would read from it : just don't fucking go there and everyone is happy. The DNC probably never thought this would happen and the states probably never thought they wouldn't get away with it.

That's my hope.

Regardless, nobody is stupid enough to believe that Clinton, when she said this in her "open" letter to Barack Obama today,

...that she's so sincerely expressing a gut wrenching sympathy for stolen voices. And that her weeping and gnashing at the establishment's injustice towards the voters is only coincidental to her own demise within that establishment. I mean, what stopped her voicing this sympathy before super tuesday? MI and FL had just as much of a voice then as now. And the more frantic she pleads their case has *got* to strike dramatic contrast in people's minds the difference in her attitude back then versus now.

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Personally, I don't think Michigan has any grounds to seat any delegates for the reasons you guys stated. But since Hillary and so many others are whining about it, then I have no problem with the plan they presented based on the ass method Strangelet outlined. And hell, seat Florida too, because it won't change the outcome of the race, but it might shut some people up, and at this point, that's what I want is for people to shut the f@#k up.

At it's heart, I know Hillary doesn't give a rat's ass about the voters - we know that because she still wants superdelegates to vote counter to the will of the majority of voters. But I want her to go away, and this might help.

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Looks like McCain has a crazy pastor too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZbIGJrDkg

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No this is ok. you can call islam the institution of the anti-christ, you just can't say that maybe somehow israel's actions and the american relationship with israel may have at some point contributed in some small way to 9/11

See the difference? The former is extreme but understandible, the latter is unpatriotic, anti-american, and worth media skewering.

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god i love youtube comments. from the video link posted above:


what

it makes me proud to be an american.

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:confused:

So the poster knows some words, but not how to use them I guess.

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"My supporters are the dumbest fucks in the country, too stupid to punch a ballot with their fat little fingers"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc
:D

(yes some of you will have seen the clip used before, but this one's particularly well done I thought ;) )

Btw, Sky news are now reporting that Obama now has more pledged superdelegates than Clinton...

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That is absolutely brilliant. Some of the best writing I've seen.

That seems to be the consensus (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080510/D90J0A7O0.html). It appears he has 275 to Hillary's 271.5. So now she's losing in every way, even if you count Michigan and Florida. Delegates (which are what the nomination process is based on), popular vote, number of states won, and superdelegates. Pretty hard to argue that you're the stronger candidate when you're the loser on every single front possible.

I know she'll win West Virginia and try to claim some sort of momentum from it, but at this point, it will change nothing. She's done, and everyone knows it except for her.

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she knows it. she's just grappling with her pride at this point. or, from what i've read, bill's pride. apparently he takes her presidential bid as a commentary on his own presidency and he's almost as driven to force her success as she is.

i wish i understood what was going on in her head. at this point the math can't possibly work out in her favor. the only way it could ever work was if delegates started wholesale rejecting the voter allocation and superdelegates started flooding back to her side. yet somehow she's convinced that she's serving some purpose by staying in.

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West Virginia putting it's best foot forward...

Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican.

“I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife’s an atheist,” said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside the fire station...

...which goes along nicely with this a couple paragraphs later...

500 people...crammed into the Williamson Fire Department building on Friday to attend a rally by Bill Clinton, the former president. He told them his wife represented “people like you, in places like this”

Way to go, West Virginia. :rolleyes:

Oh....and I have to paste this paragraph too...

Most people questioned said they mistrusted Mr Obama because of doubts about his patriotism and “values”, stemming from his cosmopolitan background, his exotic name and the controversy surrounding “anti-American” sermons by Jeremiah Wright, his former pastor. Several people said they believed he was a Muslim – an unfounded rumour that has circulated on the internet for months – despite the contradiction with his 20-year membership of Mr Wright’s church in Chicago. Others mentioned his refusal to wear a Stars and Stripes badge and controversial remarks by his wife, Mich­elle, who des­cribed America as “mean” and implied that she had never been proud of the US until her husband ran for president.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2a50425a-1...nclick_check=1