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mmm skyscraper 05-24-2008 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by negative1 (Post 96709)
i hate shia labeof, but i would hardly call being in transformers
a sidekick.......

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I mainly just meant I, Robot and Constantine.

I thought he was ok in Transformers, but it really could have been anybody.

grady 05-25-2008 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by negative1 (Post 96708)
name something good that speilberg has done lately?
munich?
war of the worlds?
terminal?
catch me if you can?
minority report?

yeah, maybe if you go back a decade to 'saving private ryan'..

sorry speilberg hasn't done any better, and thats no guarantee...

who should have been involved?

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I would say out of the films you listed off above, one that is the best out of the bunch and compared to Indiana Jones is Minority Report. Even going back a decade to Saving Private Ryan is pointles as that wasn't that good of a film either. It was just bookended by two stunning action sequences.

dubman 05-25-2008 03:14 AM

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just like to butt in and say i havent yet seen this festoon of crockery that just says "one more go around for old moneys sake. classic coke and all that", but i'd just like to point out that live free or die hard was actually really fckn great

thx

viddy 05-25-2008 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by grady (Post 96730)
Even going back a decade to Saving Private Ryan is pointles as that wasn't that good of a film either. It was just bookended by two stunning action sequences.

I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that, for the sake of keeping things civil.

negative1 05-25-2008 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by grady (Post 96730)
I would say out of the films you listed off above, one that is the best out of the bunch and compared to Indiana Jones is Minority Report.

minority report was a joke,
plot holes so big you drive a truck through them,
dated special effects..

a pre-crazy tom cruise, who had started to slip mightily
(he redeemed hiimself only for the movie 'collateral ' 2004,
i still can't believe he did such a great job, maybe because
he played against type)

try again, speilberg has lost touch with the public for
quite some time now...much like lucas has..

duel (theatrical cut)/ sugarland express / jaws / close encounters of the third kind

all cemented his place in history in my eyes...(please forget '1941')..

later
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negative1 05-25-2008 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dubman (Post 96735)
just like to butt in and say i havent yet seen this festoon of crockery that just says "one more go around for old moneys sake. classic coke and all that", but i'd just like to point out that live free or die hard was actually really fckn great

thx

not really, no it wasnt, unless you are referring to the unrated
dvd with blood/swearing etc....then it turned from a mindless
neutered film, into just an average mindless film..

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potatobroth 05-25-2008 06:56 PM

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I liked Indy 4. Had a slight unpolished feel but that's okay. I thought Shia played his role quite well.

joethelion 05-26-2008 01:32 PM

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I thought the movie was "ok"

but there were a few things that just really really really confused me

1) Ok, so ... how in the Hell did the Soviets take over Area51?!?!??! let alone, even get into the country? How couldn't the rest of the government, or even the rest of the people at area51 know that all the people at the front gate were shot, and there's a troop of 'new guys' that suddenly showed up, pointing guns at Indiana Jones?

2) Even if they took over area51 completely... there's no way that the facility would still have been doing regular atomic bomb tests

3) is it just me - or were there parts of the film that "really looked like they were on a sound stage" ... like, I mean - I know that films aren't always shot on location... but at the same time - they at least try and hide the fact that the background is merely painted on a screen!

jOHN rODRIGUEZ 05-26-2008 01:36 PM

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I enjoyed the throwback to Old-School(?) film making feel about it.

I think it was intentional.

bryantm3 05-26-2008 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by joethelion (Post 96802)
I thought the movie was "ok"

but there were a few things that just really really really confused me

1) Ok, so ... how in the Hell did the Soviets take over Area51?!?!??! let alone, even get into the country? How couldn't the rest of the government, or even the rest of the people at area51 know that all the people at the front gate were shot, and there's a troop of 'new guys' that suddenly showed up, pointing guns at Indiana Jones?

2) Even if they took over area51 completely... there's no way that the facility would still have been doing regular atomic bomb tests

3) is it just me - or were there parts of the film that "really looked like they were on a sound stage" ... like, I mean - I know that films aren't always shot on location... but at the same time - they at least try and hide the fact that the background is merely painted on a screen!


indiana jones isn't meant to be serious or completely convincing; it's supposed to be fun. the whole plot doesn't even make any sense, but that's the same for all of them. they're unbelievable, but they're still great films.

the only thing i didn't like that much was the wedding scene at the end.

jOHN rODRIGUEZ 05-26-2008 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bryantm3 (Post 96808)
indiana jones isn't meant to be serious or completely convincing; it's supposed to be fun. the whole plot doesn't even make any sense, but that's the same for all of them. they're unbelievable, but they're still great films.

the only thing i didn't like that much was the wedding scene at the end.


Not to mock marriage or anything, but it did a have a bit of a Public Services Announcement angle to it.

The father/son bit too, but I find it quite necessary.

Rog 05-27-2008 08:59 AM

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Hmmm, i'm perturbed about going to see this now, i had to stop watching transformers because i just couldn't stand the actor who i now see is in this film:( - he completely ruined it for me.

potatobroth 05-27-2008 11:08 AM

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well I too disliked Shia in Transformers, but wasn't at all bothered by him in Crystal Skulls.

Deckard 05-27-2008 11:34 AM

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I didn't mind Shia in Transformers, though his "N-n-n-n-no, no no no no, oh n-n-n-no!" started to grate after the first 30 minutes. Hoping he doesn't repeat that in Skull....

grady 05-27-2008 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by viddy (Post 96750)
I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that, for the sake of keeping things civil.

Would things cease to be civil if you did hear it? I don't really get why it's still so revered. It's opening sequence is what makes the film. Then it's downhill.

grady 05-27-2008 02:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by negative1 (Post 96759)
minority report was a joke,
plot holes so big you drive a truck through them,
dated special effects..

a pre-crazy tom cruise, who had started to slip mightily
(he redeemed hiimself only for the movie 'collateral ' 2004,
i still can't believe he did such a great job, maybe because
he played against type)

try again, speilberg has lost touch with the public for
quite some time now...much like lucas has..

duel (theatrical cut)/ sugarland express / jaws / close encounters of the third kind

all cemented his place in history in my eyes...(please forget '1941')..

later
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I don't know if I would be that harsh on Minority Report, gapping plot holes and all. But I saw it once, at an exhibitor screening a month or so before it was released almost six years ago now. I'd imagine if I revisited it, I may not enjoy it nearly as much.

I actually didn't care for Cruise too much in that and feel that since his 'serious' turn in Magnolia, the last decent thing he had done was the character of Vincent in Collateral.

Both Spielberg and Lucas have lost their touch, more Lucas than Spielberg, but Spielberg does offer this little glimmers of the filmmaker he once was in the films previously mentioned. Even something revered like Saving Private Ryan has that amazing opening sequence that is a pleasure to be immersed in visually and aurally.

I'm in agreement with you neg.

grady 05-27-2008 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by negative1 (Post 96760)
not really, no it wasnt, unless you are referring to the unrated
dvd with blood/swearing etc....then it turned from a mindless
neutered film, into just an average mindless film..

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Gotta agree there again. Upon seeing the unrated DVD of Live Free or Die Hard I was astounded they didn't release that film.

negative1 05-27-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ (Post 96824)
Not to mock marriage or anything, but it did a have a bit of a Public Services Announcement angle to it.

The father/son bit too, but I find it quite necessary.

it's called closure..

than God too..

now, i'm in the anti-marriage camp,
but considering the timeframe, etc, etc..morals,etc, etc..

it made perfect sense,
and i actually kinda felt relieved for the characters..

unlike in james bond, where his wife to be gets
gunned down/blown up/etc..

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negative1 05-27-2008 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by grady (Post 96860)
Gotta agree there again. Upon seeing the unrated DVD of Live Free or Die Hard I was astounded they didn't release that film.

political correctness gone awry..

i'm sure the studio execs weighed
every percentage point +, for pg-13,

and subtracted the dvd revenues for r/unrated...


f&#$rick#Y*(*($&*(#&en studio executives...*(#**#&$*&#7

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jOHN rODRIGUEZ 05-28-2008 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by negative1 (Post 96873)
it's called closure..

than God too..

now, i'm in the anti-marriage camp,
but considering the timeframe, etc, etc..morals,etc, etc..

it made perfect sense,
and i actually kinda felt relieved for the characters..

unlike in james bond, where his wife to be gets
gunned down/blown up/etc..

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You're weird. j/k



Bond's "someone with benefits" was also a traitor.

Rog 05-29-2008 03:31 AM

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[quote=jOHN rODRIGUEZ;96923]You're weird. j/k
ROFL!:D:D

cured 05-29-2008 06:40 PM

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I saw this movie and have very little to say, other than I hope Spielberg ends his marriage with David Koepp ASAP.

Didn't like the premise of the story or the direction it went in. Basically all i liked was Indy punching people with those arcade style, fleshy sound effects.

Shia is not Tarzan.

There. I've said my piece.

gillenium 05-29-2008 07:34 PM

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Spoilers

I heard that when Lucas pitched the project, he actually wanted to do Indiana Jones in Space (I'm not kidding). But when Spielberg got hold of it, most of the extra-terrestrial stuff was written out.... but not all.

Which is why I can safely say that, even when his ideas are improved upon and edited to kingdom come, Lucas can still extend his tentacles and make a movie bad.

And it's not so much that Spielberg is a bad director, it's just that he has a handful of tricks and he's used them all.. in everything. Remember the alien probe eye in the house in War of the Worlds? Now think back to the velociraptor scene in Jurassic Park.

The EXACT same scene. That's why his stuff is becoming so tiresome.

negative1 05-29-2008 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gillenium (Post 97009)
And it's not so much that Spielberg is a bad director, it's just that he has a handful of tricks and he's used them all.. in everything. Remember the alien probe eye in the house in War of the Worlds? Now think back to the velociraptor scene in Jurassic Park.

The EXACT same scene. That's why his stuff is becoming so tiresome.

IT actually is because he's become a bad director..

'jurassic park' is a horrible reference....that movie was one of
the all time worst adapations of a book (especially michael crichton)
thas was ever made...no credit given for making this trainwreck
of a movie..

every cliche in a monster/horror film was used.....you're looking too
recently at his movies...you have to go further back...
i hope you didn't think that jurassic park was original..

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viddy 05-30-2008 09:17 AM

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I can't believe what I am reading in this thread. First we're bashing Saving Private Ryan, then we're bashing Jurassic Park???

jOHN rODRIGUEZ 05-30-2008 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by viddy (Post 97041)
I can't believe what I am reading in this thread. First we're bashing Saving Private Ryan, then we're bashing Jurassic Park???

Aside from Saving Private Ryan, it is a given Spielberg films are family oriented.

King of Snake 05-30-2008 11:46 AM

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Haha Jurassic Parc is still one of my favourite movies ever, but I guess part of that is also cause I was at exactly the right age when it came out and wa a bit of dinosaur nutter at that time too :)

Saw Indiana Jones yesterday and while I thought it was entertaining enough and Harrison Ford was still fun to watch, I never really felt I cared much for anything that was happening. The story and many of the action scenes just felt too contrived to suck me in. Marion's comeback was fun though and one of the only time when I felt there was actual chemistry between two characters.
I thought Shia was allright in this, apart from that terrible Tarzan sequence. I mean wtf?! It must have been George Lucas' idea :rolleyes: (as well as the stupid CG gophers in the beginning of the movie).

negative1 05-30-2008 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by viddy (Post 97041)
I can't believe what I am reading in this thread. First we're bashing Saving Private Ryan, then we're bashing Jurassic Park???

just to be clear, its pretty much only me..and to give credit,
the effects were amazing for the time..

i heard about the movie, but didn't see it right away, and
being a big michael crichton fan, got the book, read it, and
thought it was brilliant..

after the hoopla died down for the movie, it was about to
disappear from the movie theaters, i went to the last
showing near me, went to the theater near midnight,
so i was the only person in theater that was watching
it (so even if there would have been cheering/clapping/
etc to bias the showing, it wouldn't effect)...

at first i was very impressed with the movie, but then
as it got dumber and dumber, and the plot got watered
down beyond belief, i just pretty much gave up on it..

someone should do a fanedit (if they haven't), and take
scenes from this+parts of jurassic part 3, and THEN it might actually
be a decent film...but not in this current form..

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jOHN rODRIGUEZ 05-30-2008 06:52 PM

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There was a Jurassic Park part III ????

IsiliRunite 05-30-2008 07:10 PM

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I enjoyed the fact that in Jurassic Park 1 the T-Rex managed to throw the Jeep over a cliff that did not exist a few shots previous.

dubman 05-31-2008 01:30 PM

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damn, well that scratches jurassic park from the list of things i thought no one could hate. i'd give you an infraction for that if we could joke about that sort of stuff but we can't. abuse of whatever.

seriously i think it's perfect. chrichton is an arrogant gasbag, the movie was actually fun.

grady 05-31-2008 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by viddy (Post 97041)
I can't believe what I am reading in this thread. First we're bashing Saving Private Ryan, then we're bashing Jurassic Park???

Not all of us are bashing Jurassic Park. That said, the two sequels are ready to be gutted next in this conversation.

viddy 06-01-2008 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by grady (Post 97110)
Not all of us are bashing Jurassic Park. That said, the two sequels are ready to be gutted next in this conversation.

The sequels suck, I can agree on that.:)

King of Snake 06-01-2008 03:45 PM

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I do remember kind of enjoying 3, at least more so than 2

TheBang 06-02-2008 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ (Post 97072)
There was a Jurassic Park part III ????

Get ready for IV.

jOHN rODRIGUEZ 06-02-2008 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBang (Post 97195)
Get ready for IV.


Oh s. I'll rent the third one today I guess.

Strangelet 06-08-2008 02:15 PM

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spoiler....


Quote:

Originally Posted by IsiliRunite (Post 96705)
*SPOILER*


I felt the *SPOILER* extraterrestrial tie-ins were unpolished and pointless.

agreed. I thought the ending blew. just an excuse to have a cgi orgy. would have liked to know why the russian chick had to die, other than the fact that it follows the template of "evil nemesis of indiana jones lets their greed ensnare them in the power of the arbitrarily chosen artifact"

Its not even that bad of a formula if it makes any sense. Yaweh whacks shell fish eaters. He's going to sit around and let some nazis play around with the freaking arc of the covenant?

And the third one. You can't be thinking right if you expect to yoke the power of the receiving vessel of jesus's sin cleansing blood for evil intentions. That's like a total contradiction and the earth should twist itself into a knot.

So what's up with evil multi-dimensional alien guy? just doesn't like russians? Even ones that return his creepy h.r. giger cranium back to him so he can fly away?

grady 06-12-2008 11:12 AM

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So, Frank Darabont's script for his crack at Indiana Jones has appeared online. Paramount was quick to squash the initial provider of the script, but as these things go, once they're out, they're out, bouncing between rapid share type sites and torrents.

link

I haven't had a chance to read it or even skim it yet, but it sounds like there are quite a few similarities between the Crystal Skulls and the City of Gods. Primarily set pieces that seem to have been carried over by Lucas and his story credit from writer to writer. But Mutt is lacking from Darabont's draft and Marion plays a more prominent role.


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