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What the hell? I just arrived in Denver, get to the hotel and check my email and then I get this! I'm excited to see Underworld live again, but come on, like a lot of us are posting, we made special arrangements to see UW @ Red Rocks. A lot of us made the choice to make the trip out here to see them at Red Rocks because we believed it was going to be a magical night and something special to experience. We purchased airline tix's, hotel and rental car months ago. I heard the explanation that they didn't sell enough tickets, that's lame. You don't change venues 3 days before the show.

I'm seriously hoping that it will be changed back to Red Rocks. I doubt it will, LiveNation wants to make as much money as they can and they probably feel they can do that by moving it to the Fillmore.

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I feel sorry for you guys. they didn't even come close to selling out 1/2 (probably not even 1/3) of the Warfield for show #2 (upstairs was roped off... closed, and atleast one bar closed downstairs), but they still played and gave it their all, I was down front, jumping around like a mad man with the rest of 'em.

but the lack of people really didn't matter, we rocked out, rocked out hard!

bh

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YEAH!
FUCK UNDERWORLD!
THEY SHOULD COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND GIVE YOU THEIR ADIDAS SHOES TO MAKE UP FOR IT!
OH GOD YOURE SO PISSED OFF THAT THE BAND MUST BE RESPONSIBLE IN SOME WAY FOR DOING THIS!
TO YOU!
PERSONALLY!

fucking hell.

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After lurking for a good year now this might be as good a time as any to finally post...

I chose the Denver event, like most of you, because it was at Red Rocks. I'd originally planned on going to the Hollywood Bowl until I saw this event listed. I knew Red Rocks was historic, the pictures I looked at were amazing and the video from when the Chemical Brothers played there were enough to make any Underworld fan wet themselves with excitement. Am I disappointed that it's not going to be there? You bet your ass I am. Do I understand that yeah, shit happens, and sometimes stuff like this is out of our control? Sure.

And think about it this way, if tickets didn't sell anywhere near enough at Red Rocks, then isn't that a good thing? If I wanted to have a mindblowing experience there, I'd want to turn around and see thousands of fans cheering and going nuts, not turn around and see seventy-five percent of the stadium empty. Plus the Fillmore allows us to get nice and close to the whole experience. There's a plus to everything, and there's no need to go out and try to maim the boys for it.

There's another reason the Denver show is special to me, aside from the venue. My dad is a huge music fan, and a total Springsteen whore. When I was 12 he took me to Denver to see him play. It was just my dad and I, on a trip for three days. We had tickets to the second night, but camped out the first day for tickets for the first night and I got to be on TV in the process. We had a blast, and we stuck around afterwards and I met the Boss himself, which really made my dad happy. I invited my dad to come along, because Underworld means as much to me as Springsteen to him, and given that it's Denver the whole trip means something special to the both of us. So Red Rocks or Fillmore, I really don't care at this point. We'll still be front and center, and we'll still have a great time.

I think the problem with that was how good of a job LiveNation and everybody did at not promoting it. Maybe I'm just missing everything, but I've seen zero advertising for the whole tour outside of UWLive and other music forums. Plus the Warfield show was announced much sooner than any of the other shows. It feels like the only people who know about the shows are the more hardcore of fans.
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First off, I am not trying to blame UW for this at all. Usually it is a promoter or producers idea to do something like this. The problem that I see, as one person on MySpace put it, is that "this is no ordinary venue change." A gigantic part of the lure of this is Red Rocks.

I do, however, see the point of having a venue at 35% and turning around to see empty seats. Nevertheless, the awe that Red Rocks brings on it's on can overcome that obstacle.

For those that have not seen it:
http://www.coloradohomeseller.com/RedRocks.JPEG
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/20...b__430x315.jpg
http://www.ninastorey.com/photos/red...dRocks0010.JPG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX5W2OsKPH0

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i don't give a shit who's fault it is. changing a show from RED ROCKS to a ho-hum auditorium in FUCKING DENVER is just fucking stupid. just fucking stupid. the band absolutely had a hand in the decision, the promoters absolutely didn't promote well enough and the whole entitiy that is underworld has let me PERSONALLY down. fuck off dubman. it's personal. a lot of us made explicit plans to go to denver BECAUSE it was at REDROCKS. why in hell else would i fucking fly to denver? why the fucking hell else would they PLAY in goddamned denver?? not playing vancouver, or seattle, or austin? it's fucking big business bullshit and i'm not impressed. i'm not going. i am getting married on the 15th and the decision to actually FLY OUT OF TOWN the week of my wedding was a particularly dificult one... but it was REDROCKS! 'the show of the year' for me... there's just no way i can justify flying to denver otherwise. i'll eat the plane tix. i've canceled my hotel and i'll be sending my show tix back. i'm totally fucking pissed off and i won't forget this.

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Crocodile is a masterpiece. Underworld is a genius band.
But I'm 10 x more pissed off today than I was yesterday about the
unfair & false advertising element of the bait & switch venue change.
Pissed off enought to cancel my trip.

What a dissapointment they've caused for so many.
If this was a typical guitar band tour, who tours all the time & everywhere, it would be different.
But it's NOT!

Shame on somebody. And somebody ELSE should grab the reigns &
demand this show take place where it was advertised.
cancelling 3 days before a show is inexcusable & possibly illegal.
Looks like we're ALL losing money. All of us not from Denver anyway.
I guess screw all of us who made major complicated & expensive
plans to see Underworld at this amazing historic venue.

What a shame & an embarrasment for Underworld.
Not to mention bad press ...

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Quite often bands don't have as much say as one may think. You truly think they have the time to worry about every venue they play at? Their job is to solely show up and put on a good show. That's all anyone should ever care about. It doesn't matter if it's a small bar in Mexico or the Opera House in Sydney. What it all comes down to is the music, and the quality of the sound. If you can't block everything else that may be around then the band/group isn't doing enough to keep you entertained.

Stop being petty.

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>>It doesn't matter if it's a small bar in Mexico or the Opera House in Sydney. What it all comes down to is the music, and the quality of the sound.


Stop being petty.[/quote]

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Yes it does matter. I take it you weren't flying in to see your first show at Red Rocks ..

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In '03 the boys were switched from Bill Graham Civic Aud. to the Fillmore in San Francisco...not quite the same thing I know, but perhaps it has to do with ticket sales...Is there a major difference in size between RR and Fillmore Denver? I would bet UW have no say in this.

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Red Rocks holds about 9000 people. The Fillmore apparently houses about a third of that. This is bullshit. They should've hired Daft Punk's promoters. Red Rocks was PACKED for Daft Punk in July.

Everyone has the right to be pissed off at this. I'm pissed off at this, but not so much since Denver is the closest place to me to see them, and I'm more interested in seeing Underworld than Red Rocks. Still I wouldn't go so far to tell Underworld, the band, to go "Fuck off" for this because I doubt Rick and Karl had much of a say about this. I just wish an explanation was given for the venue change.

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Could be worse, I suppose. We had a total ticket fiasco in Montana over Elton John tickets.

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Hmmm...come to think of it, I flew to THAT show too! That makes the last 3 times I've seen them - they've had last minute venue changes. I'm apparently jinxed.

It's plain bad promoting, people. Nothing else. No-one else is to blame but the ones in charge of this production. First they screw up by not winding people up enough to sell enough tix for Red Rocks...that means they're not good at their job. But to wait until NOW to change venues means they are dishonest theives, both for the promises they must have made to UW & for the low low 'bait and switch' thrown at us right now.

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They also needed to book a better opening act than Oakenfold. Jesus, I do not look forward to tolerating his set.

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I think these should be added to the mix:
team underworld

management geoff jukes
jukes productions
jukes@easynet.co.uk


http://www.jukesproductions.co.uk/

mike gillespie
the sunday club
underworld@thesundayclub.com
http://www.thesundayclub.com/


live bookings
cris hearn
primary talent
cris@primary.uk.com

(world ex. usa) http://www.primary.uk.com/

gerry gerrard chaotica inc.
inquire@chaotica.com
(usa/mexico/canada/carribean) http://www.chaotica.com/

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[COLOR=Indigo]I can totally understand you guys are very upset about the change of venue, it must be a real bummer for Underworld too! I think they were looking forward to playing at the Red Rock themselves very much.
On the boards people have been asking for a US tour for years, and now the second night at the Warfield was rather empty??? and not enough tickets sold for Red Rocks... :(

I was going to go to a gig at Gelsenkirchen, Germany a few years ago and that gig was cancelled, so be glad at least you'll have your gig, and please stop using this forum for such negative actions as calls for emailbombardments.
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This situation IS different.
Are we supposed to just sit quietly & do nothing?

You can't do this to people at the 11th hour ...

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[COLOR=Indigo]aren't emailbombardments illegal by the way?[/COLOR]

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[COLOR=#4b0082]I personally emailed those involved with my thoughts.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#4b0082]Nothing illegal about that.[/COLOR]
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It's ok to express your opinion, positive or negative, but what people are doing in this thread, goes beyond that.

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goes beyond that how? I don't want to bicker, but people are rightfully pissed off & they're complainung about it.
Where are you flying in from?

I agree, management, but promoters mostly, are more to blame than the band, HOWEVER. The buck does stop with them & their management.

Oakenfold should have NEVER been the opener - for a venue that large
or any other venue ...

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[COLOR=Indigo]if you knew a bit about the band, you'ld know they're not in it for the money.
I don't know what was the cause for the change, and i am really sorry for those who looked forward to seeing them in such a wonderful venue, i would be in tears myself, but calling for emailbombs goes way beyond expressing disappointment.
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I know quite a bit about the band. I met them. They played at my club, & I know how things work. The reason for the change is obvious. Otherwise, they would have said why.
I'm not expressing disappointment, We're expressing outrage ofv the way this disaster was handled from beginning to end.

ANYWAY
I'm a bit tired though of all this now, at this hour, I think it's pointless.
so I THINK i'm done here.
I'm going to go listen to some Underworld ...
What's done is done ... unless any of this helped them reconsider - miracles DO happen.

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[COLOR=Indigo]i hope a miracle does happen for you, i'll keep my toes crossed ;)[/COLOR]

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To Underworld : Come back in France ! you are the welcome, you can fill our small concerts halls no problem ! :D

More seriously, I am sorry for you the guys, and I hope that you will find a solution, but I don't think that Underworld is responsible. BUT, in that case, it' s unacceptable that live promoters, accustomed to this type of shows, do not anticipate the deficient sale of tickets and anticipate this type of disappointments.

it's not correct to spit so fast on underworld, without explanation of their part. especially when we know the respect for the fans from U.W.;)

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We are very sorry about the change of venue for the Denver show and even more sorry about how the news has been broken.
It's come as a surprise and bitter disappointment to us also - it's been a dream to play Red Rocks for many many years.

The bottom line is that ticket sales for the Red Rocks show have been poor and for weeks we've been assured that sales would pick-up and that the show would go on. At this point we're unclear as to why, but at the end of the day we were not presented with any choice. It is disappointing to say the least, and responsibility for an honest explanation falls to us - but all those who purchased tickets and in some cases are planning long journeys to make this show are due some sort of explanation.

Thank you for your words of support.

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Well that's a start, thank you.
Ok then, how 'bout a three hour show !

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I know this is going to sound stupid and rude, and really, I don't mean it to be like that, but did you guys promote this in the Denver area? For instance, my dad is an assistant manager for a big supermarket store in my town, and they've occasionally done special one day mega sales where things like cereal (among other items) are dirt cheap for one night only. And they've hardly done any promotion for it except for a couple radio ads. So no surprise when no one shows up.

I'm wondering what kind of promotion was done in the Denver area. Daft Punk filled up Red Rocks, which can be partially if not wholly attributed to their Coachella performance, and I know from a friend that other DJs fill it up too. The Global Dance Festival regularly fills it up every year, so it's not like there's a lack of interest in electronic music in the Denver area. I know it sounds like I'm being stupid and rude, but I am honestly curious.

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you fuck off.
it's amazing how the tons of sympathy i've had for your situation is just flying out the window because you're yelling, cancelling, abandoning and cursing everything in sight before peep one from the underworld camp. you feel fucked so obviously it must have been a bait and switch underworld was privy to. never mind that they might be just as disappointed because no one bought tickets. never mind that tons of people who were setting this up were disappointed and saddened as well, it was your wedding week.
the warfield and fillmore here in SF arent the best either. it's got a small floor so it feels allright, but a lot of standing room is taken by fucking tables and the crowds have to be pushed from here to kingdom come to get moving, but the soundsystem is great and it's still underworld at the controls, so a complete cancellation/email bomb/blood vendetta because it's not a legendary venue is, at the end of the day, really petty.

i know i'm being a dick and crapping on people who already feel beat down about this, but how fucking badly are you missing the big picture if you launch into this because there isnt as much eye candy than you were looking forward to?

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Just got an e-mail from LiveNation Denver's head honcho. He basically says that LiveNation didn't sell enough tickets to fill Red Rocks, and they wanted a full venue. He spends some time establishing his street cred. He totally sidesteps the fact that my friends all paid big bucks and are making long journeys to come here, but offers an in-person apology.

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He ( Mr. Pres of LN) should have predicted this,
sucked it up, taken the loss he created by not promoting well
or adding a decent opener.
Instead, we take the loss.
Way to go Clear Channel (again)
A despicable response.
He makes it sound like we're getting a better deal.

I feel for the band, though I'm sure they'll perform their hearts out for us & themselves as well ...
I hope they never work with these "folks" again.

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after seeing underworld rock a half full venue in junkie alley san francisco, im absolutely thrilled to get the chance to see them up close in another small venue. The band are playing great sets and sound fantastic. I bet they rock the Fillmore Tuesday night. Seeing underworld is my primary concern. Pretty rocks come later.

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Well, Red Rocks only filled a third of the way would've sucked a bunch of energy out of the show, especially if everyone scattered. It would've looked and felt kinda ridiculous. So to some degree, yes, I can understand this. I don't like it, but no amount of bitching and moaning is going to change this (unless of course they sell another 5,000 tickets by Monday).

I think I'm siding with dubman now. Yes, I'm pissed, but fuck, at least they're still putting on the show. It is still UNDERWORLD.

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Well, I'm still dissapointed in the change of venue, but I'm not going to let it ruin my trip. Ultimately it's about seeing Underworld live in concert, which is still happening. I'd be way pissed off if the show was cancelled for some reason. When the Red Rocks show was first announced I contacted a few Dirts in Colorado and decided that the Red Rocks show was the way to go. I bought tix's for the show, bought a plane ticket and booked a hotel.

So I'm out here in Denver and enjoying myself. Went out to the Garden of the Gods today, took some cool pics, did a little hiking. Still psyched for the show on Tuesday night, I'm sure UW is going to try and make up for all the headaches. At least the crowd is going to be full of 'dirts' having a good time. Luckily I'm still on for the Central Park & Boston show, but honestly, the Red Rocks show was the one I was most looking forward to.

Hope to meet up with ya guys on Tuesday. Now I have to figure out where the hell the Fillmore is. see ya.

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junkie alley is right. just one block up it's all bloomingdales and expensive shoe places, but the warfield is a hub of HAVE YOU GOT A DOLLAR COME ON MAN YOU TELLING ME YOU DONT HAVE A DOLLAR.

tho honestly i can't tell which is worse. bloomingdales is pretty fucking terrifying. there's no life there. soul get sucked into the top floor vaccuum as everything becomes more spotless and bland riche.

sorry, i live in a cowtown.

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Here's a little news on the upside of things: the current weather reports are "PM rain" (9news) and "60% chance of thunderstorms" (weather.com). My regards to anyone who hasn't seen a show at Red Rocks, it's a wonderful experience. But in my case I'm OK with a little smaller, and drier, show. I look forward to seeing you all there.

willy

www.myspace.com/thenightowl

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I agree with Brotherdub. I'm gonig to see Underworld, no matter what. The venue would be nice - but for me, this is a religious experience. I've been waiting for well over ten years to see UW live. As long as I get front and freaking center, and dance like a maniac for the whole set, that's all I want.

Oh, and maybe, just maybe, a killer rendition of Juanita and Cherry pie :)

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dubman, it was rude of me to swear at you. true. i'm sorry about that. it's totally stupid to actually vent on a forum anyway. i'm sourly dissapointed and won't be going. they could have easily played vancouver instead of denver. the ONLY point in going to denver was to see them at red rocks. it's pretty rocks, sure, but that was a really HUGE deal making that decision. my response was reactionary, and i appologize. i didn't really mean to attack you, but i'm pretty upset.