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negative1, if you read your talk page, I think we should consider merging a few of the pages; i.e., one Cowgirl article that includes the 2000 reissue, one Pearl's Girl article, etc. Even a single .NUXX article can include the number of reissues and the 2003 edition.

Speaking of Born Slippy, we should address the confusion that will stem from people thinking Born Slippy == .NUXX

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Wikipedia is based upon Wiki formatting

While there are numerous different Wiki software implementations, they pretty much all share the same syntax, so the content should be pretty portable from one Wiki to another. That is, as Stimpee said, we could just copy/paste the info we're creating in Wikipedia into a Wiki that is set up by Scott here.

The advantage of a Wiki type system is the "open collaborative editing" that allows anyone, with a simple syntax, to make changes or additions to the content, without requiring some type of account or administrative access to the server in order to update pages.

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should we move all this boring wiki
talk over there?

i responded over there too.

thanx for the input.

later
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I think the talk should be over here. Casual dirts who are not contributing to directly to the wiki are not going to be visiting a wiki talk page. As for anyone being able to edit it, thats the beauty of it. Raj, if youre worried about vandalism then that can also be taken care of if the UW wiki is created over here. A moderator can give access to people to allow only trusted people to edit the articles if need be. Right now, as it stands we should just get on with making it. Its all we can do.

For individual pages based on releases that have been re-released such as Cowgirl, Born Slippy (.NUXX), and Pearl's Girl then I believe you need the links in chronological order on the main discography page but that you can make them point to the same PG/CG/BS page. On those pages the discography can make it obvious which releases are which and not just give a big list of Born Slippy 12s and CDs. Thats what the formatting is for.

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The only reason I bring it up is because Wikipedia has standards. I'm afraid of getting yelled at and going through the AfD (Article for Deletion) motions because we have three seperate Born Slippy .NUXX pages. This is because Wikipedia strives to be an encyclopedia, not a discography database.

Obviously we won't face this sort of problem on a dirty.org server-side wiki, where we can do whatever the hell we want. But as far as wikipedia is concerned, well, we already have Confusion the Waitress up for deletion.

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one thing i have noticed, and think we should avoid, is listing items with '???' following them

and also the 'unconfirmed' elements...

i believe that we should not post any singles or formats or releases that we have no proof of existence, including the 'Spoonman' promo, which no one has seen, the Cowgirl UK White vinyl etc,. and there are a few more.

We should only be listing stuff on the Wiki that do actually exist and can be verified by the person editing the page.

I know my own website has some areas with speculative releases, but thats not an open source for editing, this is and as such it should contain 'true' release, and not speculation, otherwise we will see more 'releases' up for deletion...

and also we perhaps need to be a little more accurate in our notetaions, rather than speculating where releases came from who has them how they got there, etc. after all we want this to be an accurate encyclopdia - speculation and conjecture should be posted elsewhere...

Mattval1

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1 what standards? i've seen plenty of speculative information
on there.

2 i'm not worried about deletions, because you can always
put it back

3 i like matts site where you have an article about something
(like the born slippy phenomenon), that links to the discography

4 once again, if it's not going to be correct and linear, for the
discography, whats the point?

5 feel free to edit out all the unconfirmed stuff, i know i don't
have most of them, but i'm sure someone does..

6 we need a lot more writers, (or better writers), i've put
up the skeletons for most of the uwmk2 singles, up to
bruce lee....can someone do the rest?

thanx again for the input..

later
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didn't wanna diss your work Raj, you've done a great job putting all that stuff up there, and now the templates are there, we can all add stuff to them - which is the idea

and i'll add some input it it all soon myself...

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what the wiki strives to be is irrelevant. other bands have comprehensive discography sections split off from the main band page and it works well. i dont see why we should be any different. check out the depeche mode main page and then you'll see a link near the top with Depeche Mode Discography

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[COLOR=Indigo]ok, i think it was a good idea to join forces and start something like this, but what's the point of puting things up that can be taken down again? why not wait a bit till Scott has set up a wiki kind of thing at the dirty server? (or is it the name wiki that causes the hurry? ;) )
Once it's here, you can put up all that you want in any form you agree upon, whether you know every tiny detail or have to guess about some of it, whether it has been pressed 2 times or thousands of times.
Another thing is, i think a lot of respect is needed for eachother's input, e.g. don't start merging things together without prior consultation. I thought the whole idea was to be able to add.
If any one is very, meticulously, precise here it's Negative1.
I'm willing to help once it's set up here at dirty and there is some understanding about altering eachother's input etc ;)
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Indeed, these are the reasons I'm looking forward to a dirty-hosted wiki. There won't be nearly as many reasons for us to step on eachother's feet.

So why bother dealing with Wikipedia? Well, I personally think Underworld deserves better recognition on Wikipedia. A complete and accurate discography is certainly desired, but it's a matter of what is deemed notable by the Wikipedia community. We've already flagged their attention with the Confusion the Waitress article. Like Matt said, I think we should focus on the more influential releases with concrete evidence (chart status, citable reviews/interviews, etc.).

The two projects will be markedly different. On Wikipedia our goal should be to establish Underworld as a significant influence to electronic music and popular culture. On the dirty.org wiki, we get to dive into all the details and eccentricities of the band, without having to formally introduce each article as "[[blah]] is a track by [[Underworld]], released in [[blah]] and reached [[blah blah]] ......." if you get what I mean.

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because the Wiki is where a lot of people on the internet look for information these days and it deserves to be a good source of Underworld information.[COLOR=Indigo]
[/COLOR]yes but we can do it now and very easily move the text over if and when it happens. why wait?

We should be concentrating on non-promo items for sure. Items that have been released in their 1000s not in handfuls (ME/The Hump excepted).I know what you mean. The Wiki should aim to be more informational but it does need a basic discography. What it doesnt really need is such a comprehensive discography as is wanted here.

What I dont get is why we should STOP what we are doing when all the information is so easily transferrable. To tanyone suggesting this you are welcome to stay away from it until a dirty wiki is started, its your choice. I'm sure i'm not the only one who is kind of enjoying creating this and will also enjoy moving it over and helping create a dirty wiki too. The wikipedia isnt going anywhere anytime soon. Maintaining 2 wiki's won't be too much of an effort either, once the main discog and info is created.

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i checked out the depeche mode, and the new order entries,
both are very simple, and missing a lot of items..although
i like the table format..

i'd rather go to : depmod.com and the niagara new order
discography for more information....but that's just me..

once again, whats wrong with trying to be complete?
especially if the information 'can' be moved somewhere
else later on..

i haven't seen what the rest of the underworld entries
are going to be like, so i can't really comment on what
are going to be complete/accurate/etc....and i don't
know about the earlier/latter releases anyways, so
i won't be touching those...

like i mentioned, we really need a lot of writers, and
even a picture for the group.....where's all the people
that write so much here? all i wanted to do was to make
one section of it accurate, which i think is minor to all
the rest of the work that needs to be done...

i know matt's up for adding to it, but why not start now,
and see how it goes?

later
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i updated the page for '8 ball'...
and fixed the links forward/back..
need to add some other promo's in there..

can someone do the write-up for the
anthology? and for the uw MK3 releases?

good to see they kept 'confusion the waitress',
good work matt, and ethan.

thanx

later
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i've partitioned the main page by album
-removed uk hits section
-started the discography page here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underworld_discography

this is probably more basic for regular people,
and it needs uw MK1 , MK3 stuff added,
along with all the videos, compilations, etc..

i wonder if we should remove all the discography
from the main page?

later
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Having just come back from the UK on holiday and checked the status of the wiki, i'd like to thank all those involved for the input as I see it has come a good distance.

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i've added thumbnails for most of the singles,
some scans taken from:

http://www.kompaktkiste.de/underworld.htm

later
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finished the last couple
of stubs for the singles..

that should do it for now..

later
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Life has been put on hold for the World Cup but normal service (kinda) will be resumed soon so I should go thru the pages and see what I can add.

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me too...

First off, i think we need to make the text on the discography uniform, so basic things like below are standard:

Push Upstairs

NOT

push upstairs (lower case)

NOT

PUSH UPSTAIRS (all upper case)

both versions, of which, appear in some form or other on the discography pages - it looks shoddy...

If these haven't been changed by anyone i'll do it when i get the chance, and in the meantime if anyone is adding things please can we use standard English grammar, and not variations like those above, i suspect some chunks of text have just been copied and pasted from various sources, including my website, where its all capitalised, but my site is uniform in this, and i think the wiki should be too...

i know Raj has basically set this up so everything is there in some format from the start - which is great, now it needs tidying up in the detail and final (fine detailed) presentation. Raj has done a brilliant job in getting it all on there now we need to fill it out.

I've changed a couple of things in a few places already:

for example its: Why, Why, Why and NOT Why? Why? Why?

also in any descriptions i think we should move away from simple opinions and just put in facts, for example i changed part of the description for Rez:

It became one of their best club/live anthems despite the fact it could not be found on an album, to:

It became one of their biggest club/live anthems despite the fact it could not be found on an album.

i felt that read better...

and finally for now, i think we should take down anything that has no verification whatsoever, such as question marked releases '??' and things like the Spoonman promo - which, i suspect, never came out ever.

We can add these things back in, as and when they do surface (if ever) but i'd rather not see them on somewhere like this, i feel that these things are ok on fan sites, which like to speculate about releases and such, but as part of a discography on an official encyclopedia type site, i think they should be removed.

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I've just been scouring a pile of 100's of articles that i have been sent - way too much Freur & UW info than is possible... and this will go along way into helping my Underworld history when i get round to writing it...

but thats all by the by, as part of the clippings, i have, there is a page load of DJ charts from the time UW started out and one DJ, Kenneth Baker (who?) lists in his chart:

2. 'Spoonman' (White)

now, i wonder if this actually was ever promoed separately, or whether this is one of the 12"'s from the W/L Dubnobass 2xLP set, which certainly does exist (as i have it) and may go someway to resolve the confusion over the existence of the Spoonman Promo...

if anyone does indeed have a one sided promo 12" of Spoonman, i have yet to hear of it, and wouldn't be surprised if this White mentioned was indeed part of the Album and not a seperate release.

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Kenneth Bager aka Dr. Baker is a Danish Dj. Had a big hit 'Kaos' in the early 90s. Started his own label 'Coma' and released Mental Generation's Cafe del Mar which Underworld liked so much they wanted to remix it.

Would love to find out more about that Spoonman 12" too :)

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i've added 'the misterons mix' info onto the wiki,
however, i dont' have a tracklisting yet..

later
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Ok, i've started formatting each page so it looks a bit nicer and have added in some additional bits and pieces of info i have gathered from my files / own knowledge...

Having originally, with the help of some others, set the standard with the Spikee / Dogman Go Woof page, i have decided to use that one page as the basic outline of how the rest of the Wiki discog should look. (i.e. to keep all the listings in a similar format / wording).

I've decided to go in order of releases and have just modified Mother Earth / The Hump & Mmm... Skyscraper I Love You pages, so any pages after these chronologically with the exception of Spikee, will require changing.

If you think anything needs changing on these pages let me know here...or go ahead and make the change yerself...

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I went through a few of the singles pages today, mostly cleaning up Track Listings so the formatting is more uniform (capitalizations, parentheses, etc.), and when I hit Dirty, I realized there isn't a page for Lemon Interupt. Do you think we should make one?

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OK, I split out the content for the Dirty and Dirty Epic singles, and while I was at it, I created a Bigmouth page. Now we're just missing a Lemon Interupt page.

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i'm trying out the eclipse editor:

http://www.plog4u.org/index.php/Usin...d#Installation

if you're feeling adventurous try it out,

i think it will help greatly, if you want to
edit offline, and do a lot of work, when
not connected to the internet..

ok, couldn't get it to work, now trying jedit, http://www.djini.de/software/mwjed/

later
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I added articles for the 5 new 12" releases. Feel free to look over them and fix anything. I threw them in under the Singles category.

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i dont think they should be added until they are
actually released..

or maybe i'm just a pessimist..

later
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they are definitely coming out... for sure...

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I'm just impatient. :)

And having fun with Wikipedia. It appeals to my fastidiousness.

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that wasn't my point..

future releases, i think shouldn't be added
until they are actually out..

i've seen a lot of things that say they'll be out,
but then they change, etc..(seen it happen
to new order, depeche mode, etc..)

actually, i think there's a notation you can put
that warns people that its a future release.

of course, i do hope they come out..but until
they are really out, and someone has them..

you never know..

later
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i'll let you know when i get mine then ;)

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And the lazy among us are appreciating the work that is going into this. Awesome job chaps. :)

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Added. :) That means they show up on the Upcoming albums list now too. Whee! Wikipedia is fun.

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nice picture of the duo from ethan is up..

however, i think there should be a picture
with darren price, since he's a member also...

later
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There are a few promo pics of the trio in the Perou galleries, if someone wants to pick another one. There are also some more of them in the Tokyo 2005 gallery.

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Best ask Perou for one then. He dosn't like pictures to be linked without permission. And since he was member here for a few hours (where did you go???) he might perhaps give one with (c) on it.

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OK, now that I have the vinyl in hand, I've added final details (catalog numbers, track listings, etc.) to the Wikipedia articles. However, can someone upload an image of the Vanilla Monkey jacket? Apparently the one I grabbed from the HMV site was not the final artwork, cause my vinyl is significantly different.

Also, I've created an article for the Breaking and Entering soundtrack and added it to the Discography.

Trying to figure out where (or even if) the promo CD's for the Riverrun Remixes should go. My first thought was to put it under The Riverrun Project section. But maybe it could go under Singles and EP's too, I dunno. Any suggestions? Or leave them out entirely?

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Any more progress on this recently?