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look for 2step/uk garage or tacky R&B.

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yes. i'm seriously pulling that. he said any fool can make it. he said it wasn't special. then provided a track that attempts to imitate Burial.

the only thing i can recommend is you put me on ignore. i'm an asshole, i'm old and i don't see either of those things changing.

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http://www.darktrain.org/dirty/forum...t=ignore&u=337

i think that link is a direct link to Ignore me. Please click it.

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Burials last album was one of the best of 2006 for me, can't wait to hear the new one.
I first got into Burial after reading an interview about his production techniques - interesting reading.
http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.co...oy-burial.html

Don't know about the new album, but it seems like a lot of the loops in the first one are handcrafted in SoundForge...

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that might be feeding the delusion that you're an intolerable ass who's just so unbearably perceptive in his assery that he *must* be ignored to preserve our brains.

just saying.. you're being a pretty standard internet butthole and pulling out an argument for burial which should only be the last resort of fans with nothing to say. just because you admit to being mean doesnt mean people shouldn't say you're being completely ridiculous.

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that's fine dubman. LX's claim that 'any fool' can make it only attempts to demean the artistry and vision that goes into creating something like Burial's LP and singles. people say this shit all the time and i think it's valid to say, 'if it's so easy, then do it yourself'. not sure why that statement is more ridiculous than some n00b with Garageband or Abelton to say Burial (or some other respected producer) is a simpleton doing what any fool can do.

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because it's asking them to have that same talent before they can diss on a record, which would be equivalent to saying you cant actually appreciate it if you dont have that talent either. it's attempts to null the criticism of the listener by placing ridiculous standards on them for the safety of asserting that this is the greatest thing ever. it's cowardly and cheap. there's people all over the world who are "good" at listening and talking about music but would never be in the right space mentally to create it.
and often the most bald-face and unrefined observations about music can prove to be the most accurate. as irritating as it is, to have a guy call BS once in awhile let's us have a reason worth saying on an MB about why we like what we do. i dont like Lx_Nen's shortcut that because it is what it is makes it no good, and i agree that he's oversimplifying it because Burial's music and textures are so fertile, abundant, and visually engaging in every way, but i could see where he's coming from with it as someone who simply doesnt feel it and is taking it purely on an impression. i certainly wouldnt debate him citing all of the outside noise the album has generated instead of speaking on personal levels about the music itself.
because *that's* the level where being a dick would be just dumb instead of irreverent

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i disagree. LX said any fool could make it. that's what i'm criticizing. i wouldn't expect him to have the same talent if he just wanted to say it was simple music. however, he said, ANY FOOL can make the music Burial makes. that's why i said what i did. did you read his statement? i think you're just mad at me and taking out some frustrations in this thread.

LX said ANY FOOL can make the music Burial makes, including him. if that's true, i want to hear his stuff. i'm not saying he needs to be a good guitarist to criticize a guitar player. i'm not saying he needs to be able to sing to criticize a singer. i'm not sure where you're coming from in your statement but if LX believes any fool can make the music, then lets hear him do it.

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see the issue here? i'm not debating his right to critique Burial.

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I'll stick my hand in the air and say 'mea culpa' for a lot of this flamewar. My post was intended to be taken far less seriously than it has been. I threw a simley and a joke about mmm Skyscraper in there, and used a silly name, but it seems people didn't get the joke.

I wanted to have a stab at getting the Burial sound, and I thought my results were interesting enough to share, that's all.

My point was that anyone could make the same sort of soundscapes as Burial, not that anyone could be as good as Burial. I'll say for the 3rd time that I do like the first Burial album, and I do 'get it'... but I'd be very interested to know if people who don't 'get it' rate my quick pastiche highly or not.

The blackdownsoundboy article inspired me to give the Burial sound a go, as the techniques described in it are undoubtedly very simple. I used Reason not Soundforge for my first go, so I've not got the offbeat timings, which may be why mine sounds (no pun intended) dead compared to the real thing.

The next stage for me is to make another one of these tracks, but with the handmade timings explained in the article and some suitable 2step/uk garage samples (not genres I'm very familiar with, so please bare with me while I find some), and see how much of the magic is Burial, and how much is Burial's samples. I'm still linterested in finding out the answer to the question I posed earlier - is Burial good because he's in a field of his own, or is he good despite being in a field of his own?

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...and I'll stick by it. Any fool, including me can make a track that sounds like Burial. I did put my money where my mouth is, by making a track and posting it.

Nobody is seriously going to suggest that my first go at it is anywhere near as good as Burial, but I don't think anyone can deny that it does sound like Burial. Burial on a bad day, or the bottom ranked track in the shortlist of 100 he had for his first album maybe, but none the less I think it does sound like Burial, and with more appropriate sample choice, it will sound even more like him next time.

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again, i think he's wrong. but he not only asserted but did what he thought was an approximate imitation of a burial track, and us two happen to vehemently disagree. BUT, instead of just going with the comment, you took the failure of his effort to completely discredit it, whereas other people might say the same thing and be able to argue about it a bit better without fumbling it like he did.
but it wasnt even adressed. i didnt *really* care about the ensuing tete-a-tete until that horrid "YOU CANT DO IT SO SHUT UP IT GOT POPULAR" train of thought was brought up, which is both funny and sad enough to ask that if you're going to be a dick, then do it without looking whiny too.
and now the sneaking suspicion of devolving discussion can't really be ignored at this point.

i know kid cue hates it, and i know it says how my sense of patience and anticipation have been erased by years of being spoiled by leaks, but the best way to pick up the p[eices in this thread and make everyone happy is if this album leaked NAO.

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the idea that any form of electronic music can be made by any fool or that it's the samples that should take the credit, not the artist, are old, tired and insulting comments that sound like they're coming from a rockist/rock fan's perspective. if you think anyone can make the same stuff and it's just a matter of picking good samples, you're confused. electronic music is not 100% reliant on the software and the samples. to believe so is to be fooling yourself. what's the difference between saying that and saying, oh, i just bought a guitar and i'll be able to replicate The Edge or Hooky in no time?

if you believe you can replicate Burial with your gear, do you also believe you can imitate great guitarists or drummers if you had their same kit? there's no difference in my mind.

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i'm not sure why this is an interesting or significant point...?

this seems very simple. some people have an ear (eye, whatever) for beauty that others don't. their technique and reference points are independent factors. for those of us who know the history of the music Burial is referencing, that adds a lot, but it doesn't change the fact that the music is clearly emotional and well-thought out. re: technique, if you listen to "Unite," which was made in Logic and not SoundForge, you'll find that it's as good as anything else he has done. i'm not sure why you are on a detective mission to answer a bogus question.

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it's easy! it's just samples, crackles and reverb. any fool can do it.

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Why can't we just share the love for Burial music. Somehow I really don't care how it's made, or how easy it's made: Burial grabs me, and I like teh music. So there.
Please waste your time on something else than acting like smart asses and argueing over nothing.

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Fuck you Leon I'll murk you blud.

Lx_Nen made a dumb statement and was called on it.

BLD is a wanker, but he's right.

Dubman has a crush on BLD.

kid cue is hot.

I'm going to get drunk and listen to those samples for a few hours.

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who am i kidding...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...a6799100-1.jpg

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lol gg



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wow. nicely done tom.

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:D :D :D

that's awesome dubman.

seriously. i love arguing about music. i don't take this personally so no hard feelings.

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none taken.

oh, also:

I'M GOING TO MELT.

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You mean the German festival in summer?

Good chance I'm going there too.

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no i mean this album completely destroys

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hahaha fuck, I read that totally wrong.

Still have to get this album.

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Album of the year hands down bar none fuck you and your family win.

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I gave it a (very) quick listen and there are a few tracks on there that remind me too much of his first record, which is kinda what I feared to hear.

But I also heard a lot of good sounds and vibes, good song "writing" and those unexpected changes and progressions.

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well leon, Burial has a limited sound palette to choose from which i believe is his preference. i feel like he's created both albums from nearly identical sounds and both sound unique.

however, i am a bit weary of the constant pitch-shifted vocals. i like the effect but feel it could have had more impact if it had only been used on 2/3 songs instead of every song on the album.

he also has 6-8 more tracks that are finished that should be coming out on ep's in the near future.

overall i rate this several notches below his debut but it's still a good album.

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god...
when's the FLAC going to be available for this on bleeo?!?!?!?!?
it's said "will be available" for like... the past






...erm
24 hours




(just realized that it only became available @ midnight on sunday)

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great...

now if I use that same sample from Inland Empire... everyone's going to think I got the idea from him... even though I recorded that section off the dvd like... 2 months ago

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i like this one a lot more than his debut.
it's got a center.

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yeah, it's all center and no edges though.

*puts on gloves for round 2 ;) *

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honestly, i have to say that i do really enjoy the record. i'm looking for things to dislike in it. it's one of the best albums i've heard this year. i just wish there was a bit more variety in the tracks. i should relisten to the debut LP and make sure i'm remembering that one correctly.

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oh-ho-ho, you're gonna have to wait a little while. i've been playing it off but i haven't been this moved by a record in at least a couple of years. i've been excited, i've drawn endless inspiration and have been very happy with other records before, but not genuinely *moved* like this since Polmo Polpo.
brain always moves faster than the words so i've been good about not saying anything too embarassing yet, but if you absolutely insist on not recognizing how completely awe-inspiring this record this during that time, well....

;)

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hmm, sounds a bit like convextion. but i can actually find this record in a store somewhere :)

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i went everywhere in the Village and could not find it!!!!!! whatever happened to having imports on import release day???????

:hyperventilates:

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I always thought that Polmo Polpo and Burial went nicely together.

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:) :D :D :D :D :D :D


i love this albumn

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Huh? Amazon has it on pre-order, at least. More than 500 copies of a double vinyl available only for £39 in the UK if you buy it from the label owner at his house (and btw his number is unlisted, his mailbox is unmarked, and his email address bounces)

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I haven't seen Inland Empire yet, but when listening to Untrue for the 3rd time, I tought the sample you were talking about may be the one at the start of "Etched Headplate" ?