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Sorry! if I recal

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If I Remember Correctly :)

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That'll do too LOL

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heh! (hadn't spotted your's...) (not that i want to put acronyms in your mouth!)

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LOL, just a point I'd like to mention. Luuurve your personal Pic //VV :D good ole Hartley!

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How did we get off the topic of this thread to talk about something totally diffrent??? Say what you want, but unless you have some experience in religion and politics and music you should'nt be talking soo much.
Like I said, Music is a very spriritual tool and depending on the type of spirit and ambience of one's soul, thats what get's transferred. Music has always been about the spirit, it's not just about playing music and theres nothing to it. My question wether underworld is satanic was'nt to accuse, but to ask because, like I said I like electronica, dance, trace and all sort of of stuff that has some relation with it, but recently I have been a bit parranoid and carefull about subliminal messaging thru music especially since alot of trance music is based on "obviously going into trances" and feeling like an out-of you-body experience that shit is well know as somewhat satanic by some religions......all though hinduisn and budhism believes in meditation that is considered to be somewhat of a traced-state-of-mind. Dont believe me! Look it up on GOOGLE about trances and some site's will have very precise information regarding this, and im telling you, it will freak you out...I dont know how I started to look this up, but I did and now I can't turned back. I did'nt want to stir shit up, because i personally like some tracks from UNDERWORLD, but im a big believer in GOOD and EVIL and I'd rather not listen to them if they and there music is influenced be you know who...........Look up THE BOARDS OF CANADA they play electronica-trance and youll see that they have and even admitted to adding subliminal messages about bad wierd shit. Maybe consciously you dont get it or hear it, but subconsciously the mind react's.
You may critizice me for my post, but I have enough experience musically and somewhat spiritually to say what i say...........

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I bent my wookie :(

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Religion - check.
Politics - check.
Music - check.

I still think you don't have all your dogs on one lead though, mate.

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Underworld, Boards of Canada, trance, dance music in general has NOTHING to do with satanism, end of story. I don't care how many backwards samples BOC use in their music that doesn't mean that it's "subliminal messages". It's just a guy talking...backwards! OMG IT'S THE WORK OF SATAN!! :rolleyes:
Name me one real-world example of a person accursed with the evil spirit by subliminal messages in music.

It's true that some extreme religious people view dance music, or popular music in general (or heck, even any form of fun; remember how flying kites was forbidden in Afghanistan under the Taliban?) as the work of the Dark Lord (and I don't mean Darth Vader ;)), which only proves that extreme religiousness (not an actual word) doesn't go hand in hand with sanity.

Again, I point you to the quote in my signature. It doesn't really get any more clear than that.

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popeye34: And Underworld and Boards Of Canada have nothing to do with trance music either. So, "unless you have some experience in electronic music you should'nt be talking soo much."

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Popeye34, i respect your convictions and concern about spirituality and music. Indeed, there exists some very uplifting and positive music out there, as well as some scary shit that could be designed to impress/exploit the listener (e.g. death metal, maybe hardcore industrial, etc). But i don't think you need to worry about Underworld as one of these bands. In fact, i'd venture that most trance music isn't composed to subliminally affect the listener, but instead to make 'em dance. If this becomes a religious experience for the listener, well that's up to them.

There've been times i've been more or less convicted about being careful in my surroundings and not being swayed...wer'e bombarded with suggestions everywhere: adverts, tv, movies. That's the world we live in: everyone wants your money and support. That could apply to ANY music act...they want your money and support, too. But they also want you to enjoy their tunes, and i think Underworld has made it clear that they respect their fans and want to share good vibes.

Hope this helps somewhat. Anyway, welcome to the boards...you'll soon see that most threads here go in weird random directions, It's the dirty charm!

Holden

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Yup, BoC have nothing to do with Satanism, they aren't members of a cult, they don't live in an occult community and they don't make their music inside a bunker.
Yes, they did use occult symbolism in their previous albums (not the Campfire Headphase), but that was just part of the production.

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Not wanting to criticize you, but i think that a fair few people here also have 'enough musical experience' to be able to tell you that 99% of all (trance) music isn't intended to warp minds...

Those of religious faith, may or may not be 'lead' by what they hear in music, but those without faith, just hear music...well i do anyway, because i don't know of Satan and cannot be lead into believing it by some melodic beats

- i know this is kind of debate is for other places on this board, but i think some people are a little too warped by their own religion and their religious beliefs, and should look at their own religions before accusing 'artists' of alteria motives...

I cannot fathom out what reason Underworld would want to bend our minds and turn us on to?

And i know you have been harping on about 'trance' music, but i'd say only 10% maximum of Underworld's music is trance, and Boards of Canada - are not what people who know about music would cite as Trance either...

but hey, you are free to voice your opinions on the matter, and if you think that some music is designed to persued you to do something, then thats how you interpret it, but i think that you would find it hard to prove that any of Underworld's music has subliminal EVIL messages within it...

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The biggest underworld addict, sorry, collector isn't influenced by them in anyway.... right.
;)

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We went on to other topics because yours was boring.

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ok - well...

first of all - I'm kinda insulted that Underworld and Boards of Canada were lumped into "trance music" as:

1) BoC and UW sound nothing alike
2) BoC and UW sound nothing like trance... what so ever


and about spirituality...
I'm going to try and over-simplify this - as I wrote a (pretty) long paper about this when I took a course on the "Psychological Study of Spirituality" a bit over a year ago ->

throughout your life, it is possible to have 'peak experiences'. These are feelings of euphoria, a 'oneness' with the universe, transcendance, some even feel like they 'feel' or become 'part' of God. These experiences are simply beyond words... so when we relate them to others, we sort of use religion / spirituality as somewhat of a 'template' to explain what goes on.

Amongst the triggers for these peak experiences, are music and artistic expression...

and when you think about it - what happens at clubs? Depending on who you are, what you wear / look like can be an artistic expression... so can dancing... the music itself can be a trigger... and you're 'congregating' with a large group of people to share in this expression... basically a 'fast track' to these peak experiences


....and none of it had to do with the devil

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Why? ;)

Yep.

Maybe I am just a jaded old cynic, but anyone who starts off posting stuff like this from day one has to be either a) trolling for the fun of it or b) seriously nuts.

If it falls into category a) then, yes, it is funny, albeit that the joke is then on the people who take this seriously and respond earnestly, which is what all trolls delight in.

Responding earnestly to a category b) on the other hand - someone who genuinely believes there is truth in dance music being the work of the devil - is encouraging delusion and is not so funny.

It is clear Mr Popeye hasn't taken on board any of the more serious responses to his initial post otherwise he would be coming back with measured rebuttal, not just more of the same.

Just my two penn'orth

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6 pages of taking this minstrel muffin seriously?
the devil really has invaded...

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Are you serious?

You are?

OK.

I live in the UK, which, in certain quarters, has the proud title of "the Most Secular Country in the World". The Vengeful Sky-God (and his preposterous arch-enemy) don't capture the imagination in the same way they do in various land-locked areas of the USA.

Underworld come from the UK too. Any source of light or darkness or any of the infinite shades in between that you sense are from them, you, me and us. The Human Race.

No two-thousand-year-old cartoon characters required.

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he is, of course, an agent of beelzebub in some people's eyes...

(just to keep this 'on message' for good ole popeye ;))

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*ahem* User CP... Edit Options... 40 posts per page. Bingo. Its on page 2, not 6.

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Noooooooooo! Leave the Wookiees out of this! Poor old Chewie... never accepted by music business, only because he had a little more hair than others had... so sad!

Hmmm, another Star Wars mention... makes me suspicious. Is Star Wars evil? Is it trance? Is it both? Or are Underworld evil Star Wars junkies? Did they - in pre-Freur times - invent Star Wars? Maybe at least the costumes and hairstyle? Riddles upon riddles...

On the topic: I've been listening to Underworld tunes and trance music for some years now and I haven't noticed any subliminal changes towards the "dark side" sneaking up from my subconsciousness - neither did my friends tell me I was becoming a satanic freak. Are they also influenced (although they don't listen to electronic music) or do they just avoid embarassing me? Aaahh, this way lies madness! I'll just disregard these thoughts for sanity's sake.

What's the point of all this nonsense talking? I conclude I haven't been affected by the music I listen to in a way that I or my surroundings would consider "evil". So, either there is no such subliminal influence or it works verrrry slowly or I'm immune to it. Either way I don't care. No influence: Good, keep on dancing! Slow affection: Don't care because by the time it gets serious I'll be dead. (Hmm... what about my soul...? I'll have to see to that later.) Immunity: I'm a god and can do anything! Satan can't affect me, mwahahaha...

By the way: I'm just being told that the city loves me - and I like it! :eek:

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Popeye: maybe you'd like to examine Underworld's satan worshipping lyrics? You can do so here. Let me know if you make any sense out of them :)

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Nice link to Deep Blue Morrocco. Only don't click on the Forum Mainpage link otherwise you end up in some bizarre hacked loop that means you have to close down your browser.

The Devil's work, I say! :mad:

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UNderworld are mystics in the strange modern world. "30 thousand feet above the earth is a beautiful thing, And you're a beautiful thing".
Dostoevsky meets electronic music.

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I really don't have time to read 7 pages of replies, so if I'm repeating here I apologize - but I think that Karl said it best when he said, "Our music is the celebration of the human spirit".

period.

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yeps. see lloyd's sig.

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Yeah, best quote ever :)

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'tis true, I thought that was quite a profound quote on Karl's part.

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actually, it's MY sig ;)
(and I've pointed it out in this thread twice already)

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Well well..
I didn't mean to categorize this as trancy music, but what I did say is that all electronica has a trance like affect when you listen to it deep enough and I never said they were satanists, I merely just asked the question on what there view on the world through spiritual sense was. I personally aint talikng religion but I like I said before ALL MUSIC IS BASED ON HOW SOMEONES SPIRIT IS... You write about love, it comes from the spirit, You write about hate, it comes from the spirit all songs with words have a meaning and to actually know what it is could be very difficult knowing...

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Does it really matter? Do you feel love or hate or beauty or darkness when you listen to Underworld? I guess if you get bad feelings after listening to something, it may be best not to listen to it anymore.

...Reminds me of a lame old joke...
Patient to doctor: "Doc, it hurts when I move my arm like this."
Doctor to patient: "Then don't move your arm like that." :)

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to be honest with you, most of Underworld music and lyrics come from overheard converstaions or snippets of sounds heard whilst journeying around the world, so the basis for UW's lyrics come from the world we live in...

if you want to disect the UW lyrics you need to disect the world we live in, thats not to say that some songs don't have inner meanings, like for example Born Slippy, which is about the world we live in under the influence of 'drugs' whether they be alcohol, narcotics or whatever...

to be frank most people don't know what UW's lyrics really mean anyway, and as such, thats the fun, Mr Hyde likes the fans to interpret what he's saying and what meaning it has, even if its wrong, and which is why UW initially published the lyrics to Born Slippy, because people were interpreting it as a Lager drinking anthem and it wasn't meant to be that...

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I've thought about correcting the underworls to underworld but its funnier this way :p

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Well that's been answered so are we in accord or are you still going to play the "I'm so pure nothing can touch my linen" thing?

I'm actually shocked at the cordial responses from some of the dirts; all I hear from you though is "Gotta watch what I listen to, don't wanna be killing people and worshipping Satan because some song told me to!" Bro, stand on your own 2 feet. If UW had subliminal chants of "You like to shag boys" do you think you would turn into a homosexual pedophile? Your mind is a stronger tool than that; it's not vulnerable to the crazy whims of a subliminal message. EDIT: Unless you have a weak mind.

Now with that, welcome to Dirty; try to learn something while you're here.

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word, that's all i can say.

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I agree.
I do look at the world on how fucked up it is, although my post might not make sense to some of you, I know there a few who catch it. Like I said I love electronica, but theres more to it than just playing along side a drum machine and a keyboard, but whatever.....I personally like there music and the only I brought this subject to the forums is to find out if any off you have seen or noticed and thing weird in electronic music PERIOD.
I can't sit here and say that all electronica is bad, after all its mostly instrument. So I guess most of you dont really seem to understand...I mean you understand, but you dont understand in a more deeper sense on what I was trying to get at and I guess I probably wont find anybody who understands being that you all are big fans of undeworld. It to complicated to get into point by point detail on what i was trying to say, but I guess it's not meant to be understood......and with that im out.......

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I think I understand what you're trying to say, I just can't get past the context of "good" and "evil", "god" and "satan" that you've wrapped your ideas in.

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Well, the only wierd stuff I've ever seen is at raves when everyone was hopped up on Extacy. But when drugs get involved, anything can happen. But we're not talking about reality here, drugs are a fabrication and leave the mind vulnerable to lapses of perception and judgement.

And no, I don't understand this "deeper" sense. What are you, religious and have a guilty conscience because of what some person of religious authority told you about electronic music? Now I'm curious and I want to get at the heart of what drives this wierd, borderline O/C pursuit for you. Listen, it's important for you to recognize and accept that not all people that listen to electronic music end up getting whacked out of their minds and shagging on a dirty dance floor at a rave. Most of the members of Dirty here are in a pursuit of something -- an education, creating good music, being good at their jobs, whatever... I actually own my own custom apparel business -- not bad eh? But becoming a bum, be it a druggie, a morally-corrupt person or anything else has nothing to do with music. It has all to do with personal choice and discretion. If music was such an influencing force, politicians would use it for personal gain and usurping control. The world would be an incredible mess, you know?

I thought you were a troll originally and I'm not 100% convinced that you aren't but, if you have a goal behind these questions with a certain number of criteria to settle, then you can obviously quantify the nature of your request. So I'm interested in hearing it...

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Maybe a visit to the TranceAddict forums will yield more results for you.