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rick wakeman is tall so is rick smith,fuck they're both called rick as well.

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can you please quit it with the Mr.Moderator stuff? I'm not telling people what to write. I was asking for more information. I got that information and gave thanks. Take your sardonic comments elsewhere.

On a lighter note, I suggest you watch Spinal Tap again, as the parody stretches across many genres.

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I know it's not Underworld, but Orbital uses one to great effect in the second and third "movements" of "The Box"!

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No, it's a stretch of your imagination. I stand by my assertions. i knew you'd disagree;)

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i am pretty sure that karl himself has mentioned about how they feel highly influenced by bands such as floyd and can and definatly brian eno. i´m sure someone will have a good memory and know for sure, but it is something that i think they have said.

and this is rediculous. like a facist thread if i have seen one ever!

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I couldn't possibly comment! ;)


Hehe. Seriously though, we shouldn't blur the lines between Stimpee the Moderator and Stimpee the Person. (Even if I deliberately chose to earlier :p). He is expressing a personal view here, however unreasonable that might be! I don't think that means he is stamping his Moderator Jackboot on anyone though. ;)

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"are you suggesting that we do a free-form jazz improv in front of a festival audience?"

they may have been rock for a long time; but they got prog. as stimps points out - stonehenge was a concept album and tour; you don't get more prog than concept albums...;)

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i disagree with any inclusion of Spinal Tap into the prog scene, because the band was basically an extended joke on a lot of happenings in music during the 70's-80's. Additionally, though concept albums are perhaps more common in progressive rock, if concept albums make you prog, you've just included the Beatles and the Who in there, for "Sgt Pepper" and "Tommy" respectively.

Underworld (well, mk II and on, anyway) have been about doing their own thing, using elements of different musical styles to new effect. Their ties to art, conceptual themes, and musical exploration are much more than the average band. To me, that makes them "progressive". If Prog rock in general makes you cringe, then perhaps you are only thinking of it at its worst and most overblown. That was not always the case...The music was, in it's day, very cutting edge, totally unlike what was happening in rock and pop. Like it or not, it has its place as a movement and many modern acts owe much to the genre (from space rock to shoegaze to IDM).
I don't think it's at all sullying the name of UW to call them progressive, because they DO share traits with that movement. The first time i heard "Stagger", it reminded me of some old King Crimson track. Certainly, they have been an electronic dance band for some time, and that's where their bread and butter is, how they ultimately are labeled and regarded, etc. But simple reasons such as their willingness to experiment with long musical movements, release incredible ambient and challenging music, create whole atmospheres with word/sound/performance/art, well, that's a step ahead of most acts today...Moving forward; advancing. Progressive. :)

holden

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"sense of humour failure - level b"

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i lost my humour with this thread pages ago! Thanks for the clarification, though...can't say i've followed the Tap's career:rolleyes:
Since i was a kid, i've been "that guy" defending bands i liked and felt were more musically developed than the top 40 poop everyone else was heralding. Guess i'm still at it:o

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a thread about prog rock was always going to be devoid of humour - and that's probably where prog and uw part company - there's always been a playful nature about uw, whereas prog was incredibly po-faced - rock dinosaurs that thankfully got punk going. the uk dance music ethic was also very punk. ergo - new thread - uw and punk.

this thread needed tap not as a factual reference; but to stop it disappearing up phil collins' jacksie!

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So, does Tool Qualify? And this may be stretching it, but what about Nine Inch Nails? I feel The Fragile was a pretty progressive album. As much as I love UW (my favorite artists), The Fragile is my all-time favorite Album. As a whole.

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This thread has an air of young people dismissing music their parents liked, and by young, I mean younger than 40.

Todd Rundgren was prog, and while he had his share of too-serious-to-loosen-up epics, some of his music is hilarious (check out the song "Onomatopoeia").

You could call Frank Zappa prog, but he took the piss on the form as often as not.

And the Ozric Tentacles are frequently very funny, if song titles are any indication, to their link with electronic music (Merv Pepler, drummer, playing d'n'b breaks live-on-a-kit on some early 90s songs).

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I would like to agree with you and in general its usually the correct comment but some young things here have been perverted by prog. ho hum.

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And the Ozric Tentacles are frequently very funny, if song titles are any indication, to their link with electronic music (Merv Pepler, drummer, playing d'n'b breaks live-on-a-kit on some early 90s songs).[/quote]

Isn't there link Eat Static?

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some people like Genesis and Underworld at the same time and we're trying to find a link...

there's no need...

end of thread...thank you

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That's correct: Merv and Joie of Eat Static were both members of Ozric Tentacles until the late 90s.

As for links... isn't it enough that people like any of these bands at the same time? Influences might be pretty tenuous (and I'd say, rather than a thread about prog rock being humorless, any thread that asks people to defend their favorite genres of music will be humorless, as some get really defensive), but it might be instructive to take a look. Even if it goes so far as to say that, for instance, prog is more classically influenced (ELP covering Aaron Copland and Bach), while electronic music (esp. Underworld) is more influenced by contemporary classical composers like Cage and Glass (that is, minimalist and other types of avant-garde which leaked into rock music via Eno and Throbbing Gristle (and if you've been listening to latter day Genesis P'orridge, you've been listening to post-prog psychedelic rock-- and there's probably a difference between those genres too).

But they all feed on each other... so who gives a fuck? Enjoy the music you enjoy.

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FECK! yes, curve were fantastic. first too EPs were anyway, 'ten little
girls' immediately springs too mind. shit albums though; but toni haliday! what a front woman! prolly looks like a boot these days but is still trying apparently. would never describe them as prog though.... and even less
inclined to dig out the cds (could never get the hang of vinyl).