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:D

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i'll knock a poll up to see if KH is an alcoholic...

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it's just my idea or what? the 'diamond jigsaw' is totally a girl. just pay attention to the first lines of the song.

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To prove that I can be as smart-ass-y as you lot, I'd like to throw in that Karl technically still IS an alcoholic, albeit a 'dry' one.

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I always thought it was "that great stuff"

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me too.

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I think the first one is "that white stuff" and the second is "that great stuff". Deep blue morocco agrees:

http://underworld.dougstewart.org/so...song=eightball

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I've always heard "great stuff" "great stuff"

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Of course not. I'm comparing your question to the infamous Bush smear campaign in the 2000 election that was disguised as a research poll. Their rationale was that they weren't actually claiming that McCain had fathered an illegitimate black child. They were just asking if it would influence your vote if he had.

Whether you intended it or not, a question like you asked about a topic that is heavy like this is loaded and full of implication. You can't disassociate yourself from that simply by saying that you were "just asking a question."

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I'll be damned if I won't; I just did. I asked a question and whether it was a heavy question or not, the backlash has been so over-dramatic and over-the-top that I will disassociate myself from this wave of spoiled fanboy-ish logic. So far I've been accused of calling Karl an alcoholic, and people have on multiple occasions in this thread predicted that I will be making assertions about Lady Gaga's "side income" and Karl's sex habits because of a song that I never even called into question.

Get over yourselves, fanboys. Take your bleeding heart, fervent idolatry to a therapist. I never called Karl an alcoholic, you all did so you need to check yourselves instead of me.

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Now who's being overly dramatic? :rolleyes:

I'm just pointing out that it's disingenuous for you to claim that it was an innocent question.

As for "fanboy" reactions accusing you of things you didn't say, yes, the :p after the Lady Gaga comment means that Mike was TOTALLY serious.

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Yes, I had gathered that at some point before, during or after your comparing my question to a smear campaign. Classy. ;)

I'll claim naivety and no more, I had sincerely intended on asking a simple question but based off of the reaction of others (fanboys!!!), I suppose that wasn't possible.

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So does anyone know?? :D

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You're definitely projecting. I didn't get anything dramatic and serious out of the initial post.

This thread has taken a turn that would make Karl sad. Don't make him sad, boys.

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http://i51.tinypic.com/vy5qg8.png

:p

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Not as funny as you thought it was. :(

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yeah, the topic took a very weird turn... a nasty weird turn mmm

not fun anymore :(

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Least of all for me. :) But whatever, I don't like to be accused of trying to burn someone untruthfully, especially someone who I respect as much as Karl, whose story actually helped give me confidence to hit the wagon a number of years back. Now the admaxistrator has forced me off the wagon.

Just kidding. But hey, TheBang, why don't you practice neutrality in your position instead of arbitrarily being accusatory? :mad:

/pissed
/rant
/thread

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Why do I need to be neutral? I'm not moderating anything in this thread. Did I threaten to oppress you with my powers?

The question didn't even bother me that much. It was the disavowal of the implications of it afterward. You can't honestly believe that asking the question:

"Premium Tequila, Diamond Jigsaw makes me...wonder if Karl's drinking again?"

has no inferences? You tried to brush it off as "What? I'm just asking a simple question?" But it's not even the same as asking something like "I wonder if Karl drank milk for breakfast this morning?" or even "I wonder what guitar Karl played on Diamond Jigsaw?"

Just own up to what you said. If it was a joke, say, "Oh, sorry, that's was probably in poor taste." If it was a genuine question, say, "Sorry, I didn't actually mean it that way, but I can see how it could be taken that way." Or don't even say anything. I don't really see any responses where anyone was genuinely upset by the thread. Just don't say "It was just a question! I didn't say alcoholic, you rabid fanboys who need therapy!"

P.S. I'm sorry it wasn't clear that I was equating your behavior to the implications in asking questions in that manner (and then saying "it's just a question; I'm not actually saying he did it"), and not to the actual smear campaign. I thought that was clear from my post, but I guess not.

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Forum is so much cooler now that we can post pics.

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I thought you turned off pics for yourself.

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Then I turned them back on after someone said I'd miss some sweet pics from inside lemonworld! I was tricked!

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What is it that you think I was inferring? Yes, I had asked if Karl has as of late been drinking alcoholic beverages. I just don't understand what you think that I was inferring when I asked.

Because the problem is, I wasn't inferring anything. I hadn't came to any conclusions. Before I do that, I like to ask questions, collect data, not jump to conclusions. Karl is on record as saying that a majority of his lyrics (though not all!) are snapshots if you will of things happening around him. So I asked. The problem arose when you started digging around, thinking that I had to have been up to something deceitful.

If you are thinking that I was trying to start some rumor that Karl was drinking, I can't help you with that. I just wanted to know if the lyric was autobiographical. I've already explained myself through and through. And you'd be wrong to think I'm trying to implicate Karl on anything, for your information. I'm not however going to own up to anything that I didn't do. If I had to guess, you're probably mad that I asked the question at all, which I think that I handled the subject matter very gently without judgment, implication or painting Karl in a bad light. And if you are, that's fine, just stop playing the idea that I had some ulterior motive because it's insulting and untrue.

Anymore of this, please see me in private. We can continue to squabble out here but others are already complaining and I'm not going to stop defending myself because tbh what you're trying to hang on me makes me look bad and I don't appreciate it.

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shut your face, mongoose is the kind of stupid that will find a way to be an unfunny dickbasket whether he has images or not

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If you read carefully, you'll see that I never accused you of doing so. I said, whether you intended or not, the question that you asked is full of implication. I always said that "your statement" or "your question" is full of implication. I never said that YOU implied. I can see that you still don't understand that.

The thing that really set me off was when you were like "It's just a question. I didn't mean what you guys are inferring." You'll notice I didn't say anything until you said that. That, to me, smacked of the tactics that really bother me, like that Republican smear campaign where they try to pass it off as research questions. Also, ref. "glenn beck killed a girl in 1990." I'm honestly flabbergasted that you can't recognize how that question is loaded with implication.

No, it didn't turn ugly until you responded to my post about the Republican smear campaign. To be fair, probably because it wasn't clear that I wasn't accusing of engaging in a smear campaign.

No, I don't think you did. Handling it gently would have been something like this: "I know Karl's had alcohol troubles in the past, so I was surprised to hear the Tequila lyric in Diamond Jigsaw. Do you think he's been drinking again? Or is maybe just referencing experiences in the past?" The brevity of what you wrote came off as flippant. But again, I understand now that you can't recognize the difference, and that's part of what's causing the problem.

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Uhm yea I had made an active choice in not to specifically reference his past, as if to just dig up the bones of it to animate it for leisure. That was my way of showing respect. Flowery and pretense isn't always good, but I guess you can't see that. And it's obvious that I'm right, that you are pissed that I even asked the question in the first place.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. And it looks like I'm going to have to never have to worry again about making you angry since I can see that it's something I do naturally. :)

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And see, even though you explicitly didn't mention it, it's still implicitly there. Except now it's up to reader interpretation, rather than on your own terms.

Nah, don't worry about it. It's not like I'm going to have a vendetta or ban you or something because of a disagreement.

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OH MY GOD WHY DO YOU CARE?

you're not karl's personal protector. who the fuck cares if his "brevity" came off as "flippant?" so the fuck what? he asked pretty much exactly what your reworded version asked, he just used fewer words. personally i didn't think for a second that he was trying to start a rumor, rubbing his hands together in devilish delight, or gnawing his fingernails in anxiety. he observed a lyric and asked, essentially, whether anyone else wondered if it was autobiographical because booze references don't come up too often in recent tracks.

how is this worthy of 7 pages of snippy angst-ridden bitching at each other?

relax, fellas. as i said way back on page 1: discussing karl's lyrics? madness this way lies. as evidenced by this stupid argument.

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So when he's moody, does he drink black coffee?

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I can be so mean sometimes! Anyways, post deleted, I am withdrawing from the matter entirely since it just can't get out of the public arena (though I DID ASK to take it private).

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Does he drown his past regrets in coffee and cigarettes?

(If you're referencing what I think you are then a million life points to you.)

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I guess the white stretched limo is a line of coke... But just want to say this is my favorite song right now...

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M.E.

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M.E.? What a powerful drug... :D

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why oh why oh why does everything have to relate to drugs...???!?!?!

a white stretch limo is a pretty normal sight in London, for example...

why would a non drug using 50 year old singer need to refer to drugs in a vield / disguised way, if at all....

born slippy - lager - was written during KH's well recounted drinking days, they have moved on a bit from then, and i seriously don not think that many if any of underworld lyrical references are references to anything other than actual things... a white stretch limo is simply that, a limo, parked outside... if you feel the need to interpret it as drugs then fair enough, thats more a problem associated with dance music culture and youth culture of today - i just don't feel the need to pin it on KH....

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oh sorry, I didn´t mean drug as narcotics I meant the enchantment of the music of course
M.E. is one of my favourites

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I like M.E. but the clear lyrics were because it was originally intended to be a MK1 song. Hence the (somewhat) cheesy nature of lines like "I'm coming to get you if you don't give up".