DIRTY EPIC IS STILL FUCKING AWESOME

[big screen satellite]

go back and listen to it... that's an order

they don't make 'em like that anymore...



"shake well before use she said..."

[Dunwho]

"I get my kicks on channel six"

[DaddyAdv]

I totally agree.
Especially after hearing the Glasgow version *shivers*

[Mike]

Recently ive been thinking.....

I love the song, yeah its amazing.

So is Dark & Long...

But i would loved to hear these remastered, they sound tired now compared to the enhanced mastering quality of todays sounds...

[joethelion]

But i would loved to hear these remastered, they sound tired now compared to the enhanced mastering quality of todays sounds...

ditto

dubnobasswithmyheadman sounds soooooooooo quiet now in comparison to other releases

[TheBang]

Turn up the volume? I'm sure Jan has some input about the loudness war.

[Ufotofu]

Recently ive been thinking.....

I love the song, yeah its amazing.

So is Dark & Long...

But i would loved to hear these remastered, they sound tired now compared to the enhanced mastering quality of todays sounds...

enhanced volume =/= enhanced mastering quality

[Jan]

Wow, you're reminding me... I've had new headphones for some months now and still haven't fully listened to dubno! :eek:

Yeah, dubno is really quiet... so quiet that some audio players are playing it too quiet even when the volume is on maximum.
On most tracks (except maybe Dark and Long) there is wasted headroom of ~3db...
You can fix this by using Replay Gain (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Replay_Gain) and you will never need to touch your volume knob again. Of course this won't work if you're playing the CD.

Or find this (http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Dubnobasswithmyheadman/release/901889) version, it's "remastered".

I remember doing some tests with limiting, and most plugins are very good when doing it correctly. But transients (sharp sounds) always suffer, no matter how good the plugin is, because they need the headroom.

For example listen to Rowla or Confusion the Waitress: the "kick" of the kickdrum is very pronounced and awesome. Limiting would be very bad here...

Then for a bad example listen to Cups. Cups is meant to have a kick like that, too... but most of them are destroyed... On each snare hit the kick is noticably weaker. Or listen to around 7 minutes: there are almost no kicks left, only a muffled "thud".

Or Little Speaker... You can hear the limiting working if you listen to the kicks.

But yeah, Dirty Epic is awesome :D

[Mike]

Or find this (http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Dubnobasswithmyheadman/release/901889) version, it's "remastered".



Thanks for the heads up on that, if i can get it for less than £65 i will certainly make that purchase ;)

Mike

[big screen satellite]

Thanks for the heads up on that, if i can get it for less than £65 i will certainly make that purchase ;)

Mike

hey £65 is a bargain, its got the full version of why why why on the bonus cd...

never knew it was remastered - i'll up the price....

[TheBang]

Here's one, maybe:

http://www.mediawars.ne.jp/~mundo/collect/file/underworld.html

[Jan]

never knew it was remastered - i'll up the price....
Well, it isn't exactly remastered... They just kind of fixed the volume problem, I don't think they've done anything else.

[big screen satellite]

Well, it isn't exactly remastered... They just kind of fixed the volume problem, I don't think they've done anything else.

ahh ok...

i've not played it, i have dubno on about 5 different cd's!!! just clearing this one out to the highest bidder ;)

[Spooky Shoes]

Dirty Epic is a pretty special track for me, a friend lent me this..

http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Dirty-Epic-Cowgirl/release/3237

...My introduction to UW, I quickly bought my own copy and it became the soundtrack to the summer of '94 and collecting started shortly afterwards.

[joethelion]

I didn't know that the x2 cd version of "Dubno" was that expensive!!!!

I bought it (seemingly) ages ago, and I only opened it once, realized I couldn't play the mini cd, and put it amongst all my other cd's ... it's still even it's original plastic wrap!

...or wait - lemme guess, there's two different versions of that release, and one is super rare/expensive and the other one is common

(and I've got the common one, right?)

[galama]

There have been many times when Dirty Epic gave me chills down the spine. I annulled eventual recurrence of those moments by listening to that track over and over and over....and over and over. Very foolish. Don't do that. Now I'm on a Dirty Epic abstinence of undetermined period to try to salvage something.

ahh

i wish dubno wasn't so awfully quiet. that record is perfect, it's genuine...but the volume :/

[Vectorman0]

I didn't know that the x2 cd version of "Dubno" was that expensive!!!!

I bought it (seemingly) ages ago, and I only opened it once, realized I couldn't play the mini cd, and put it amongst all my other cd's ... it's still even it's original plastic wrap!

...or wait - lemme guess, there's two different versions of that release, and one is super rare/expensive and the other one is common

(and I've got the common one, right?)

Nah, I think there is only one version of that 2CD edition, and it's expensive/sough after because it has Why, Why, Why. I don't think it's worth £65 though; at least I know I wouldn't pay near that much for it. I've been looking to get it for a while, but I have Rez/Why, Why, Why and will probably pick up the compi (http://www.discogs.com/Various-Volume-Eight/release/115269)lations (http://www.discogs.com/Various-Wasted-The-Best-Of-Volume-Part-1/release/89013) with Why, Why, Why too. Those three all seem to be much easier to come by.

[TheBang]

I think this is the only CD with the full-length version of Why Why Why though. This dubno edition was still in print until about a year and a half ago, so I think £65 might be a bit much.

[Mike]

hey £65 is a bargain, its got the full version of why why why on the bonus cd...

never knew it was remastered - i'll up the price....

Why Why Why do i need that, when i already have it on mp3 :P

[big screen satellite]

I think this is the only CD with the full-length version of Why Why Why though. This dubno edition was still in print until about a year and a half ago, so I think £65 might be a bit much.


lol probably is, but also i don't need to sell it... but it will sell i'm sure

as i've had loads of stuff go for silly prices to lazy punters :D

[Professor]

mmmm loudness wars, i love you...

[bazwint]

How right you are. My favourite UW track. Most of the time.

[nosajmunson]

Dirty Epic was the first Underworld song I had ever heard.
I bought the 'Wax Trax Afterburn: 94 & Beyond' sampler disc 2 days before Christmas 1994. I bought it for Die Warzau, Chris Connelly & KMFDM.
But when I heard Dirty Epic, I forgot that there were other songs on the disc. I fell in love with it instantly. I went and got dubnobass the day after Christmas.
I have been a fan ever since. But with all the great tunes they have put out, Dirty Epic is still my favorite.

[super-saint]

Recently ive been thinking.....

I love the song, yeah its amazing.

So is Dark & Long...

But i would loved to hear these remastered, they sound tired now compared to the enhanced mastering quality of todays sounds...

Remastered in 5.1 surround sound...mmmmmmmmm

[purlieu]

Dirty Epic is a pretty special track for me, a friend lent me this..

http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Dirty-Epic-Cowgirl/release/3237

...My introduction to UW, I quickly bought my own copy and it became the soundtrack to the summer of '94 and collecting started shortly afterwards.
This was my first foray into early (ie pre-NUXX) Underworld, I remember asking my dad for an extra couple of quid to buy it in Virgin Megastore in Leicester. The first two tracks I remember rambling on a bit and I got a little disappointed, but then the original version came on and I was captivated.
I stopped listening to Underworld for a couple of years after AHDO, and it was only when Dirty Epic came on randomly on my mp3 player that I remembered how good the track was - and lo, they became regulars on my CD player once again. Staggering track, and one I play to people who aren't fans of electronic music if explaining why Underworld are so great (along with Phonestrap 1, but that's another story).

Dubnobass's volume problem is very tedious when listening to it on headphones walking along a busy main road, I discovered this afternoon.

[stimpee]

Dirty Epic is still fucking awesome.

Dubno jap 2cd is not worth £65, its still £11.99 on Amazon.co.jp for a start, and others.

Wasn't there a longer version of DE on the promos (german/argentinian?) of 1992-2002?

Save yourself the trouble of buying the Jap release by putting your Dubno through ReplayGain, or or if you want to do it the long way, use CDex to rip it to wav and add +3dB with Wavosaur. You can then add as much gain as you want and see in detail if theres any clipping.

Vectorman0: The versions of Why Why Why on the Volume compilations are shorter than the Jap bonus CD. The version on the bonus cd is from the flip side of the Pink Rez 12"....and its also awesome.

I use awesome in the american sense. I dont really think that Dirty Epic is full of AWE....but its a great track :)

[TheBang]

Wasn't there a longer version of DE on the promos (german/argentinian?) of 1992-2002?
Nope, that was a slightly longer version of Dirty. There's only ever been one version of Dirty Epic.

[mark3]

There's only ever been one version of Dirty Epic.
Except for the 'Jed the Fish Edit' ;)

[stimpee]

Except for the 'Jed the Fish Edit' ;)Trainspotter bonus for Mark!

[froopy seal]

DIRTY EPIC IS STILL FUCKING AWESOMEI say,

Dirty Epic is still fucking awesomely!

[stimpee]

Just dug up the Jed The Fish Edit. Nice edit. Not your normal edit chop fade. I like it. Gets the job done. Thanks to lloyd for ripping it at 320kbps for me. Wish I had my own copy. 16 people on discogs have this and no-one is selling. As its so awesome, how can I survive? But...

Time moves quickly on the interwebs. Is Dirty Epic still FUCKING AWESOME?

[TheBang]

Really? It's not a fade edit? Hm, maybe I'll have to look it up.

[big screen satellite]

Just dug up the Jed The Fish Edit. Nice edit. Not your normal edit chop fade. I like it. Gets the job done. Thanks to lloyd for ripping it at 320kbps for me. Wish I had my own copy. 16 people on discogs have this and no-one is selling. As its so awesome, how can I survive? But...



i did have it - since sold - it doesn't help you i know... it is hard to find

am i mistaken or was the jed the fish edit - the same editor as Hall's Mix of Dark & Long (i.e. Steve Hall).... probably mistaken... but thought i'd throw it out there...

[Dirty0900]

I have Jed the fish CD, got it fairly cheap, £15 due to how rare it is. Edit was done by one of UW's friends in LA i think

[TheBang]

Well, Jed the Fish is (was?) a DJ at KROQ in LA, so I assume he did the edit?

[big screen satellite]

Well, Jed the Fish is (was?) a DJ at KROQ in LA, so I assume he did the edit?


ah well that explains it then :)

[industri_studios]

£15? GAH! I passed on a copy a year ago for $8 because I just thought I didn't NEED it... stupid stupid bad collector...

*sigh*

[big screen satellite]

you NEED everything :)

[big screen satellite]

i'm still thinking this is the best Underworld and in fact best record in the world ever....

next xmas we need to make this number one... facebook stylee....

I WILL NEVER STOP LOVING THIS RECORD

[Dunwho]

i'm still thinking this is the best Underworld and in fact best record in the world ever....

next xmas we need to make this number one... facebook stylee....

I WILL NEVER STOP LOVING THIS RECORD

Lets just make it number one regardless of the time of year

[unwound floors]

Listened to this for the first time in awhile completely blazed in bed last night with this big, dumb grin on my face. I'd almost forgotten how good it is - an anthem for those cut loose, the uncertain, the nihilistic, the joyous. "I get my kicks on Channel Six", indeed!

[bazwint]

A monster of a tune... and what a way to start a show. I've been lucky enough to experience that twice. Nearly pissed myself with excitement.

[froopy seal]

A monster of a tune... and what a way to start a show. I've been lucky enough to experience that twice. Nearly pissed myself with excitement.Aren't you embarrassed at all?









I mean, only nearly pissing yourself?

[stimpee]

They played it in Munich in 2008. I think a little bit of wee came out.

[bryantm3]

Wow, you're reminding me... I've had new headphones for some months now and still haven't fully listened to dubno! :eek:

Yeah, dubno is really quiet... so quiet that some audio players are playing it too quiet even when the volume is on maximum.
On most tracks (except maybe Dark and Long) there is wasted headroom of ~3db...
You can fix this by using Replay Gain (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Replay_Gain) and you will never need to touch your volume knob again. Of course this won't work if you're playing the CD.

Or find this (http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Dubnobasswithmyheadman/release/901889) version, it's "remastered".

I remember doing some tests with limiting, and most plugins are very good when doing it correctly. But transients (sharp sounds) always suffer, no matter how good the plugin is, because they need the headroom.

For example listen to Rowla or Confusion the Waitress: the "kick" of the kickdrum is very pronounced and awesome. Limiting would be very bad here...

Then for a bad example listen to Cups. Cups is meant to have a kick like that, too... but most of them are destroyed... On each snare hit the kick is noticably weaker. Or listen to around 7 minutes: there are almost no kicks left, only a muffled "thud".

Or Little Speaker... You can hear the limiting working if you listen to the kicks.

But yeah, Dirty Epic is awesome :D

http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Dubnobasswithmyheadman/release/211333

this is the real "remastered" version.

[bryantm3]

dirty epic... wow. i remember the atlanta show. i was late, and i walked in about two minutes into dirty epic. the place was flashing with lights and the whole room was covered in blue smoke... i got the chills then. i lost my CD copy of dubno so i just ordered a cassette. the only problem for me with dubno is the intro to cowgirl... i wish i could get a version that had the long version of cowgirl, but the full version of dirty epic with the thunderclap at the end. the single version cuts out about a second before the thunder.

[thee carp dreamer]

dirty epic live. yes. saw this phenomena at bristol academy, 2002, and the ripe old age of 14. i belted out every word, amazing.
i'm still waiting for the recording of that gig. mike, yannick, i'm looking at you two :P
i have a godawful recording of push upstairs from that gig, but frankly a recording of that quality is better than nothing.

also, dubnobass has a lot of headroom, but does not need a remaster...i'm getting annoyed with "remastered" albums being released that have merely been compressed. the examples i'm thinking of are lx-p's recent remastering of the orb's adventures beyond the ultraworld, and of course iggy pop's truely horrible 1997 brick-wall remaster of raw power.

if you want to listen to dubnobass louder, turn the fucking stereo up. :D

[potatobroth]

ive seen Dirty Epic live a few times, the most notably being the Hammerstein Ballroom in 2002 (or around that time)?

The performed it with the swirling smoke tunnel and it was utterly fantastic.

[bryantm3]

also, dubnobass has a lot of headroom, but does not need a remaster...i'm getting annoyed with "remastered" albums being released that have merely been compressed. the examples i'm thinking of are lx-p's recent remastering of the orb's adventures beyond the ultraworld, and of course iggy pop's truely horrible 1997 brick-wall remaster of raw power.

if you want to listen to dubnobass louder, turn the fucking stereo up. :D

hear hear!

[Andrea]

thank you for the touch
like a razor kiss my wound


Discovered the dubnobass album just a few days ago.
Love the music! In a way the beginning of Tongue reminds me of Wagner´s Das Rheingold - Prelude.

[combustible pants]

dirty epic is just that.....epic
layers and layers of sound,atmospheric,takes you somewhere else,immense record..love listening to it through a quality pair of headphones and just as equally on my system....have introduced underworld to a lot of my friends with this record and it still sounds so fresh today!!