Hail Shearer

[Dirty0900]

I'm still thinking this is an Aprils fools day joke. But why now with 8 games left with three matches that on paper look impossible to win? [Liverpool, Chelsea and Aston Villa]

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he's got nothing to lose and everything to gain...

[stimpee]

29 points from 30 matches. looking at how many points you need to stay up its usually between 35 and 42 points. So, you could say winning 2 matches might be enough. Win 2 and draw 4 and lose 2 and theyre probably safe.

I thought it was an april fool also. Shearer has been doing his badges, and i thought he wasnt keen on Mike Ashley either. He was assistent coach for a short while and can certainly fire up the players im sure. Lets see if it makes a blind bit of difference!

I look forward to Sheffield Wednesday playing Newcastle next season if not! :D

[big screen satellite]

can someone rename this thread FAIL Shearer when he's manager of a Championship side? :p

[Dunwho]

Ha this is the first ive heard of it and i always knew it was going to happen... even to think they have another manager, they must be setting records for the biggest turnover of managers in the world by now. Been a fan since i was 9, Tino Asprilla was knockin balls all over the gaf with his rubber legs, Ginola maintaining his beautiful hair, Ferdinand and his beautiful forehead, Beardsley and his beautiful chin....

..in a way, since 1995/96 they have become a hard team to get reved up about as a fan because they were always so mid table after Keegan left.. and only now, when the cards are on the table and its do or die am i really feeling the fire burn again!

Just hope they can do it, it's bizaar seeing them so low down the table so often, truly a great team at the mercy of its owners and management..

[Rog]

at least they've got rid of that cockney wanker wise........;)

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at least they've got rid of that cockney wanker wise........;)

absolutely. doubtless he'll be bleating in the press before too long...

the sun, probably. they had a projection of us going down based on predicting results of the teams around us - but totally omitting blackburn somehow? i'm not sure 2 wins alone will be enough, stimps; but i reckon we've got more chance of staying up than we had 2 days ago.

matt - he's said he's only there til the end of the season, so save it - he turned you down; one day you might get over it :rolleyes:

[big screen satellite]

absolutely. doubtless he'll be bleating in the press before too long...

the sun, probably. they had a projection of us going down based on predicting results of the teams around us - but totally omitting blackburn somehow? i'm not sure 2 wins alone will be enough, stimps; but i reckon we've got more chance of staying up than we had 2 days ago.

matt - he's said he's only there til the end of the season, so save it - he turned you down; one day you might get over it :rolleyes:

lol - i'd like him to do well, seriously - fact is he's got a hard job on his hands, tbh he'd do us a favour if he can beat the Scousers, and even Chels... i hope they do stay up... Middlesbrough are a much less of a loss to the premiership...

seriously though, you think they won't try and keep him if they stay up (or even if they go down?) having said yes now, means he's in the job

Joe Kinnear was only 'supposed' to be there for 6 games... look what happened - Kinnear won't be back...

Shearer is waiting to see what happens... its a testing ground for him...

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i'm sure they'll try to keep him no matter what happens!

[Tiger]

now it'll be even funnier if the barcodes go down.........................repeat after me, but we're a BIG club :D

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[Rog]

[quote=big screen satellite;110049], tbh he'd do us a favour if he can beat the Scousers,
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aahhhh...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha1 you're havin a fuckin laugh........now i know yer feelin the pressure:p

[stimpee]

thought the toon played well. unlucky with the disallowed goal (clearance over the line by (c)ashley cole)... key matches v hull / middlesbrough. if they win those and get a point or two elsewhere they'll scrape it.

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add portsmouth and stoke to the list, i reckon.

[Lx_Nen]

"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"

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''he's not the messiah; he's a canny lad'', you mean...

[Dunwho]

phew 1-1 at half time gainst boro.... if this ends as a draw itd be such a dissapointing end to the season.. not to mention gettin relegated ha...

CMON NEWCASTLE!!!

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2-1 with 3 weeks left to play...

[potatobroth]

2-1 with 3 weeks left to play...

I count 2 weeks left.

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it felt like 3 weeks to go in the match!

(not now - it's 3-1)

[Dunwho]

gwan!wooop

[Dirty0900]

Get in, lots of cheering and knocked over beer at mine. Not safe yet though.

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nowhere near safe yet - but at least we're still alive and with a much healthier goal difference...

[Dunwho]

Thats true.. tho i think Newcastle have the better matches by far, Hull will really need to pull a shocker now. At least Newc can maybe use this momentum and win one more..

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i'm not sure 'away to bolton' will be striking that much fear into hull hearts - they were described as 'disinterested' against s********d at the weekend, so anything's possible. the best thing for us is that it's back in our hands, brian...

[BeautifulBurnout]

Congrats, lads! :)

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hmm; a win for us tomorrow would put us a point ahead of the mackems before they play pompey. which would put them under a bit of a sweat.

of course, we have to actually win that game first!

[potatobroth]

sadly Fulham has a lot to play for these next two weeks. I don't anticipate anything more than a rough game for Newc.

[Dunwho]

sadly Fulham has a lot to play for these next two weeks. I don't anticipate anything more than a rough game for Newc.

Everyone has a lot to play for these days, europe, the league title, staying up.... there are maybe 6 teams out of twenty who really dont have something important to win for at the moment...

..so i mean, its really just down to the day.

[potatobroth]

Everyone has a lot to play for these days, europe, the league title, staying up.... there are maybe 6 teams out of twenty who really dont have something important to win for at the moment...

..so i mean, its really just down to the day.

Very true. But its times like this where certain matchups can swing the way of the underdog under certain circumstances. Just ask Hull City in a week after Man U. takes the title this weekend. How many starters will touch the field for that game?

[Dirty0900]

Man U need a point to win so unless Arsenal pull off a miracle, utd will put out a weak team against Hull which is the last game of the season.

Newcastle really need to win tomorrow to help themselves and not rely on others.

[Dunwho]

Very true. But its times like this where certain matchups can swing the way of the underdog under certain circumstances. Just ask Hull City in a week after Man U. takes the title this weekend. How many starters will touch the field for that game?

I question that to be honest. is it not tradition that the team that performs on the day of the award ceremony (last day??) is presented the trophy. Thus i cannot see the key players being left out for the whole game since they will surely want to lift the trophy themselves, also i cant imagine Ferguson sittin back and letting his team risk a loss on the last day of the season.

Will they be presented the trophy at old trafford if they win the arsenal match or will not wait till the last day of the season to present it in respect of the other games left to be played?and thus they get it at the hull game?

thats if they win, i would love Liverpool to do a shocker of some sort! haha

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the trophy'll be at old trafford today...

[Dunwho]

damn that was not a good day.... not at all

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fuck you michael owen - that was a very sudden 'groin injury'. you sure it wasn't your stomach? or heart?

[potatobroth]

I question that to be honest. is it not tradition that the team that performs on the day of the award ceremony (last day??) is presented the trophy. Thus i cannot see the key players being left out for the whole game since they will surely want to lift the trophy themselves, also i cant imagine Ferguson sittin back and letting his team risk a loss on the last day of the season.

Will they be presented the trophy at old trafford if they win the arsenal match or will not wait till the last day of the season to present it in respect of the other games left to be played?and thus they get it at the hull game?

thats if they win, i would love Liverpool to do a shocker of some sort! haha

Upcoming Champion's League final in 2 weeks. Why would ManU risk having some key players hurt for what amounts to a nothing game (for United) against Hull?

[Dunwho]

Upcoming Champion's League final in 2 weeks. Why would ManU risk having some key players hurt for what amounts to a nothing game (for United) against Hull?

well i stand corrected, i wasnt aware the cup would be awarded today, and yes your right... still im hoping the field a good team none the less... newcastle need all the help they can get

[Dunwho]

fuck you michael owen - that was a very sudden 'groin injury'. you sure it wasn't your stomach? or heart?

he hasnt had his heart in the game since he left the pool.... he just doest fit in anywhere else... and not even in liverpool now.

[big screen satellite]

this is how i see the final games of the season going:

Hull will fail to beat Man United - most likely be a draw
Newcastle however will fail to beat Villa away, and will go down as a result

i actually think whatever Hull do, win, lose or draw will be equalled by Newcastle and sadly for them they will go down.

Beating Middlesboro is one thing, but losing at home to Fulham is another and sadly that's the route of the problem - not enough passion remains

i'd prefer to see Hull go because they are shite too, but a season in the Championship might just do NUFC a bit of good

just my opinion, mind

[happiness stan]

but a season in the Championship might just do NUFC a bit of good

I've said this too, they do need a clearout, from boardroom to pitch. Fulham were by far the better team at the weekend, I've enjoyed watching them immensely this season, hope they continue it and win more away games next season.

Sorry Geordies, you'll be back.
The Championship is a great league, I wish we were still in it.

[matt]

Beating Middlesboro is one thing, but losing at home to Fulham is another and sadly that's the route of the problem - not enough passion remainsThere was quite a good piece in the Times on the weekend about all the over reaction from the Toon fans hailing Shearer as the messiah after becoming "only the fourteenth manager to engineer a home win over Boro this season" :)

Losing to Fulham is no bad thing as they're a really decent side this year and I expect them to pip Spurs to 7th now as I can't see us beating Liverpool at Anfield on Sunday.

To be fair, Newcastle played pretty well on the weekend and a draw would probably have been a fair result. Villa have been pretty erratic lately so I wouldn't put it past them getting a result in their final match. It'll then depend on how Hull do against a largely 2nd string United side with the pretty poor Kuszczak in goal and thoughts of Barcelona largely on their minds.

[Dunwho]

I have to say, reading some opinions on how a year in the championship would do the Toons good...

...i agree

While i would 100% give anything to see them stay up this year since i think the whole ordeal of realising your a game away from relegation (for the 6th time now this season!) is enough to shake them out of this freefall and get their heads round the game again. I also must say that to have a year or two where its less about politics and more about football, the game and promotion... thats exactly what Newcastle need.

It would give them a great opportunity to rebuild the structure of the club, not just in the boardroom and management but also in the players, rebuild some pride and create a "team" rather than just a selection of good players like what they have now.

I just remember the team that Keegan brought up and progressed through the leagues with, there was such a unity and spark, right up until 96 and that disaster with united.. from there it slowly came apart, but thats what we need agian.. grass roots development!

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still hanging on the fairytale season finale where we win and the mackems go down!

but if that doesn't happen, and relegation gets rid of a 'leadership' that's proven itself inept at best, along with the various hangers-on taking a massive wage for little return both on and off the field, then so be it.

however much journalists point and dribble - the fans won't stop supporting them - we're stuck with them whatever happens; that's football.

[Rog]

It seems to me that your lot, the mackems, the smoggies and 'ull are fighting FOR relegation rather than against it...........:D
they're all shite!

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stfu, before you start.

[happiness stan]

hard lines magpies and smoggies.
it's not the end of the world, it just feels like it at the moment.

shearer spoke well after the game, I missed if southgate said anything.


let the rebuilding begin.

[Dunwho]

let the rebuilding begin.

Here here, im trying to see this as the start of a new era i guess... i hope they take this as a good sign that there needs to be a change

[Dirty0900]

............

[stimpee]

Its not Shearer's fault, any of this. He would do well to gtfo of there tho. Come back later. Too many teams from the Premier League have tanked it down to League One, and some haven't made it back to the Championship yet! The gap in revenue is enormous and they'll have to be very very careful.

Sheffield Wednesday, Nottingham Forest, Manchester City, Leeds United, Charlton Athletic, Leicester City, Southampton and Norwich City have all done the double relegation with only Man City making it all the way back. Leeds are still there (LOL :D) and Forest/Wednesday struggled to make it back up one level after a couple of seasons there.

The Premier League might be getting predictable at the top, but the Championship is wide open. Who would have thought a few years ago that Leeds United, Charlton Athletic, Southampton and Norwich City would be in League One, while Hull City, Stoke City, Wigan and Portsmouth would be in the Premier League.

Toon will have to try and hold onto the players they have and bounce straight back, or trim the fat (10 or 11 players on £50,000 a week at least), try and stabilise then rebuild and try to avoid the double relegation...

As a Wednesday fan I know how this is. We spent 16 years in the top flight from 1984-2000 and its not getting any easier.

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Toon will have to try and hold onto the players they have and bounce straight back

the clowns who couldn't produce a single shot on goal yesterday aren't the ones who are likely to succeed in the championship. i'm sure shearer's very very aware of that. expecting big changes. if this is what it takes to get rid of some of the shite who've been leeching off the club, then so be it. the championship is no place for bottlers, and that's what we've been lumped with for too long.

(oh; why change the thread title and then say it's not his fault?!)

[Dunwho]

Definitely not shearers fault! C'mon, the man if anything brought the club as close as he could to safety but i dont think even the best manage could inherit a team in the last three with 5 games from relegation and expect to have much chance, in the end it is down to what the players that you have can do for you, and the way the ball breaks for you on the day. Shearer inherited a team without much spirit who had just lost a great goalkeeper and was struggling to get the best out of their players. While some players like Duff responded really well, others like Owen just seemed to have their mind on the next move out of Toon Town and to somewhere with Prem Football next year.

Shearer did what he could do and that was get the fans behind the team for a last desperate push and hope that that would ignite something in the team itself.. it didnt happen, but thats life and to be honest i wouldnt be against him staying at the club and working on building it up.. he seems to come across quite well in the press conferences and i saw a huge improvement in their set pieces alone by his third match in charge... he just didnt have enough time. I say also that if they want to save money shearer would also be the best and cheapest option right now and this would look well towards the players who they will ask to take a cut in pay...

[stimpee]

Whoever is manager next season will have a busy summer. Just the transfers will take up a lot of time, then you have to build a new team. And then get them to play together. I don't think Shearer is the man for that but then I don't have the geordie blind faith :cool:

I wish them well (as long as The Owls get 6 points out of it) :)

[matt]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/5/24/1243188968574/Newcastles-Relegation-Ast-007.jpg

What's the difference between Newcastle United & Alan Shearer?




Alan Shearer will still be on Match of the Day next season.

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What's the difference between Newcastle United & Alan Shearer?




Alan Shearer will still be on Match of the Day next season.

typical Brummies getting it wrong, its not AntORDec its AntANDDec...

anyway they're not the Messiah, they're very naughty boys...

[matt]

Hitler finds out Newcastle were relegated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2rKWJBzHas)

[Rog]

LOL!:D

[happiness stan]

Wondering what the Geordie reaction would be to Kevin Keegan returning to Saints as manager?

This rumour has been knocking around for a while, but today it's gone absolutely mental.
To be honest I didn't believe it, but as the day as gone on I've gotten carried away.

MLT as Chairman and KK as Manager (or even DoF?)
It's dreamland, isn't it?

[matt]

MLT as Chairman and KK as Manager (or even DoF?)
It's dreamland, isn't it?
Not to burst your bubble or anything, but why?

Keegan's not exactly got the best track record at the moment.

[happiness stan]

Not to burst your bubble or anything, but why?

Keegan's not exactly got the best track record at the moment.

Why would he come to a Div 3 team, or why would I want him?
I guess you mean the latter, he did a great job at Fulham and Newcastle the first time round. I think anyone could see that the second stint was doomed to failure with the factors of Wise and Ashley thrown in.

Perhaps football has changed while he was out of the game, I think he even said he gave it a wide birth, didn't even watch it on tv (?)

The Saints rollercoaster has been a rough ride in recent months, if we still have a club at the start of the season I will be pleased, even if it's in L1 on -10. There was a possibility that we would cease to exist.
So, if we had managed to sign up a decent young manager, like Tisdale, it would have been the best we could hope for.

KK & MLT would give the city such a lift I'd just love to see it and give them a chance. I am thinking with my heart rather than my head, but surely if you were offered KK to manage in Div 3 you rip their arm off, no?

If they manage to pull this off I will be amazed, and delighted.
I'd have to make sure I take a trip home for the first game of the season. (Home to Millwall)

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Wondering what the Geordie reaction would be to Kevin Keegan returning to Saints as manager?

This rumour has been knocking around for a while, but today it's gone absolutely mental.
To be honest I didn't believe it, but as the day as gone on I've gotten carried away.

MLT as Chairman and KK as Manager (or even DoF?)
It's dreamland, isn't it?

good luck to all concerned -he's a decent enough coach, and an honest man. papers and snipers make a lot of his recent time at newcastle; but anybody being fucked-about and lied-to like that and stays on is on a hiding to nothing. it'd be him, not the sorry collection of players he was dumped with, who'd be getting the stick from the usual gobshites for relegation...

[stimpee]

Seems that if youre in the top half of the prem youre ok. If youre not, then theres always the danger youre gonna get relegated. One bad manager / owner/ chairman later and youre in the Championship (or League One if youre really unlucky.

I worked out that there are 14 teams that have been in the premier league and then got relegated twice. Only Man City have made it all the way back up.

At least Newcastle have got a large support and high media profile. Someone will want to come in and "save" them. I hope that somebody comes in right after Boxing Day though (after they've been thrashed by The Wednesday at Hillsborough!)

[stimpee]

New NUFC away shirt: http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/15/e7/0,,10278~6154005,00.jpg

He doesnt really want to be there. You can see it. He looks like a cross between a custard cream and a deckchair.

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:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[happiness stan]

ouch, is that for real?
we all have had some dodgy strips, but that one is something else.

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sod fashion - you can pick up a cool and charismatic (http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/index.php/2009/06/22/revealed-the-michael-owen-glossy-brochure) player :rolleyes::confused:

[matt]

Newcastle. Doomed.

Lose 6-1 to League One side Leyton Orient on the weekend, knock 20% off the price of 'that' kit before the season's even started and now Steve McMahon's Profitable Group have pulled out of buying the club.

Dark times on Tyneside.

[matt]

Just read the following in a daily email from The Times:

"I wonder what your opinion is on the transfer situation at Newcastle? Weren't we all expecting a fire sale when they got relegated? Yet, with a few exceptions, the squad is still in place. Is there really a transfer embargo? You mentioned last week you thought £8k a week were fair wages for a Championship footballer, but we know Newcastle have a number earning over 50k a week. Do you really expect this situation to continue into the season starts? Or do you think we will see a clearout to reduce the wage bill before the transfer window closes?"
Chris

GJ: The club has been put up for sale and Seymour Pierce, the advising company, has had expressions of interest. It had been hoped that a deal would have been concluded by now so a new manager could shape his squad. It's not clear what has caused the delay.

The owner has received some advice that he should trim the squad to reduce the overdraft, making the club more attractive to potential buyers, which makes sense. But several agents have hit a brick wall when they tried to negotiate the sale of their players out of the club. Alan Smith was to have talks with Wolves, but his agent was told that they did not want him to leave in case the club was bought by a billionaire who wanted the squad intact for an assault on the Championship. The possible sale of Sebastien Bassong has been stopped for a similar reason.

While it is understandable that the club want to keep their top players to attract prospective owners, it would have seemed in everyone's interest for players such as Smith to leave, not least because he is a high earner and could have an effect on the overdraft. The longer the takeover takes to conclude, the higher the overdraft might become and the shorter the time left for the manager to sign the players he wants for the season, which is two weeks away.

It's not clear whether the club can fund (by a loan or higher overdraft) the wage bill and cover the loss of income from relegation if they intend to carry the same squad into the season and there is no takeover.

Players in the second tier should be earning between £4,000-8,000 a week for a club to be financially sound, but of course the figures will depend on the size of the club's income. Newcastle will have a much higher than average income for a Championship team so the wages they can afford to pay will be higher. That said, they will suffer a drop in TV income next season of around £30m, even after the parachute payment, so the impact of Smith earning £3m a year and Duff on £4m etc will suddenly mount up.

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to be honest, until that fat cunt sells them, i can't view it as my club. the whole saga's just so shitty that i can't even go near it...

[stimpee]

If you dont offload some players, and/or fail to perform this season then the shit could hit the fan and the club could go down again. Its a tough road back.

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it's a huge load of shit - and that twat ashley's just continuing to fuck it up more and more. it's like he's hell-bent on driving the club as far down as possible by fucking up every potential sale. at key points all he's done is fuck us up - every appointment, every transfer or non-transfer, and now every potential takeover seems timed to go to shit just to fuck us over.

[Rog]

New NUFC away shirt: http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/15/e7/0,,10278~6154005,00.jpg

He doesnt really want to be there. You can see it. He looks like a cross between a custard cream and a deckchair.

yep, its fuckin shite..............:D