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Deckard
11-19-2008, 07:37 AM
Al-Qaida chief warns Obama of attack (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/19/alqaida-obama-white-house)
Bin Laden's right-hand man releases audio tape that warns president-elect not to continue Bush's policies

He has also accused US President-elect Barack Obama of betraying his Islamic roots.

Al-Zawahri warned Obama not to continue the policies of his predecessor, George Bush, on Iraq or he would "face failure", Reuters reported.

Osama bin-Laden's right-hand man called on Islamists to continue attacks against "criminal America" and appeared aimed at convincing Muslims that Obama does not represent a change in US policies.

Al-Zawahri attacked Obama for supporting Israel and "turning his back on his Islamic roots".
Now isn't this just great. The chance of Obama getting away with taking a more radical approach to foreign policy immediately became smaller thanks to the release of this tape.

I used to occasionally wonder if the imperialist forces of neo-conservativism and the warped ideology of al-Qaeda might secretly, at some level, be in cahoots. Assuming this tape isn't such an example of negative psychology, it seems, once again, extraordinarily stupid and a sure-fire way to get your opponent to stick to doing the very opposite of what you appear to want.

BeautifulBurnout
11-19-2008, 08:26 AM
I used to occasionally wonder if the imperialist forces of neo-conservativism and the warped ideology of al-Qaeda might secretly, at some level, be in cahoots. Assuming this tape isn't such an example of negative psychology, it seems, once again, extraordinarily stupid and a sure-fire way to get your opponent to stick to doing the very opposite of what you appear to want.
Oooh you little conspiracy theorist, you :p

The thought has crossed my mind too, though. There is something very bizarre about the whole Al Qaida thing in my mind, most notably that according to the FBIs "Most Wanted" website, Bin Laden isn't even listed as being wanted for 9/11. His family is, of course, very close to the Bush family.....

Deckard
11-19-2008, 08:41 AM
Oooh you little conspiracy theorist, you :p
;) Well putting it into the spectrum of strengths of belief, from certainty to occasional suspicion/gut feeling, it's there right at the bottom. I'm currently more inclined to favour the conclusion that they're just solidly anti-American. But still... the possibility doesn't disappear completely! (Perhaps because I heard someone mention The Power of Nightmares (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk1WkmioQvA) just a couple of days ago)

Sean
11-19-2008, 09:13 AM
I also thought it was a nice touch when they called Obama a "house negro".

In al-Qaida's first response to Obama's victory, al-Zawahri also called the president-elect—along with secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice—"house negroes."

Speaking in Arabic, al-Zawahri uses the term "abeed al-beit," which literally translates as "house slaves." But al-Qaida supplied English subtitles of his speech that included the translation as "house negroes."

Although I doubt that any of the rhetoric in this latest release will greatly influence Obama's plans on how to tackle the issue of terrorism.

jOHN rODRIGUEZ
11-19-2008, 09:14 AM
WTF w/ the Halloween soundtrack?

Who the hell thought of the grand idea of building a recreation park over a freeway?

8 minutes into part 2, contradiction-o-meter on high.

cacophony
11-19-2008, 01:04 PM
I used to occasionally wonder if the imperialist forces of neo-conservativism and the warped ideology of al-Qaeda might secretly, at some level, be in cahoots.
i've had that thought.

cured
11-19-2008, 01:40 PM
I don't think much of the tape and I don't think it changes the way Obama plans on pursuing resolutions in the middle east. An olive branch would have surprised me a great deal...al-Queda really hates the US government, not any one president in particular.

gambit
11-19-2008, 01:51 PM
I've heard that Obama's pretty popular in the Muslim world, and I think al Qaeda is more scared that they won't be able to recruit as many impressionable young men into their armies with Obama in power.

Deckard
11-19-2008, 02:10 PM
True. The Obama presidency could represent something of a strategic threat to al-Qaeda, particularly given the way they've gotten used to benefitting from the last 8 years of the Bush Administration playing into their propaganda trap. The image of America is now on the rise, and that's bound to pose a problem for them.

I hope Obama doesn't ramp up the hawkishness just to create some clear blue water between him and al-Qaeda. He shouldn't have to of course, but the merest hint of a charge of appeasing terrorists is deathly toxic to a politician.

cured
11-19-2008, 03:27 PM
It will all take time. Obama wants the US out of Iraq but they'll still be there a year after he takes office. That's the most volatile time, I would think. As they start to leave and as the focus gets shifted to Afghanistan (who knows what the heck will happen there?) then there may be a change in tone from everyone with an interest in the region. Peace, or at least something resembling it, between Israel and Palestine may be a bigger driving factor, I would think.

Deckard
11-19-2008, 03:31 PM
I just hope some terror attack doesn't take place that leads to a stark change of tone from Obama. That might be understandable but it's not the way to beat them.

Deckard
11-22-2008, 10:15 AM
U.S. Muslim leaders denounce al Qaeda's slur toward Obama (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/11/21/obama.muslim.remark/index.html)

Spiritual leaders of New York's African-American Muslim communities lashed out Friday at a purported al Qaeda message attacking President-elect Barack Obama and, using racist language, comparing him unfavorably to the late Malcolm X.

The imams called the recorded comments from al Qaeda second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri, "an insult" from people who have "historically been disconnected from the African-American community generally and Muslim African-Americans in particular."

"We find it insulting when anyone speaks for our community instead of giving us the dignity and the honor of speaking for ourselves," they said in a statement read during a news conference at the Malcolm X and Dr. Betty Shabazz Memorial, Educational and Cultural Center.

Sean
11-22-2008, 11:08 AM
U.S. Muslim leaders denounce al Qaeda's slur toward Obama (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/11/21/obama.muslim.remark/index.html)

Spiritual leaders of New York's African-American Muslim communities lashed out Friday at a purported al Qaeda message attacking President-elect Barack Obama and, using racist language, comparing him unfavorably to the late Malcolm X.

The imams called the recorded comments from al Qaeda second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri, "an insult" from people who have "historically been disconnected from the African-American community generally and Muslim African-Americans in particular."

"We find it insulting when anyone speaks for our community instead of giving us the dignity and the honor of speaking for ourselves," they said in a statement read during a news conference at the Malcolm X and Dr. Betty Shabazz Memorial, Educational and Cultural Center.Good for them. Presenting a united front is the quickest, most effective way for us to combat asshats like al-Zawahiri.