single 'Ring Road' will be released on 7th July 2008

[shingo]

http://www.underworldlive.com/press/press-releases/mainColumnParagraphs/0/content_files/file10/RingRoad080514.zip

UnderWORLD;
The Single - 'Ring Road'
Release Date - 7th July 2008
Label - www.underworldlve.com
Cat Number - UWR-00021-3
Distribution - Vital
Marketed by - Integral
Formats - CD, 12”, Digital
www.underworldlive.com

Underworld return with “Ring Road” the single lifted from their recent album “Oblivion with Bells”. Taking you on a P.O.V trip around the band's stomping ground, It's a day in the life of Romford - a snapshot in time that's both observational and abstract -
capturing Underworld in fine form.

Remixes available by; Laidback Luke, Autokratz, Kris Menace and Fake Blood
To see the video click here http://www.underworldlive.com/home/Ring-Road-version (http://www.underworldlive.com/home/Ring-Road-version)

[Spooky Shoes]

Just picked up one of the promo's, digital date given is 30th June, physical date 7th July.

[Dino3D]

I wonder what will be the CD's tracklist! All the remixes are good, but I don't think the CD will include all. :(

[Dino3D]

Kris Menace mix is absolutely Chemical Brothers' Hey Boy, Hey Girl, but I love it. :)

[BrotherLovesDub]

Kris Menace mix is absolutely Chemical Brothers' Hey Boy, Hey Girl, but I love it. :)

i've never heard Hey Boy Hey Girl but it sounds a lot like Out of Control to me.

[DwarfeD]

i've never heard Hey Boy Hey Girl but it sounds a lot like Out of Control to me.

How could one not have heard Hey Boy, Hey Girl?! But it's more Out Of Control indeed. Still think it's one of the better Ring Road remixes :D

[dubman]

looks like the single cover is out.

this isnt fair, i've been quietly planning to push for a suprematism revival for years and now *underworld* are doing it

:mad: ;)

[Dino3D]

looks like the single cover is out.

this isnt fair, i've been quietly planning to push for a suprematism revival for years and now *underworld* are doing it

:mad: ;)


Where's the cover?

[BrotherLovesDub]

How could one not have heard Hey Boy, Hey Girl?

i gave up on the chems right after Dig Your Own Hole, which i felt they did. only heard Out of Control cuz Bernard Sumner was on it.

[gillenium]

Wow, I thought everyone had heard Hey Boy Hey Girl.

You should hear that sucker live. It completely rocked my socks.

[Dino3D]

No new infos about the tracklist?

[Spooky Shoes]

The listing for the promo is..

1. Radio Edit.
2. Laid Back Luke Remix.
3. Autokratz Left Hand Drive Remix.
4. Kris Menace Remix.
5. Fake Blood Remix.

[Dino3D]

The listing for the promo is..

1. Radio Edit.
2. Laid Back Luke Remix.
3. Autokratz Left Hand Drive Remix.
4. Kris Menace Remix.
5. Fake Blood Remix.


I ment the official CD single. I don't collect promos.

[Spooky Shoes]

Remixes available by; Laidback Luke, Autokratz, Kris Menace and Fake Blood


This quote is from the press release linked in the first post so it is quite likely that the CD single will have the Radio Edit, two of the mixes listed above and possibly the video.

[Dino3D]

I hope the single will include Parc, and at least 2 remixes. I don't think video will be on it, cos Crocodile single hasn't got video.

[potatobroth]

I hope the single will include Parc, and at least 2 remixes. I don't think video will be on it, cos Crocodile single hasn't got video.

I doubt Parc will be on it since Parc is being bundled with the Japanese/Possible-Web-Release EP.

[Spooky Shoes]

Parc will probably not be a feature of the CD single simply because it will reduce the sales potential of Bells! The Bells! limiting it to a single track that won't be available elsewhere (Holding The Moth - Audiojack remix) (which will probably suck anyhow), if a video is included it will not be of a high quality however it will serve as a plug for the "bonus DVD" on Bells! The Bells!, there is simply no reason to make it available through Underworldlive.com otherwise.

I was going to start a rant about how we are being anally raped by Karl & Ricks release policies however upon reflection I realise that it may well be driven by key members of this forum by the open sharing copyrighted material... "I don dis mix clix to download" with no PPL in sight, as a former lurker prior to signing up I have witnessed invite trading for Oink as it was, celebration of Demonoid's return, Waffles/What and what to download where. Open discussion of file sharing is bound to bring dismay for the artists in question, pretty much a kick in the teeth. For supposed fans you have to admit it's pretty disgusting.

So the lame releases are about cash, surprised?

[BeautifulBurnout]

Parc will probably not be a feature of the CD single simply because it will reduce the sales potential of Bells! The Bells! limiting it to a single track that won't be available elsewhere (Holding The Moth - Audiojack remix) (which will probably suck anyhow), if a video is included it will not be of a high quality however it will serve as a plug for the "bonus DVD" on Bells! The Bells!, there is simply no reason to make it available through Underworldlive.com otherwise.

I was going to start a rant about how we are being anally raped by Karl & Ricks release policies however upon reflection I realise that it may well be driven by key members of this forum by the open sharing copyrighted material... "I don dis mix clix to download" with no PPL in sight, as a former lurker prior to signing up I have witnessed invite trading for Oink as it was, celebration of Demonoid's return, Waffles/What and what to download where. Open discussion of file sharing is bound to bring dismay for the artists in question, pretty much a kick in the teeth. For supposed fans you have to admit it's pretty disgusting.

So the lame releases are about cash, surprised?

I kind of agree in a sense, if not in such strong terms.

Music sharing is a fact of life, sadly. And there is a difference between "supposed fans" and "real fans". The real fans won't profit from the band by stealing the music, or if they do it is simply as a stop-gap until they can buy the released product - so it is an advanced "preview" if you like, because they are impatient.

A large percentage of the people who post on here buy every version of every release available, for the sake of completeness of their UW collection. There are very few people indeed who actually try to promote the free sharing of commercial UW releases on these boards, and if they do they usually get a metaphorical whack round the head.

The sharing of commercially-released material on Dirty is strongly discouraged. Any links to a commercially-released product are removed. End of.

Secondly, I don't think these are necessarily "lame releases" - I think it is more about not having a formal distributor organised for stuff outside of Japan. There may be copyright issues that we don't know about in the "rest of world" that just don't apply to Japan.

In any event it is pretty easy to pick stuff up from HMV Japan or other similar online stores. Yes, it sucks to have to pay import duty, and that may push the price over the edge for people on limited budgets.

I dunno why you think the Holding the Moth remix will "probably suck anyway", though.

[Dino3D]

If Parc won't be on the single, Loads Of Birds should be. :)

[Dino3D]

Can anybody upload the video to YouTube?

[khouri]

It's true, open discussion of music piracy is certain to give any recording artist pause.

However, we're talking about a band who routinely refuses to make available to its fans material we are literally BEGGING to pay money for, and in a variety of formats. The "Sunshine" soundtrack springs immediately to mind, not to mention the Live in Tokyo album when it was first released, this new Japan-only product, numerous singles, remixes and of course out-of-print music. Hell, there is an entire thread dedicated to the problems people are having with trying desperately to buy official live albums -- that all quite similar to one another, I might add.

If Underworld are indeed concerned about piracy, they have every right to be. But if so, I think they ought to consider this particular fan base and give their release strategies a second thought.

[potatobroth]

these are all great points on both sides of the argument. I've always wondered myself if we are the vocal majority or minority when it comes to promises: "I'd absolutely buy that if they released it!!!" Are we really speaking for the majority here? Does UW/music-industry have data to support the opposite? Nothing would be worse than to release a Japan-only tune and have 30 online sales from underworldlive.com but see a thread of 500 people talking about downloading it. :)

[big screen satellite]

seriously i think we've gotten off the track and started beating down on UW unfairly

i've never been happy about the release policy in japan - but many bands have different release strategies for different territories... if you are an uber fan that is one of the pit falls...

Coupled with that though, i've never been unhappy with the way Underworld have and always do look after their fans, especially the regular forum posters...

i mean whats happening later today at 6pm??

Underworld, off their own back are sitting down in a studio and playing 2+ hours worth of music (most likely to include some unheard of jems) mainly for people who drop by here reguarly

not everything is clear, release policies and costs may well influence these decisions, and before we bash the boys, i think we will get more and more product available digitally over the coming months... so patience my friends

and to blame the 'live here now' issue on UW is unfair, as is the release of the sunshine soundtrack, which is owned by a different corporation

slating the band themselves won't get stuff released...

[Futuregrapher]

i mean whats happening later today at 6pm??

I agree with everything you just said.

BUT I must correct you. The show is tomorrow, not today.

[big screen satellite]

I agree with everything you just said.

BUT I must correct you. The show is tomorrow, not today.

lol, i'm thinking its wednesday already.... oops..

what day is it today...???

[BrotherLovesDub]

GUESS WHAT DIPSHITS? I WAS ABLE TO ORDER THE SHIT THROUGH HMV.CO.JP. IT DOESN"T TAKE A FUCKING GENIUS.

Order the music from HMV.CO.JP or STFU.

[big screen satellite]

GUESS WHAT DIPSHITS? I WAS ABLE TO ORDER THE SHIT THROUGH HMV.CO.JP. IT DOESN"T TAKE A FUCKING GENIUS.

Order the music from HMV.CO.JP or STFU.

hey BLD you should work for UW marketing ;)

[BrotherLovesDub]

hey BLD you should work for UW marketing ;)

yeah, well, as you said, Underworld give us fans a ton of free material. it's rude to be so demanding and cheap to them when it's obvious the bottom has fallen out of the market for physical products. The Bells collection is gorgeous and not that difficult to obtain. in fact, it's simple as fuck. i combined orders and will be receiving the Oblivion Ball + Boy Boy Boy singles at the same time. It was very, very easy to do. And before you bitches start complaining about money, I earn worthless American Dollars and not very many of them.

No matter what UW do there are loads of unhappy people complaining about it. I closely follow a few different bands and Underworld are by far the most generous of them all.

[big screen satellite]

i heartly agree - it costs a bit more to get the CD from Japan, but fuck it - its got to be worth it - want / like underworld or not - that is the question... if not then stop bitchin about it...

UW do certainly do more than almost any other band - especially conversing and sharing stuff with us, not all of it musical - which i think is even better...

i'm not gonna list the things we've been given for nothing but its a lot (and even when we get given stuff - seems like some people moan about that too... but thats another story...)

[potatobroth]

GUESS WHAT DIPSHITS? I WAS ABLE TO ORDER THE SHIT THROUGH HMV.CO.JP. IT DOESN"T TAKE A FUCKING GENIUS.

Order the music from HMV.CO.JP or STFU.


wow, I don't know if its my mood or what, but I'm suddenly filled with annoyance over this post. The worst part is, I agree with you. I think I just learned a lesson in forum tone and approach. :D

[BrotherLovesDub]

wow, I don't know if its my mood or what, but I'm suddenly filled with annoyance over this post. The worst part is, I agree with you. I think I just learned a lesson in forum tone and approach. :D

"filled with annoyance" is exactly the emotion that caused that ALL CAPS tirade. sometimes you have to reach the level of the complainers to make your point.

[negative1]

seriously i think we've gotten off the track and started beating down on UW unfairly

there are legitimate complaints in here..



i've never been happy about the release policy in japan - but many bands have different release strategies for different territories... if you are an uber fan that is one of the pit falls...

so we're just supposed to accept it? and change will
never happen?


Coupled with that though, i've never been unhappy with the way Underworld have and always do look after their fans, especially the regular forum posters...

i mean whats happening later today at 6pm??

Underworld, off their own back are sitting down in a studio and playing 2+ hours worth of music (most likely to include some unheard of jems) mainly for people who drop by here reguarly

apples and oranges, no ones complaining that underworld isn't
doing enough to give us music, its the methodology
and inconsistency thats the issue..

not everything is clear, release policies and costs may well influence these decisions, and before we bash the boys, i think we will get more and more product available digitally over the coming months... so patience my friends

speculation doesn't help either, until its said and done..


and to blame the 'live here now' issue on UW is unfair, as is the release of
the sunshine soundtrack, which is owned by a different corporation
slating the band themselves won't get stuff released...

no, in this case, it is clearly their fault also...why would
you partner with someone that has obviously dropped
the ball repeatedly, and at great expense.....no, they
need to step up and admit its not working, or take
steps to fix things...yes, liveherenow did FINALLY get
their act together, but after how long? and how much
prompting? is this professional?

and before all of you start complaining about me, and the
complexities, etc,...etc....i worked with KMFDM and their
official site for a couple of years, we were a small outfit,
and ok, so they don't have a huge fanbase, but they did
have a vocal and faithful following, we were running the
merchandise out of my friends house, we did all the
packing ourselves, shipping, etc...we made sure each
and every customer was happy, we checked every order,
and we also threw in a ton of free stuff......and guess
what, our budget wasn't much either...but we did add
digital downloads, free fanshows, free passes, and a ton
of other things just for the fans...so i know it can be
done....and yes, we were in touch with sascha, and brute,
and did consult people about all the decisions concerning
artwork, releases, singles, digital stuff etc.......

i know yannick is doing an awesome job, and so is ant, steve,
and of course the group.....but sometimes you need
to step back, and reevaluate where you're going, and
see if it is right/wrong, and admit when things go wrong, and
change it to something better...

later
-1

[BrotherLovesDub]

you make some great points -1, but there is no 'tried n true' methodology to marketing/promoting/selling music right now. everyone is trying to figure out a system that can work for both fans and artists but there isn't a proven model to adopt/adapt.

[IsiliRunite]

i've never heard Hey Boy Hey Girl but it sounds a lot like Out of Control to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRUsdQ-rNVk

The instrumental to the original is real nice, I just realized, but I'm not sure about the vocals. Its kind of "Bruce Lee" + Talking Heads "Once In a Lifetime"...

I wonder how much the label dictates these releasing methods.

[negative1]

you make some great points -1, but there is no 'tried n true' methodology to marketing/promoting/selling music right now. everyone is trying to figure out a system that can work for both fans and artists but there isn't a proven model to adopt/adapt.

thanx, i'm not trying to come off as the 'angry' fan here..

and of course i'm not expecting to see a 'perfect' solution here,
or anytime soon..

in fact, the point that underworld IS TRYING different methods,
different strategies, online, other suppliers (don't you think we
would have KILLED for having live recorded shows back in during
the dubno and STITI days?)...is very promising.....i'm all for it....

however, i do hold them (the group, management, etc) up to high
standards.....so when there are problems, issues , etc, THEY NEED
to be accountable for them....just giving them a free pass, and
saying its not their fault is an easy way out..

later
-1

[big screen satellite]

i agree in the main about what -1 says, and i agree nothing happens without action...

But for me its a case of some ppl here coming on this board and basically being disrespectful - there are ways and means about getting change - being discurteous and rude isn't one of them

i, like BLD and others, i'm sure, feel ashamed to see people on here bemoaning everything that comes out from UW headquarters because its not to their own personal liking

granted, there are some things that have gone wrong or are not 'fair' - and yes the 'live here now' issue was one of them, but some ppl are so impatient, rude and downright nasty in their comments - i'm surprised we ever get anything from UW, really i am.

Underworld have been very innovative in the past and are continuing to be so - sometimes innovation takes time and practice to get right - give the guys a break, ffs - they have been doing this for over 25 years

yes things can be improved - but if you're unhappy about something voice it in a way that will facilitate change - shouting and moaning doesn't do this

this one post won't stop it (and i'm not and never intend to be a mod here), i know most of the ppl don't read other threads before moaning about things, but hey, its here for future reference...

[polar_action]

Geez Louise,

Calm down :D

I've not been visiting the forums for sometime and it seems to be a forum of moaning.

Dave's Advice

You gotta understand that life sometimes can be tough. There are all kinds of problems you'll encounter and hurdles will be placed in your way. Sometimes there are crocodiles on the other side of them. This is the same for you, me and the underworld team. Give them and me a break and put it down to life.

Instead of getting worked up, get yourself a nice cup of tea, in your favourite mug, a ginger-nut biscuit (or biscuit of your choosing) and go and talk to someone and have a nice conversation outdoors. Breath some fresh air.

There you go... all sorted

Love, Dave


Peace Dudes - I'll listening back to the show tomorrow as I've got a meeting with my kids scout troop!

There you go again, life ;)

[Dino3D]

I have just pre-ordered the CD single from HMV. It lists the promo's tracklist, so I hope it's true. A 5-track official CD would be nice!

[BeautifulBurnout]

Are people STILL whining on about Underworld not giving them exactly what they want in the format they want and with the track-listing they want on the day they want it? Jeez. :rolleyes:

Anyhoo - my understanding from some banter in the radio show chatroom was that this is going to be available through the UW shop on the UWlive site. So I am happy to wait and see.

[jose m]

thanx, i'm not trying to come off as the 'angry' fan here..

and of course i'm not expecting to see a 'perfect' solution here,
or anytime soon..

in fact, the point that underworld IS TRYING different methods,
different strategies, online, other suppliers (don't you think we
would have KILLED for having live recorded shows back in during
the dubno and STITI days?)...is very promising.....i'm all for it....

however, i do hold them (the group, management, etc) up to high
standards.....so when there are problems, issues , etc, THEY NEED
to be accountable for them....just giving them a free pass, and
saying its not their fault is an easy way out..

later
-1

he's fucking great isn't he?

[jose m]

these are all great points on both sides of the argument. I've always wondered myself if we are the vocal majority or minority when it comes to promises: "I'd absolutely buy that if they released it!!!" Are we really speaking for the majority here? Does UW/music-industry have data to support the opposite? Nothing would be worse than to release a Japan-only tune and have 30 online sales from underworldlive.com but see a thread of 500 people talking about downloading it. :)

Mmmmmm????

[Dino3D]

There's just 1 week left, and no official cover art or tracklist. What's going on?? I pre-ordered it from HMV, but I don't think, It will release next week.

Myspace has a 12" tracklist, and an image (but not cover), but no infos from the CD.

[Dino3D]

Seems here is the artwork:

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;-1;-1;-1&sku=824046

and here:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/UNDERWORLD-Ring-Road-5-MIXES-Promo-CD-Sealed_W0QQitemZ350075524629QQcmdZViewItem?hash=it em350075524629&&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177

And the 12":

http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/318595-01.htm

Not bad, but would like better a b/w pic.

[big screen satellite]

i love that artwork - best of the series so far...

[holden]

i love that artwork - best of the series so far...

Not quite feeling it. It's a little too minimal for my taste, and reminds me of some new wave record cover of the early 80's or something.

I really like the typographic covers for "The Bells" and "Boy Boy Boy", but i think the leafprints for "Beautiful Burnout" and "Crocodile" are my faves of the set. This latest stylistically doesn't go with any of them.

[negative1]

Not quite feeling it. It's a little too minimal for my taste, and reminds me of some new wave record cover of the early 80's or something.

I really like the typographic covers for "The Bells" and "Boy Boy Boy", but i think the leafprints for "Beautiful Burnout" and "Crocodile" are my faves of the set. This latest stylistically doesn't go with any of them.

holy fricking cow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
do i actually agree with holden!!!!!!!
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
later
-1

[potatobroth]

This artwork is highly derivative of Russian Contstructivism, a movement I've always had a fondness for.

You can see some samples here from El Lissitzky. (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&pwst=1&resnum=0&q=el+lissitzky&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi&oi=property_suggestions&resnum=0&ct=property-revision&cd=1)

[dubman]

i said it before and i'll say it now.
*I* was supposed to be the one surreptitiously trying to revive suprematism for the general audience. i've been getting away with using it as a springing board throughout all of college. no fair that underworld beat me to it right as i graduated... . now it'll just look like i'll have copied tomato :mad: ;)

though i didnt think i would be that flagrant about it ;)

[BrotherLovesDub]

will buy on 12" for maximum visual satisfaction.

A+++++ FAST SHIPPING!

[big screen satellite]

Not quite feeling it. It's a little too minimal for my taste, and reminds me of some new wave record cover of the early 80's or something.

I really like the typographic covers for "The Bells" and "Boy Boy Boy", but i think the leafprints for "Beautiful Burnout" and "Crocodile" are my faves of the set. This latest stylistically doesn't go with any of them.

haha 80's retro thats why I like it

tbh - i've had my fill of typographic covers now from Tomato - not that i don't like them - and i really adore 'the bells' cover, but i like this new move to something different and font stye on the ring road single...

it's kinda styled like Duran Duran from around the Rio era - now where's Karl in white slip ons on a boat when you need him?

in fact its like this one - http://www.discogs.com/image/R-137594-001.jpg

[Dino3D]

It's released today!!! Yay!! :)

But HMV still hasn't got it...

[Dino3D]

It seems the CD single delayed.

[Dino3D]

Where is the CD single???!!!

[BeautifulBurnout]

Where is the CD single???!!!

*looks under the table*

Nope - it's not here.

Says here (http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=93;-1;-1;-1&sku=824046) it will be back in stock in 7 days, though, so presumably it is already sold out....

[IsiliRunite]

Press Release: "...a snapshot in time thatʼs both observational and abstract –
capturing Underworld in fine form."

I am willing to concede this is true only if people show me literature on the basis of this claim. 'Literary Analysis of Underworld', perhaps.

Has anyone tried purchasing this single on eBay?

[Dino3D]

*looks under the table*

Nope - it's not here.

Says here (http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=93;-1;-1;-1&sku=824046) it will be back in stock in 7 days, though, so presumably it is already sold out....


But I pre-ordered it weeks before, and on the release day, it said back in stock... So they never had the single, it's not sold out. I think, it won't released on CD. :(

[TheBang]

Yeah, it looks like just the 12" came out last week. Hopefully the CD will come out this week.

[joethelion]

I just went ahead and got the wav's off of beatport... not the ideal by any means

but at least I've got them in lossless

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Bored beyond belief.

[dubman]

TWIST REDUX

[hotpies]

It seems it's official. HMV have cancelled my order and say the item has been "deleted". Time to get those MP3s...
:(

[holden]

TWIST REDUX


Oh, man, let's hope not!
At least RR has artwork, a tracklist, a 12". The supposed Twist release was super-vague, if memory serves.

[Dino3D]

FU*K! The CD cancelled! :( I hate stupid mp3s!!!!!! And I haven't got vinyl player.....

[TheBang]

Promo CD's are on eBay. Going for about 3-5 pounds. That's what I got. Otherwise WAV's are available on Beatport for a pretty penny. Or 256 Kbps DRM-free AAC on iTunes (Europe) including the music video and PDF booklet.