New Japan only CD/DVD set coming soon

[maurice]

Hello all, has anyone noticed this new listing on HMV and the Traffic Japan website? Looks like there's a remix CD/DVD coming out this summer:

http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2733299

http://trafficjpn.com/news/show/231

Cool, it has the studio version of Parc too!

[Lx_Nen]

Nice....

The Bells! The Bells! (Remixes & Videos from the Oblivion with Bells album)
CD + DVD: TRCP 34-35

If "(新曲)" does mean 'studio version', then that's one track knocked off the ever increasing 'to do' list for Underworld... on the other hand 新曲 might mean 'Atlanta' for all I can tell.

also on HMV japan... http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/1449790 ..."Balloon Head"? is this the AHDO badge?

[hotpies]

ooh hello.

新曲 means new track. although parc has been around a while in some form - but i guess this is the finished version (if there ever is a "finished version" with underworld!).

according to the traffic page, it'll be released 25th june complete with a 36-page "artbook". looking good!

[hotpies]

oh, and there will be two versions of the crocodile and ring road videos (multi-angle, according to hmv).

[TheBang]

also on HMV japan... http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/1449790 ..."Balloon Head"? is this the AHDO badge?

AHDO T-shirt, apparently:

http://www.pgs.ne.jp/ASP/catalog/fashion.asp?whatID=3841

[testudo]

ooh hello.

新曲 means new track. although parc has been around a while in some form - but i guess this is the finished version (if there ever is a "finished version" with underworld!).

according to the traffic page, it'll be released 25th june complete with a 36-page "artbook". looking good!

I wish the boys would mention something on the website or post something on the blog... the Japanese translation of the text is weird... it says something about 'parc' being an instrumental track, i hope this is the 'darc' we know and love, and not something different

[Troy McClure]

Would someone ordering from the US be able to play the DVD? Japan is region 2 per Wikipedia. I didn't seen a region code listed on HMV JP.

I have a Leftfield DVD from their A Final Hit release that I could only view on my PC.

Jason

[TheBang]

IIRC, the OwB bonus DVD from Japan was region coded, so there's a good chance this will be too.

[mondokat]

IIRC, the OwB bonus DVD from Japan was region coded, so there's a good chance this will be too.DVD Shrink or DVD Decrypter can strip the region for you, then you can re-burn it. That's what I did with my HMV OWB import so I could watch it. "Loads of Birds" was totally worth it. ;) Plus, I used the opportunity to rip my Footwear Repairs VHS to DVD and put them both on the same disk (The OWB disk is short). I'm happy.

Of course, I'd be happier if we could just buy all this stuff in the states. 50 bucks for the OWB DVD import is pretty ridiculous for most people.

[stauff]

... the Japanese translation of the text is weird... it says something about 'parc' being an instrumental track, i hope this is the 'darc' we know and love, and not something different

Hrm.. I think that's just machine translation being weird, there's nothing really like that in the original :) Although, they do say it's a remastered version (I think, I'm not good on obscure technical terms..)
It also says it's the one used for the J-WAVE 20th anniversary, so I assume it's the same one.

- Matthew

[TheBang]

And there it is:

http://www.underworldlive.com/home/Japan-CD-DVD.html

Latest News ... 'the Bells ... the Bells ...' a cd and dvd of remixes and videos for Crocodile; Beautiful Burnout; Boy, Boy, Boy; Ring Road is to be released in Japan only and from underworldlive.com on 25th June. This sumptuous package includes a 36 page booklet of new photographs and the previously unreleased track Parc.

CD
1. Parc (previously unreleased)
2. Crocodile (Innervisions Orchestra mix)
3. Boy Boy Boy (Switch remix)
4. Beautiful Burnout (Pig & Dan remix)
5. Beautiful Burnout (Mark Knight remix)
6. Ring Road (Autokratz remix)
7. Ring Road (Kris Menace remix)
8. Holding The Moth (Audiojack remix)

DVD
1. Crocodile (Directed by Simon Taylor)
2. Crocodile - version (Directed by Simon Taylor) - aka 'Aligator version'
3. Boy, Boy, Boy (Directed by Simon Taylor)
4. Beautiful Burnout (Directed by Dirk Van Dooren)
4. Ring Road (Directed by Ian St.George Freeman and Graham Wood)
4. Ring Road - version (Directed by John Warwicker and Julian Bryant)
5. Beautiful Burnout (Live at the Oblivion Ball, Japan 2007. Directed by Simon Taylor)

[potatobroth]

i'm down with purchasing this just for Parc. Any idea if this will end up in the online store?

EDIT: i just learned to read.

[holden]

I like the design....sumptuous, indeed! ;)

So i guess when,during the last radioshow, they were asked if they were considering putting the more recent videos out on DVD, Karl's "oh yes, oh yes!" was quite sincere.

Looking forward to June. Mostly for P/Darc!

[negative1]

darnit i'm getting it..

yeah about those videos, where's the rest of them (the good
ones that is).... i guess they have to concentrate on these,
as they are current...

later
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[TheBang]

i'm down with purchasing this just for Parc. Any idea if this will end up in the online store?

EDIT: i just learned to read.

See, the wording's kind of awkward. "to be released in Japan only and from underworldlive.com". I guess that means it'll be released on underworldlive.com? Or are they talking about their label?

If it were to be released online, what happens with the video portion? That's about 40 minutes of video. DVD image? That would be at least 2 GB. Compressed web video? Still about 700 MB.

But yeah, I'm definitely getting the physical package. The 36 page booklet sounds nice. Hope the DVD's not region coded.

[gillenium]

So, will this have the 3 year old concert lyrics, or a brand new, shiny studio recording?

*sigh* My assumption is the former.

[BrotherLovesDub]

seems like it's going to be the same version as played on Japanese radio.

i've ordered The Bells! now in addition to the Oblivion Ball + Boy3 cd single.

[big screen satellite]

does Quasimodo feature on this DVD??

[TheBang]

HMV.co.jp currently has it on sale for 15% off, ¥3,124:
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2733299

Amazon.co.jp has a page up for it, but it's not available for order yet:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B0019LGAVM/

[TheBang]

does Quasimodo feature on this DVD??
Yes. Guess which one is Karl.

[big screen satellite]

Yes. Guess which one is Karl.


lol

[King of Snake]

So, will this have the 3 year old concert lyrics, or a brand new, shiny studio recording?

*sigh* My assumption is the former.

well if it is a new studio recording, I hope it sounds as close as possible to the Amsterdam live version, cause that was pretty much perfect right there. (assuming that "Parc" is indeed "Darc" as we know it, it could be something different altogether)

[crazysugarboy]

Ordered from hmv.jp :) Bring on physical!

[freur]

Parc preview on uwlive.com!!

[negative1]

Parc preview on uwlive.com!!

don't you mean http://www.underworldlive.com

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[gillenium]

I'm happy that D... Parc is being released, and now I can finally change my sig, but it seems so anti-climactic to rewind the track back to 2005. If you listen to the recording in Atlanta, the lyrics have been revised, the guitar improv is new (and better, in my opinion), Rick's vocoder stuff is completely different (and again, better). But now we've just gone back in time.

It seems like they just wanted to get the track out of the way. I don't think they like it as much as we do..

[TheBang]

Well, there's nothing to say they can't release "D/Parc (r83cr3)".

[King of Snake]

at least you'll be able to change your sig soon ;)

THIS TRACK ROCKS SO MUCH BTW!

PS this sounds like it might actually be pretty much a direct recording from the amsterdam live version with some cosmetic changes.

[TheBang]

PS this sounds like it might actually be pretty much a direct recording from the amsterdam live version with some cosmetic changes.

It is, as we discussed in the Parc thread (http://www.darktrain.org/dirty/forums/showthread.php?t=8401).

[King of Snake]

sorry missed that thread :)

[m.g.]

Mmm... hmv says "Out Soon - current release date is 25 Jun 2008" I'll probably wait a bit, just to see if they won't sell it from the uw digital shop. Looks gorgeous, though...

[crazysugarboy]

I just hope that Parc/Darc on this new cd includes the gorgeous vocal sample "..cruel and tender, electric degrees of truth, like a spider on my skin, like the way you slip away from me.." Just faaaaantastic:)

[crazysugarboy]

"...freshly squeezed and funky"

I adore adore adore this track

[freur]

don't you mean http://www.underworldlive.com

later
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yep, of course ;)

[mmm skyscraper]

Will the next single have barc and qarc on it?

[potatobroth]

pdbq

[gillenium]

Will the next single have barc and qarc on it?

I wonder why they changed it to Parc... I mean, it's only one letter, what was the harm of keeping it as is?

[negative1]

I wonder why they changed it to Parc... I mean, it's only one letter, what was the harm of keeping it as is?

because it was a song in progress....so why should they keep
the same name?

how many iterations of 'born slippy' were there?
'...'
telematic
.nuxx

etc.

this is no different..

later
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[sanakan]

perhaps to avoid confusion with "dark and long"?

[patrick]

I wonder why they changed it to Parc... I mean, it's only one letter, what was the harm of keeping it as is?

where did the name darc even come from? maybe it was mis-heard or a messy scrible for a while? I dunno...

I like how there is a good version up on underworldlive.com though. Reminds me of a warm breeze blowing down by the river.

[spacejunk]

I reckon this preview is not the version that will appear on the CD. The preview is just to let us know what the track is and is not it's final form.

[Jan]

I'd be very surprised if this is not the final thing. I think this "developing the song live" idea turned out quite good and I'm very much looking forward to listen to this on the CD. I don't know what to think about those weird phasing artifacts about 2/3 in, though.

I hope we will see Darc/Parc again in some form (longer, maybe studio vocals, etc...). Maybe on a non-album single or a RiverRun?

[TheBang]

I have to agree with Jan that what we've heard on the radio and the website is what will be on the CD. Too much non-trivial effort was put into retooling it to just be a "preview" of the "proper" version.

where did the name darc even come from? maybe it was mis-heard or a messy scrible for a while? I dunno...

It was the title of the MP3 file posted to the Members Archive on underworldlive.com. It was also referred to as "Darc" (quite clearly) by Rick on the Southampton broadcast. In fact, it's even in the tracklist:

http://www.underworldlive.com/livebroadcasts/071008-southampton.html

So, it's clearly a name change.

[big screen satellite]

I wonder why they changed it to Parc... I mean, it's only one letter, what was the harm of keeping it as is?

they changed the name because the literal translation of Darc in Japanese is offensive or derogatory - hence the name change

no other reason

(as far as i have been told....)

[gillenium]

they changed the name because the literal translation of Darc in Japanese is offensive or derogatory - hence the name change

no other reason

(as far as i have been told....)

Oh..

Well, that's actually quite logical. Thanks for clearing it up!

[TheBang]

they changed the name because the literal translation of Darc in Japanese is offensive or derogatory

That's weird, because I don't even know what the literal meaning of "Darc" is in English.

[mondokat]

they changed the name because the literal translation of Darc in Japanese is offensive or derogatory - hence the name changeSo.... What's it mean?:confused:

[big screen satellite]

So.... What's it mean?:confused:


hahah i have no idea...

perhaps when its pronounced in japanese, it sounds offensive, rather than reads as offensive...

either way i think in Engish its just a 'poor' spelling of Dark, hence Parc (Park)

this was the reason given to me anyway...

:)

[Jan]

Parc (Park)
I've just realized this for the first time... :o

[Dino3D]

I love the idea of this release, but I can't understand why just a Japan-only release.

[mondokat]

I love the idea of this release, but I can't understand why just a Japan-only release.Because Underworld love the Japanese more than the Americans. :(

[gillenium]

Well, they love the Japanese more than ANYBODY. Can't say I blame them though. Those crowds are intense.

[Buji]

Just been listening to 'Parc' on Underworldlive, and have gotta say I love it!

Already starting to build my own Underworld album, starting with:-

Bamboo
Parc
You Do Scribble

Parc is a quality summer tune!

[Dirty0900]

Japan is the biggest market for UW and the second in the world for all artists.

[TheBang]

Article on Tomato with pics of The Bells The Bells booklet (click the article title to expand)

http://www.tomato.co.uk/?p=1406

[nosajmunson]

I'm playing catch up here. Is there anything that is 100% certain on this?
Is it being released In Japan ONLY? The homepage isn't clear to me:

"...is to be released in Japan only and from underworldlive.com on 25th June."

Does that mean they will sell it through the site shop?
Or is is just wishful thinking on my part?

[mondokat]

Does that mean they will sell it through the site shop?
Or is is just wishful thinking on my part?

We'll find out on the 25th. :rolleyes:

[King of Snake]

to me it reads like it will be released in stores in japan, and the rest of us can buy it from uwlive.com
Which makes sense i guess. It probably would not sell enough in europe/usa to warrant getting the whole physical distribution in shops happening.

[Dirty0900]

And it'll save postage costs from Japan.

Maybe we can get some answers on the next radio show.

[joethelion]

my bet is that it WON'T be available on uwlive

I say that b/c their actual record label is called "underworldlive.com" -> or at least that's how it was/is labeled on beatport (if memory serves me)

and look at the track history - back when they actually sold physical products... they didn't sell the Beautiful Burnout or the Boy Boy Boy singles (and I'm pretty sure not the Crocodile one either)

...or that one live in Japan concert (not the x3 cd one... I mean the one that was done around the time of liveherenow)

my bet - we're gonna have to buy it from like hmv.co.jp , etc etc

[BrotherLovesDub]

my bet - we're gonna have to buy it from like hmv.co.jp , etc etc

i agree with you joethelion. i don't think they have the staff or infrastructure to deal with fulfilling orders through the website right now. perhaps digital downloads will be sold of the material but i'm guessing if you want the actual physical release, you'll need to order it through HMV.JP

[potatobroth]

to be released in Japan only and from underworldlive.com on 25th June.

1) To be released in Japan only and from Record Label on 25th of June.
2) To be released in Japan stores only, and from Underworld.com's online store.

I'd say from the wording, that it will be released on the web (as digital download?) solely because of the word, 'and' that is used. Without the 'and' it could go either way. It just doesn't make sense the way it is written unless it is to be released in some form or another the actual site.

[TheBang]

I think it's pretty clear that it's worded poorly.

[potatobroth]

I think it's pretty clear that it's worded poorly.

well its only worded poorly if it won't be available from the website :D

[TheBang]

Holding the Moth (Audiojack Remix) is available for listening on their MySpace:

http://www.myspace.com/audiojackmusic

[negative1]

Holding the Moth (Audiojack Remix) is available for listening on their MySpace:

http://www.myspace.com/audiojackmusic


everytime i think there isn't a way to make underworld
music sound worse, i get proven wrong..

i'm beginning to wonder how much torture this
collection is going to be...if it weren't for the videos
(which in itself are questionable)....why get it?

ah, the torture of being a collector....another single/dvd
combo thats going to collect some serious dust..

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................. ..

later
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[BrotherLovesDub]

i happen to thing the Audiojack remix is the best remix from the OWB album. It was great to hear it played the other day. can't wait to get my Bells cd set!

[mondokat]

If you ask me, the audiojack version is jacked. It's a class below underworld. The original is about a thousand times better, makes the audiojack version sound like some punk high schooler made it in his free time when he wasn't playing stick ball in the sandlot.

[big screen satellite]

i happen to thing the Audiojack remix is the best remix from the OWB album. It was great to hear it played the other day. can't wait to get my Bells cd set!

yeah me too...

[negative1]

yeah me too...

honestly? is that saying much?
do you really think its better than some of the
'beautiful burnout' mixes or even 'crocodile'?

well.....to each their own..

later
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[mark3]

Pics of 'The Bells! The Bells!' artwork/packaging:
http://trafficjpn.com/news/show/254

[BrotherLovesDub]

so beautiful. i'm happy i ordered this already.

[big screen satellite]

Pics of 'The Bells! The Bells!' artwork/packaging:
http://trafficjpn.com/news/show/254

lol - at the photographer showing 4 photos of a gatefold sleeve - imaginative...

'look it opens like this...'

still can't wait for mine to arrive either

[m.g.]

I'm currently waiting to be able to buy it directly from UW online shop...

[testudo]

This should be released as a double 12" album via underworldlive.com

[hypeless]

is it released? :)

[BufoBufo]

That's what I was wandering when I logged on at four this morning. Shouldn't it be up for download/physical purchase at Underworldlive by now? I don't fancy going round the houses (and the equator) with HMV.co.jp, not unless I really have to.

[potatobroth]

Never did care for remixes. i'm only interested in Parc, but seeing as how its exactly like the Amsterdam version, I can wait until its released here.

[testudo]

HMV has said, they have sent it out

[DwarfeD]

I've recieved my copy today, it's very nice with a solid carton package.
At this moment listening to the proper version of Parc, which is really nice!
-----
Just listened to all the remixes and IMO the Audiojack remix of Holding The Moth is really nice, much better then the Jesse Rose remix on the BBB-single.

[testudo]

I am loving this... it as an album is BRILLIANT!

is it sad if I like this more than OWB?

[BrotherLovesDub]

When all is said and done, this era is going to be regarded as perhaps the strongest creative period of Smith/Hyde as writing partners.

[potatobroth]

I am loving this... it as an album is BRILLIANT!

is it sad if I like this more than OWB?

you honestly like the remixes more than the album? wow. that shocks me.

[Sean]

So anyone who got this that's been as frustrated with recent remixes of Underworld tracks as I have been....are these remixes worth it? Because seriously, I've really disliked the bulk of the remixes they've had done lately, and I don't feel like throwing my money at another disappointment.

[BrotherLovesDub]

So anyone who got this that's been as frustrated with recent remixes of Underworld tracks as I have been....are these remixes worth it? Because seriously, I've really disliked the bulk of the remixes they've had done lately, and I don't feel like throwing my money at another disappointment.

no, it's not worth it for the remixes. it's worth it for the videos, the b-sides and the packaging. don't buy this for the remixes because bar one or two, they're all shit.

[crazysugarboy]

Mine arrived today (and this time a sweetie-pie parcelforce guy:)) - listening as I type - really like the Crocodile Inversions mix but still can't work out what Karl is singing during the middle section with even the heavy vocoder removed:eek:. Boy boy boy has just started and I'm not too of this - bit too extreme. Nice to have Darc/Parc as a physical release but unfortunaly only "cruel and tender...like a spider on my skin" spoken bit by, I think, Mikey.

[sloff]

So no word on ordering from the online store yet? I checked in again to today and still didn't see any mention of it. The shop only has the Riverrun 12"s or am I just blind?
Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong June 25th.

[negative1]

got mine today..
this is the most pretentious package i've seen from them yet,

the book is so blurry and dark(ha, get it), you can barely make out
anything....

the videos, eh? anything new? have we not seen these all before?

the audio mixes, are of course, useless...

the only track worth getting is 'parc', and hopefully you can get
it online, and save yourself all the money, and hassle of finding
this in a store, ordering it etc...

+
--
parc

-
-----
poor video choices
poor audio selection (just buy the promos for the tracks you like)

overall D- grade, or 1/2 star out of 5...

later
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[holden]

this is the most pretentious package i've seen from them yet...

overall D- grade, or 1/2 star out of 5...


Ouch! Tell us how you really feel!

imho, it doesn't seem any more pretentious than any other output they've done. They're obviously proud of OWB and this phase of their output, so they're quite entitled and in the right to release this. Like all art, if you don't "get it" it's easy to call it pretentious.
I mean, you could make a case that bloating "dark and Long" EP with 20+ minute self-indulgent remixes is pretentious. And the artwork of STITI? Child's fingerpaint.
:rolleyes:

Of course i'm kidding on those.

Agree, most of the remixes are mediocre or maybe just not my cup of tea, and since their not UW productions, i'm not that interested in missing out. But having the videos is great, and a clean copy of Parc, yay!
(by the way, can anyone confirm if "Parc" is really based on the live recording of "darc" from amsterdam? Or is it a new studio recording?)

To each their own, i guess.

[BrotherLovesDub]

the videos, eh? anything new? have we not seen these all before?


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and yet, i'm sure you'd be first in line to buy Footwear Repairs on DVD despite having 'seen it all before'.

raj, you're clearly unsatisfied with the recent output from Underworld. Many people are. Many people are also loving this phase from Rick and Karl (and Darren etc). you bought The Bells having heard all (nearly all?) of the material on there. you knew exactly what was included. if the booklet had been 2 pages i'm sure you would have demanded more pages. i love the band and i'm a collector. japan only deluxe editions are a double edged sword. i hate that i have to buy them but i love them sitting in my collection. sad, i know, but that's the reality. while i respect your right to not like the release or the bands decision to release this in japan only, i'm not really sympathetic to your complaints re: The Bells.

[crazysugarboy]

Ouch! Tell us how you really feel!

Like all art, if you don't "get it" it's easy to call it pretentious.
I mean, you could make a case that bloating "dark and Long" EP with 20+ minute self-indulgent remixes is pretentious. And the artwork of STITI? Child's fingerp
(by the way, can anyone confirm if "Parc" is really based on the live recording of "darc" from amsterdam? Or is it a new studio recording?)

To each their own, i guess.

I agree holden. I don't "get" the dark images of the booklet but that's not to say say that that I don't like the individual images. At the end of the day, Rick, Karl, and John W (and all he other Tomato guys) have been to art college, and so they know a whole lot more about art than us philistines. However, as a craftsman, I recognise what a beautiful creation the "..bells, the bells" packaging is.

Having the Amsterdam live original on the commy, I can confirm 99.9% that it is the original, with the audiance sounds erased, and the lovely spoken bits taken out :-( , except "cruel and tender...like a spider on my skin"

[negative1]

doesn't anyone think its weird the disparity
between the artistic commercial releases,
and 'book of jams' which are amazing?

don't you think the live radio shows have bits
of brilliant tracks, creative efforts from the band?
compared to the by the numbers mixes we hear?

dont' you wonder what the disconnect between
commercial releases and online (and sometimes
free) projects are?

i stand by my review 100%, for what it is, no more,
no less....do i tell people to stay away from the excellent
'book of jam' releases? (which suprisingly few people
talk about)...didn't i comment on each video
as it was released good/bad?

yeah, uw puts it stamp of approval on what gets out,
and what is released of course......but there's a reason
this is an exclusive japan only release, and
you would hope for better...if people want to know
what they're getting (and i did), and spend their
hard earned money on this, its only fair that a variety
of opinions are voiced over it...did i claim mine was
authoritative? no, i'm just one voice among many
(and i'm not the only negative one)..

by the way holden, previous underworld releases,
had their time and place, and impact....dont you think
they would want to maintain, and keep up to the standard
they set?

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[big screen satellite]

right - if there is an authority on this, then its me - being the (still) number one super fan ;) ;)

i have stopped buying UW in bulk, but still buy the main releases on 'commercial' CD's (just the one copy these days, mind) and seriously this is the best packaged set i have - the gatefold card sleeve is excellent - the design is wonderful

it is ceratinly worth it - and much better than the 'special edition' digipack Beaucoup Fish CD set (which is prone to ripping) and better than the Epecial Edition 1992-2002 set, which also had 'deluxe' style packaging

its certainly not pretentious - unless, which, like some people consider - all art is pretentious... yes the pictures are dark, but that's the imagry they used - i love the graphics and set up of the entire package - and i'm no art critic

the DVD's are new - in terms of - we don't have many videos in DVD form anywhere - so thats a breakthrough i feel - i like the idea of having a hard copy version of these music / movie / art pieces

the remixes may not be everyone's cup of tea, but this is the 2000's not the 90's and remixers, and club sounds have moved on. Steve Hall has picked a good choice of 'up and coming' and different remixers for this set and well they work (in parts).

I'm not going to say i like all the remixes, but play them loud and in a club and they rock.... how many of you people get out and hear these remixers in clubs? I'm really begining to enjoy all of the Ring Road mixes now... they are MY cup of tea...

yeah some people don't like this set, and for the casual viewer / listener its probably not for them, but if you are a fan of Underworld - its certainly worth buying - i'd say if it wasn't - depends on your wallet i suppose - i'd personally rather have the hard copy in lush packaging than the mp3's of this anyday

Underworld are still doing it their way and are still innovating - they are still certainly the best act (collective) in electronica and dance music - no one comes close (especially after so long at the top)

i'm still a big fan - but that doesn't distort my opinion on this release - i really do like it....

if we're marking it out of 5 - it gets four from me

[crank]

i just want to know when aNt is going to get his arse in gear and get the webstore fully functional so us gits in the rest of the world can get our grubs on them without paying an arm and a leg...

for the love of pete! aNt lets have at it!

[holden]

doesn't anyone think its weird the disparity
between the artistic commercial releases,
and 'book of jams' which are amazing?

don't you think the live radio shows have bits
of brilliant tracks, creative efforts from the band?
compared to the by the numbers mixes we hear?

dont' you wonder what the disconnect between
commercial releases and online (and sometimes
free) projects are?

i stand by review 100%, for what it is, no more,
no less....do i tell people to stay away from the excellent
'book of jam' releases? (which suprisingly few people
talk about)...didn't i comment on each video
as it was released good/bad?

yeah, uw puts it stamp of approval on what gets out,
and what is released of course......

by the way holden, previous underworld releases,
had their time and place, and impact....dont you think
they would want to maintain, and keep up to the standard
they set?


That's your subjective opinion and you're right to stand by it. But i think you're mixing apples and oranges.

Agree that the artwork of the Books of Jam is probably more compelling that the Bells package. But it's also about format and audience. BoJ are larger format collections, which automatically look better on your larger screen than a 4.75"x4.75" CD liner (or whatevert the gatefold's page dimension is). BoJ is loaded with images, some good, some less interesting...one can clutch onto what they like from the large choice, discard the rest, whereas the comparatively few images of the gatefold are permanent and unavoidable.
BoJ is free and downloaded (i'd suppose) primarily by the hardcore fans. In them, they can do whatever they want. theBells is also a niche purchase (regional or import), but is not necessarily the format for artistic experiments.

As for the radio shows, yes, UW have unveiled some snippets of tracks that sound very interesting. They've also played some pieces which frankly sound unfinished or wouldn't appeal to some for a commercial release. And then, we all go gaa-gaa for tracks like Bamboo, ALaF, 020202...fact is these songs have been floating around for years without completion or release. Further, how can you compare the "by the numbers" mixes by DIFFERENT PRODUCERS with Underworld's own tracks? BigScreen addresses this above. Apples and oranges, my friend.

The disconnect between free and commercial output is simple: audience and intent. Some things are not ready for broad release or wouldn't appeal to the whole fan base. In the free releases, they can do whatever, shoot a lot of arrows, see which stick. Commercial releases cost money to produce (duh) and have a lot more hands on the product from labels, producers, distributors...more restrictions and more need for focusing to consumers.

As for your comment about previous releases having their time and place and impact...yeah? That's true of EVERY release by EVERY artist...it had an impact on someone. Bands change, no one likes every song a particular band made (if they say they do, they're probably lying!). If you don't dig their latest phase, fine. That's no reason to suspect that they've dipped in quality by not reaching the "standard" you've set for them. I've said it before, paraphrasing R&K...OWB is the album they wanted to make for a long while and (my opinion) it's certainly more cohesive that AHDO or perhaps even BF.

Their output in all forms since 2005 or so has been nothing short of prolific and incredibly generous. In my eyes, we've been treated to a luxury of having so much music and art to discuss and critique here, which is fun and is certainly better than having nothing new (a la 2000-AHDO, AHDO - RiverRun).

[BrotherLovesDub]

doesn't anyone think its weird the disparity
between the artistic commercial releases,
and 'book of jams' which are amazing?

don't you think the live radio shows have bits
of brilliant tracks, creative efforts from the band?
compared to the by the numbers mixes we hear?

dont' you wonder what the disconnect between
commercial releases and online (and sometimes
free) projects are?


i don't see a disconnect/disparity, i take them all for what they are meant to be. each avenue/channel has it's own value to the fan/listener/collector but few bands have given the fans such a wealth of material to digest, most of it for free. i'm not sure why you are having such a hard time with remixes other people have done for UW. i could give a shit about the remixes. i'm not an underworld fan to see how some other fool can rework their songs. those mixes are for club play. as far as what Rick, Karl and Darren have done with the music they've created live and in the studio for the last 3 years or so, i think it includes the best music to have Underworld's name on it. Tomato have done a great job with the live visuals and artwork for the releases/book of jams. videos don't mean shit to me and haven't since i eagerly awaited Duran Duran's new video (Union of the Snake) way back in the day. i was left disappointed by that, and haven't really given a shit about that particular promotional tool since.

i picked up Boy Boy Boy cd single, Oblivion Ball and The Bells, The Bells from the post office today and couldn't be happier.

[big screen satellite]

i have personally seen the club reaction details for this release and know for a fact that the remixes of Ring Road are the best UW have received for a long while - the fake blood mix is currently 'tearing up dance floors'

i think some of you people need to get out in the clubs / (festival) tents and see how these mixes are going down with the crowds - who actually listen to dance music week in week out....

i don't even think its about shifting units, its how popular Underworld are in terms of reaction and bums on seats in terms of live perfomances - these are what Underworld enjoy most and probably make most money doing - Underworld are at a peak, in a more rapidly changing dance arena than has ever been - if UW can make a track at the begining of the 90's like mmm skyscraper, and 16 years later make a track like Ring Road (or more differently Beautiful Burnout) then i commend them....

again, as i have said i am a big fan, but i truly belive this period in Underworld's existence is one of their best and most creative - keep it coming

in the 00's sadly people want instant gratification - and the next new thing on the horizon arrives before the current thing has expired - at least underworld are fresh now as they ever were...

[BrotherLovesDub]

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The Bells, The Bells (http://www.biznotic.com/images/thebirdsthebirds.jpg)

[BeautifulBurnout]

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The Bells, The Bells (http://www.biznotic.com/images/thebirdsthebirds.jpg)

LMFAO! :D

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just find that sometimes the opinions are so negative about just about everything that is released or broadcast for free (side bar: yes, I have a long memory and remember only too well the comment about the Misterons mix at Christmas and how we shouldn't be thanking the band for giving us FOR FREE something that they ought to be doing all the time :rolleyes:) that I really dismiss the dissing outright while barely bothering to read it.

If one wants to be stuck in the early 90s, so be it. I, for one, find that Underworld have grown, metamorphosed and progressed with the times to develop into a band that still has their finger on the pulse. But that is only my opinion.

[BrotherLovesDub]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

yes. i agree. everyone is entitled to their opinion. as i stated before, i appreciate what negative 1 has contributed to this forum and NOOL and would consider the darktrain forums to be at a loss without his contributions. my pic was meant to be funny, not hurtful. just wanted to clarify.

[negative1]

i don't see a disconnect/disparity, i take them all for what they are meant to be. each avenue/channel has it's own value to the fan/listener/collector but few bands have given the fans such a wealth of material to digest, most of it for free.

i think i mentioned that..


i'm not sure why you are having such a hard time with remixes other people have done for UW. i could give a shit about the remixes. i'm not an underworld fan to see how some other fool can rework their songs. those mixes are for club play. as far as what Rick, Karl and Darren have done with the music they've created live and in the studio for the last 3 years or so, i think it includes the best music to have Underworld's name on it.

Tomato have done a great job with the live visuals and artwork for the releases/book of jams. videos don't mean shit to me and haven't since i eagerly awaited Duran Duran's new video (Union of the Snake) way back in the day. i was left disappointed by that, and haven't really given a shit about that particular promotional tool since.

i picked up Boy Boy Boy cd single, Oblivion Ball and The Bells, The Bells from the post office today and couldn't be happier.

first of all, i liked the 'union of the snake' video, and the song,
it was the first 12" i ever bought...altered images artwork rocks...

the boy boy boy is ONLY good for the artwork, and the live album,
yeah thats more like a complete package......but then its not
really part of any new creative output is it? its just a recording of them
live, which they've co-opted to liveherenow...

anyways, if you don't like remixes or videos, you're telling me
you bought this (bells bells bells) just for the packaging/artwork?

later
-1

[negative1]

just for reference..

i have a large table in my bedroom, (sorry i don't
have a digital camera), so i cant show you..

on it...is the following:
-----------------------------------------------
back wall - both beautiful burnout 12" leaning back, along with 2x12" album,
both crocodile 12"........

table (left hand side)- ion usb turntable

table (middle) - all the liveherenow releases organized by date,
spread out next to each other..along with 'the oblivion ball'

far right hand side of table - every promo underworld release
3 cd single promos of 'crocodile' , 2 track dvd promo of crocodile,
japanese crocodile cd-single, 4 different beautiful burnout promos,
boy boy boy japanese single, ring road promo cd-single,
breaking and entering soundtrack, dvd epk for everything everything,
riverrun remix promo cd, stack of about 15 adho related releases..

front of table- oblivion with bell us cd+dvd, japanese cd+dvd, underworld
live in tokyo 3xcd...

sitting on top of stack (wondering where to hide it) - bells bells bells

artwork, what is the best so far (in my opinion)
----------------------------------------------
tourbook (from oblivion with bells) beautiful artwork,
large pages, amazing picture, great text A+

all the album cover artwork - large, and beautiful to look at...

liveherenow covers - once again, cool pieces of individual art,
smaller though..

then comes the cd covers, the singles/promos...

and of course lastly 'bells, bells, bells',

-----------------------------------------
i wake up everyday looking at their artwork,

not a day goes by when i don't listen to/read/watch
something from them.........

i have an entire table, several boxes, and a wall to frame
their stuff with..

i guess this means i really don't have a basis to judge
anything from them? yeah, right...

later
-1

[BrotherLovesDub]

j
i guess this means i really don't have a basis to judge
anything from them? yeah, right...

later
-1

that's not at all what i'm saying. i know you've got a shit ton of UW stuff. i know you're a collector too. i also know that you've been unhappy with nearly everything UW have done for the last few years and since you've previously been someone i've felt had similar taste/interests, i'm surprised at how aggressively you've argued against the artistic direction/marketing from Underworld. we're just completely opposed w/r/t the 2005-2008 era.

[BrotherLovesDub]

the boy boy boy is ONLY good for the artwork

i bought it for Peach Tree, which i love.

[BrotherLovesDub]

and the live album,
yeah thats more like a complete package......but then its not
really part of any new creative output is it?

i think you would be encouraging Underworld to release live shows in beautifully packaged cases were they not actually releasing them in beautifully packaged cases! i'm not sure how you can complain about any of the LiveHereNow shows, other than the issues with LiveHereNow. we got exactly what we asked for!

[BrotherLovesDub]

anyways, if you don't like remixes or videos, you're telling me
you bought this (bells bells bells) just for the packaging/artwork?

later
-1

yes. i bought it for Parc on CD, the artwork and to have it in my collection.

[holden]

Got it and listening now. A brief review of the audio, FWiW:

1. Parc - Just lovely. Great to have in "studio" quality. 10/10

2. Crocodile - Innervisions Orchestra Mix - long, chilled and dubby. 8/10

3. Boy Boy Boy - Switch remix - a mi no me gusta esto. Too many random bits happening, and the 'boy boy boy boy" sample played at different pitches is embarrasing. Sounds like my old casio sampler where you could speak (or better, burp) into the mic and play back on the keys. What's up with the "what you want from me this time?" sample? And for good measure, add some cowbell, but not the good kind as on "Two Months Off" or "Don't Fear the Reaper";) This is of the vein of remixes i can't stand, essentially the producer's tack with only a quick vocal sample from the original. Don't like the music on its own ,and with Karl's voice added, it makes me sad
4/10

4. Beautiful Burnout- Pig & Dan Remix - Typical PnD glitchy and dark remix, a la the RiverRun tracks. Full of menace,perfect for subterranean dancing 7/10

5. Beautiful Burnout - Mark Knight remix - this grew on me a lot since it came out last autumn. Different enough without being disconcerting. Especially appreciate the middle section that retains the chilling pads from the original. 8/10

6. Ring Road - AutoKratz Remix - Nice slice of electro. Not crazy about the vocal cutups, and again, only the spare lyrical sample is retained from the original, but unlike the LBL remix of this track, or the Switch remix above, at least i dig the new production. 6/10

7. Ring Road - Kris Menace remix - A slowbuilder, with a great Moroder-esque rolling bassline (shades of Fluke, one of my favorite artists). It keps changing and keeps me hooked. A few more elements of the original than some of the other remixes, but mostly concentrates on the "It's a hot day" portion of the lyrics. This should indeed "tear up the dancefloor". 9/10

8. Holding the Moth - Audiojack remix - nicely incorporates the background chords from the latter part of the original track, really kicks in with a nice bass and "keep it simple" loop at 2 minutes in. Many of the lyrics are retained. Another nice departure without being entirely new. 8/10

So, average score: 7.5/10, (8/10 without Switch's "remix").
A fine collection of various styles. I much prefer this sort of disparate collection of mixes to a single or EP with 5 versions of the same track. Or maybe i;'m biased by the pricetag, which predisposes me to enjoy this! Still, i do.

[negative1]

i bought it for Peach Tree, which i love.

i stand corrected, however, if you had the other releases,
this wasn't anything new either?

later
-1

[BrotherLovesDub]

that's not true. the version of Peach Tree on the Boy Boy Boy single is different to the version on the Croc 12? and RRP. i forget where else it is but this version is slightly different.

[negative1]

that's not at all what i'm saying. i know you've got a shit ton of UW stuff. i know you're a collector too. i also know that you've been unhappy with nearly everything UW have done for the last few years and since you've previously been someone i've felt had similar taste/interests, i'm surprised at how aggressively you've argued against the artistic direction/marketing from Underworld. we're just completely opposed w/r/t the 2005-2008 era.

honestly,
maybe i'm just tired/disappointed/going through the
cyclic thing called music burnout....

i feel that since beaucoup fish, things started going
awry..........all the way through ahdo..

and then the riverun series/concerts/releases woke me up
in what i can only describe as ecstasy..i've only just
gotten in the 'breaking and entering' soundtrack, all
the riverrun vinyls, and promos etc....

now thats exciting....and then to have owb come out,
and reverse that trend, and go back to who knows what
is all very surprising, and discouraging,(including most of the
2007-and early 2008 concerts).....especially when it seems,
via their radio shows, free releases, book of jams (etc)
[for rationale, see above posts]...are still so vibrant,
and full of promise...

i need to step back, take a deep breath, and calm down...
it's only music right?

anyways, i'm much happier now, working on several preservation
projects....and hoping for the best for the next new phase
of underworld material..

***THIS MESSAGE was brought to you medication free****

later
-1

[TheBang]

that's not true. the version of Peach Tree on the Boy Boy Boy single is different to the version on the Croc 12? and RRP. i forget where else it is but this version is slightly different.

That's it for the studio versions. Croc and RRP versions are the same. BBB version is unique.

[potatobroth]

I could easily agree with you, -1, on the AHDO sentiment. But OWB is an amazing album with some really great moments that rank up there with STiTI and Dubno. It's at this moment you lose me, and I suspect a great number of dirts, in your cruscade to point out what you think is bad with all the current creations.

[dubman]

i kinda agree with -1 on moodier days... when i dont feel that we should be grateful that underworld are still making good albums when we should be wondering why theyre not making great albums. their experimentation with riverrun and jam books doesnt carry over on proper album releases, and i wonder if it's that old veteran professionalism that has rigid beliefs about what an album means or if it's just plain cowardice. they've shown that they still have a wide range of modes and abilities with the internet albums that no one but us would pay attention to, so why pull out and get cinematic (and rather irrelevant to the rest of electronic music) and hyper-polished when it's supposed to be the world listening? their print output is also the richest and most accomplished of their career (even if i miss that rawness and deceptive disconnect that's actually inextricable from their music), it seems odd that its translation into the music seems diluted, or at least strained in relationship.

you might think i'd hate OWB but i dont. it's a beautiful album with wonderfully weird flaws that i keep coming back to, but i'm starting to learn finally that my favorite artists from 10 years ago arent beating the odds. their approach doesnt get better with time just by changing things up. the more advanced in years they get the more of a struggle it is for them to produce the down-to-the-marrow-excitement that made me shake and explode. granted, their longevity is unparralled compared to others, and maybe after 10 straight years it's not fair to expect more dimensions and surprises that i've already been given by them, but i'm feeling a big disconnect that doesnt make sense between the effort they put in their work and the overall quality of the output.

[mmm skyscraper]

But it must suck to realise you can release everything you've ever done on a torrent that could be downloaded in a couple of hours on broadband. Or that you can play whatever you want on a webcast. I think this would make deciding what to put on an album very difficult.

[Sean]

the remixes may not be everyone's cup of tea, but this is the 2000's not the 90's and remixers, and club sounds have moved on. Steve Hall has picked a good choice of 'up and coming' and different remixers for this set and well they work (in parts). You make a lot of good points, but this is not one of them. ;)

I'm fine with music progressing as time passes, but I personally feel that the progression should be in a positive direction. Quite frankly, the recent remixes of Underworld material strike me as lazily executed with little to no inspiration or innovation. That's not me wishing it was the nineties...that's me wishing I was hearing something even better than what's been done before.

I'm not going to say i like all the remixes, but play them loud and in a club and they rock.... how many of you people get out and hear these remixers in clubs? I'm really begining to enjoy all of the Ring Road mixes now... they are MY cup of tea... They may be effective in a loud club, but a huge part of what always drew me to Underworld and the bulk of the remixes done of their work is that it lent itself to club play as well as pure listening pleasure. To eliminate the pure listening pleasure aspect of it all eliminates what made Underworld stand apart in my opinion.

That being said, for me, Underworld's recent original output still maintains all of the goodness I've always loved. But the remixes suck butt.

[jose m]

lets put that down to the remixers shall we? remixes are generally promotional tools aimed at people that are going out dancing in clubs today.

re "getting that feeling that i first had when i heard underworld".... i feel the same about bob dylan,david bowie,detroit techno,thai food,cars,fashion.i don't mean this as a dig at anyone but its part of growing up/getting old.some people manage to maintain a "as fresh as the first time" outlook on life but its not the norm.we all have our "golden years" and for some people out there owb has been released during them and will be the best underworld album ever.christ i know people that love "tin machine" and who am i to tell them its shit.
enjoy the music,if you don't, listen to something else.i'm sure that rick and karl enjoy what they are doing and thats why they do it, they're not looking to remake "rez" or compete with ed banger so why expect them to? if they're musical journey isn't going down the path you like then don't follow and just remember the "goodtimes".surely thats better than getting bitter and twisted about it and turning here into a place of negitivity and disappointment.
thousands and thousands of people will be seeing underworld play live over the next weekend,singing along,reliving the past,enjoying the present,having a great time with no thought to any of this.i'm sure thats what rick and karl dreamt of when starting underworld not just keeping us hardcore nerds happy.

[big screen satellite]

...not just keeping us hardcore nerds happy.

speak for yourself ;)

[jose m]

i mean it in the nicest possible way:)

[kontakt1968]

HI
cant find any trace of the bells the bells on the uw site does anyone know if itll be released there or is it hmv import for those of us in the u.k?

[mondokat]

HI
cant find any trace of the bells the bells on the uw site does anyone know if itll be released there or is it hmv import for those of us in the u.k?

I keep looking for something new in the digital store and being disappointed. :( Us U.S.A. folks are really over a barrel here...

[potatobroth]

i kinda agree with -1 on moodier days... when i dont feel that we should be grateful that underworld are still making good albums when we should be wondering why theyre not making great albums. their experimentation with riverrun and jam books doesnt carry over on proper album releases..

What then for those of us who feel that the RiverRuns feel unfinished and snipped? I feel OWB finished off a good deal of what RR has started and I love it.

[Flywaver]

Maybe then with all this moaning about remixes then can we have Underworld remixing other bands again...:)
Now that U2 mofo mix........:cool:

[potatobroth]

as for UW remixing other artists, I never cared for them either. what I love are the UW remixes and b-sides of their own work. I find that most other djs, producers, what-have-you never put close to the amount of thought or detail that UW puts into their own tracks. why would I want to listen to a UW track that has been simplified and 'dancified' with generic sounds?

[Cadevil]

as for UW remixing other artists, I never cared for them either. what I love are the UW remixes and b-sides of their own work. I find that most other djs, producers, what-have-you never put close to the amount of thought or detail that UW puts into their own tracks. why would I want to listen to a UW track that has been simplified and 'dancified' with generic sounds?
I whole-heartedly agree. When UW mix their own tracks...a entirely new song is born...a la Dark Train, Dirty Guitar, and half the Pearl's Girl EP

[dubman]

christ i know people that love "tin machine" and who am i to tell them its shit.
enjoy the music,if you don't, listen to something else.i'm sure that rick and karl enjoy what they are doing and thats why they do it, they're not looking to remake "rez" or compete with ed banger so why expect them to? if they're musical journey isn't going down the path you like then don't follow and just remember the "goodtimes".surely thats better than getting bitter and twisted about it and turning here into a place of negitivity and disappointment.

this is all crap, if i may say so.
if you're headed somewhere else, thats all fine and dandy, but some disappointment should be expected and i dont think it should be up to the fans to try to shut that down and tell old fans to "just move on." just as there's the din of approval from new or continuing fans, there should be those who see problems without crassly being labeled as wet blankets on some mindless back-patting party. i'll sit back and remember how things were and give up on on their future projects when i think underworld are no longer capable of making spectacular albums again, and thats quite awhile off. the thing about taking a band you really believe in to task (as much as any fan out of millions can) is that you know (or at least feel strongly) that they have it in them to do much better than what you're hearing, and that you just hope that they keep pushing themselves as hard as they seem to be to up the bar next time.

[jose m]

:p:p:p:p:p:p;)

[BrotherLovesDub]

I keep looking for something new in the digital store and being disappointed. :( Us U.S.A. folks are really over a barrel here...

my discs were delivered to the USA on Tuesday....TUUUUUUUUEEEEEESSSDAY!

[big screen satellite]

my discs were delivered to the USA on Tuesday....TUUUUUUUUEEEEEESSSDAY!


yes but were they delivered by Underworld?

come on BLD unless they are 'special' delivered they are worthless - send them back....

[mark3]

Anyone got some more info on this release?

http://www.smash-uk.com/frf08/news.php?id=30

"FUJIROCKERS"- THE HISTORY OF THE FUJI ROCK FESTIVAL

The double disk documentary DVDs of 11 year history of Fuji Rock Festival including artist performance will be released on July 23.

Release date: July 23, 2008
Product ID: IEBP-10018-19
Price: ¥5,250 (¥5,000 without tax )
DVD spec: DVD dual layer double disk/slip case/special embossed DVD tray/40 page booklet1st Artist announcement

AKAINU / ASIAN DUB FOUNDATION / AUDIO ACTIVE / BACK DROP BOMB / BANDA BASSOTTI / BJORK / BLANKEY JET CITY / BOOM BOOM SATELLITES / BOREDOMS / BRAHMAN / BRIAN ENO & J.PETER SCHWALM?- Drawn From Life / BUFFALO DAUGHTER / CAPTAIN FUNK / THE CHEMICAL BROTHERS / CORNELIUS / CRAZY KEN BAND / THE CURE / DENGEKI NETWORK / DENKI GROOVE / DJ KENTARO / eastern youth / ELVIS COSTELLO / FATBOY SLIM / FRANZ FERDINAND / Fumiya Tanaka / GeorgeClinton?Parliament/Funkadelic / GOMA&JUNGLE RHYTHM SECTION / Guitar Wolf / HAPPY MONDAYS / HARRY HOSONO QUINTETTE / THE HIGH LOWS / Hi-STANDARD / IGGY POP / iLL / IMAWANO KIYOSHIRO / INOUE YOSUI / JOE STRUMMER & THE MESCALEROS / KEMURI / Les Ballets Maliens / MASSIVE ATTACK / MOGWAI / MO'SOME TONEBENDER / NEW ORDER / OASIS / OKUDA TAMIO / Panorama Steel Orchestra / PATTI SMITH / PEALOUT / PHISH / PIXIES / PRIMAL SCREAM / quruli / RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS / THE ROOSTERS / ROVO / SAKE ROCK featuring NIKAIDO KAZUMI / SAMBO MASTER/ SHIBUSASHIRAZU ORCHESTRA / SHING02 / SIGUR ROS / SONIC YOUTH / SOUL FLOWER UNION / Spiritualized / SUPERCAR / ????? / THEE MICHELLE GUN ELEPHANT / TOKYO SKA PARADISE ORCHESTRA / TUCKER / UA / UEHARA HIROMI / UNDERWORLD / V?RE!!!!!!DOMS / THE WHITE STRIPES / YAMASHITA YOSUKE / YURA YURA TEIKOKU �and more artists to be announced!

[lloyd]

thnx for the info
more here http://www.whd.co.jp/special_info/fujirockers_top.php

[m.g.]

Just could buy "The Bells... The Bells..." straight from uwlive website (shop), by credit card and/or PayPal, with a nice receipt from "Smith Hyde Productions"... mmm... very happy about this... the right place to buy it imo :)

[Georg.]

Just could buy "The Bells... The Bells..." straight from uwlive website (shop), by credit card and/or PayPal, with a nice receipt from "Smith Hyde Productions"... mmm... very happy about this... the right place to buy it imo :)



I ordered my copy from Smith Hyde Productions today!!!
:p

Thanks for finally adding this release to the shop....

[Dirty0900]

How long is Parc btw?

[TheBang]

4:17

[Dirty0900]

I was hoping for 7mins+. Unsure if i want to part with £15 for one song. Is it not on Japanese iTunes?

Or could UW not even sell it as a single download for £1 or £2? Id pay that much for it, but im not a mega fan of other peoples remix work.

[big screen satellite]

How long is Parc btw?

Hyde Park is quite big, but not as big as Central Park which is 2.6 miles long

[TheBang]

Is it not on Japanese iTunes?
It is on JP iTunes.

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=284575874&s=143462

[BufoBufo]

Cokemachineglow have given Parc the once-over:

http://www.cokemachineglow.com/track_review/3772/underworld-parc-2008

[mondokat]

so, what region would the "the bells the bells" dvd be in? I'm an american, are we getting screwed here?

[TheBang]

It's All-Region and NTSC, so you're good to go.

[BrotherLovesDub]

I'm an american, are we getting screwed here?

yes we are. but it's not underworld that's screwing us.

[TomTom]

I also just ordered the "The bells the bells" CD on Underworld live.com..nice new addition. Sadly i fooked things up and it is now supposed to be sent to the UK instead of Germany. :eek: I hope their customer service is responsive. :p

[mondokat]

It's All-Region and NTSC, so you're good to go.

it'd be nice if they mentioned that somewhere in the digital store.

But thanks for the response. Now if I can talk the moolah out of my wife... ;)

[TheBang]

So, I mentioned earlier that there were problems with the DVD. The technical issues really ruin this release for me. Somehow there seems to have been absolutely no QA before the DVD went out the door.

1. Boy, Boy, Boy's audio channels are skewed for the first 45 seconds or so. It begins almost completely in the left channel and gradually moves to the center. This is not how it's supposed to be because if you watch the stream on uwlive.com or various other sources for the video, it doesn't do this. I can't even fathom how this problem happened in the first place or how it got past a simple headphone check.

2. The fancy graphical Ring Road video (Graham Wood's) is composed for 16:9, but it's presented on the disc as 4:3 letterbox instead of anamorphically enhanced. All the other widescreen videos on the disc are anamorphically enhanced. A shame.

3. Beautiful Burnout at the Oblivion Ball is perhaps the most disappointing. The audio track during the whole video is out of sync by about a half second. This is most apparent when Karl is singing lyrics and the camera is focused on a close-up of him. It is a bit apparent at other times too with light synchronization and Karl's dance movements. Also:

4. The aspect ratio on BB is all messed up! WTF! It's essentially been authored for a 16:10 display, which is not a valid flag in DVD Video. It's displayed at 16:9, of course, so everything looks vertically squished. Bad aspect ratios are a major pet peeve of mine, so between that and the audio sync issue, this video was hugely aggravating.

5. Of minor note is the fact that they edited out the video footage of all 3 botched lyrical entrances by Karl and the lighting crew. That was the reason for all the smiling between R+K and Rick's frantic hand waving at the beginning of the video. You can still kind of hear it in the audio track, but it's been mixed down like it was in the CD release. I can understand why they edited it out, but from a personal standpoint, I would have liked to have seen it.

[//\/\/]

Bad aspect ratios are a major pet peeve of mine, so between that and the audio sync issue, this video was hugely aggravating.

shit; i'd better not look at it either - i'd convulse!

[happiness stan]

I also just ordered the "The bells the bells" CD on Underworld live.com..nice new addition. Sadly i fooked things up and it is now supposed to be sent to the UK instead of Germany. :eek: I hope their customer service is responsive. :p


Dammit, I did the same thing (UK instead of Ireland)
I'm assuming there's a customer service mail address on a order confirmation mail? (ordered on my work mail)

Brain not function good today.

[negative1]

So, I mentioned earlier that there were problems with the DVD. The technical issues really ruin this release for me. Somehow there seems to have been absolutely no QA before the DVD went out the door.

issues omitted for brevity


thanks for keeping this up to date,
i had noted the issues also, but not in as much detail...

it looks like we'll have to try some remastering/correcting
to fix them up....sigh..another project...

but at least we can add them onto bootleg babies 2..

later
-1

[Sean]

thanks for keeping this up to date,
i had noted the issues also, but not in as much detail...

it looks like we'll have to try some remastering/correcting
to fix them up....sigh..another project...

but at least we can add them onto bootleg babies 2..

later
-1Ooo - I was actually about to buy the set when I came here and just saw this. Not sure it's worth it if the DVD is riddled with this many basic issues. Dammit. :(

[BrotherLovesDub]

weird. i watched the whole thing and didn't think there were any issues other than the syncing being off on Beautiful Burnout.

the 'fans' will never be happy.

[TheBang]

it looks like we'll have to try some remastering/correcting
to fix them up....sigh..another project...

BBB is easy to correct. Fixing BB is not technically difficult either. Ring Road, unfortunately, nothing can be done.

the 'fans' will never be happy.
This has absolutely nothing to do with whether I'm a fan or not and my corresponding level of enjoyment. The product was released with technical defects. Ring Road suffered a 33% loss in resolution. This is like a CD being mastered from MP3's instead of 24/96 masters.

[BrotherLovesDub]

i hear ya. i watched this dvd on my laptop on a 2hr flight and was sufficiently entertained. i'm not discrediting your complaints but my comment was meant to sum up my general feeling of the last year or so of fan comments on this message board. it's been more than 50% negative during a time I happen to think UW are producing the best art/music of their career. I would be very shocked if they can sustain this high quality/quantity output for very long. This should have been the 2nd glory age of Underworld but with all the complaining and moaning done by fans, it's sort of fading away.

[TheBang]

Personally, I'm hoping for a second Riverrun-ish period once this album cycle finishes up.

[m.g.]

Just received this beautiful CD/DVD that I ordered from uwlive website. Didn't notice anything wrong (on the cd or the dvd) very happy to have it... and definitely love the BB remixes, the Crocodile Innervisions Orchestra mix & Ring Road autoKratz remix.

[grady]

Personally, I'm hoping for a second Riverrun-ish period once this album cycle finishes up.
My thoughts exactly. There was something really wonderful going on with Pizza for Eggs and especially I'm a big sister... Hopefully they may return to that format of presentation again.

[gaborez]

my copy arrived yesterday :)
jeez, you could've signed it, karl & ric! ;)

it's a really nice package. weighty cardboard case covered in some fine artwork and a booklet of pics and stuff. i love it when you buy music and you get a nice physical product like this - something that feels a bit spesh. i got the OWB vinyl gatefold too - v nice package inc quality
heavy vinyl. lush.

i like the fact that the boys are releasing stuff that obviously costs more to produce - the nice packaging etc clearly eats into their profits. reminds me of collecting vinyl back in the day when you got summat for your money.

Thankyou Underworld.

obviously i listened to parc over and over for ages and dipped into a few of the remixes i hadnt heard. had a quick flip thru the dvd. i hadnt seen the ring road 'hoody' vid - where have i been? it is cool & frequently funny :cool:

i didnt notice any problems with quality on anything but then the sound on my tv is a biiiit naff. i really enjoyed it :) more please.

how about some parc remixes? and a release of the BB 'what dog' remix which is absofookinlutely blindin' :)

[negative1]

My thoughts exactly. There was something really wonderful going on with Pizza for Eggs and especially I'm a big sister... Hopefully they may return to that format of presentation again.


from what karl spoke about, due to the touring and activity they
have going on now, they will possibly be going back to that format
eventually....... however, they need to finish that up before taking
a break...and then they'll see what happens..

there is literally a ton of unreleased material (we knew that), that
they would like to have organised and released....however, they
don't want to overload people either..

later
-1

[mmm skyscraper]

also we'll probably get some new stuff on the Sept 10 broadcast

[spacejunk]

Has anyone received their CD copy from the UWlive site yet? And if so what was the turnaround time to get it? Been over 3 weeks since I ordered and haven't got it yet.

Cheers

[grady]

from what karl spoke about, due to the touring and activity they
have going on now, they will possibly be going back to that format
eventually....... however, they need to finish that up before taking
a break...and then they'll see what happens..

there is literally a ton of unreleased material (we knew that), that
they would like to have organised and released....however, they
don't want to overload people either..

later
-1
Guess that leaves it up to the decision of going through another album cycle or smaller projects with faster turn around that are released online but may not have the larger reach that an album proper would have, even though the business models and plans of release for albums are changing due to the current climate of the recording industry.

The amount of unreleased material makes one wonder if they would not want to over saturate people as well as devalue the material. Seems the radio shows are the current channel for these ideas and otherwise unused pieces of material to be displayed.

[m.g.]

Has anyone received their CD copy from the UWlive site yet? And if so what was the turnaround time to get it? Been over 3 weeks since I ordered and haven't got it yet.

CheersRead post #153 of this thread... :rolleyes: I received it about 20 days after ordering it...

[happiness stan]

Got mine today, ordered on the weekend of 19th/20th July.
It's a nice looking set.

Cricket off! The Bells! on.

[TomTom]

Mine was in the postbox when I returned from Holidays. I have watched the DVD so far but would have loved to see more live footage. I will wait to listen to the CD properly this weekend.