[stats] -> _updated_live_stats_040408_

[negative1]

i'm in the process of updating
the stats for the live shows..

so i'm posting this here...

will be updating shortly..

in the meantime, here are
the partial 2007 stats..

i will have 2007 stats/2008 stats/
and a combined version as they
are technically all part of the OWB tour...



later
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[negative1]

2008 gig stats :up to 4/08/2008


Title: Frequency:
-----------------------------------
air towel 2
aquafunk 1
back in the fears 1
bamboo 4
banstyle 3
Beautiful burnout 12
best magmu ever 1
billy goat 2
borialis 1
born slippy 2
born slippy.nuxx 12
can you feel this bass 3
confusion the waitress 3
Crocodile 12
darc 2
Dirty Epic 2
everybody jack 2
five ft five 1
glam bucket 5
holding the moth 1
Juanita 5
Jumbo 10
King of snake 11
kittens 2
lenny penne 2
little speaker 2
MMM Skyscraper 3
Mo Move 1
Moaner 6
mowed path 1
nu Train 2
peach tree 2
pearls girl 5
push upstairs 4
rez/cowgirl 5
Rowla 3
Spikee 4
spoonman 6
twist 1
two months off 12
You Do Scribble 4




Title: Frequency:
aquafunk 1
back in the fears 1
best magmu ever 1
borialis 1
five ft five 1
holding the moth 1
Mo Move 1
mowed path 1
twist 1
air towel 2
billy goat 2
darc 2
Dirty Epic 2
everybody jack 2
kittens 2
lenny penne 2
little speaker 2
nu Train 2
peach tree 2
born slippy 2
banstyle 3
can you feel this bass 3
confusion the waitress 3
MMM Skyscraper 3
Rowla 3
bamboo 4
push upstairs 4
Spikee 4
You Do Scribble 4
glam bucket 5
Juanita 5
pearls girl 5
rez/cowgirl 5
Moaner 6
spoonman 6
Jumbo 10
King of snake 11
Beautiful burnout 12
born slippy.nuxx 12
Crocodile 12
two months off 12



Song # Probability
glam bucket 5 42%
Juanita 5 42%
pearls girl 5 42%
rez/cowgirl 5 42%
spoonman 6 50%
Moaner 6 50%
Jumbo 10 83%
King of snake 11 92%
born slippy.nuxx 12 100%
Beautiful burnout 12 100%
Crocodile 12 100%
two months off 12 100%


total songs played 174
individual songs 42
gigs 12
played various tracks

avg songs per concert 14
shortest concert 12
longest concert 16
*NOTE IMPROVS not incld

concert stats
Top 8 tracks 50-100
Leaves 6 tracks to vary

2007 gig stats: up to 11/24/07
----------------------------------
total songs 263
individual songs 29
gigs 22


Title: Frequency:
bamboo 3
Beautiful burnout 21
born slippy.nuxx 22
boy boy boy 3
can you feel this bass 6
Crocodile 22
dark and long 1
Dirty Epic 3
five ft five 2
glam bucket 14
JAL to tokyo 1
Juanita 2
Jumbo 22
King of snake 21
kittens 5
Luetin 3
MMM Skyscraper 5
Mo Move 5
Moaner 15
nu Train 9
pearls girl 13
push upstairs 6
rez/cowgirl 20
Rowla 9
shake that higher 4
small conker/twix 3
Spikee 3
two months off 22
You Do Scribble 4



Title: Frequency:
dark and long 1
JAL to tokyo 1
five ft five 2
Juanita 2
boy boy boy 3
small conker/twix 3
bamboo 3
Dirty Epic 3
Luetin 3
Spikee 3
shake that higher 4
You Do Scribble 4
MMM Skyscraper 5
kittens 5
Mo Move 5
can you feel this bass 6
push upstairs 6
Rowla 9
nu Train 9
pearls girl 13
glam bucket 14
Moaner 15
rez/cowgirl 20
Beautiful burnout 21
King of snake 21
born slippy.nuxx 22
Crocodile 22
Jumbo 22
two months off 22



Song # Probability
nu Train 9 41%
pearls girl 13 59%
glam bucket 14 64%
Moaner 15 68%
rez/cowgirl 20 88%
Beautiful burnout 21 94%
King of snake 21 94%
born slippy.nuxx 22 100%
Crocodile 22 100%
Jumbo 22 100%
two months off 22 100%


So there's a high likelihood for at least 6 songs,
which means the other 5-6 are more random.

*NOTE: of course statistics don't tell the whole picture,
and nothing is really 100% guaranteed...

** NOTE : of course, i'm sure once we get to the
latter european, and asian tours, the statistics
will be highly skewed..

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[BrotherLovesDub]

when was the last time Glam Bucket was played? seems like that has been left off the setlist since Rick came out of the hospital.

[dubman]

youve got crocodile listed as 17 in the first one and 18 in the second...

cant believe they played TMO all 18 gigs.

[potatobroth]

same for KoS which is listed as 17 and 18

[TheBang]

when was the last time Glam Bucket was played? seems like that has been left off the setlist since Rick came out of the hospital.
It opened Rotterdam, and was also played at Roundhouse 3. Oh, and if we're talking since the hospital, it was played at all 3 Japan shows.

cant believe they played TMO all 18 gigs.
Well, it's the centerpiece of the Inflatables segment, so yeah, it's been played at every show in 2007 and 2008.

[gillenium]

Well, it's the centerpiece of the Inflatables segment, so yeah, it's been played at every show in 2007 and 2008.

I hope it's played at every show from 2008 to 2058. It's like Nuxx now - an integral part of the show.

[bryantm3]

and it's better than nuxx. bring on more TMO.

[dubman]

i think it draaaaaags.

[Flywaver]

You Do Scribble just 2? It was at Norwich and Glasgow. Must of been other places?

[BrotherLovesDub]

i think it draaaaaags.

i agree. i think TMO should be cut off at the break in the middle. it's pointless during the concert to come back into the track after that breakdown. i wish TMO would segue into something else out of that break.

[geoff]

The way I feel about TMO is that it can drag on if you listen to a recording. But when you're actually there it's a totally different story. I mean, I'm not even a huge fan of the album track, but I go mental for it when it's live.

[Dirty0900]

TMO is ace live, they've been messing around with the break down in recent sets to.

[negative1]

ok, ive updated the 2008, and 2007 stats

i'll do a combined version, and fix up the formatting...

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[negative1]

when was the last time Glam Bucket was played? seems like that has been left off the setlist since Rick came out of the hospital.

i have them playing at least 5/12 gigs..

with the last time being:
-----------------------------------------
20-mar-08 cocoon club frankfurt germany

compared to : 14/22 gigs for last year..

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[negative1]

You Do Scribble just 2? It was at Norwich and Glasgow. Must of been other places?

i have it down for : 4/22 gigs last year.

the problem is that improvs aren't being reported
accurately since we don't have access to all the
shows....i'm just going by whats reported in the
forums..

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[negative1]

2008 gig stats :up to 4/08/2008


Title: Frequency:
-----------------------------------
air towel 2
aquafunk 1
back in the fears 1
bamboo 7
banstyle 3
Beautiful burnout 12
best magmu ever 1
billy goat 2
borialis 1
born slippy 3
born slippy.nuxx 32
boy boy boy 3
can you feel this bass 9
confusion the waitress 3
Crocodile 34
darc 2
dark and long 1
Dirty Epic 5
everybody jack 2
five ft five 3
glam bucket 19
holding the moth 1
JAL to tokyo 1
Juanita 7
Jumbo 32
King of snake 33
kittens 7
lenny penne 2
little speaker 2
Luetin 3
MMM Skyscraper 8
Mo Move 6
Moaner 21
mowed path 1
nu Train 11
peach tree 2
pearls girl 18
push upstairs 10
rez/cowgirl 25
Rowla 12
shake that higher 4
small conker/twix 3
Spikee 7
spoonman 6
twist 1
two months off 34
You Do Scribble 8





Title: Frequency:
aquafunk 1
back in the fears 1
best magmu ever 1
borialis 1
dark and long 1
holding the moth 1
JAL to tokyo 1
mowed path 1
twist 1
air towel 2
billy goat 2
darc 2
everybody jack 2
lenny penne 2
little speaker 2
peach tree 2
banstyle 3
born slippy 3
boy boy boy 3
confusion the waitress 3
five ft five 3
Luetin 3
small conker/twix 3
shake that higher 4
Dirty Epic 5
Mo Move 6
spoonman 6
bamboo 7
Juanita 7
kittens 7
Spikee 7
MMM Skyscraper 8
You Do Scribble 8
can you feel this bass 9
push upstairs 10
nu Train 11
Beautiful burnout 12
Rowla 12
pearls girl 18
glam bucket 19
Moaner 21
rez/cowgirl 25
born slippy.nuxx 32
Jumbo 32
King of snake 33
Crocodile 34
two months off 34




MMM Skyscraper 8 24%
You Do Scribble 8 24%
can you feel this bass 9 27%
push upstairs 10 29%
nu Train 11 32%
Beautiful burnout 12 35%
Rowla 12 35%
pearls girl 18 53%
glam bucket 19 56%
Moaner 21 62%
rez/cowgirl 25 73%
born slippy.nuxx 32 94%
Jumbo 32 94%
King of snake 33 97%
Crocodile 34 100%
two months off 34 100%



total songs 2007 263
individual songs 29
gigs 22

total songs 2008 174
individual songs 42
gigs 12


Combined
total songs 437
individual songs 47
gigs 34


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[TheBang]

Raj, any chance of listing the list of gigs that the stats are drawn on for each year, so we know which ones aren't included and where we need to look for more info or corrections, etc.?

[Vectorman0]

I find it interesting how Spoonman was not played once in 07, but it has been played 6 times so far in 08. I really hope they continue to play it.

Did any other songs get this, or the opposite treatment?

[TheBang]

Well, in late 2007 there were some complaints on this board about how the setlists and selection of songs were becoming rather predictable and were kind of a Greatest Hits type show. In response, Underworld dusted off the archives and rarities and performed them on the Underworld vs. The Misterons radio show (read that thread for more info).

That appears to have a proving ground for the 2008 live shows, as many of the songs performed there made their way into regular rotation, most notably Spoonman and Cherry Pie. To a lesser extent Born Slippy, Peach Tree, Oich Oich, and Little Speaker also began making appearances. They've also pulled out some other rarities too like Confusion the Waitress, Darc, Banstyle, etc.

As you can see from -1's stats, some of the mainstays from 2007 got kicked down to make room for the new songs. Jumbo got kicked out of encore spot for every show. Rez/Cowgirl is played less. Moaner is played less. This isn't reflected in the stats, but if you listen to the recordings, NUXX is being shortened up in 2008, having 3-4 minutes chopped off either the front or the end, to make more time for other songs.

All in all, I think it's been a good adjustment for the 2008 shows. Each show gets at least 2-3 rare songs for the die-hards, and the setlist orders are much less predictable. Casual fans still get to hear NUXX and other hits like Two Months Off.

[gillenium]

They've definitely become an efficient crowd-pleasing machine. :)

[Vectorman0]

Well, in late 2007 there were some complaints on this board about how the setlists and selection of songs were becoming rather predictable and were kind of a Greatest Hits type show. In response, Underworld dusted off the archives and rarities and performed them on the Underworld vs. The Misterons radio show (read that thread for more info).

That appears to have a proving ground for the 2008 live shows, as many of the songs performed there made their way into regular rotation, most notably Spoonman and Cherry Pie. To a lesser extent Born Slippy, Peach Tree, Oich Oich, and Little Speaker also began making appearances. They've also pulled out some other rarities too like Confusion the Waitress, Darc, Banstyle, etc.

As you can see from -1's stats, some of the mainstays from 2007 got kicked down to make room for the new songs. Jumbo got kicked out of encore spot for every show. Rez/Cowgirl is played less. Moaner is played less. This isn't reflected in the stats, but if you listen to the recordings, NUXX is being shortened up in 2008, having 3-4 minutes chopped off either the front or the end, to make more time for other songs.

All in all, I think it's been a good adjustment for the 2008 shows. Each show gets at least 2-3 rare songs for the die-hards, and the setlist orders are much less predictable. Casual fans still get to hear NUXX and other hits like Two Months Off.

I remember those discussions. I guess didn't realize Underworld was actively addressing it. I loved the vs. Misterons Live Jam along with everyone else. It is great to see Underworld listening to us and trying to please as many fans a possible.

[TheBang]

I forgot to mention that with all the festival shows coming up, I'd imagine those shows will go back to more of a greatest hits format, like we saw at Ultra Music Festival, due to the shorter show times and the broader crowds.

[negative1]

Raj, any chance of listing the list of gigs that the stats are drawn on for each year, so we know which ones aren't included and where we need to look for more info or corrections, etc.?


here's the post of missing sets:
http://www.darktrain.org/dirty/forums/showthread.php?t=7353&page=2

i don't have a setlist for this though:
8-feb-08 electronic beats festival bratislava slovakia

and i'll be looking for these:
========================
3-apr-08 arena santiago santiago chile
5-apr-08 southfest buenos aires argentina


and the ms excel spreadsheets are here:
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http://rapidshare.com/files/105813886/uwLive-stats2008.rar.html

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[negative1]

i still find it hard to believe these forums had anything to do with changes
made to the live shows..

statistically, has there really been much of a change? if you look at the
combined 2007-2008 stats, overall, most of the same songs are there.

yes, i know for 2008, it seems really different though..

anyway,i'll post a more detailed analysis soon..

later
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[negative1]

I find it interesting how Spoonman was not played once in 07, but it has been played 6 times so far in 08. I really hope they continue to play it.

Did any other songs get this, or the opposite treatment?


more statistics about this songs, and a lot more than you would
probably ever want to know....coming soon..

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[Dirty0900]

i still find it hard to believe these forums had anything to do with changes
made to the live shows..



Naa, i think some fan response did change the sets a little bit. There was a lovely bitching on thread about how bored people saw the sets and the lack of mixing/improvs between sets, especially in 07 compared to ten years ago. I think the Misterons mix popped up randomly and it wasn't a normal radio show at all. No talking at all hardly, just a big mix with some rare things shoved in, such as Cherry Pie, Peach Tree, Spoonman, Oich Oich. All songs that have pretty much made an appearance in this years set. We know that UW read this forum so, im sure our suggestions would only help them a little. Would it piss them off? No, not really i think, anything to get a crowd going seems to get them going more.

[negative1]

Naa, i think some fan response did change the sets a little bit. There was a lovely bitching on thread about how bored people saw the sets and the lack of mixing/improvs between sets, especially in 07 compared to ten years ago. I think the Misterons mix popped up randomly and it wasn't a normal radio show at all. No talking at all hardly, just a big mix with some rare things shoved in, such as Cherry Pie, Peach Tree, Spoonman, Oich Oich. All songs that have pretty much made an appearance in this years set. We know that UW read this forum so, im sure our suggestions would only help them a little. Would it piss them off? No, not really i think, anything to get a crowd going seems to get them going more.

funny thing is,i saw them twice last year, and wasn't impressed at
all (had seen them 4 times before that), and i actually started a
thread with a complaint about their live sets being plain.!!!!!!

i know they went through the same phase/problems on
the 2nd beaucoup fish tour, and most of the adho tour..

although the incredible tours that went on through the riverrun
series, (which i missed), were probably the turning point..

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[potatobroth]

i still find it hard to believe these forums had anything to do with changes
made to the live shows.

Whats hard to believe? For a stretch (and before the multitude of posts regarding stagnant setlists) everything was predictable. After a good number of posts questioning why every show had to be the same, the shows changed. Does this HAVE to be the reason? No, no it doesn't. But is there a good chance that the posts factored in? Of course.

This current tour (pre cancelled shows) was heading right down the predictability route. Thats when all the threads started popping up and the eventual change happened. This recent leg, starting after the cancelled Roundhouse show has had me guessing with each song. NUXX in the 3-slot? Darc? Cherry Pie? Juanita? Its so unpredictable right now and that makes for some good live fun!

[gillenium]

It isn't hard to believe at ALL. In fact, I think it's hard not to believe that these forums have had an impact on Underworld's shows. Think of all the different requests they've fulfilled from the members here... Karl has commented on forum posts several times. They are very aware of our discussions.

[negative1]

i agree that this forum does have some impact,
and that they look at it and read it (and even reply sometimes)

but to go from having a tour, fixed setlists, etc...and to
a more freeform style, playing 'requests', etc....i guess
i'll have to go see them again to believe it..

(and i did think about going to atlanta, but didn't!!)
maybe its sour grapes/cynicism on my part..

later
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[potatobroth]

i agree that this forum does have some impact,
and that they look at it and read it (and even reply sometimes)

but to go from having a tour, fixed setlists, etc...and to
a more freeform style, playing 'requests', etc....i guess
i'll have to go see them again to believe it..

Just read the setlist to Atlanta, HMH, and a few others and you'll quickly realize that there is very little overlap outside the 6 staples. Even the segues are quite distinct; the NUXX intro was ridiculously awesome and I've yet to hear that version or the HMH version of NUXX since.

[TheBang]

Let this put to rest any doubt that they take feedback from our forums. Thanks to holden for finding this interview with Karl, conducted on Mar. 27, which has this germane nugget:

VF: What can people expect from your live show this year?
KH: “It will, as ever, be very improvised. The visuals, the lights, everything is improvised. We’ve really had a complete new regeneration since Rick’s illness from last year and have new ways of playing. From what I gather from the internet forums a whole new level of energy is coming off the stage. I can feel it on-stage, but you never know how far that transcends. It’s good to hear that that energy is universal. So there is that and also the new tunes and some quite radical re-workings of familiar anthems too.”