Tonite's broadcast - London Part 2 Oct 18

[mondokat]

Who is the opening band? They rock...

[mondokat]

Haha, they closed with a graphic saying their band name was "Errors". Nice. If I had waited another 5 seconds....

[taoyoyo]

Errors weren't really my cup of tea but looking forward to seeing the boys in just over 20 minutes!

[BrotherLovesDub]

i've got my fanboy outfit on. this should be good!

[taoyoyo]

enjoying this dub though...

[//\/\/]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaa'ight

[mondokat]

I wonder if Karl washed that shirt...

[the real stuff]

what a great version of skyscraper :) I'm so glad I skipped class for this

[stargurl]

We're watching but it's coming in pretty choppy over here :(

[mondokat]

that was an awesome intro to croc....

[dubman]

dammit!
i missed skyscraper!
oh well tuning in now

[dubman]

PUUURRRRRRLLLLLSSSSSGRRRRLLLLLL

[mmm skyscraper]

c------r---------------a----------------z-----y

[mondokat]

Now, how are we supposed to read that? J/k :)

[mmm skyscraper]

Now, how are we supposed to read that? J/k :)

the same way you read the back inlay of the anthology cd.

[jrmint]

visuals are class too!

[//\/\/]

well, that's another £15 going to be spent...

[dubman]

DAMN
I LOVE THE TEXT.
\shake that higher now
beautiful burnout

[jrmint]

beautiful goosebumps

[luminary]

I love this band

:)

[dubnobasswithme]

beautiful goosebumps

seriously.

this song is just SO good both on the cd and live.

[['__']]

Oh man! I need those beautiful burnout goosebumps again! LA and NY werent enough, come back to America UW!! Uh oh everythingeverythingeverything.......

[jrmint]

just a hint: i hooked up the stream to an old tv, the picture seems to be so much better due to the pixel blur from digital to analog..

btw: excellent broadcasting mr. simon taylor!

[dubman]

cowgirl

trying to grab screenshots of the thing. relly doesnt do it justice of any kind.
simon taylor is doing a huge job directing this thing live.

[joethelion]

funny as hell intro to Cowgirl

and the quality of the video, like the actual shots
look so good, that this really does deserve to be released as a dvd

like it doesn't 'feel' like a webstream of a concert
or even a tv broadcast


know what I mean

[mondokat]

Why do they have to do such a good job when they know I can't afford all those live cd's?

[cacophony]

audience seems more pepped up tonight than last night.

[mmm skyscraper]

know what I mean

an electric stream

[Sean]

Why do they have to do such a good job when they know I can't afford all those live cd's?I'm still on the fence about whether I should buy all six or not. I need shutters for my house. :(

[stauff]

Ok, is it unhealthy that I came to work at 6:30am so I could watch the rest of this without interruption? :)

- Matthew

(edit: am that is)

[dubman]

i need to... eat.

glam bucket. mmmm.
havent heard this live since SF

[mondokat]

Go ahead and buy the albums Sean, you're still young and beautiful, right? Let the neighbors see in. ;)

[//\/\/]

that's one of the best cowgirl/rez's i've ever heard - damn me for going last night!!!

[mondokat]

What is this song?

[stauff]

What is this song?

Glam bucket, from OWB

[mondokat]

Gotcha, haven't bought my OWB yet. I need this song though so I can hear it a bazillion times in a row, though. It's Karl's Slash imitation. ;)

[cacophony]

jesus, glam bucket is hot.

[patrick]

WOW! this glam bucket live is fantastic... karl is ripping it up

[The359]

That Glam Bucket was excellent!

[mondokat]

I thought the Los Angeles version was better. Karl was putting way more energy into it. It rocked! So glad I went to that show.

[cacophony]

:rolleyes:

[dubman]

can you feel this bass going into TMO

are inflatables coming?

[stauff]

I'm loving the visual direction on these broadcasts.. especially space invaders ;)

Mad props to the tomato crew.

[Sean]

I didn't have OWB at the time of the LA show, so I didn't know Glam Bucket when they played it. This version just now was fantastic though.

Time to go to my mother-f@*#ing-son-of-a-b*$@h 2pm meeting now. Crap. :mad:

[the real stuff]

I am absolutely loving this

it's stunning.

you bring light in

[lloyd]

I'm loving the visual direction on these broadcasts.. especially space invaders ;)

Mad props to the tomato crew.

And roundhouse youth project kids (says aNt)

First time for them.

[the real stuff]

holy kittens

[luminary]

yay kittens

[The359]

Nice alternative to following Two Months Off with Rowla.

[dubnobasswithme]

before kittens started just now, did anyone else think that they were going to go into 'dirty epic' there?

i think they did the same sort of thing before 'nuxx' yesterday...

[dubman]

KITTTTTNS

[negative1]

just collecting stats...
coming up?

beautiful burnout..
pearls girls
nuxx (duh)..
------------
encore : jumbo

let's see if it holds up..
-1

[//\/\/]

lager song, my guess...

[luminary]

just collecting stats...
coming up?

beautiful burnout..
pearls girls
nuxx (duh)..
------------
encore : jumbo

let's see if it holds up..
-1
BB and PG have already been played

needs more KOS and Moaner

[jrmint]

that effect with the illuminating inflatables is massive!

go home daft punk pyramide.. ;-)

[dubman]

oh man do we need dirty epic.
after this it would be so friggin great.

[['__']]

Oh god oh god KITTENSSSSS. Incredible. Just incredible.

[The359]

Annnnnnnd MOANER

[luminary]

ok, now I am really excited

:D

[negative1]

BB and PG have already been played

needs more KOS and Moaner

*magic underworld 8 ball says* the odds of moaner being
played lately are pretty good...same for king of snake..

7 of the last 8 shows...

later
-1

[dubnobasswithme]

Annnnnnnd MOANER

that's changing the tracklisting around!

[negative1]

....must learn to type faster..

stupid work firewall..can't watch it here....
-1

[Jan]

They still have 40 minutes, don't they?
Now Moaner?

[luminary]

They still have 40 minutes, don't they?
Now Moaner?
it just means that the rest of the show had to be even bigger and better

[grady]

Is it nuxx or KOS next is the question.

[cacophony]

they seem more "on" tonight than last night.

[the real stuff]

I'm totally buying the hell out of this one.

[cacophony]

I'm totally buying the hell out of this one.

hells yes.

[//\/\/]

nuxx it is...

[dubman]

mmmifeellllllikeabitonuxxxplz

[Jan]

I'm totally buying the hell out of this one.
hey, that's what I thought! :D

[grady]

the version of beautiful burnout was pretty amazing. They seem to be more on tonight and the editing and shot structure of the show is more in tune to the music, like Simon Taylor has a better feel for the setup tonight.

[maedi]

that sounds good right now - expecting something great :-)

[maedi]

it's about time for a glorious new live DVD

[dubman]

lemme guess... king of snake

[The359]

KoS it is.

[['__']]

Kittens to Moaner to NUXX to King of Snake Oh my god. Now I have to buy buy buy this.

[stauff]

into...another song about drinking! :)

[Cadevil]

Set list?

[//\/\/]

into...another song about drinking! :)


cheers - mine's a pint!

[the real stuff]

drink, drink, drink - and you go ping

[grady]

So what do they go out on tonight, jumbo, or ?, or will there be a come down track?

[lloyd]

Mmm, Skyscraper I love you
Improv (Javelin Boy according to aNt)
Crocodile
Pearl's Girl
Shake that higher
Beautiful Burnout
Cowgirl / Rez / Cowgirl / Rez
Glam Bucket into
Can you feel this Bass
Two Months Off
Kittens
Moaner
Born Slippy.NUXX
KoS

Encore:
Jumbo

[dubman]

please not jumbo please not jumbo please dirty epic please not jumbo

[grady]

please not jumbo please not jumbo please dirty epic please not jumbo

I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW!!!!

Even Luetin, but if you're gonna do jumbo, do the improv into.

[cacophony]

^ you're nuts. jumbo is loverly.

[dubman]

awwww internet love
okay fine do jumbo

[Butcher of Bakersfield]

oh snap, Darren denied Rich the arm around the shoulder thing. thats cold.

this just isn't the same without the crying asian kid in the Joy Division t-shirt.

[The359]

Hah, what was Rick doing back there?

[grady]

jumbo is lovely, but switch it up a bit. I love the track too, but we hear it quite often.

[the real stuff]

I never really got into Jumbo until hearing it live in NY.

it's a fantastic encore, even if they seem to do it every show.

(yeah, Luetin would have been better!)

[stauff]

Mmm.. I know it's played a lot, but jumbo is in my all-time-top-5-underworld tracks. It's .. brilliant. Doesn't seem to matter how many times I listen to it.

Lovely.

[grady]

I like jumbo more as a closer than moaner. I just want to see something else since we've got this beautiful webcast going, but I digress, I still love the floatly feel of this track.

[DaddyAdv]

ROUNDHOUSE PART 2

Poem about Soho ("memories of dogboy")
Mmm, Skyscraper I love you
Improv (Javelin Boy according to aNt)
Crocodile
Pearl's Girl
Shake that higher
Beautiful Burnout
Cowgirl/Rez/Cowgirl/Rez
Glam Bucket into
Can you feel this Bass
Two Months Off
Kittens
Moaner
Born Slippy.NUXX
King of Snake
Jumbo (encore)


This set was absolutely impressive. Great fluid mixing in the first hour.
Crazy Rez/Cow. Massive Kittens!

[The359]

One more song, any song, is good enough for me.

[//\/\/]

hats off to them for doing this sort of thing - fucking first class service!

[irishboy]

they rocked!! fuckin' awesome :D

[['__']]

Thank you Underworld. This is why they are my favorite band/group. Doing stuff like this, mixing up old and new, amazing.

[dubnobasswithme]

again, it really is friggin cool that they put this sort of stuff together. everything from tonights performance was top notch! i'm excited to see what surprises they have in store for the last of the three shows :D

[dubman]

wow wow wow wow
kos was a little dead but other than that... amazing. my poor little G4 kept up nicely too. great sound, great video. warm memory of the visuals/atari stuff.

CANT WAIT TO DO THIS TOMORROW.
get a little dancing on.

it's the third night in the same venue, in all honesty there should be some major changes by now.
maybe some holding the moth, dirty epic, MOMOVE. oh god, did momove kill in SF. to hear a version that devastating again would set me right off.

also, this post is updated: http://darktrain.org/dirty/forums/showthread.php?p=82312#post82312

[the real stuff]

I love this band :D

KoS was a little flat, and I think Karl was out of energy (after Kittens/Moaner/Nuxx!). It was an excellent show, and I loved the Cowgirl/Rez mixup, sounded fresh and wonderful.

oh, and Skyscraper was great! I think it's the best live version I've heard.

[dc_04]

great show.. awesome broadcast!

:D

- dc

[lloyd]

great show!
great setlist
awesome crew working the stream
thnx.

[RandomViolence]

Dammit. I couldn't listen today, and this show sounded massive. I need my CDs now!

[Buji]

Loved it last night, loved it tonight and will no doubt love it tommorow!

Underworld seem to be unstoppable at the moment, plus any one noticed that since they left there major label we are all getting more music like live cd's artwork, live set streams etc it just seems they have the control to do what they want and it's the way forward!


www.myspace.com/buji

[Sean]

this just isn't the same without the crying asian kid in the Joy Division t-shirt.Ah-ha! So someone else DID see him too! :D

[Cadevil]

Well, I thought the version of You do Scribble assured a purchase of the CDs for yesterday's show, but today apparently rocked quite hard. I can really only afford 1 CD from the Roundhouse gigs...I hope tomorrow is the dream set list...

inclusive of:

Glam Bucket
You Do Scribble
Rowla
Dirty Epic
Beautiful Burnout
Bamboo
...and maybe Boy, Boy, Boy as an opener?
(and others please)

[sanakan]

wow wow wow wow
kos was a little dead but other than that...

did you listen to the same stream as me? :S
KoS was awesome as ever!

[taoyoyo]

did you listen to the same stream as me? :S
KoS was awesome as ever!

... i dunno, KoS has run it's course for me too, i was hoping for a 'dirty epic' instead. still an incredible concert... wished i could have been there.

[aaron5000]

Is there a place where the videos are being hosted? I've been at work both days and haven't been able to watch.

[King of Snake]

Me, Janie, Geo and m.g. just got back from the gig and as you've all been able to see, it absolutely rocked!
I wasn't so impressed with yesterdays gig but this was a lot better. Esp the first half was much more fluid and Cowgirl was just crazy.
Here's hoping tomorrow will be even crazier. I really would like to hear some more of OWB live. I think Ring Road would be great, or maybe even Boy Boy Boy (if it's gonna be the next single they should maybe start playing it sometimes :)). Maybe start with Holding The Moth??

[BeautifulBurnout]

Me, Janie, Geo and m.g. just got back from the gig and ...

...like utter geeks that we are, three of us are on our laptops and one is messing with the vids on his cam! :D

Tonight was truly awesome. Best show for me in a long time - even to Cocoon and Lux standard, I would say. Enjoyed myself so much tonight I am still buzzing, still sat here at 2.30am with a grin on my face (even though I have to be awake in 5 hours). Sleep is a long way off yet!

Thank you for a truly memorable evening, UW :)

[holden]

Lovely lovely events!
Thanks, UW, for this 3-night delight!

[m.g.]

Me, Janie, Geo and m.g. just got back from the gig and.... and... a nice bunch of Polish dirts ;) and... this gig was amazing (Darren was even smiling & Rick dancing in the end :)) and... KITTENS!!!!

and... need a bit of sleep to be "prepared" for Roundhouse 3 in a few hours... :cool:

[TheBang]

Tonight's video, by popular demand: cute, furry Kittens!

http://www.aloha.com/~tabanger/underworld/kittenslondon2.mov

If you missed it, I also posted You Do Scribble (http://www.darktrain.org/dirty/forums/showpost.php?p=82471&postcount=72) from the first night.

[idoru]

The broadcast today (or yesterday, seeing as how it's 1:30AM) was solid. The version of Pearl's Girl was brilliant, with the vocal effects (it's nice to see them finally doing more to the tunes again than just re-sequencing them) and the visuals on the stream thanks to 18 year-old Dave Gamble (I think) who was only doing his second broadcast. It was sick. The version of Rez/Cowgirl/Rez/Cowgirl was solid, especially after the little Logic fuck-up at the beginning. FAR better than the first Roundhouse gig, leaving me with high hopes for tomorrow. Kittens destroyed me, and I wasn't even at the gig.

What surprised me the most was that the folk doing the stream were all 14-18 years old. I mean I knew they were going to be using students but I didn't think they were going to be using kids. They've all done a wonderful job, very impressive.
________
Colorado Dispensaries (http://colorado.dispensaries.org/)

[ely]

Got a couple of decent Clips from last night;

Moaner - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erHv253lAFw
Born Slippy.NUXX - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C28I73go2I

A few Pictures as well - http://www.flickr.com/photos/54032341@N00/sets/72157602519187204/

What a great night :)

[//\/\/]

surely they'll roll out 'spikee' tonight...?

[industri_studios]

I would guess some of the same tracks without a WHOLE slew of new stuff... my assumption is a resulting EE style live DVD where they merge the best of all three nights into one set (was EVERYONE wearing exactly the same stuff? I was enjoying the show too much to properly pay attention LOL!)... but I could be wrong...

Either way - been SO nice to see - and I'll probably enjoy part 3 tonigth before heading out to see UNKLE live... so that'll be an alright evening [smirk].

[sunflowereye]

Tonight's video, by popular demand: cute, furry Kittens!

http://www.aloha.com/~tabanger/underworld/kittenslondon2.mov

If you missed it, I also posted You Do Scribble (http://www.darktrain.org/dirty/forums/showpost.php?p=82471&postcount=72) from the first night.

Many, many thanks for both viedo clips. Due to work I was able to only watch the first half of the first night and none of last night's show. Probably be purchasing the 2nd night for sure! Awesome set. "Kittens" is in my top three UW songs. The "flashing phalluses" were just as cool as I remember in NYC & Denver.

[aaron5000]

Wait, are the vids for purchase or just the audio from the shows?

[dubnobasswithme]

Wait, are the vids for purchase or just the audio from the shows?

just the audio from the shows.

while the underworld team records every show with video cameras, i don't think that it's the sort of thing that will be made public (at least not the entire show in video format).

[TheBang]

well, they post some of the videos online in the Member section, but they're usually small size (about 320x240).

[aaron5000]

Well has anyone recorded the vids from the last two live webcasts? I really want to see them.

[stimpee]

Well has anyone recorded the vids from the last two live webcasts? I really want to see them.Bootleg distribution and discussions take place over at RTSR (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rtsrboardoftrade). Please make your requests over there.

[King of Snake]

my pictures from both gigs are up at my flickr page (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kingofsnake/collections/72157602552920683/) now.
Was right up at the front on thursday so got some great pics there.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Bootleg distribution and discussions take place over at RTSR (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rtsrboardoftrade). Please make your requests over there.
Thread Precis

Dirt 1: "Wow what a fantastic show"
Lots of Dirts: "Yeah"
Dirt 2: "Really great huh? Here are some photos"
Lots of Dirts: "Yeah wow thanks!"
Dirt 3: "Hey, I have even managed to grab a couple of chunks from the official stream!" *
Lots of Dirts: "Wow that's really great! Thanks for those, man!"
Dirt 4: "Hey these are really cool - are we able to get any more of these?"
UberModeratur: "STOP ALL DISCUSSION NOW - ZIS IS NOT DE PLACE FOR DER DISCUSSIONING"

For goodness' sake, put the jackboots away, Stimps! ;)This was streamed free to the world! How on EARTH do you expect people not to talk about, and exchange clips from, this on here?

Maybe it is time for an open discussion about what does and does not qualify as a relevant topic on the UW fo.... but my understanding (and I think the majority of the people around here would concur with it) is that we don't discuss/condone/encourage ripping off the band through distributing commercial product. Anything else can be (and ought to be) discussed here if that is what people want. Otherwise, if we are to follow this extremist logic, people could no longer post YouTubes or photos from gigs either.

RTSR exists for the free trade of fan recordings. It is complementary to Dirty/DarkTrain.org, not a substitute for it.

There is doing the right thing - and stopping people from posting about ripping and exchanging officially-recorded material is absolutely the right thing to do.

Then there is over-zealousness, and this falls into that category, imo and just causes confusion. Ultimately, it may lead to alienation of Dirts who a) don't know what the precises "rules" are because they aren't written anywhere and appear arbitrary at best; and b) get fed up of being told off (and I used that term advisedly in view of the tone taken sometimes) when effectively they are just following the logic of a thread and haven't said or done anything wrong.



*i.e. not bootleg

[King of Snake]

agreed. This was officially broadcast trough underworldlive and darktrain.org is the "official" message board. I don't see how posting parts of this broadcast is any different from people posting direct links to the various bits of music being posted as streams on underworldlive.

[dubman]

i actually agree with BB too. this was broadcast free and on their own site, i think there's every right to talk about it and share whatever clips were gotten from it.
while bootlegs that someone in the audience recorded and even these live CDs being sold absolutely fall under the RTSR umbrella, the shows being broadcast on their own site, streaming, and absolutely not in a re-saleable format, have every expectation to be recorded by fans to share with other fans

plus it was brilliant, simon taylor did an immense job of gig 2

[lloyd]

the live cds that are sold now by underworld can't in any way shape or form be shared on rtsr.

[aaron5000]

Bootleg distribution and discussions take place over at RTSR (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rtsrboardoftrade). Please make your requests over there.

How is it bootleg distribution? It was a stream that was linked on underworld live. Does this mean that links to autotrader and/or phonestrap should only be linked at rtsr as well?

The webcast is faaaaaar from being a bootleg.

[dubman]

the live cds that are sold now by underworld can't in any way shape or form be shared on rtsr. okay.
dont get like that, i just thought it might be a gray area for a bit, due to the curse of being so limited and also pretty expensive to get all 6.
but it makes more sense not to.

[Jan]

The webcast is faaaaaar from being a bootleg.
Come on, you seriously don't espect links to the whole stream here on this public forum!
If Underworld wanted to make the stream available to download they would have made recording a lot easier don't you think? Instead, they used a Quicktime stream that is almost impossible to record. Just because something is streamed freely to the would doesn't mean we can do with it whatever we want! A recording of the official stream is definately a bootleg, even if this might seem contradictory. When you look at Autotrader etc., the link is freely visible in the source code and I don't think UW would have something against downloading those little bits.
It's all about the artist's intent, although we can only guess as UW never stated directly what's okay (however, they tolerate RTSR if I remember correctly).
Does dirty forum need rules? Shouldn't we just use our common sense?
IMO links to one or two songs, Youtube vids etc. are okay, but we have to draw the line somewhere.

BeautifulBurnout: aaron has asked for the whole recordings, not just clips! There is no "over-zealousness" from Stimpee when he says that that's not okay.

[sanakan]

yes, it was broadcast, most of you seem to forget that it was in a format that was *very* difficult to record. plus the sound of it is distributed officiall.

--> definitly bootleg, and also half commercial.

bottomline: no silly questions here.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Does dirty forum need rules? Shouldn't we just use our common sense?
IMO links to one or two songs, Youtube vids etc. are okay, but we have to draw the line somewhere.

BeautifulBurnout: aaron has asked for the whole recordings, not just clips! There is no "over-zealousness" from Stimpee when he says that that's not okay.
The line IS drawn, and quite clearly and palpably, at commercial product. Thereafter everything becomes a gray area. The Bang posts clips, and nothing is said. Ely posts clips and nothing is said. Quite naturally flowing from that, aaron5000 asks if there is any more available, and we are told we aren't even allowed to discuss it here. So where is the line overstepped? Is it asking for more of what we have already seen? Is it posting clips taken from the stream in the first place? Is it posting anything at all relating to bootlegs, including YouTubes from the gigs themselves? Is it the mere mention of anything that could be construed as a bootleg?

And you refer to Phonestrap/Autotrader etc. They were posted on UW Live as streams, not downloads, and were ripped by Dirts and posted on here for download (or at least it was so initially - I haven't checked that out recently). So following your own logic, irrespective of how easy or difficult it was to crack the code, they, too, are bootlegs. Aren't they? Otherwise they would have been supplied as free downloads in the first place. So that particular argument doesn't have legs at all, I'm afraid.

So, if we follow the "no bootleg discussion" argument that Stimpee is trying to make, effectively, in his opinion (and, again, I say that advisedly, because it is only his opinion as one of the many moderators on this board) either a) nothing should be discussed on here or posted on here that could conceivably fall into the bootleg category, which would include all of the above, or alternatively b) we have to try it out and see whether, in his opinion, it is acceptable or not. (And his opinion may not in fact reflect the opinion of other moderators or even the band itself.) The latter appears to be the status quo and is at best confusing and at worst irritating.

The "no commercial product ripping" rule is a simple one to apply and to police. Anything else falls into such a fuzzy non-definable area that people are never going to know what oversteps the mark and what doesn't. You cannot realistically police something in such an abitrary fashion.

As for aaron - he can always ask, and someone can always say no, we don't think this is correct if that is the policy. But to say "no, it is something you cannot talk about here but you can talk about it elsewhere" is kinda dumb in the context.

What is the message you are trying to send out? That we don't share bootlegs? That we do share bootlegs but shhh!... don't let the band know we do? Come on. Get real, chaps.

What bootleg. There is no bootleg. We are bootleg-less. :rolleyes:

[sanakan]

And you refer to Phonestrap/Autotrader etc. They were posted on UW Live as streams, not downloads
no, these were posted as files, not streams.
So, following general logic, your hole argument does not only have no legs, but also no foot and hands ;)



why do we have to have the bootleg-discussion for the umpteeth time?

[dubman]

it was a streamed file.
you'd have to go into the source code, make the mov a link, download, and convert to mp3.

lots of people wouldnt bother.

and if this broadcast were so damn hard to rip then how did one out of the few who would be motivated enough to do it figure it out.

again, this broadcast is not ever going to be for sale, it was transmitted in streaming quality, it in no way could be sold for money, so it's not ripping off of anything

[dubman]

why do we have to have the bootleg-discussion for the umpteeth time?
because it's getting a little draconian at this point

[BeautifulBurnout]

OMG I agree with Dubman!

/me takes her temperature and pulse....;)


Any road up - the point I am trying to make boils down to this, logically:

Discussing ripping/sharing of the Tokyo CDs or current CDs on here was obviously bad.
Discussing ripping Tokyo when it was played at 96kbps on Dirty Radio was not bad.
Discussing ripping/seizing the stream of Cocoon was not considered bad except by Sanakan it appears ;).
Ergo, discussing ripping/sharing of clips from the recent streams at a miserable quality/bitrate is not bad.

Consistency, people, consistency! This is no way to run a whorehouse otherwise!
I rest my case.

[aaron5000]

Come on, you seriously don't espect links to the whole stream here on this public forum!
If Underworld wanted to make the stream available to download they would have made recording a lot easier don't you think? Instead, they used a Quicktime stream that is almost impossible to record. Just because something is streamed freely to the would doesn't mean we can do with it whatever we want! A recording of the official stream is definately a bootleg, even if this might seem contradictory. When you look at Autotrader etc., the link is freely visible in the source code and I don't think UW would have something against downloading those little bits.
It's all about the artist's intent, although we can only guess as UW never stated directly what's okay (however, they tolerate RTSR if I remember correctly).
Does dirty forum need rules? Shouldn't we just use our common sense?
IMO links to one or two songs, Youtube vids etc. are okay, but we have to draw the line somewhere.

BeautifulBurnout: aaron has asked for the whole recordings, not just clips! There is no "over-zealousness" from Stimpee when he says that that's not okay.

Well considering I asked if it was posted anywhere also meant is there a place it has been placed on underworldlive that I had missed. So before anyone starts with the bootleg talk that should be taken into consideration.

Why are some clips permitted and others not? This is absurd. It would seem to me that it would fall into place of past streams that have been linked on this forum many times. One of these times it was a live vid/audio cast from lemonworld, and it was posted with a .cue to be able to split the files into individual tracks. Is it really hard to believe that some other stream that has gone through underworldlive has been asked for?


because it's getting a little draconian at this point

Agreed.

[Jan]

Why are some clips permitted and others not? This is absurd. It would seem to me that it would fall into place of past streams that have been linked on this forum many times. One of these times it was a live vid/audio cast from lemonworld, and it was posted with a .cue to be able to split the files into individual tracks. Is it really hard to believe that some other stream that has gone through underworldlive has been asked for?

Sometimes things gets posted and are tolerated by the moderators. If one wants more, then Stimpee refers to RTSR. I agree that this is confusing. And then, things get posted because this is confusing. Stimpee refers to RTSR... and so on.

So the 'rules' are: Some 'teasers' are allowed. For more, visit RTSR. To resolve the confusion I suggest the moderators make a sticky.

I know the situation from when I was a new member. Why was talking about bootlegs not allowed on dirty.org? Instead there was RTSR which was strange and ambiguous because no one really talked about it. And then look at http://rtsr.rowla.com/, it's like 5 years old, lists "snail-mail" with CD-R's as the method to share bootlegs, and no links work anymore. And I hate mailing lists. They are so inconvenient and not-forum-like. I also hate yahoo. I had to make a yahoo account just for RTSR. That sucked.
Once in RTSR the real confusion started: What is the FTP? Where is that tracker everyone talked about? And why does no one use "snail mail" to share bootlegs anymore?
I suggest rebuilding RTSR from scratch as a proper forum and with more up-to-date information for newbies. Or why not make it a non-public dirty subforum 'RTSR' which only members with like 10+ posts have access to? I hope that those points are taken as constructive critisism and not as whining/nagging. :)

The lemonworld broadcast you are talking about was probably this (http://www.darktrain.org/dirty/forums/showthread.php?t=3478) one. It was posted on underworldlive.com as a direct link.

Maybe the mods can split the bootleg discussion from the rest of the thread and make a new one.

[aaron5000]

I suggest rebuilding RTSR from scratch as a proper forum and with more up-to-date information for newbies. Or why not make it a non-public dirty subforum 'RTSR' which only members with like 10+ posts have access to? I hope that those points are taken as constructive critisism and not as whining/nagging. :)


Agreed. It would be nice.

[Jan]

it was a streamed file.
you'd have to go into the source code, make the mov a link, download, and convert to mp3.

lots of people wouldnt bother.
From my point of view the files like Phonestrap, Autotrader are offered for download. They are links, and that is probably Underworld's intention even if the packaging as *.mov file is like a stream. They probably have nothing against it if we load them on our DAPs.

On the other side look at the Crocodile videos. They are not the same format. They are pure streams which are harder to rip and thus are probably not intended to download. UW could have made them similar files to the files above but they chose to offer them only as streams. That makes sense, considering the Crocodile vid is on the DVD and the Alligator version is an "underworldlive.com" exclusive.

The concert web-streams (Cocoon, London) where the hardest to rip. I didn't manage to rip them, the only possibility I found were screenrecorders. In this case, I assume that Underworld don't want us to download them, because they probably want us to have a one-time "concert-like" multimedia experience.

Of course all those points are assumptions. You may have a different opinion, or my opinion may not be the same than that of the band.

and if this broadcast were so damn hard to rip then how did one out of the few who would be motivated enough to do it figure it out.
There is nothing truly unrippable. You can circumvent copy protections on CDs, DVD, HDDVDs, Bluray, DRM-protected music downloads, video downloads... etc. There is always somebody who will get around that crap and then use the stuff he paid for like he wants. (which is a good thing IMO)
I don't know how TheBang did this. Maybe screencapturing. If he got the real stream then kudos to him.

again, this broadcast is not ever going to be for sale, it was transmitted in streaming quality, it in no way could be sold for money, so it's not ripping off of anything
If this is gonna be released somewhere, here or on RTSR, the audio has to be stripped as this is, because it was commercially released, "ripping off" and "stepping beyond the line".
Then you'll get just the video stream and must mux it with the audio from your legitimate CD copy bought from liveherenow. Sounds fun.

And I really hope they will release this as an official download or something. I would buy this thing as soon as they released it. A DVD would be nice, too. The demand is there.

[TheBang]

it was a streamed file.
you'd have to go into the source code, make the mov a link, download, and convert to mp3.
For these London QuickTime broadcasts? No, thank you for playing, try again.

My personal feelings on this issue are similar to Jan's. Small clips, YouTubes, etc, are fine for here. When you start talking about whole shows, take it to RTSR. And yeah, RTSR would be easier to use with a forum rather than a mailing list.

[ndrwrld]

so, did anyone record Fridays set ?
:o
oops...wednesday or thursdays ?
please PM me, anyone, if there is a recording of thursdays gig, as i hear they played KITTENS, and i must have.
i will pay for cd / shipping.

[gaborez]

well, you can buy it from here:

http://www.liveherenow.co.uk/artist/underworld/

:)

[Techno_Bunny]

so, did anyone record Fridays set ?
:o
oops...wednesday or thursdays ?


that is just so sick...

[ndrwrld]

i didnt mean the audio...i meant the video broadcast.
come on now...
im all over the purchasing of the audio cd, but sadly as i was en route to the UK, i didnt get a chance to hear thursdays gig, nor see it, nor dream i was able to leave a day earlier to experience it.

youre right...very sick.

[gaborez]

soz - thought you meant audio :)
if i'd recorded it i'd deffo sort you out to make up for some of ya disappointment :( unfortunately i was at the gig ;)

get well soon underworld people (we should have an official get well soon thread) and to all the dirts that are disappointed - hope we can hook up for a gig in 2008. i really hope we can all fly to toronto mate :)

[stimpee]

Look, I didnt want to open a can of worms with this but these forums, official or not have never been the place to distribute any gig recordings and it doesnt start now. I'm talking about complete gigs here. I'm not complaining at all about clips. What I was trying to say wasnt intended to stop you; more to say that a place more suited to these discussions is RTSR. Its always been that way. What Todd says, and what Jan touched on I wholeheartedly agree with.

My personal feelings on this issue are similar to Jan's. Small clips, YouTubes, etc, are fine for here. When you start talking about whole shows, take it to RTSR. And yeah, RTSR would be easier to use with a forum rather than a mailing list.Sorry for the confusion. :o

Jan: I agree that RTSR needs an overhaul, and the page at rtsr.rowla.com is old. However, the overview there is still pretty valid, and the yahoo group is still very active. You don't need a yahoo address anymore though, and there is a torrent tracker for large FLACs as well as an FTP for the smaller mp3 files.

[King of Snake]

how's the membership activation speed of RTSR these days stimp? I remember hearing that sometimes people had to wait for weeks before being accepted into RTSR. I can imagine this might turn people off who are looking for shows.

[negative1]

For these London QuickTime broadcasts? No, thank you for playing, try again.

My personal feelings on this issue are similar to Jan's. Small clips, YouTubes, etc, are fine for here. When you start talking about whole shows, take it to RTSR. And yeah, RTSR would be easier to use with a forum rather than a mailing list.

i'm not quite sure what you mean by 'forum'..

the web interface for yahoogroups, is almost easier
to use that the dirtyforums. you just have to access
it through 'groups.yahoo.com', instead of just subscribing
to it, and looking at the emails..

later
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[lloyd]

how's the membership activation speed of RTSR these days stimp? I remember hearing that sometimes people had to wait for weeks before being accepted into RTSR. I can imagine this might turn people off who are looking for shows.


I activate people almost everyday. But there might have slipped a few of course.

[TheBang]

i'm not quite sure what you mean by 'forum'..

the web interface for yahoogroups, is almost easier
to use that the dirtyforums. you just have to access
it through 'groups.yahoo.com', instead of just subscribing
to it, and looking at the emails..
I disagree. The Yahoo message archive is decidedly inferior to a forum like this one. If RTSR had a fo.... the discussion could be categorized. Like, for example, a forum for discussion of the 1995-1996 STITI tour, and a forum for the current tour disucssion. You could search on topic titles alone, instead of entire message content, like Yahoo. Informational threads, like download information, could be stickied for easy reference. How many e-mails have we had on the list that say "I'm sorry, I can't find it, where is the FTP information, and how do I log in?"

[stimpee]

Well i did say that it needs an overhaul. The archive isnt as good as this and neither is the forum. But its free, and the hosting is free and its been that way for years. And as lloyd says, approval is daily. Add to that the non-yahoo requirement and the new tracker and I think you can say that improvements have been made. Its far from perfect but it works. However, its still the place for bootlegs discussion. If you dont like it, dont use it. Now can we talk about something else?

[negative1]

I disagree. The Yahoo message archive is decidedly inferior to a forum like this one. If RTSR had a fo.... the discussion could be categorized. Like, for example, a forum for discussion of the 1995-1996 STITI tour, and a forum for the current tour disucssion. You could search on topic titles alone, instead of entire message content, like Yahoo. Informational threads, like download information, could be stickied for easy reference. How many e-mails have we had on the list that say "I'm sorry, I can't find it, where is the FTP information, and how do I log in?"

the search feature is especially usefull for that, by date, etc.
i use it all the time..you just have to be more specific in
your queries...but yes, it could be improved.
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[Domel]

and... a nice bunch of Polish dirts ;) and... this gig was amazing (Darren was even smiling & Rick dancing in the end :)) and... KITTENS!!!!

and... need a bit of sleep to be "prepared" for Roundhouse 3 in a few hours... :cool:

IT Was Masterpiece!!!!!! :)
Pis&Everything With All of U Dirtys and Ofcourse U Mark(aka m.g)
Unfortunatelly the third olndon gig.....Rick..well u oll know
Pis