crocodile....

[arp2600]

god....feel underwhelmed by that..oh well another once class act runs out of ideas

[Jan]

Do you just want to troll or do you actually have something to say?

[saintrik]

LOL... Well, I'll just chime in with my in-depth analysis also then...

I likes it. Lots.

[Dirty0900]

god....feel underwhelmed by that..oh well another once class act runs out of ideas

Fair do's i guess :)

Please don't let this turn in to a forum where if someone doesn't like an UW tune, they will get abuse. People can have different opinions. I personally dont see the fuss over Darc.

[Leon]

How dare you NOT enjoying an Underworld song. That is not accepted on this forum!

Grrrr

[gillenium]

I dunno about Crocodire... but Crocodile is amazing.

[arp2600]

ok,thats just my opinion.ive followed uw for ages-saw their experimental soundfield, saw them this year.and with this tune the decline just feels complete,its empty but not in a good way.i hope the album proves me wrong and is a return to form.ive got no axe to grind,R+K have given me more good music than most but this new single just leaves me uninspired,i've heard it in clubs,at home,in car and its just dire

[jose m]

blimey, why bother telling people here that? sure its fine to have that opinion but why spend the time to register if thats all you are feeling? is your opinion really important or something? its sorta like going to a wedding and calling the bride ugly.

[sanakan]

should it be forbidden, jose_m? shall we ban all expression of opinion?

don't be so anal, and welcome a new member (and aparently a long time fan) to the boards!

[arp2600]

hello,
sanakan..thanks for the welcome!still going to see them live again this year as thats where they really shine for me..maybe the records/files are not so important to them anymore anyway-the live experience is the way forward for them imo

[dubman]

hey at least it gets people on both spectrums again. TMO had people either saying it was amazing, but the non-plussed simply didn't care and just dropped it. when a group who's fallen totally off radar makes a bad album people just ignore it. if anything i'd welcome it if this album brought a truckload of haters along with the ardent supporters, it means they're off-base enough to agitate something.

with that said i thought this was going to be about the japanese single due to the "l gets replaceed by r" joke.

i still really like this song, there a characteristic abundance of detail and that bass snarl is to die for. not a wild fan of the huge echo in the vocals but stuff like that just becomes part of the song after awhile

[Leon]

hey at least it gets people on both spectrums again. TMO had people either saying it was amazing, but the non-plussed simply didn't care and just dropped it. when a group who's fallen totally off radar makes a bad album people just ignore it. if anything i'd welcome it if this album brought a truckload of haters along with the ardent supporters, it means they're off-base enough to agitate something.

with that said i thought this was going to be about the japanese single due to the "l gets replaceed by r" joke.

i still really like this song, there a characteristic abundance of detail and that bass snarl is to die for. not a wild fan of the huge echo in the vocals but stuff like that just becomes part of the song after awhile

I completely agree.

[froopy seal]

Welcome arp!

Of course, "even here" people must be entitled to negative opinions about UW material. I, personally, cannot yet connect to Phonestrap, so I'm ok with arp stating he/she doesn't like Crocodile.

Nonetheless, I have an issue with the following:maybe the records/files are not so important to them anymore anyway-the live experience is the way forward for them imoRegarding the time (five years) and the effort (tens (hundreds?) of tracks, sound bits and remixes) the band put into Oblivion With Bells, I can't see how you come to the conclusion that they don't care about records anymore. On the contrary, from the diary on underworldlive.com I always get the impression that Rick and Karl care very much about the stuff they release, what with all the info on the writing/mastering process, visuals/cover art, interviews, meetings with friends etc.

[King of Snake]

well said. Without records, there would be nothing to play at liveshows either :p

[jose m]

"dont be so anal"........... jog on sanakan you pussie,just expressing an opinion la.

[big screen satellite]

"dont be so anal"........... jog on sanakan you pussie,just expressing an opinion la.

'jog on' - LOL

not heard that for a while... :)


that made me chuckle the most on return from my holiday...

ho hum,

i didn't like Croc that much on first listen, but its not dire in any way, perhaps people expect things from Underworld and well when the deliver something utterly different some people don't like it... its almost like a proper 'song' as opposed to a track with vocals on

its ok to have the opinions i suppose, but i kinda agree that as a first post to a forum its a bit harsh to come in and criticize the band, by slating their single - even if you have been a fan for years

there is also a thread for this single and any valued comments on it could (and should) really have been posted there, whether negative or not...

[Leon]

I'm in love (and happily maried) with the live version at the Frankfurt gig (All These Things). I still have to get used to the studio version because it has less energy and different lyrics. The AMAZING tones Karl sings near the end though, make me melt.

[Jan]

I still like the Cocoom version becuase it's longer and has those different pads and has different lyrics...

[gillenium]

Both versions (All These Things and Crocodile) have their strengths and weaknesses. But all things withstanding, I think the boys made the right choice with their final version. As much as I like the ambient feel of All These Things, I don't think the little 3/4 timed ambient pad would've sustained the album version. Sounds good live, but... album is different. And also, I've finally come to terms with the amount of reverb put on Karl's voice, because his voice fills in for that pad. It becomes the spine of the melody.

[testudo]

something happening tomorrow:

http://trafficjpn.com/underworld/news.html

[holden]

Just my two cents, but i'm really thankful for the RiverRun releases and Breaking and Entering soundtrack in between the last proper studio album A Hundred Days Off, and the new LP, Oblivion With Bells. They showcased a more complex and atmospheric side to Underworld that makes "Crocodile" seem like a natural evolution of their sound, whereas if i hadn't heard those intermediate bits, it might have seemed a rather stark and somewhat downtempo step from the dare-i-say "cold" dance sound of AHDO.

That said, "Crocodile" is a-o-k in my book! i;m just glad album bits are appearing slowly...making me very excited to hear the full finished product.

[tinyman]

oh yes, i'm deeply concerned. i thought the riverrun downloads were rad, the newer tunes on the underworldlive was getting me excited... then crocodile. blah! does nothing for me. feels like it's been building up and up and just as we get to the climax with the album, the band's fumbling it. oh no!

[big screen satellite]

having personally heard some of the new stuff... i have a feeling that some people round these parts are gonna be a little negative towards the entire album.... but we'll see

lets just put it this way, Underworld have moved on from Born Slippy, King of Snake and Two Months Off...

but its a good move in my opinion, in today's musical climate... but some people probably won't like it...

i'm not sure i'm that two 50 year olds making banging club tunes is the done thing these days anyway, so lets hope the people who now do dance music, mix up the tracks, like they have done with Crocodile, and let Rick and Karl make the orginal versions in their own form...

i suggest everyone read's Scotts overview of the album in the announcements section - you can't categorise Underworld anymore, they make their own sound

"what type of music is this?"
"its Underworld"
(like it or not!)

[testudo]

"what type of music is this?"
"its Underworld"
(like it or not!)

Nope, I think i'll be saying a 'Groove version of the later 'Talk Talk' stuff for 2007.'

[foxlake]

For those who have fears on this album..There is only one question : " How much times underworld disappoints you? "....never (or almost). =)

[potatobroth]

For those who have fears on this album..There is only one question : " How much times underworld disappoints you? "....never (or almost). =)

I like crocodile and i've liked just about every release the boys have put out. but as for the RR series, I hardly ever listen to them. I've listened to my copies of Dubno, STITI and BF til the disc was damn near worn through but the RR series doesn't captivate me like those albums. AHDO gets the least playtime for me but I still like it. I suspect I'll like OWB but to what degree is yet to be seen. If its like the RR series then I'll probably be back on the old faves.

I've never been let down by UW though :)

[TheBang]

I've listened to my copies of Dubno, STITI and BF til the disc was damn near worn through but the RR series doesn't captivate me like those albums.
Well, I wore out my Pizza for Eggs and had to buy a new one. ;)

[tinyman]

the Phonestrap off the underworldlive site is still keeping my hopes up about the new album though. they sound pretty good.

[thee carp dreamer]

dubno > stiti > beaucoup fish > ahdo > crocodile

it just sounds dated as fuck. and i liked jal to tokyo.....

[wesw1a]

Run out of ideas?
Opinions are one thing, but their obviously not out of ideas.
My opinion - Crocodile is brilliant & beautiful .... just like the Underworld of the past.

[Cadevil]

Nothing dire about Croc...after experiencing UW on Friday night, I have to say that these guys are on top of their game...and the new stuff they played (both Croc and BB) add to the rest of their catelog nicely. They took a crowd who semed rather flat (during Oakenfold) and got the placejumping, dancing and celebrating in unison almost immediately...Croc was about 2-3 songs in and the crowd loved...by the time Karl breaks it down with the chant of "All these Things" the corwd is moved...

Croc is class...period!

[foxlake]

dubno > stiti > beaucoup fish > ahdo > crocodile

it just sounds dated as fuck. and i liked jal to tokyo.....
I'm sad for you. After so many years, be disappointed every time...:D

If Oblivion' is in 'A hundred days off' what 'Second toughest in the infants' is in "dubnobasswithmyheadman" then this promise good things, in my view...

[toilet trained]

hey at least it gets people on both spectrums again. TMO had people either saying it was amazing, but the non-plussed simply didn't care and just dropped it. when a group who's fallen totally off radar ...

um dont you mean fallen Underneath the radar ?

anyway. been listening to crocodille. pretty good, like the 'bridge' vocal part the best, when they sort of swirl up (not sure what he actually says there thogh)

also, awsome grindy base guitar line.

ok, not an instant favorite, but i think its a harsh call for anyone to say they are washed up and out of it. The breaking & Entering soundtrack was absolute crystal, as were the sounds in sunshine.

they seem to be definitely approaching a more 'atmospheric' 'electronica' now. but, as someone said, they are 50 odd. Besides which they seem to do it better than ANYONE. its dammed tough to write a minimal ambient soundtrakc and not sound like you a cranking the chain

[big screen satellite]

you see the main problem is that they are famous for one banging hit and a several banging follow ups, pearls girl, moaner, king of snake etc...

people still expect that...

but maturing with age, the band have followed the logical path... banging out 'another born slippy' is simply pointless and i suspect not what the guys want to or even can do nowdays...

they seem to be making their music for themselves and letting us in on the journey, they have no paymasters any more and as such can do what the hell they like...

its not like the production is shoddy or the sounds are rehashed its all fresh new and exciting stuff, just take your time people to listen to the new stuff with clairty and enjoy the band for what they are now...

what has gone before will always be underworld, what we have now is underworld for the new millennium....

its a journey, stay on the path with the band... you won't be disappoined

Matt

[gillenium]

How can anyone say they're washed up? I think they're better now than they ever have been.

[gormster]

I can see someone not liking Crocodile, but they're probably the same people that didn't like Mmm Skyscraper I Love You. The two are very much in the same vein.

[lloyd]

they've made it to No1 in the top songs AND the top album chart at the japanese Itunes store already.
Congrats!
for both...
album chart??? lol
screen dumps at my blog

[kowalski__]

everything about underworld is in art state right now. it'll be really cool to see them top of the charts with this album.

[BrotherLovesDub]

How can anyone say they're washed up? I think they're better now than they ever have been.


i completely agree. better now than they ever were.

[testudo]

I love the Pete Heller mix... it is a bit awkawrd, but i think thats why i love it

[BrotherLovesDub]

the Heller mix has it's rhythmic foundation/sounds tied to classic Basic Channel/DeepChord sounds while keeping the awesome melodies and vocals from the original. i think it's a great mix.