crocodile - oliver huntemann remix [Archive]

bryantm3

08-09-2007, 11:44 AM

what do you think?

personally i think it's a bit dull, but it's not bad, just sounds like it's missing a bit of something, maybe a bit too slow or something. i've never been really fond of remixes so i can't really say much, but i was kind of hoping for something a lot more dancey than that.

BrotherLovesDub

08-09-2007, 11:51 AM

it's a good track to use to build a set. it's not a peak track. it's a tad dull but in line with other mixes by Huntemann, who peaked with his DM mix, in my opinion. i love that the vocal is untreated for the most part, don't like that he left out the "all these things" chorus but thats pretty typical. i think this song would sound great about 20/30 minutes into a dj set. it's made to be mixed and for what it is, i think it will get plenty of action from DJ's in the clubs.

testudo

08-09-2007, 12:01 PM

o where could this be found?

the mongoose

08-09-2007, 12:02 PM

the mongoose

08-09-2007, 12:07 PM

o where could this be found?

On the internet.:)

j/k.........myspace.com/huntemann

bryantm3

08-09-2007, 12:13 PM

I like the sub-bass and overall thumping rhythm. The vocals are super stripped down and take some adjusting to, but I think I like the fact that you can understand the lyrics better. Loses steam as it goes on....should have been 4 minutes long tops.

Much better remix than most people do, unlike those Pig + Dan, Micronauts, and Price mixes which are just ear bleedingly awful.;)
yeah it is really stripped down, isn't it?

i could see it in between two really dancey songs, but only for about 3-4 minutes like you said. that's prolly how the DJs will play it.

is it true that most DJs only use CDs now? i heard that a couple of months ago, and it kinda got me pissed. DJing is an art, CDing is not.

stimpee

08-09-2007, 01:09 PM

You keep waiting for the big push... and it just doesnt happen. The vocals are a lot clearer (the ones that are used) but I'm just not impressed with it at all.

bryantm3

08-09-2007, 01:13 PM

yeah like a climax (please refrain from sexual comments), but it never gets there.

Jafs

08-09-2007, 01:26 PM

Am I the only one who's not (already) crazy about the original ? However the 2 sounds good, but the remix is more tight I think.

gaborez

08-09-2007, 02:25 PM

anyone who hasnt heard it, you can listen here:
http://www.myspace.com/huntemann

it's minimal...

lloyd

08-09-2007, 02:29 PM

It has much going for it but then gets stuck in the sand somewhere. What I really miss in it though, is the AAAAAAAAAAAAlllllllllll these things...
Not much of a 'vocal' mix with one of the most noticable bits of lyrics cut from it, is it?

BeautifulBurnout

08-09-2007, 02:51 PM

Hmm... I seem to be the only person who thinks this is brilliant. I guess a) I love my minimal and b) this is gonna be a big club hit, imo and c) while i get the point about the "all these things", imo the chorus is way too melodic for the sound that huntemann is trying to create here. This is dark, deep and brooding and something melodic and sing-songy in the middle would have ruined that atmosphere.

I'm not saying this is better than the original, just brilliant in its own way, as a stand-alone piece.

Can't wait to hear this version in a club, with that bass thumping me in the guts. :D

myrrh

08-09-2007, 03:50 PM

I really enjoy this remix too. I love the bass. I love the darkness. I love the no effect vocals. I can agree that it seems to loose something but then towards the end it kicks up again.

I think that the chorus would have ruined this track. As much as I like lyrically 'happy' sounding Underworld of late, I prefer the darker mood of Dubno and Second Toughest.

The original crocodile has, at least to me, those darker sounds in the music, but the chorus seems to lift it up and make it a nice feel good track. (which is great and all, but I happed to like darker stuff)

BrotherLovesDub

08-09-2007, 03:53 PM

i don't think Crocodile in it's original form is a very happy song. it doesn't sound dark but it def. doesn't sound anywhere near as joyous as TMO.

myrrh

08-09-2007, 03:57 PM

i don't think Crocodile in it's original form is a very happy song. it doesn't sound dark but it def. doesn't sound anywhere near as joyous as TMO.

I agree, which is why I think that I will enjoy this album a whole lot better than the last one! :D

rayray

08-09-2007, 08:26 PM

that's nice - can't wait to see this live
great min electro feel to the remix

sunflowereye

08-09-2007, 08:58 PM

Dig the remix and the original. Very moody & would be excellent in a warm-up set. Both on good club soundsystems = :eek:

stimpee

08-10-2007, 12:35 AM

the chorus is way too melodic for the sound that huntemann is trying to create here. This is dark, deep and brooding and something melodic and sing-songy in the middle would have ruined that atmosphere.way to go Huntemann. remove the melody. that really makes a song better. Minimal remixes sometimes remove what is good about a song and leave it sounding unfinished, and this is the case here.

BeautifulBurnout

08-10-2007, 02:32 AM

way to go Huntemann. remove the melody. that really makes a song better. Minimal remixes sometimes remove what is good about a song and leave it sounding unfinished, and this is the case here.
Well, it makes it a different song, effectively. But that is what remixers do. They strip out the bits they want and build their own sound around them. I don't think it sounds unfinished as such. Just minimal.

A "compare and contrast" example would be This World by Slam (http://www.somarecords.com/slam/thisworld/) vs the Wighnomy Bros/Robag Wruhme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irQ1FZghaaU) remix of it. The original was light, airy, happy and melodic. The Wiighnomy/Wruhme remix was stripped down, dark, glitchy and virtually bereft of melody at all. You wouldn't even recognise them to be the same song if they were played back to back. At least Oliver Huntemann has kept a large element of the original.

It's all horses for courses. As I said earlier, I don't think this is better than the original just different from it, and I like it just as much. I am sure there will be other more "classic" club mixes coming out soon too.

Edit: Adding linkys for aural demonstration purposes :)

holden

08-10-2007, 08:55 AM

Agree that the untreated vocals are a nice touch as i can make out more of the excellent lyrics. Overall the remix definitely takes the track in a new direction, but not so successfully...Kind of has a Trentmoeller feel to it. Is that a good thing or bad thing? :p

But the droning bass kind of drives me crazy. If this was played in a club, my ears would be bleeding from the bass. The majority of the track is just the bass and a bunch of lo-fi drum sound effects, which plip, plop, roll and echo to annoying excess.

In short, kudos for the effort, but i'm not really feeling this one...looking forward to other mixes.

undarrenworld

08-10-2007, 11:42 AM

i don't think Crocodile in it's original form is a very happy song. it doesn't sound dark but it def. doesn't sound anywhere near as joyous as TMO.

Yeah Croc is different than TMO, TMO was bouncing joyride. Croc is all about new philosophy, Oliver H. remix - minimal (remember the vinyls from last year - minimal mixes) (Oliver play top game these days - remix for Chems etc.)

But you are right, we all hope for the new TMO, dont get me wrong I like new Croc, but remember TMO or Dino... it was ride, wasnt?

Im sure that we will have some "dinoish" track on album too;) I hope:)

BrotherLovesDub

08-10-2007, 11:52 AM

Mike

08-10-2007, 01:06 PM

personally, i don't want another TMO or DA3D. i'm happy with the tone of Croc. i loved the RRP's. bring on the aging mellow UW sounds. shit, i'd take another full album just like Breaking and Entering.

Really? I didn't find the tracks i heard interesting at all, im glad i didn't buy it. Its just movie music, thats like buying Radio 2 theme tunes and sticking them on a CD to listen too in the car. :)

BrotherLovesDub

08-10-2007, 01:44 PM

also, i'm old and boring.

BeautifulBurnout

08-10-2007, 02:24 PM

also, i'm old and boring.

No!!!

You're not boring :p

I loved Breaking and Entering, and the RiverRuns, but I really want more banging dance tracks. :)

ndrwrld

08-10-2007, 06:26 PM

but I really want more banging tracks. :)
you HARLOT ! :p

jOHN rODRIGUEZ

08-12-2007, 08:08 PM

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN(sp): DUB. Choice:p Dub.

King of Snake

08-13-2007, 01:43 AM

Crocodile beats the pants of Dinosaur Adventure 3d anytime.
Maybe not TMO, but Dino for sure.

big screen satellite

08-13-2007, 03:36 AM

Crocodile beats the pants of Dinosaur Adventure 3d anytime.
Maybe not TMO, but Dino for sure.

Crocodile vs Dinosaur- sounds like some Japanese anime wet dream...

gaborez

08-13-2007, 03:42 AM

lol :D

(plus some more text to make this over 10 chars)

froopy seal

09-05-2007, 02:54 PM

This World by Slam (http://www.somarecords.com/slam/thisworld/)Hahahahahahaha, that video is hilarious! :D

Re: Topic

It's mmmmminimalicious! Though I have to agree it drags on too long and there IS missing a climax. The "All these things" lyrics wouldn't fit in the dark, minimal mood of the remix. All in all, I quite like it. Might indeed work fine as a transition in a minimal/tech house set, aligning your heart beat to the bass.

I met Mr. Huntemann last weekend; he seemed nice enough and we had a little chat about the remix. He thought Crocodile (original) sounded very different from previous Underworld material, as is being discussed on here too. And is - luckily - always the case with new Underworld material, isn't it?

dubman

09-05-2007, 06:24 PM

Dino3D is probably the worst song they've ever done.
so yea, i'd say this is better.
better than TMO even
AHDO is such a difficult album because for gems like 'little speaker' and 'luetin' there's also some terrible diversions, but the weirdest ones are those that tread the middle. it's sounds detailed and off kilter enough to be underworld at its most charming, but instead there's a crawling sense of losing it instead of staying fresh. it still pushing to make something special, but it falls flat too often. so while TMO is big massive and noisy, it just seems like empty calories after awhile.

i'm glad they tore themselves out of that and started messing around a bit and getting audacious again.

beh

09-05-2007, 07:22 PM

Dino3D is probably the worst song they've ever done.
so yea, i'd say this is better.

One of the worst (actually I don't like "worse", let's say least enjoyable, we are talking about UW here!), I agree. Something Like A Mama might top my list, just never got into it. Did hear/see it live and it didn't change my opinion, just reinforced it.

so while TMO is big massive and noisy, it just seems like empty calories after awhile.
I disagree with this, TMO is one of my fav UW tracks and has withstood the test of time.

but we each have our own opinions, of course.

mmm skyscraper

09-06-2007, 09:48 AM

Something Like A Mama might top my list, just never got into it. Did hear/see it live and it didn't change my opinion, just reinforced it.

The Blue Mountain version is the best.

holden

09-06-2007, 10:01 AM

The Blue Mountain version is the best.

That's a great version, indeed! I never cared much for the studio version, but when played live, it rocked. Great mix in the Chicago 1999 gig, where Mama was mixed with Cups, i believe...it's amazing!

Re: DA3D being one of the worst. nah. It's just a bit too "safe", sounds like it wants to be another "King of Snake". But it's unmistakeably Underworld and rocks the house. I love hearing it crash all over after the few minutes of Ess Gee lull my senses.

But as for the remix...though the dub version is growing on me, i still think the OH mix strips away the essense of the track and doesn't replace it with anything special.

undarrenworld

09-06-2007, 11:03 AM

I like Huntemann remix (http://www.darktrain.org/dirty/forums/showthread.php?p=77609#post77609)
more and more...

Its great sound, but we remember UW banging a lot, right? Just one "dinoish" track please, that one... rez associate 16 mins groove impressions...that could be good;)

jasdotcom

09-07-2007, 03:07 PM

For what it's worth:
I made a ghetto edit of the OH mix, just for grins. I'm not crazy about minimal but I loved hearing the vocal so clearly! So I cut out half of the breakdown and slipped some rhythm from Creamer & K's 'I wish you were here' in behind the glitch. This gives it a much more sexier feel, IMO.

You can hear it here:
http://download.yousendit.com/79701F587B140FF1

I'll only leave it up for a day or two.