Fonestrap

[testudo]

This little gem from UWlive has been in my playlist all day... Anyone else loving it

[kowalski__]

i always liked guitar pieces by underworld and yeah i loved it.

[Cadevil]

Any way to download it?

[stimpee]

yeah except that i get some Magnolia login screen when i click it. So im sure its nice but i cant get it.

EDIT: heh you have to click on the picture. not logical at all. nothing happens when i click on the text...

Grab it here (http://www.underworldlive.com//home/mp4-holder--phonestrap/mainColumnParagraphs/00/asset/Phonestrap.mp4)

[big screen satellite]

damn i thought this was an Underworld merchandising accessory?

[the mongoose]

That was pretty cool. Thanks for the link.:cool:

[Dirty0900]

Lush song, love it.

[joethelion]

thanks for sorting out the link...

I couldn't download it at first (either)

the guitar sounds very familiar... does anyone know if like - an instrumental of this was used for "Sunshine"

[TheBang]

Remix of Phonestrap. Mmm. Any chance we'll ever hear it?

[testudo]

remix, who needs that when the original is bril!

[big screen satellite]

remix, who needs that when the original is bril!

well when its touched up by the man who made it then it could be even better...

[King of Snake]

I really dig this track. Love the tone of the guitar. I was watching Sunshine yesterday and heard some similiar nicely crunchy and distorted sounds. (can't wait for that soundtrack to come out!).

[happiness stan]

lovely.


thanks stimpee

[change]

A new version is up online. Very cool. Think this is the version that Karl was referring to in his posts?

[holden]

While i'm all about Karl playing his guitar in the first version, this one actually sounds like an UW track...maybe a future B-side?

[Cadevil]

Anyway to download (version2)?

[Yannick]

madonna vibe on this one :p

[testudo]

I think I love the first version more...

[crank]

downloading takes some work

it's a .mov file for some reason
http://www.underworldlive.com/home/FoneStrap2/mainColumnParagraphs/00/asset/Fonestrap2.mov

[Dirty0900]

I like the first one better, but that probably becuase i've heard what the second one evolved from. Still canny good like.

[ndrwrld]

i'm loving v2.0 of this...hypnotic.

[aaron5000]

I didn't get to hear the first version :(

[TheBang]

I didn't get to hear the first version :(
http://rapidshare.com/files/51902272/Phonestrap.m4a.html

[joethelion]

hm...

it's funny - I LOVED the music to the original version, the vocals seemed a bit too high in the mix, like it was just sitting on top of the guitar

this second version, however - the vocals definitely fit the music

yet

I like the first version more... it's almost like there was more 'emotional investment' (or whatever you want to call it) in the first version. It had this sort of sweet-yet-melancholic vibe - while this new version, just... well - it just seems like a track. Like, it's just a song no more, no less

[BeautifulBurnout]

Yeah, I definitely prefer version 2 somehow. Yan's right about the Madonna vibe :D

[Floating Dave]

A brief snippet of what might happen if Underworld teamed up with The Blue Nile and they did a version of Phonestrap ;)

http://rapidshare.com/files/52196476/PhonestrapNile.mp3.html

[crank]

this version reminds me of 8ball from the Beach soundtrack.

[crazysugarboy]

this version reminds me of 8ball from the Beach soundtrack.

Yeah, now you mention it Crank, it defo has the same vibe:)

[porn dog]

Not been able to keep up with UWLive.com or the forum for the past wee while so only got round to this. Been on repeat for the last hour... it's fantastic. The new version seems quintessential underworld somehow.

[Bargo]

Version 3 is up now, and is my favourite so far! A nice ambient take on it. :)

[TheBang]

I wonder if we're seeing their song writing process in action here? As we know from the Warner-chappell site, they can often go through 30-40 or more revisions of songs.

[holden]

I wonder if we're seeing their song writing process in action here? As we know from the Warner-chappell site, they can often go through 30-40 or more revisions of songs.

Interesting thought! Could be, could be.


What stark differences between the three versions, even though it's a pretty simple track, basically guitar and voice. #1 seemed like a close miked solo, #2 as a minimal electro track, now #3 has haunting echo, and could have fit in easily on any of the RiverRuns.

Thanks so much for sharing with us, boys!

[testudo]

nice


http://www.underworldlive.com//home/FoneStrap3/mainColumnParagraphs/00/asset/FoneStrap3.mov

[change]

I think this is a fascinating way to show us some insight to their writing process. Months ago there was a thread asking which songs fans wanted on an official release most, and my first thought was "all of the unreleased versions of our favorite songs." I just quoted myself. Anyway, I love this idea and hope to see more of it in the future. This is really great stuff.

[potatobroth]

Fonestrap2 is hypnotizing. I absolutely love it. It has the same feel as Ansum-with-beats at the opening of their live shows. This is exactly the kind of groove I like to hear before they get into their act. Wonderful.

[swillhite]

madonna vibe on this one :p

yes, definitely a madonna/orbit vibe on this, the vocal melody reminds me a bit of michael stipe too...

[stimpee]

Fonestrap3 is just great. the best yet.

[joethelion]

wow...

fonestrap3 is fantastic

it really sounds like it took the best portions of the previous two versions and combined them.

[Bargo]

Version 4 is up and is AWESOME. Bloody good stuff, I'm loving the evolution of this song!!

[holden]

Fonestrap 4 sounds like they added the Romford or SF walk recordings to the background, plus some lovely pads that brought back a STITI feel for me.

Any way to save this? I have the other 3 versions as .mov files and will convert them all to mp3.

[foxlake]

Fantastic ! I love the last one, my favourite :)

[the real stuff]

oh the fourth one is wonderful -- feels like bumbling through a familiar city at night with beautiful sights everywhere. warm and dreamy.

the vocals sound a little disconnected to this feeling, but it's probably because I'm still more used to 1, 2, and 3.

[Ufotofu]

Wow...this fourth one is amazing. It's so etheral, and beautiful- ghost-like, almost. I love it.

[joethelion]

what's the download link for the fourth version?

[Troy McClure]

I believe the link is:

<http://www.underworldlive.com/home/FoneStrap4/mainColumnParagraphs/00/asset/Fonestrap4.mov>


If that doesn't work, I've been able to save it via my temporary internet files folder. Hope that helps out. Jason

[Cadevil]

I believe the link is:

<http://www.underworldlive.com/home/FoneStrap4/mainColumnParagraphs/00/asset/Fonestrap4.mov>


If that doesn't work, I've been able to save it via my temporary internet files folder. Hope that helps out. Jason
http://www.underworldlive.com/home/FoneStrap4/mainColumnParagraphs/00/asset/Fonestrap4.mov

[viddy]

Love this. Awesome stuff fellas.

[joethelion]

thanks for the link

...anyone else wonder why none of the files so far have been able to be directly downloaded from UWlive? (as in, there's not a download link, etc)

[toilet trained]

fantastic idea to show not just an 'evolution' of a piece, but what can be atchived from different view points.

as someone said, version 4 has lush pads, yet the vocals seems disconnected, distant. version 3 has more imediacy, like sitting infront of a campfire listening to a guy calmly pluck something away ona guitar.

which ones better? well i guess it depends on your mood.

[joethelion]

anyone notice that the 'city sounds' in version four are from that "San Francisco Walk - Version" file?

[dubman]

version 5 up now.
i still think the first one is the best but i dont mind. keep em coming :D

[grady]

I hope they'll keep all the different versions up over time so the progression and altering of a piece can be observed. Similar to how Biro the Leggy was something from the archives of the AHDO period, played on a radio show on dirty radio, and has now ended up an album track.

The difference being with fonestrap that we're allowed the access to the work in progress as it developes which was previously only privy to a select few, let alone put on display for the public.

Not to be too lauding of such a feat, but I can't help but admire Rick and Karl that much more for their willingness to share in this way.

[foxlake]

I love the last one, again and again...thanks a lot to share these versions , really... :)

[TheBang]

This must be the "with Bells" version. :)

[joethelion]

hmm... very cool version

But this is so different than the other versions, I don't think you could really compare it to the others

again - what's the d/l link?
I already tried just using the fonestrap4 address, but switched the '4' for '5' and that didn't work...

[Cadevil]

This must be the "with Bells" version. :)

Looks like the LA version to me...;)

[foxlake]

hmm... very cool version

But this is so different than the other versions, I don't think you could really compare it to the others

again - what's the d/l link?
I already tried just using the fonestrap4 address, but switched the '4' for '5' and that didn't work...

http://www.underworldlive.com/home/Fonestrap5/mainColumnParagraphs/00/asset/Fonestrap5.mov

if you use firefox, you can have the direct' links of files (or medias..) on your current page. :)

[joethelion]

you know... I've always used safari

but last weekend, I actually tried out Firefox... I think I need to just sort of 'train' myself to use that instead

[dirty30]

I can't get any of the fonestrap links.. ( I believe it is down )

could someone please upload it somewhere?

Thx much!

[sanakan]

how about waiting for a bit, until the uwlive site is back up again?

[scary man]

Fonestrap 1 seems to have gone from underworld live. I can't get the links people have put up on this thread to work.

Can anyone help?

[TheBang]

This one still works.

http://www.darktrain.org/dirty/forums/showpost.php?p=76966&postcount=23

[scary man]

This one still works.

http://www.darktrain.org/dirty/forums/showpost.php?p=76966&postcount=23

It's not working for me. I just get through to the hosting site with no sign of the file anywhere.

[TheBang]

Click the button that says "Free". Then enter the CAPTCHA code, and click the "Download via ......." button. That should be it.

[mmm skyscraper]

It's not working for me. I just get through to the hosting site with no sign of the file anywhere.

or check your pm box :)

[the real stuff]

thoughts on Phonestrap6(/Autotrader4):

now this is different! frentic yet controlled, exciting and disorienting. I really like it. (edit) looking forward to it being posted on the site.

[Cadevil]

I love this track towards the end...has a real Tin There feel to it.
Especially like all the layered vocals.

[big screen satellite]

phonestrap 6 vs autotrader 4 was the bestest...

i'm waiting for the full upload on the site, in the next couple of days...

[Blueski]

phonestrap 6 vs. autotrader 4 was mega!

[King of Snake]

wasn't really digging the phonestrap/autotrader thing. Sounded like the two crashed together in a big mess of undefined sounds. Was good hearing a bit more upbeat techno-ish peace from uw again, but there were too many sounds going on imo. It started getting good at the end though when only the bassline and beats where left.

[holden]

i thought this latest version was pretty cool....the text spliced and used as another rhythm. At the very beginning, the colors being called out was a callback of To dream of love, imo. Agreed, it did get a bit messy in the middle, piles of speech. i can't make out the phonestrat lyrics anymore, either. But the beat and that rolly bass got me grooving!

[galama]

Can somebody fill me in on this? I heard phonestrap and autotrader on UWlive...but i'm not quite clear on the creative proccess behind versions 3,4,5 and so on.

[holden]

Can somebody fill me in on this? I heard phonestrap and autotrader on UWlive...but i'm not quite clear on the creative proccess behind versions 3,4,5 and so on.

i think it's just little documents of Rick and Karl's creative process shaping a track. From version to version, we hear the evolution, what sounds they liked, which fall by the wayside.
Autotrader started with just karl speaking the listing of cars for sale. In successive versions, the words have been spliced a bit, ambient background added, and "music of the streets" included.
Phonestrap has changed a lot from the initial guitar and voice song, to become more electronic.

[negative1]

wasn't really digging the phonestrap/autotrader thing. Sounded like the two crashed together in a big mess of undefined sounds. Was good hearing a bit more upbeat techno-ish peace from uw again, but there were too many sounds going on imo. It started getting good at the end though when only the bassline and beats where left.

yeah, i agree with this..
however the songs still evolving, so eventually it may get
to be more listenable..

still to early for my tastes..

later
-1

[phaseblue]

more listenable..

Are you kidding me? I mean it wasn't exactly a fine tuned peice of work like Jumbo or Born Slippy, but the way the sampled vocal patterns evolved/changed was just mindblowing! With all the relaxed (and still beautiful) stuff Rick and Karl have been putting out lately, this was a very welcomed, almost old school, Underworld moment!

A pure wall of sound!!!

[irons]

I was almost unimpressed with the individual tracks (the Phonestrap series and the Autotraders); I thought it was nice that we could hear something like that, but they were so raw that I never really considered them "tracks." With the introduction of Phonestrap 6 + Autotrader 4, I really felt a solidness behind the otherwise airy stuff we had received before. On subsequent listens, I have come to agree that there's a heap of sound that wears me down in the song, but it's certainly something "more than the sum of its parts" and it blew me away the first time I heard it. I can't wait for further versions.

[the real stuff]

oh I'm with you, phaseblue. this is good stuff. I've always loved when they use choppy vocal segments (especially in those live incarnations of the original Born Slippy in the 90s ... oh what I would give to see 'em play that again).

it's something to get lost in.

this whole phonestrap process is pretty cool. what more can fans ask for than a glimpse at how an Underworld track evolves? exciting.

[phaseblue]

[quote=the real stuff](especially in those live incarnations of the original Born Slippy in the 90s ... oh what I would give to see 'em play that again).
[quote]

Oh yes!!!!!!:D

[lloyd]

Original BS was played in Luxemburg again, 2005.
Phonestrap6 vs Autotrader 4 is up UWlive now.

[change]

I officially love this version with autotrader. Something to get lost in indeed. And yes, the choppy vocals are great. My favorite riverrun track was Back in the Fears with the layered vocals... this is similar to that, but more frantic.

I've already said it, but I still think this is an excellent treat as a fan to get a glimpse of the process...

Oh, to raid the Underworld vaults and hear all the wonderful evolutions like we hear with the Phonestraps. :)

[Cadevil]

Any link for download?

[galama]

mmm phonestrap meets autrotrader, 6.

[Jan]

http://www.underworldlive.com/home/Phonestrap6/mainColumnParagraphs/00/asset/Ph6At4.mov

[Flywaver]

Anyone agree that Phonestrap 1 would of fit in nicely on OWB?

[happiness stan]

Thanks to anyone that has posted the Phonestrap links.
Did anyone post a download to the 'Walking around Romford or whatever it was called' snippet?

[King of Snake]

Anyone agree that Phonestrap 1 would of fit in nicely on OWB?

yeah, and it is still my favourite of the phonestrap versions :)

[eithne50]

....Any chance of a link to mp3 downloads of Autotrader/Phonestrap - particularly of Phonestrap6/Autotrader4?
Forgive my nakedness...I'm a DirtyVirgin.

[dubman]

if you have itunes you can just download the mov and convert...

[eithne50]

if you have itunes you can just download the mov and convert...
Sorry, Dubman, but at the risk of seeming ignorant, how do I do this? Have tried in various ways without success.:confused:

[TheBang]

Jan posted a link just above you.

http://www.darktrain.org/dirty/forums/showpost.php?p=81767&postcount=83

Right click, Save as...

[eithne50]

Thanks to dubman, Jan and The Bang....

[0to9]

what program can you use to turn ponestrap into mp3's to put on a audio cd??

[industri_studios]

iTunes can do the conversion...

[0to9]

how do you do that with streming audio / do i need software to change it from streaming to mp3 audio thanks don't know to much about steaming audio

[geoff]

It's not streaming... 99% of the things you watch online are in fact just downloads that start playing before they are finished downloading completely.

If you ever see a progress bar that fills up to the end, you know it's a download, not a stream.

If you get the "Unplug" addon for Firefox (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2254) you can scan any page for downloadable media. It works like a charm for the stuff you see on uwlive, except for the Croc videos, which may in fact be actual streams. (Not sure - i'm not 100% knowledgable about this stuff, but i can make my way around.....)

[TheBang]

Yes, the Croc videos are streams.

[0to9]

yes they are somekind of stream they do not load on to your hard drive.every time you click on one of the phonestrap audio.it brings you to the underworldlive site and starts playing the song in quick time i don't think you can burn them to a cd ..i'm i wrong please help????????

[geoff]

0to9:

The Phonestraps are not streams.

Use the Firefox addon I described above to save the .mov file to your hard drive. Or, just use the various download links that people have posted in this thread.

Example: http://www.underworldlive.com/home/Phonestrap6/mainColumnParagraphs/00/asset/Ph6At4.mov

From there, you can do what you like. According to industri_studios, you can use iTunes to perform a conversion from mov to mp3.

Hopefully this just rips the mp3 out of the mov file without decoding/encoding it again. (If not, you'd be adding another layer of lossyness to the file). But it will work regardless.

Good luck

[TheBang]

The audio on the .mov files is not MP3, it's AAC, so transcoding to MP3 would indeed be lossy re-encoding. You can use QuickTime Pro to pass-through the AAC track to an MP4 container to get a straight .m4a file. I imagine you could use MPEG-4 editors to extract it also. I have used YAMB before on MPEG-4 files with great success.

[industri_studios]

I thought AAC was compressed... is the loss coming from a switch between two compression formats?

[cacophony]

aac is compressed, so you've already got less data than the original file. if you then convert to mp3 you lose a little bit more of the information. it's basically cascading lossy compression. the ideal situation is to do as described above, where you leave the compressed file unaltered and just essentially pass through to a different file extension.

of course not everyone is going to be able to figure the process out so just keep in mind that the cascading is worse if you compress twice with the same algorithm, and is more likely to be audible. if you absolutely must convert, choose a different algorithm to try to hide as much of the audible loss as possible.

[TheBang]

AAC and MP3 are both lossy compressed formats.

1. lossy source -> lossy format = quality loss (ex. AAC -> MP3, 128 Kbps MP3 -> 192 Kbps MP3)
2. lossy source -> lossless format = same quality, huge file size increase (ex. MP3 -> FLAC)
3. lossless source -> lossy format = quality loss, huge file size decrease (ex. CD-DA -> MP3)
4. lossless source -> lossless format = same quality, up to 50% smaller or larger file (ex. WAV -> FLAC, FLAC -> AIFF)

[industri_studios]

I know that stuff, Bang - I was curious where the concern was in your original message - and cacophony hit that nail on the head. Thanks guys...

[TheBang]

I know that stuff, Bang - I was curious where the concern was in your original message - and cacophony hit that nail on the head. Thanks guys...
I guess I'm confused then. If you knew everything from my last post, then the concern about a lossy re-encode in my original message would seem self-evident, would it not? :confused:

[industri_studios]

I think you misunderstood my question (giving me the overview answer).

I was asking about one particular format and was curious what the transition was for that format to MP3... cacophony answered that.

No worries.

[holden]

I made a CD comp of all the Phonestraps to date, and just used some crappy mp3 maker shareware to convert the mov to wav. Nice to hear these all back to back and sense the differences.

Phonestrap6 vs Autotrader is really my favorite thus far, with that slinky bassline and mechanical beat. Sounds like something from the AHDO era. And unlike the more chilled out new abum, it bangs!

[0to9]

i;ve been trying to do the same with all of the phonestrap audio but can't seem to figure out how to convert them to wav .can you let me know step by step how to convert them ..when you have the time thanks..0to9..................................