toronto oct 2002 gig

[ndrwrld]

gooneygoogood !
thank you.

[sloff]

I agree. My friends and I were floored when Dirty Epic started.

[patrick]

WHAT?!??!??!?!?!

tell me more!?

[Dirty0900]

http://www.dirty.org/underworld/tour-complete.php?id=140

Not much info though;)

[patrick]

well i was there! it just sounded like chris has heard it... being that yannick always hinted at that... and that they just got together in TO i think.......


DMAN

[ndrwrld]

... and that they just got together in TO i think.......


DMAN
nice guess Sherlock.:p

[oceanic]

Hey ndrwrld! Are you sharing this?

[patrick]

nice guess Sherlock.:p
screw you if you don't share this!



wahhhhhhhhhh

[stimpee]

I have this in FLAC. I plan to release it as is via RTSR (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rtsrboardoftrade/), which is where all live trading conversations should be taking place. I finally got this off Yannick a few months back who's been sitting on it for years. I won't be working on the quality of the audio with any audio tools (the quality is pretty damn good as it is) but I'll chop it up into individual tracks and will tag and label all tracks.

[sloff]

I've been wanting this forever.

I'll give you candy for it.

[the real stuff]

awesome. something to look forward to.

[ndrwrld]

I have this in FLAC. I plan to release it as is via RTSR (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rtsrboardoftrade/), which is where all live trading conversations should be taking place.
ummm...i never said id ' release ' this anywhere, anyhow ' , to anyone here, nor anywhere.
and if i decide to share this with anyone, it wont be completely public on here, because id hate to get your girdle in a knot.
oceanic...message me on soulseek sometime...we need to talk.

[BeautifulBurnout]

ummm...i never said id ' release ' this anywhere, anyhow ' , to anyone here, nor anywhere.
and if i decide to share this with anyone, it wont be completely public on here, because id hate to get your girdle in a knot.


No. You were just bragging, you swine! :p :D

[ndrwrld]

No. You were just bragging, you swine! :p :D
maybe a bit.:o

[BeautifulBurnout]

After the shit you and Samrahl have just been through you deserve something nice :D








Gimme Gimme Gimme!:p</muttley>

[stimpee]

ummm...i never said id ' release ' this anywhere, anyhow ' , to anyone here, nor anywhere.
and if i decide to share this with anyone, it wont be completely public on here, because id hate to get your girdle in a knot.
oceanic...message me on soulseek sometime...we need to talk.no you didnt. but bragging has the same effect. however, it has forced me into working on it and i'll release it on RTSR asap. Then your mates at Tribe can get their copies too ;)

[stargurl]

ummm...i never said id ' release ' this anywhere, anyhow ' , to anyone here, nor anywhere.
and if i decide to share this with anyone, it wont be completely public on here, because id hate to get your girdle in a knot.And yet you posted about having this file on another forum, then arranged for it to be freely shared online after somebody offered to host it. Why act like you have something super-rare that you're not going to share on one forum, then publicly brag about it on another?

[oceanic]

Yikes. I won't even ask for it, ndr. You might get a spanking.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Dear oh deary me.

If he has been given permission to share it, (and no prizes for guessing where that permission has come from) what's the issue here exactly? If RTSR people have had this and been sitting on it for whatever reason, surely ndrwrld is right to offer this to the larger community? Many people have never heard this gig in its entirety and, while they would prefer to have a good quality copy of it, if there is any copy available at all, I am sure they would want to hear it. Or is it about who controls the releases, because that is what this is beginning to sound like.

I don't remember any clause in the RTSR code of conduct that bans members from sharing things with other people for free, or obtaining copies of gigs not yet available from other people, members or not.

[stargurl]

I have no problem with the sharing of the file, especially if permission's been given. I was there, it was a great show, and I'm happy that a bootleg exists.

I just find it kind of unfair for someone to say here that something hasn't been released, and that a decision hasn't been made about sharing it, when they've already posted it somewhere else.

Who knows, maybe the download link posted on the other forum was sent by PM to people on here - that would seem the fair thing to do, wouldn't it?

[BeautifulBurnout]

I have no problem with the sharing of the file, especially if permission's been given. I was there, it was a great show, and I'm happy that a bootleg exists.

I just find it kind of unfair for someone to say here that something hasn't been released, and that a decision hasn't been made about sharing it, when they've already posted it somewhere else.

Who knows, maybe the download link posted on the other forum was sent by PM to people on here - that would seem the fair thing to do, wouldn't it?
I am sure you are fully aware of the protocols concerning the sharing of bootlegged concerts through Dirty. Links are never posted on this forum, or if they are they are disabled. RTSR is the habitual sharing place for UW boots. However, it is not the only place gigs are shared, as all members of RTSR know full well, and members of Dirty are under no obligation to share their material solely and uniquely through RTSR. If permission has been given to share, there is no reason why ndrwrld shouldn't make it knows that he has this on Dirty so that anyone interested could contact him directly. How he worded his response to the moderator's habitual, if a tad over-zealous, reaction is really neither here nor there imo, and gets into the area of splitting hairs.

Nice to see you posting here with a bit more frequency though. You're Stimpee's friend from the Orbital forum, aren't you? We met at ILT. :)

[stargurl]

I know the rules, and I wasn't asking for a link to be posted (after all, I am a member of the other forum) :)

Yes, that was me at ILT. Great night, but landing in Brussels from Toronto at noon that day then going there without even having a nap was perhaps not my best idea ever. Looking forward to ILT this year (KRAFTWERK!) and thankfully it will be a shorter commute, since I'm now living in Eindhoven, NL.

[ndrwrld]

i wonder how many dirts on here, who may take my actions ( having someone post a link to the Tor oct 2002 gig on another forum ) as wrong or immoral. i didnt acquire this gig from RTSR...ive never traded anything there...and i didnt post a link anywhere on DIRTY to this gig.
i wonder, the very same people who ive ' put off ' by doing this...how many of you have ever shared ANY official Underworld songs ( or albums for that matter ) on any p2p programs.
EVER.
this gig hasnt, nor does it seem, will ever be publicly released .
and someone gave me permission...it wasnt stimpee...maybe hes just pissed that ive done this before him.
either way, im not gonna answer to anyone for what ive done.
ive just made a shitload of Toronto peeps extremely happy, allowing them the access to a gig they never imagined was recorded.
if i get a PM from Karl Rick or Darren, and only them, showing their displeasure in my actions, i will sit in the corner for a month, and consider my bad bad actions.
i will also weep.

[BrotherLovesDub]

now if only someone would eq the bass properly and do some minor work, this would be worth listening to, until then, this is all hot air for a basically intolerable listening experience.

i don't think anyone felt like their toes were stepped on, i just think they didn't want the links shared here or even discussed here. thats the point of the trading board.

enough about Toronto anyway, i want that NYC 2002 gig in soundboard quality. oh, and Glastonbury 1999 from a source that doesn't have FM interference.

thanks.

[ndrwrld]

stimpee brought up my friends at Tribe.
thank him.

[patrick]

i think stimpee's problem was that you were teasing everyone here and some of us had no way for us to get it (i don't know about tribe). and what resulted (and would even more) is just a bunch of people begging for it due to your post, which makes it his problem

[ndrwrld]

wasnt teasing at all.
i rarely if ever go on RTSR.
EVER.
so how could i possibly know who does, and doesnt have this gig.
someone gave it to me, outside RTSR.
i saw the disks...they were in my dvd player...ive been waiting 4 years for this piece of music.
i never told anyone here how i got it.
i then asked, and was given permission to share this...outside DIRTY.
and i did.
then Stimpee did some digging, and found out my Tribiliscious friends were oh so hungry for this.
and judging from the thank yous, im glad i did it.
if i ruffled some feathers, so be it.
i wasnt looking to start a riot.
looks like i did.

[Yannick]

shill out kids, and eat the nice steak mmm yum, and make your glass fly away im sure they love it

[BeautifulBurnout]

i think stimpee's problem was that you were teasing everyone here and some of us had no way for us to get it (i don't know about tribe). and what resulted (and would even more) is just a bunch of people begging for it due to your post, which makes it his problem
I'm sorry but I can't quite see how this makes it "Stimpee's problem". If ndrwrld is sharing this and has been given permission to share it then I am sure he will share it wherever he can with fans. If Stimpee is producing a better quality version of it and releasing it on RTSR at some stage, so much the better. There is no property in bootlegs. RTSR don't "own" them any more than anyone downloading something from Dime or Oink does. Unless it is the person who recorded it claiming "ownership" and putting restrictions on sharing, which is another matter altogether.

Yes it would have been nice to have had a better version of this sooner rather than later. But if the RTSR crew haven't got the time to work on this and release it, I don't see the problem in releasing a lower quality version in the interim if that is what people want. And they clearly do.

[King of Snake]

now if only someone would eq the bass properly and do some minor work, this would be worth listening to, until then, this is all hot air for a basically intolerable listening experience.


I'm working on it.
I don't know if i'm gonna do a complete "master" like the HMH gig, but at least i'll try and fix the bassproblem.

[patrick]

i meant stimpees problem solely in the fact htat there is sharing discussion on the underworld forums which is not desired.

anyhow. i really actually don't care. i am just really happy i can hear this recording... but saying sorry is always a easy way out of things

[stimpee]

My initial problem was not with the fact that anyone had this. I dont care about that. Its that all bootleg discussions should be over at RTSR. That was my only point. In future I hope it will be. This is how its always been. Thats all.

But, to talk about it in this case seems as we are here, I have gone thru the recording and made the track markers and CUE file ready to auto-chop and tag the resulting files that I sent to KoS. This will be released via RTSR asap.

[samralh]

shill out kids, and eat the nice steak mmm yum, and make your glass fly away im sure they love it

....that glass was found....unharmed. :p

[underworldrob69]

What about the pontiac/detroit gig, i was told by someone who frquents this forum that this show was recorded also, would love to get ahold of that one also since i was there.

[ndrwrld]

talking about the sharing of RTSR related goodies on DIRTY is taboo.
you shall now be spanked.

[BeautifulBurnout]

talking about the sharing of RTSR related goodies on DIRTY is taboo.
you shall now be spanked.
RTSR!









;)