"I'm a Big Sister..." thread.

[dubman]

so... what do we think?

it's an incredibly lush release. i asked earlier how things can get more chilled after PFE in slight disbelief, and this is how that's done. talking about an ambient underworld album a couple years back too.. seems to have finally yielded itself in the form of this 30 minute release.

routinely calm for an unusual 5 minutes, then it just dives into full involvment. pretty exhilirating, and it pulls back again as if it never happened. pulsates in some of riverrun's warmest parts. every element used as a rhythm to make it a smooth block of sound. lots of spoken bits throughout, and a little bit of recycling from other songs. 'wedge' (i believe it's called) is one of karl's finest moments. also fairly large surprise at the end, music-wise.

it doesn't disappoint, let's say... or understate. at least on par with previous riverruns.

[BeautifulBurnout]

One word. Sublime.

[big screen satellite]

s'nice

thanks for the early delivery

[Bargo]

Best of the three, in my opinion. Absolutely loving every track, though I can't pick a favourite just yet. This is exactly what I needed to hear right now.

[Mike]

Hmm.

"Ansum Part 3" :)

I need to listen to it in my car, its easier to feel the 'power' behind ambient tracks when your driving.

Right now, its not something i will listen too time and time again...

I guess i do appreciate the ambient Underworld, but not for 30 minutes.. im sorry to say this but i just find parts of it boring!

Strangley, its JAL that remains my fav RRP track - i think mainly because of its lyrical quality, but also its energy and rythym...

Mike

[m.g.]

Mmm... i love it. Just love it. Beautiful. And the "early delivery" is soooo nice...

[dubman]

early deivery is fine, but that means i'm a couple hours behind schedule today due to this bag of awesome, which screws the rest of todays events for me.
but...ah, i'll live :D

[Dirty Canuck]

Perfect Night-Driving-Music........
Peach Tree is my pick for this batch.......the way "11 hundred hz." blends into it reminds me of "Please Help Me".
For all those wishing for something a little more uptempo, keep in mind that standard releasing may have not permitted this side of U/W to be shown.....
The piano piece at the end is simply beautiful......
Now, back to listening........

[mark3]

After the second listen, I'm a lot more positive. At first, I found it a bit boring, but it is actually really good, especially the first part. I hope Peach Tree gets a proper release. But the slideshow is definitely not my cup of coffee.
Pizza for Eggs is still my favourite, probably followed by Big Sister

[Dirty0900]

Noticed that some of the spoken stuff said on this release was played just before the "Heal all bodies track" on the dityradio broadcast.

I cant get the slideshow on to iTunes any hints on getting it on there and how to get it in on to an iPod [never done it before] Actually, i cant get it to work at all. Help!

[Stephen]

Anyone else notice that the file name is '05 I'm a big...'?

Does this mean there were 2 other potential RiverRun releases since P4E that never saw release?

[big screen satellite]

Anyone else notice that the file name is '05 I'm a big...'?

Does this mean there were 2 other potential RiverRun releases since P4E that never saw release?

is it a year prefix...??

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

My guess is 03 and 04 will be the extended, blended freebie come July.

Sublime is right, BeautifulBurnout.

[the real stuff]

check the covers of LBT and PFE -- they're 03 and 04 respectively.

who knows what 01 and 02 are.

[Stephen]

check the covers of LBT and PFE -- they're 03 and 04 respectively.

who knows what 01 and 02 are.
Prize to that man!

Can someone go apeshit over what 01 and 02 might be please?

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

I stand corrected. Same diff. nonetheless.

[gambit]

Lush. Grooving. Sublime. I can dig ambient like this.

[froopy seal]

One word. Sublime. ??? I don't think they (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sublime.jpg) have anything to with it. :p

[BeautifulBurnout]

??? I don't think they (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sublime.jpg) have anything to with it. :p


Maybe not..... but they seem to have the Lemonworld dog! :eek::p

[froopy seal]

but they seem to have the Lemonworld dog! :eek::p
No, they are dogless.

(Argh, I'm kicking myself right now for not spotting that stupid, non-existing dog. How could I not see it?!)

[34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j]

This one seems to blend better from one song to the next, and the quality of the music is pretty great. Definetely could go for more stuff like this...I think it's up there with the last one in terms of quality. But the 160 kbps makes me angry...why can't we even get 192 again, if not even better?

But good stuff, regardless!

[the mongoose]

Not only is the "Sister Princess Girl" mp3 file in 160kbps.........it's 48kHz as well......meaning it won't burn to cd (without converting it and making it sound EVEN SHITTIER!!!!!)


:mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Liam]

Do you think that last piece involves Gabriel Yared? It doesn't sound like their usual style and I know that Yared is a pianist, which, to the best of my knowledge, neither Rick or Karl are.

[mmm skyscraper]

I like it. If they put this and LBT together it would be about as long as AHDO and probably just as good.

I would buy this as a cd release.

Personally, the 160k doesn't matter. I think the 96k radio broadcast sounds ok. It took me 3 hours 3 min and 40 sec to download, so the higher birate would have just taken longer. Now maybe if they left the slideshow off it wouldn't have been so bad . The joys of 56k. :)

LBT - UWR-0500003-1
P4E - UWR-0500004-1
TOKYO CD - UWR-0500007-3
I'm a Big Sister... - UWR-0600013-1

on my PFE track the ID3v2 tag lists it as track #2, so maybe the cat number and track number do not match. I don't have LBT on this computer, does anyone have its track #?

so we're missing 1, 2, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 :) (or we have Factory numbering and some of these are stationary and statues)

Too many technical issues with the slideshow. The audio works, but I can't the pictures yet. Oh well.

[Mike]

Do you think that last piece involves Gabriel Yared? It doesn't sound like their usual style and I know that Yared is a pianist, which, to the best of my knowledge, neither Rick or Karl are.

I heard that they have a small pianist :)

[stauff]

Nice. I like this chilled stuff.

Does anyone speak Japanese? UW have been putting in a few spoken Japanese bits recently. In the piece at about 22:30, the girl says 「俺のせいじゃない」 or "ore no sei ja nai". This is a fairly masculine phrase, so it seems weird to hear a woman saying it :)

Just thought I'd mention.

- Matthew

[the mongoose]

After trying to convert it and getting nothing but sped up garbage.......

I tried the program Nero which allowed me to burn it at 2x speed only. At least now I can listen to it for the first time on something other than crap computer speakers.

If I can make an mp3 in 320kbps then holy crap I know that master Rick can....so this is just crazy!:(

[BeautifulBurnout]

Maybe the whole purpose was to make it difficult to burn to CD, so people couldn't bootleg it and sell it on eBay/Japanese Yahoo/whatever?

[Bargo]

I'm on my third listen now, and christ this is good. Finally I have something to replace Ansum with when I want a nice, long UW ambient piece to listen to.

I didn't honestly notice the 160kbps thing until the forum went up in arms about it, but it doesn't worry me. It's not like I'd know the difference anyway.

If anyone has trouble viewing the art, try playing the MOV in VLC (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/), that worked for me no worries.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Do you think that last piece involves Gabriel Yared? It doesn't sound like their usual style and I know that Yared is a pianist, which, to the best of my knowledge, neither Rick or Karl are.

Style-wise, it made me think of Keith Jarrett when I first heard it. But it has got its own uniqueness about it that I like very much indeed. Who knows?

[TheBang]

Too many technical issues with the slideshow. The audio works, but I can't the pictures yet. Oh well. The video is encoded in H.264, and thus, requires QuickTime 7 (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download) in order to play back.

[big screen satellite]

The video is encoded in H.264, and thus, requires QuickTime 7 (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download) in order to play back.


yeah - upgrade ya cheapskates ;)

[King of Snake]

ooh, christmas time :)
So apparently this release was not in fact gonna be more harder stuff, but even more chilled. Enjoying this so far, not quite as much as the last one but good, and it'll probably grow on me.
The 160 kbps/48 Khz thing is really weird though. I'm not one who can tell the difference but it sure is a strange choice of format, especially since the previous ones were better quality.

[sanakan]

hey, 2^8 posts :D

[hugh121spike]

with plenty of bangin UW tracks out there and gemz like JAL still flowin, im over the moon with this blissful 30 mins. This side of underworld has made them stand out to me in the 'world of techno'!

Cheers boys, lookin forward to the mysterons....

H

[TheBang]

yeah - upgrade ya cheapskates ;) They'd have to be HUGE cheapskates, considering QuickTime is free. :)

Not that I want to contribute to the bitrate debate, but the 2 videos are practically identical. The codecs are the same (H.264/AAC), and the only difference is the container (QuickTime vs. MPEG-4). Because iPods, QuickTime, and iTunes can play H.264/AAC in either container, it was really only necessary to include one of the videos (either one). That could have saved 10 MB in the archive size which perhaps could have gone to a 192 Kbps MP3.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Please don't delete threads with (IMO) VALID complaints/questions just cause you no likey.

Not deleted. Just merged. And rightly so.

Considering out of the last 10 posts you have made on the forum, 8 have been whiney ones. We get the point. Some of us agree, some don't. Whining about it isn't going to change the minds of those that don't agree with you.

Or are you just gonna keep your posting another thread about it until everyone says they agree with you? :rolleyes:

[stimpee]

Maybe the whole purpose was to make it difficult to burn to CD, so people couldn't bootleg it and sell it on eBay/Japanese Yahoo/whatever?Its still very easily possible to burn it to CD but that would result in a loss of quality, because CDs use 44.1khz and this audio uses 48khz.They'd have to be HUGE cheapskates, considering QuickTime is free. :)PC users who don't with to install Quicktime 7 can choose to install QuicktimeAlternative (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/QuickTime_Alternative.htm) which isnt as CPU/memory intensive as the Apple player and doesnt continously bug you to upgrade to Quicktime Pro. The benefits and download link are listed on the URL above.Not that I want to contribute to the bitrate debate, but the 2 videos are practically identical. The codecs are the same (H.264/AAC), and the only difference is the container (QuickTime vs. MPEG-4). Because iPods, QuickTime, and iTunes can play H.264/AAC in either container, it was really only necessary to include one of the videos (either one). That could have saved 10 MB in the archive size which perhaps could have gone to a 192 Kbps MP3.If Underworld's service provider is charging them for bandwidth usage then reducing the archive size by 10mb per download makes a bigger difference than the upgrade to 192kbps/44.1khz.

[denkbat]

I guess I was one of the first to point out the 160kbps bitrate, but I didn't mean to complain... It's more of a source of confusion than anything else. But I now understand that the final size of the package is an important factor, especially since several users still struggle with low bandwidth.

The quality is good. Quite adequate for those of us who just throw it on our iPods and stroll down the street. But yes, there are people who will notice. Some have high-end hardware, and others simply want to make CDs.

But rather than complain, it would be better to ask that the Riverrun releases are made available in a lossless format to those who have paid for them. This way, people get a choice of quality. CD-quality, or the originally released 192/160kbps quality that's appropriate for portable players.

So yes, let's stop complaining, but let us still voice our opinions to the UW-people about how we'd want these releases to be. They might want feedback, but in a polite manner. The "I'd rather download illegally"-comment is way out of line, and totally unacceptable. Particularly since they DID make this package available to us a day in advance.

And the music is good! It's a nice day to be an Underworld-fan :)

And let's all be friends ;)

[Jan]

To my ears it sounds great. And the music is also superb. Of course a higher bitrate would have been nice, but i probably would not hear the difference anyway.
But it's great that this recording apparently was not compressed and/or limited. (http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2961/bigsisterwaveform4uy.png) :)

my fist attempt to make a cuesheet (tested with foobar2000):
FILE "05 I'm a Big Sister, and I'm a Girl, and I'm a Princess, and this is my Horse.mp3" MP3

TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "11 Hundred Hz"
PERFORMER "Underworld"
INDEX 01 00:00:00

TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "Peach Tree"
PERFORMER "Underworld"
INDEX 01 05:39:52

TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "Mowed Path"
PERFORMER "Underworld"
INDEX 01 09:47:25

TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "Showlder"
PERFORMER "Underworld"
INDEX 01 14:41:70

TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "Wedge"
PERFORMER "Underworld"
INDEX 01 18:35:27

TRACK 06 AUDIO
TITLE "'piano piece'"
PERFORMER "Underworld"
INDEX 01 28:12:44
Please don't moan about this.;)

I'm not sure, but maybe 11 Hundred Hz is the piano piece at the end? The opener would be part of Peach Tree then.

[potatobroth]

wow. downloaded this morning and had my first listen. its got superb mixing, great new sounds with a few beats, but overall not my cup of tea. this doesnt have any of the repeat-listen value that other UW music has for me. i did enjoy my entire first listen, but i just dont see myself popping this back in as oftern as RR1 or DNBWMHM etc. Way too chill for my personal liking.

[undarrenworld]

Thanks Jan for that, it helps;)

[stimpee]

To my ears it sounds great. And the music is also superb. Of course a higher bitrate would have been nice, but i probably would not hear the difference anyway.
But it's great that this recording apparently was not compressed and/or limited. (http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2961/bigsisterwaveform4uy.png) :)That shows that its not clipped. Post a spectrum wave and you'll get a better picture of the quality compared to the other releases.

[Jan]

That shows that its not clipped. Post a spectrum wave and you'll get a better picture of the quality compared to the other releases.
What will you see besides the lowpass? (which is the same btw: IABS~16000hz, LBT~16000hz)

I think clipping/limiting is much worse than a 16000 lowpass. Look what they did to old classics (on 1992-2002):
Pearls Girl (http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1773/pearlsgirl7my.png) (STITI top, 1992-2002 bottom, both normalized to show the difference)
Dirty Epic (http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/9798/dirtyepic2hj.png) (dubno top, 1992-2002 bottom)
You'll definately lose 'punch' here.

Thank god that they did not do that to their new release.

[chimp]

Okay Okay Okay!!!

I'm EXTREMELY sorry. It's my fault. I messed up. :eek:

You're right - the audio was encoded at 160k rather than our standard 192k.

I've corrected this - and the new zip is up for you all to download at your leisure. Lucky we let you download more than once really!

Very sorry to you all and thank you for being so on the case.......

[lloyd]

Thnx mike.
Now the sensitive people can listen to it without their world falling apart.

[big screen satellite]

Thnx mike.
Now the sensitive people can listen to it without their world falling apart.


ahhh now its better...

the end of the world has been cancelled....

normal service has been resumed, what can we moan about now??

[lloyd]

There's far to few cowbell :(

[big screen satellite]

There's far to few cowbell :(


yeah, well i'm waiting for the Colour Quicktime movie, its not the 1950's you know - whats with the B&W images...??1!!?1


c'mon underworld sort it out


:p

[BeautifulBurnout]

Thanks.

Listening now.

Can't hear the difference! :p

[crazysugarboy]

Have just downloaded and am listening now - sublime is the word!!:)

I've obviously got the reformed 192kbs version - however, I can't open the quicktime images:( - but I will see what version of qt I have and msg again.

[mark3]

I can't open the quicktime images:( - but I will see what version of qt I have and msg again.
Did you try renaming the file (something.mov)? I had the same problem...

[the real stuff]

Crisis averted, indeed.

I couldn't tell a lick of a difference, but thanks again for keeping on top of things team UW.

[King of Snake]

What will you see besides the lowpass? (which is the same btw: IABS~16000hz, LBT~16000hz)

I think clipping/limiting is much worse than a 16000 lowpass. Look what they did to old classics (on 1992-2002):
Pearls Girl (http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1773/pearlsgirl7my.png) (STITI top, 1992-2002 bottom, both normalized to show the difference)
Dirty Epic (http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/9798/dirtyepic2hj.png) (dubno top, 1992-2002 bottom)
You'll definately lose 'punch' here.

Thank god that they did not do that to their new release.

ha, i never even really noticed that but yeah it's quite a difference.
I do love the "open" sound of STITI, even though you have to turn up the volume a bit more than most modern releases, at least you get dynamics.

[stimpee]

You're right - the audio was encoded at 160k rather than our standard 192k.

I've corrected this - and the new zip is up for you all to download at your leisure. Lucky we let you download more than once really!

Very sorry to you all and thank you for being so on the case.......Thanks for correcting this. I did say in this post (http://www.dirty.org/forums/showpost.php?p=43559&postcount=15) that:In the past, some Underworldlive.com releases have been wrongly encoded and then re-released later giving users the ability to re-download them. If this is one such mistake then I'm sure UW/management know about it and will rectify it.and I'm happy to say that it was the case. Have a little faith next time will you? :cool:

I hate to say "I told you so" but... "I told you so". :p

[mmm skyscraper]

I didn't realise which version of Quicktime I had and the stupid auto-updater doesn't tell you that version 7 exists. I don't want itunes, so I'll try the VLC player and the the QT stand alone if it doesn't work.

I think I'll just keep the 160 version for now.

[holden]

i'm just playing "I'm a big sister..." over and over. It's so multifaceted and full of subtle yet effective sounds. and though i'm not a huge fan of ambient music, this release does what UW always do so well... challenge expectations and take you on an audio journey. With the preference for vocal sounds and samples rather than lyrics, the voice as instrument is explored here perhaps more than any other UW release.

Just wondering, though...are the tracks listed anywhere? Jan, i appreciate your making the cue sheet...just not sure what to make of the last piano bit. Is it a separate track? Interesting that it's not mixed with the previous.

[GoatSucker]

Appreciated. Listening now... very nice.

Okay Okay Okay!!!

I'm EXTREMELY sorry. It's my fault. I messed up. :eek:

You're right - the audio was encoded at 160k rather than our standard 192k.

I've corrected this - and the new zip is up for you all to download at your leisure. Lucky we let you download more than once really!

Very sorry to you all and thank you for being so on the case.......

[mmm skyscraper]

If anyone has trouble viewing the art, try playing the MOV in VLC (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/), that worked for me no worries.

Worked great!

[TheBang]

Here's another cue sheet. Thanks, Jan, for the initial one. Pretty sure the first part is all Peach Tree, and the last track is 11 Hundred Hz.

TITLE "I'm a Big Sister, and I'm a Girl, and I'm a Princess, and This Is My Horse"
PERFORMER "Underworld"
FILE "05 I'm a Big Sister, and I'm a Girl, and I'm a Princess, and this is my Horse.mp3" MP3
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "Peach Tree"
PERFORMER "Underworld"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "Mowed Path"
PERFORMER "Underworld"
INDEX 01 10:03:00
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "Showlder"
PERFORMER "Underworld"
INDEX 01 14:58:70
TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "Wedge"
PERFORMER "Underworld"
INDEX 01 18:35:27
TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "11 Hundred Hz"
PERFORMER "Underworld"
INDEX 01 28:12:44

[Banstylin']

I Agree with you TheBang, this should become the official cue sheet except I feel that 11 Hundred Hz should start with the note right away as in Jan's version so I suggest change it to :

TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "11 Hundred Hz"
PERFORMER "Underworld"
INDEX 01 28:12:44

[holden]

Loving this more and more with each listen. Certainly not as urgent as the beat-heavy "Lovely Broken Thing" or darkly lyrical as "Pizza For Eggs", but these soundscapes are just beautiful!

Anyone catching the vocal samples, some we've heard before: "I'm a lonely bollock. Sometimes, happy bollock"! Throughout "Peach Tree" there's a phased and vocoded female voice, sounds to me like "I'm not imitating..."

Also, have you noticed that this latyest River Run, but indeed all of them, have made a lot of use of inserted silences? That is, the music or Karl's vocals have short spaces of silence at various frequencies, so it sounds very spaced. "Peach Tree" does this with the two pads, but the frequencies at which they alternate are different, so that sometimes they construct and sometimes they are out of phase. Karl's vocals on "Mowed Path" are also very spcaed, making them sound "beep"-like. I think the delays are used a lot on the guitar parts on "P4E", especially.

[dog]

uck, lovely broken thing is good... but since then the series is getting progressively worse.

they need to stop releasing these b-sides and crack on with the full album!

[stimpee]

uck, lovely broken thing is good... but since then the series is getting progressively worse.

they need to stop releasing these b-sides and crack on with the full album!Karl already said that these releases are from the archive and that work continues on the album. Some tracks may be considered to be b-sides, but some of Underworld's best work has been on a b-side :) If these releases really were slowing down their album release proper then I might see how someone could complain, but since theyve been working on the album and on the soundtrack (and now another soundtrack), your argument is a bit redundant. Horses for courses, as they say. Some like it, some dont.

[TheBang]

I Agree with you TheBang, this should become the official cue sheet except I feel that 11 Hundred Hz should start with the note right away as in Jan's version so I suggest change it to :

TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "11 Hundred Hz"
PERFORMER "Underworld"
INDEX 01 28:12:44
Yeah, I was using a bad splitter on my Mac, and when I used that timing, it cut the first part of the piano note into the previous track. I tried it with Cue Splitter on a PC though, and that timing seems correct, so I've fixed it on my cue sheet. Thanks.

[34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j]

Personally, I thought LBT kinda blew it, what with the first three tracks being awesome and the rest being boring as hell. I do like the sound of the release though...I think that it should be longer, as UW doesn't get much of a chance to just sit down and chill out. Sort of the direction I was expecting them to take with the RRP, but this time I don't really hear any standouts, nothing like "JAL to Tokyo" or "Back in the Fears" that could be played live.

[undarrenworld]

I like it more and more!!!

[BeautifulBurnout]

I have been listening to this loads over the past couple of days. For me, Peach Tree is a masterpiece. The transition from Peach Tree into Mowed Path gives me total goosebumps every time, it is so beautifully crafted and balanced. And the final piano piece is quite lovely, with undertones of Keith Jarrett about it (as I prolly already said somewhere, I think).

In terms of what will be on the album and what won't, though, I would be surprised if much of the RiverRun stuff made it to an album at all. Not because it doesn't deserve to be there, but because it strikes me that this was a very definitive non-physical project, a new way of marketing music as complete "pieces" rather than singles/EPs/albums. From that point of view, all three releases have been a great success for me. Each has its own flavour and emotion about it. I am still not decided whether Big Sister is my favourite of the three or not, but it is a difficult decision to make. :)

[spacefish]

Yeah, I was using a bad splitter on my Mac, and when I used that timing, it cut the first part of the piano note into the previous track. I tried it with Cue Splitter on a PC though, and that timing seems correct, so I've fixed it on my cue sheet. Thanks.

This time also worked using MP3DirectCut. Thanks!

[testudo]

uck, lovely broken thing is good... but since then the series is getting progressively worse.

they need to stop releasing these b-sides and crack on with the full album!


more like 1 a-side with 4 c or d sides (for the other RRs)... :(

but as for this RR i feel this is final a RR that I can
FULLY sink my teeth into (for the other RRs I could
only listen to select tracks). This release doesn't
really have stand out tracks, but it doesn't need it
AT ALL and I wouldn't want it.

...now that it has been re-encoded to 192 I have no
complaints at all.

THNK YOU uNDrWrLd:D

[undarrenworld]

I have been listening to this loads over the past couple of days. For me, Peach Tree is a masterpiece. The transition from Peach Tree into Mowed Path gives me total goosebumps every time, it is so beautifully crafted and balanced.

Well said. I 100% agree with you;)

[holden]

listening to "I'm a big sister" these past three days has inspired me to revisit my old Orb records! Not too bad, this ambient music (provided it has a beat every now and again!);)

It could be the longer track times or the sparse (in placed) arrangements, but i agree with BeautifulBurnout that the transitions are tops! Most seamless mixing of the three RiverRuns, i think.

Too bad the total time for the three releases comes to ~84 min...can't get it all on one CD ( i know, try overburning, right?). But even if i could, i'd not know how to order them..such different styles! Do you shuffle? Do you keep em chronologic?

[Jan]

Just curious, but those splitting programs produce gaps at track transitions, don't they?
If you have foobar2000 0.9.x or a newer Winamp or a DAP which supports gapless playback (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Gapless) (my rockbox (http://www.rockbox.org/)'ed iriver H120 does) you could also use this (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=35654) tool, that cuts mp3s perfectly.:) I'm not going to destroy that wonderful mixing with gaps.

[stimpee]

As has been discussed before (http://www.dirty.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3505), cuesplitter for both mac and pcs will cut mp3s perfectly. I have studied the mp3 file and have made minor adjustments to the CUE provided here and will publish it soon (Adobe Audition crashed on me! :()

[undarrenworld]

Who like that quicktime video?

[ultradave]

I have now listened to this about 6 times since d/l.

The ambience is brilliant. It's a wonderful journey and I definitely intend to take this trip a few more times this week.

This was definetely a treat to my ears. The last 2 releases, although great, and good, did not have have this kind of impression on me.

There's no feeling like the feeling of goose bumps while listening to music.

R&K - bravo!

[the real stuff]

After about 8 listens, I agree, this really has moved me more than the previous riverruns.

Peach Tree is just epic, especially on repeated listens. There's a lot going on here that totally transports me. I love it :)

This is also the first riverrun where I've hesitated slicing it up into individual tracks. I think I'm going to keep this one whole.

[amoe]

Sounds like Shpongle. (By which I mean brilliant).

[dog]

I think i probably come over as i'm not a big underworld fan as many of the things i post are negative, but its not so!

I do own 20+ underworld cd's, majority of which i appreciate, but i just feel that time on the riverrun project should be spent on crafting the new album which i have high hopes for. Maybe its a case that the current releases have never fit my mood, as i think with most ambient music you have to particulary be in that "zone". Months down the line i may love the new release, who knows!?

I want the new album to be very much upbeat, ala 2 months off style, to make me happy!

[Scott Warner]

everyone is enjoying this before me as I'm in NZ at the moment. I cry.

[dirty050505]

Anyone else hear the "riding home" sample?

[undarrenworld]

Anyone else hear the "riding home" sample?

No :( , at what time did you heard that?

[stimpee]

No :( , at what time did you heard that?peel session i think.

[dirty050505]

No :( , at what time did you heard that?

Its at roughly 15 minutes 10 seconds but its not obvious. Unless I'm hearing things!

[mark3]

Its at roughly 15 minutes 10 seconds but its not obvious. Unless I'm hearing things!
Throughout the release I hear this 'laughing girl' sample which they used at one (or more?) of their gigs. Is that the one you're thinking of?

[dirty050505]

Throughout the release I hear this 'laughing girl' sample which they used at one (or more?) of their gigs. Is that the one you're thinking of?


Clearly the laughing girl bits are there throughout but i'm convinced at 15:14 there is the same vocal sample as the start of the Peel show.


loving peach tree at the moment though. Well done boys with this release.

[BrotherLovesDub]

dirty is right, it was the first thing i noticed. professor called me to say "where did i hear this before?"

same sample as in the beginning of Luetin from Peel Session.

[swillhite]

please forgive my ignorance here but how do you view the slideshow that came with Big Sister? my PC is not recognizing the file type (either the itunes or quicktime version).

thanks-

[mark3]

please forgive my ignorance here but how do you view the slideshow that came with Big Sister? my PC is not recognizing the file type (either the itunes or quicktime version).

thanks-
You need to rename the file - [name].mov

[Dirty0900]

Yer, i hear the riding home sample to, nice spot!

[undarrenworld]

Yer, i hear the riding home sample to, nice spot!

Yeah, I second that, nice spot...

Riding Home...

[dubnobasswithme]

please forgive my ignorance here but how do you view the slideshow that came with Big Sister? my PC is not recognizing the file type (either the itunes or quicktime version).

thanks-

also, be sure that you've upgraded to the latest version of quicktime too. i think that might be part of the problem.

[Jan]

I heard that guitar sample they played in benicassim before Rez...

[mmm skyscraper]

dirty is right, it was the first thing i noticed. professor called me to say "where did i hear this before?"

same sample as in the beginning of Luetin from Peel Session.

It's also at the beginning of Pizza for Eggs. Well not the exact sample, but some of that part from the peel session is in PFE.

[sunflowereye]

This is a brilliant masterpiece of beautiful, hypnotic, ambient bliss. Bravo! I think this release just blew away the past 3 Orb albums. The transition from "Showlder" to "Wedge" is almost too much. IMHO "Wedge" is definitely the winner here, although "Peach Tree" is a close second. The soundscapes are fantastic. Awesome mixing on this release! "Big Sister" definitely my fav of the three. This release and the recent Radio broadcast have been wonderful. Many thanks to Underworld. Absolutely superb.

[dubman]

everyone is enjoying this before me as I'm in NZ at the moment. I cry.

no you're not. you're having fun.

anyway, i'm surprised that no one pointed out (or is it SO obvious that it needs no mention) the Ansum recycling running throughout the second half...

[joethelion]

no one's mentioned that?

I just never bothered to post about it, b/c I figured someone else had noticed it before me... but it's really not too much of the track that's reused, just that one bit of synth

but it did make me wonder if all these RR tracks were - 100% new recordings, or if some were finished outtakes from previous LP's, or if like - they were sortof half songs from a while ago, then refurbished and tweaked into a final version, you know?

[dubman]

thats such a major part of the song though. even half-asllep it surprised me a bit.
it's so blatant.

[King of Snake]

for a bit of fun, check out the bit from one of the previous radioshows where they played one second bits of new material at the end. There's quite a few Riverrun tracks in there :)

[crazysugarboy]

This is a brilliant masterpiece of beautiful, hypnotic, ambient bliss. Bravo! I think this release just blew away the past 3 Orb albums. The transition from "Showlder" to "Wedge" is almost too much. IMHO "Wedge" is definitely the winner here, although "Peach Tree" is a close second. The soundscapes are fantastic. Awesome mixing on this release! "Big Sister" definitely my fav of the three. This release and the recent Radio broadcast have been wonderful. Many thanks to Underworld. Absolutely superb.

I totally agree with this sentiment - the first track is simply what u/w do best ie conjour up a soundscape which expresses a feeling of utter terror within a landscape of sublime beauty (I once felt that, for real, while walking along a footpath in order to visit a ruined abbey near Shrewsbury, UK, and that track sums up that emtion perfectly). The closing spoken piece "I'm a big sister...these are the rails, and these are the weeds, that live in the cracks, at the back of the world" are just so beautiful and profound, spoken by a Mike Skinner-ish guy with a hint of sadness/regret in his voice, it almost brings me to tears.

Thank you Rick and Karl, yet again, for some truly superlative music xx

[chimp]

please forgive my ignorance here but how do you view the slideshow that came with Big Sister? my PC is not recognizing the file type (either the itunes or quicktime version).

thanks-


We've uploaded a new version of the "I'm a big sister...." bundle, with the QT embedded in an html page. You view this in a web browser and should solve any incompatibility issues. Download the package again, and you should be good to go. Good luck!

UW HQ

[big screen satellite]

you know when this was first posted by CHIMP the post detail on the front page of the forums is shortened and it read

Thread Name: I'm Big....

Last Post by Chimp

so to me it read:

"I'm a Big... Chimp

well it made me chuckle....

[crazysugarboy]

We've uploaded a new version of the "I'm a big sister...." bundle, with the QT embedded in an html page. You view this in a web browser and should solve any incompatibility issues. Download the package again, and you should be good to go. Good luck!

UW HQ

It still doesn't work for me:confused:

[Jan]

I am using Firefox 1.5.0.4 with Quicktime Alternative (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/QuickTime_Alternative.htm). That works. ;)

[crazysugarboy]

quicktime doesnt like me - why are there so many fing variations???

[TheBang]

It still doesn't work for me:confused:
What version of QuickTime do you have? What error message does it give you when it doesn't play? How doesn't it play? Do you hear audio only and get blank white video? Does nothing play at all? Details?

[the real stuff]

you know when this was first posted by CHIMP the post detail on the front page of the forums is shortened and it read

Thread Name: I'm Big....

Last Post by Chimp

so to me it read:

"I'm a Big... Chimp

well it made me chuckle....
link (http://www.dailyfiber.net/lemoncam-may2006/webcam33.jpg) ;)

(10 chars)

[TheBang]

We've uploaded a new version of the "I'm a big sister...." bundle, with the QT embedded in an html page. You view this in a web browser and should solve any incompatibility issues. Download the package again, and you should be good to go. Good luck!

UW HQ
lol, you guys added a text track to it. I love the onomatopoeia.

[crazysugarboy]

What version of QuickTime do you have? What error message does it give you when it doesn't play? How doesn't it play? Do you hear audio only and get blank white video? Does nothing play at all? Details?

I have quick time version 7.1. I downloaded "Im a Big Sister..",
but when I open the slideshow folder, it contains a folder called "media" and a click me firefox html file of 3kb. The "media" folder contains 2 folders called ipod video and quicktime, both of which are empty! When I click the firefox "click me" html ikon, it opens a "Im a Big Sister slideshow" tab with the quicktime logo appearing for a split second only

[TheBang]

The "media" folder contains 2 folders called ipod video and quicktime, both of which are empty!
Well, that's definitely a problem. Inside the "iPod Video" folder, you should have a file called "05 Slideshow (I'm a Big Sister, and I'm a Girl, and I'm a Princess, and this is my Horse).m4v". Inside the "QuickTime" folder, you should have a file called "05 Slideshow (I'm a Big Sister, and I'm a Girl, and I'm a Princess, and this is my Horse).mov". The file in the "QuickTime" folder is what is referenced in the click-me.html page, so with that missing, that would explain why it's not loading.

Try downloading it again. If you have the same results (missing files), you might want to try a different program to unzip the archive (and what ARE you using to unzip the archive?). Also, one other question if you still have problems, what operating system are you using? If you're still having problems, my suspicion is that the () in the file names are causing problems with your unzipping program and/or your OS filesystem.

[crazysugarboy]

Well, that's definitely a problem. Inside the "iPod Video" folder, you should have a file called "05 Slideshow (I'm a Big Sister, and I'm a Girl, and I'm a Princess, and this is my Horse).m4v". Inside the "QuickTime" folder, you should have a file called "05 Slideshow (I'm a Big Sister, and I'm a Girl, and I'm a Princess, and this is my Horse).mov". The file in the "QuickTime" folder is what is referenced in the click-me.html page, so with that missing, that would explain why it's not loading.

Try downloading it again. If you have the same results (missing files), you might want to try a different program to unzip the archive (and what ARE you using to unzip the archive?). Also, one other question if you still have problems, what operating system are you using? If you're still having problems, my suspicion is that the () in the file names are causing problems with your unzipping program and/or your OS filesystem.

This is insane!!! I had the same probs with splitting the lemonworld broadcast - ie i couldnt for love nor money. I have just bought the file again and downloaded it. It is now telling me that the compresed file is invalid and/or corrupted

[TheBang]

You didn't have to buy it again. Just log in to underworldlive.com at the Members link, and it will show up in your "Downloads" section.

As for being invalid or corrupted, the server has been a little overloaded and slow recently, so your download may have been interrupted before it finished downloading. The file "I'm_a_Big_Sister,_and_I'm_a_Girl,_and_I'm_a_Prince ss_and_this_is_my_Horse_{261194}.zip" should be 62.2 MB.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Sorry to repost on this subject but maybe people haven't read that far back.

I dunno if anyone has tried what Lloyd originally suggested to me when I had trouble playing the slideshow i.e. renaming it to something more simple (I just called mine 05 Slideshow.mov). After that it played fine.

Don't ask me why or how, I am not geeky enough to explain it. :p

[crazysugarboy]

You didn't have to buy it again. Just log in to underworldlive.com at the Members link, and it will show up in your "Downloads" section.

As for being invalid or corrupted, the server has been a little overloaded and slow recently, so your download may have been interrupted before it finished downloading. The file "I'm_a_Big_Sister,_and_I'm_a_Girl,_and_I'm_a_Prince ss_and_this_is_my_Horse_{261194}.zip" should be 62.2 MB.

Many many thanks bang for being patient with me - I have finally succeded:) - my only conclusion is that I wasn't extracting the files from the zipped folder after I had downloaded them:eek:

[change]

Sorry to repost on this subject but maybe people haven't read that far back.

I dunno if anyone has tried what Lloyd originally suggested to me when I had trouble playing the slideshow i.e. renaming it to something more simple (I just called mine 05 Slideshow.mov). After that it played fine.

Don't ask me why or how, I am not geeky enough to explain it. :p

Ditto. My computer told me that the name was too long. What a smart computer. So I too renamed it and it worked perfectly. :)

[TheBang]

Many many thanks bang for being patient with me - I have finally succeded:) - my only conclusion is that I wasn't extracting the files from the zipped folder after I had downloaded them:eek:
Whew. Glad we finally got it straightened out. :)

[denkbat]

I wasn't extracting the files from the zipped folder after I had downloaded them:eek:One thing I hate about Windows is that it presents such archives as if they were regular folders, making less experienced users believe the files are ready to be opened. A terrible feature!

[King of Snake]

you can disable that feauture though.

[denkbat]

you can disable that feauture though.But would a less experienced user have done that? ;)

[paul de aragon]

......................

[TheBang]

I noticed something interesting today. While listening to the 12-15-2005 Lemonworld webcast, towards the end of the Aquafunk section (from 1:56:36 – 1:57:10 in the webcast), the guys sneak in Wedge underneath the Aquafunk beats.

[Flywaver]

You sure its not King Of Snake intro? Or am i listening to wrong webcast :confused: !?

[TheBang]

Nope, pretty sure it's Wedge. It just kinda sneaks in there, really subtly, under the Aquafunk beats, and then fades out again about a minute later.

[the mongoose]

Holy Shit....

Fast forward to 18:43 into the "I'm a Girl, and a I'm a Big Sister, and I'm a Princess, and This is My Horse" and listen to the high pitched squeeky voice that says "loooves to be touched.....with a glass eye on you...electric eye on you who could dance like you, act like you, pleasure dance like you.... keep it simple.....one foot in front of the other......never part this sky..etc" all the way through....and after the 'normal voice's "loves to be touched" vocals you can hear a low pitched "wiiith aaa glaaaaasss eeeyeee ooon yoooou"

I would have never heard all of that without hearing Holding the Moth first.....all I heard before was "loves to be touched" and that's it!
:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[negative1]

yeah, i've just been going through all the riverrun releases lately too..

good catch mongoose...funny seeing how things evolve?

later
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[paulgj]

Hi, first post here. New Underworld convert.

I am wondering if the 192kbps version of this .zip file is still available? I looked on the UnderworldLive website with no option to purchase. I downloaded the 128kbps mp3 that was hosted on Soundcloud.

Would love to have the original.

Thanks!
Paul

[TheBang]

Yes, unfortunately, the digital cupboard on the Shop is rather bare right now. The Shop was the only place that it was ever available for purchase.

There are a couple things you could try. First, you could try e-mailing hello@underworldlive.com and ask if they would re-post it for purchase, or sell you a copy somehow.

The other thing you could do is try to find a copy of this promo:

http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-The-Riverrun-Series/release/989610

Welcome to the forums!

[freezedried]

You can still download them, in lossless too. You just have to go through Google to get to the pages that aren't linked on the shop currently.

http://underworldlive.spinshop.com/Wavs/details/108924

[dubnobasswithme]

You can still download them, in lossless too. You just have to go through Google to get to the pages that aren't linked on the shop currently.

http://underworldlive.spinshop.com/Wavs/details/108924

Crazy! Nice find :)