what is underworls really about?

[popeye34]

what is this band really about besides playing electronica????
what does there name mean exactly and do they worship satan?
on one of there album covers they have a pentegram inside the O which makes me think that inside the music there is more meaning as far as what they as musicians are trying to occomplish. what are they promoting?
if someone knows any info about this band on what they are really about i would appreciate if you post reply.

[potatobroth]

hmm. i dont know what they are about, but its certainly not satanic worship. a pentagram is an upside-down star. the star in the-very-old album covers is a right-side-up star. its just a star man.

[the real stuff]

good vibes, good vibes.

[adam]

tits and ass

[popeye34]

yeah ok ok
with a name like undeworld and they do play trancy music with all sorts of sounds. ever heard of the THE BOARDS OF CANADA? there known to add subliminal messages in there music, not to be said the same thing about this band but what is this band really about as far as religiously and what are there views? theres hardly any info about them. do you really know what trance music promotes, because i do and thats why im asking what up with this band. i personally love electronica but i prefer to know what the band is about. im a musician myself and i believe that all music has a spiritual meaning.

[the real stuff]

trolling 101: see user popeye34

[adam]

yeah boards of canada tried to order me to jump into a volcano

[holden]

what is this band really about as far as religiously and what are there views? theres hardly any info about them. do you really know what trance music promotes, because i do and thats why im asking what up with this band. i personally love electronica but i prefer to know what the band is about. im a musician myself and i believe that all music has a spiritual meaning.

Hmm, their religious views are probably private for a reason, because it is a personal thing that can either attract or alienate people, reghardless of what religion they were to adhere to.

i'm only speculating, but Karl's been known to say "God bless ya!" to the crowd during live shows, and they are supporters of the Buddhist Film archive, the Meridian Trust.

[stimpee]

I think Underworld are religion-free. no hidden messages, but thanks for your contribution. Anyone have any satanism evidence?

[Dirty Canuck]

Lemonworld is my church; R and K are the gateway to my heaven.....

[GoatSucker]

and do they worship satan?

Wow! Personally, I think you should listen to at least some of a bands music before jumping into a forum with a question like that.

Here's a clue - I don't care what religion any member of the band has, and I don't care about yours either. Satan is about as relevant as Thor. Do they worship Thor? Don't know and don't care.

[stimpee]

Satan is about as relevant as Thor. Do they worship Thor? Don't know and don't care.Wow. Thor. Norse gods rock. By Odin.

[bryantm3]

my theory:
-karl struggled in the 90s with whether there was a god or not, and went through some pretty bad experiences, and then he discovered the good things in life, and that there was a god, and he isn't particularly religious as in going to church, but he believes in god and prays. just my theory.

and satan is very real. whether or not his name is satan or pluto or apollo or whatever, i believe there is a manifestation of evil, just as i believe there is a manifestation of good, call him God, Allah, Buddah, Zeus, whatever you wish, but that's my belief.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Has to be the work of the Devil. Definitely.

Let's face it, anything at all worth enjoying in life is a "sin", and Underworld bring me such pleasure that it can't be anything other than the Devil tempting me from the straight and narrow.

And when you think about it, there are some pretty bizarre references in their choons too. "Dirty numb angel boy" in BS Nuxx for instance. A "dirty" angel could only be a fallen angel, right?

I am also worried about subliminal messages in everything. Even when there are no lyrics at all, I find myself sometimes in a trance-like euphoric state after listening to some of Underworld's stuff. The very name itself, a reference to Hades, means hell doesn't it? I wonder if they are just softening our brains to be able to control our thoughts. I think it is even worse if you listen on headphones, cos then you are blocking out all normal stimuli and just subjecting your brain to these devilish beats and layers.

And also microwaves. Not the kind you heat your food in though, but the kind that the government transmit through so-called mobile phone antenna. I deal with those by putting aluminium foil inside my hat so that nothing can penetrate.

I would stop listening to Underworld at all if I were you. Wouldn't want to take the risk of being turned away by St Peter when the day comes.

[Cadevil]

Wait wasn't there just a thread about playing a sample backwards from one of the gigs?

Maybe they are trying to hypnotize us, guys...

[jose m]

come on popeye,don't leave it there,what is underworls really about?

[froopy seal]

I deal with those by putting aluminium foil inside my hat so that nothing can penetrate.
Inside your _hat_? Bloody amateur! It belongs inside the _head_... mwahahahaha...

[froopy seal]

what is this band really about besides playing electronica????
Sex, hugs and rock'n'gear!

[big screen satellite]

oh my god...what the fuck...,they play music, make art, give good vibes...have fun

i'd hardly label Underworld as trance either...

why does everything have to come back to fucking religion *mad* now...please don't turn this into a world thread...troll off

the only religion here is Music...there is no deeper messages

well, except maybe "cloud hat remember this"

[King of Snake]

I think the quote in my sig says it all really :)

[big screen satellite]

I think the quote in my sig says it all really :)

you satanist!

[mmm skyscraper]

Wait wasn't there just a thread about playing a sample backwards from one of the gigs?

Maybe they are trying to hypnotize us, guys...

althought the sample is just Karl talking about late night radio and thinking he's being followed by someone hiding in trees. Paranoia.

and then there's that live sample that says I'm a big sister, and I'm a girl, and I'm a princess. and this is my horse. Sounds like a pledge for a cult to me. :D

[Future Proof]

yeah ok ok
with a name like undeworld and they do play trancy music with all sorts of sounds. ever heard of the THE BOARDS OF CANADA? there known to add subliminal messages in there music, not to be said the same thing about this band but what is this band really about as far as religiously and what are there views? theres hardly any info about them. do you really know what trance music promotes, because i do and thats why im asking what up with this band. i personally love electronica but i prefer to know what the band is about. im a musician myself and i believe that all music has a spiritual meaning.

Fuck off. Or else me and Underworld sacrifice you next.

Sorry, I just can't be bothered with this crap of "well you know what trance music promotes". Excuse me, how can trance promote anything at all? 99% of it is lyric-free and when there are lyrics it's normally some unintrusive, borderline absurd thing being looped like "Bicycle Hat! Bicycle Hat! Bicycle Hat! Bicycle Hat!"

You know what trance and Underworld promote, really? Like someone else said, they promote good vibes. Unlike modern religion, which tells you how bad you are, turns people into judgemental sheep and turns U.S. elections into referendums on boys kissing instead of more worthy stuff like national security, the homeless and how in the hell do we exit Iraq.

You're selling your troll shit and I'm not buying. So like I said before, fuck off... and have a blessed day. ;)

EDIT: Actually I have to make a retraction, Underworld promotes good vibes; trance only promotes shopping sprees at Abercrombie And Fitch. My apologies... ;)

[jose m]

my english and internet speak isnt very good,i think i get the idea what a troll is but can someone explain? and i know about the hairy creatures!:)

[Rog]

yeah ok ok
do you really know what trance music promotes, because i do

Well perhaps you should enlighten us all with your undoubted knowledge of such things...................:rolleyes:

[Rog]

Has to be the work of the Devil. Definitely.

Let's face it, anything at all worth enjoying in life is a "sin", and Underworld bring me such pleasure that it can't be anything other than the Devil tempting me from the straight and narrow.

And when you think about it, there are some pretty bizarre references in their choons too. "Dirty numb angel boy" in BS Nuxx for instance. A "dirty" angel could only be a fallen angel, right?

I am also worried about subliminal messages in everything. Even when there are no lyrics at all, I find myself sometimes in a trance-like euphoric state after listening to some of Underworld's stuff. The very name itself, a reference to Hades, means hell doesn't it? I wonder if they are just softening our brains to be able to control our thoughts. I think it is even worse if you listen on headphones, cos then you are blocking out all normal stimuli and just subjecting your brain to these devilish beats and layers.

And also microwaves. Not the kind you heat your food in though, but the kind that the government transmit through so-called mobile phone antenna. I deal with those by putting aluminium foil inside my hat so that nothing can penetrate.

I would stop listening to Underworld at all if I were you. Wouldn't want to take the risk of being turned away by St Peter when the day comes.

I knew it.....i bloody well knew it..........BURN THE WITCH!;) :D

[Liam]

Airl Towel, Dirty Epic, Skym, Trim and countless other tracks by Underword are all track number 6 on their respective CDs. If you take any three of these tracks, what do you have? 666, the sign of the devil my friend! Coincidence? I think not!

[King of Snake]

my english and internet speak isnt very good,i think i get the idea what a troll is but can someone explain? and i know about the hairy creatures!:)

a troll is someone who comes into forums only to knowingly stir up trouble, often to dissapear after one or two posts, but if enough people react to it they might stick around to throw more oil on the fire, so to say.
not saying that's definitely the case here but it does look like it.

[jose m]

thanks:):) :)

[adam]

...sudden...urge...buy...bicycle hats...

[Anji]

what is this band really about besides playing electronica????
what does there name mean exactly and do they worship satan?

ROFLMAO

The underworld I knew, as in Freur & Underworld MK1 were just a load of people with an "out there" humour! Anyone who remembers that phase of their career and ever heared the old "Uncle Jeff" ramblings would tell you.:D

Freur decided to change their name, as they were sick of the stick they got by having a name sounding like someone throwing up LOL.

I remember one drunken gig @ Marquee they (Rick, Karl, Bryn & Alfie) were taking about the name change, we were throwing many names back & forward and getting nowhere.

They got a commission to write the music to a upcoming film called Underword. Not anything like the one released a year or so ago, with Kate Beckinsale. We all trolled down to the Premier @ Leicester Square, afterwards we said "THERE'S you new name up on the bill board"

They are as Satanic as Andy Pandy ;)

[stimpee]

I suppose youre talking about this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090233/) Clive Barker adaptation from 1985 then?

from imdb reviews: "The sets are awful (the neon tube underground lab looks like a Gary Numan stage set). The costumes are awful (the gangsters dress like Duran Duran). The music is awful, and the dialogue is awful. The script is so bad its difficult to imagine Barker had anything to do with it."

[mmm skyscraper]

I suppose youre talking about this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090233/) Clive Barker adaptation from 1985 then?

from imdb reviews: "The sets are awful (the neon tube underground lab looks like a Gary Numan stage set). The costumes are awful (the gangsters dress like Duran Duran). The music is awful, and the dialogue is awful. The script is so bad its difficult to imagine Barker had anything to do with it."

That's the one. It's also called Transmutations and can be obtained pretty cheaply on video. It's actually pretty funny.

best quote: "Welcome to the underworld."

[//\/\/]

ROFLMAO

The underworld I knew, as in Freur & Underworld MK1 were just a load of people with an "out there" humour! Anyone who remembers that phase of their career and ever heared the old "Uncle Jeff" ramblings would tell you.:D

Freur decided to change their name, as they were sick of the stick they got by having a name sounding like someone throwing up LOL.

I remember one drunken gig @ Marquee they (Rick, Karl, Bryn & Alfie) were taking about the name change, we were throwing many names back & forward and getting nowhere.

They got a commission to write the music to a upcoming film called Underword. Not anything like the one released a year or so ago, with Kate Beckinsale. We all trolled down to the Premier @ Leicester Square, afterwards we said "THERE'S you new name up on the bill board"

They are as Satanic as Andy Pandy ;)

cracking post, grommit! :)

[big screen satellite]

That's the one. It's also called Transmutations and can be obtained pretty cheaply on video. It's actually pretty funny.

best quote: "Welcome to the underworld."

i have it on VHS & Two DVD's both as 'Transmutations' and as 'Underworld' - you can get the DVD for less than a fiver, but its a very shit film...so unless you are a big fan o Underworld's dubious origins or the source of about 4 rare / unreleased Freur tracks...then i'd leave it well alone...

I bought it mainly because of the Freur Soundtrack, which as far as i have ascertained, is not available on any format apart from Celluloid...

although there is a rumoured 4 track cassette type promo from the time with the tracks on it...Jazz Brain is one such track...as is Red Dog's Theme...

[mmm skyscraper]

I bought it mainly because of the Freur Soundtrack, which as far as i have ascertained, is not available on any format apart from Celluloid...

although there is a rumoured 4 track cassette type promo from the time with the tracks on it...Jazz Brain is one such track...as is Red Dog's Theme...

surely there is a master tape of the tracks somewhere. makes you wonder where that is sitting.

[freur]

underworld soundtrack:

-Theme from the underworld
-Cocktails
-Red dog's theme
-Jazz Bain
-Choir
-Nicole (unconfirmed)
-Unkonwn track

[//\/\/]

"dun difrunt too" - whassat all about? (interested because "do different" is my university's motto - wondering if you went there too...)

[Anji]

-Nicole (unconfirmed)

IIRC it was named Nicole's Song

LOL @ views on Film, well it WAS the bizzare 80's and nobody did Bizarre better than Freur/Underworld right then ;)

I for one was shocked that people like Denholm Elliot & Art Malik put their names & faces to it it was so naff. But being part of that "scene" at the time, we all went along for the ride of our lives LOL


"dun difrunt too" - whassat all about?


Remixes! They start with a tune, change it and the changed version became "dun difrunt too" LOL

They were always evolving, from one tune to the next. I am only suprised they have stuck with Dance/Trance so long! They never liked "staying in the same place musically" for too long. Don't be suprised if they try and become the next Elvis LOVL. Karl being a self confessed MEGA Elvis fan :eek:

One of the Best film soundtracks they did (IMHO) as Underworld Mk 1 was Promised Land for Wild Orchid

[freur]

IIRC it was named Nicole's Song


What's IIRC?

[Anji]

Sorry! if I recal

[//\/\/]

IIRC it was named Nicole's Song


What's IIRC?

If I Remember Correctly :)

[Anji]

That'll do too LOL

[//\/\/]

heh! (hadn't spotted your's...) (not that i want to put acronyms in your mouth!)

[Anji]

LOL, just a point I'd like to mention. Luuurve your personal Pic //VV :D good ole Hartley!

[popeye34]

How did we get off the topic of this thread to talk about something totally diffrent??? Say what you want, but unless you have some experience in religion and politics and music you should'nt be talking soo much.
Like I said, Music is a very spriritual tool and depending on the type of spirit and ambience of one's soul, thats what get's transferred. Music has always been about the spirit, it's not just about playing music and theres nothing to it. My question wether underworld is satanic was'nt to accuse, but to ask because, like I said I like electronica, dance, trace and all sort of of stuff that has some relation with it, but recently I have been a bit parranoid and carefull about subliminal messaging thru music especially since alot of trance music is based on "obviously going into trances" and feeling like an out-of you-body experience that shit is well know as somewhat satanic by some religions......all though hinduisn and budhism believes in meditation that is considered to be somewhat of a traced-state-of-mind. Dont believe me! Look it up on GOOGLE about trances and some site's will have very precise information regarding this, and im telling you, it will freak you out...I dont know how I started to look this up, but I did and now I can't turned back. I did'nt want to stir shit up, because i personally like some tracks from UNDERWORLD, but im a big believer in GOOD and EVIL and I'd rather not listen to them if they and there music is influenced be you know who...........Look up THE BOARDS OF CANADA they play electronica-trance and youll see that they have and even admitted to adding subliminal messages about bad wierd shit. Maybe consciously you dont get it or hear it, but subconsciously the mind react's.
You may critizice me for my post, but I have enough experience musically and somewhat spiritually to say what i say...........

[BeautifulBurnout]

I bent my wookie :(

[BeautifulBurnout]

How did we get off the topic of this thread to talk about something totally diffrent??? Say what you want, but unless you have some experience in religion and politics and music you should'nt be talking soo much.


Religion - check.
Politics - check.
Music - check.

I still think you don't have all your dogs on one lead though, mate.

[King of Snake]

trance music is based on "obviously going into trances" and feeling like an out-of you-body experience that shit is well know as somewhat satanic by some religions......all though hinduisn and budhism believes in meditation that is considered to be somewhat of a traced-state-of-mind. Dont believe me! Look it up on GOOGLE about trances and some site's will have very precise information regarding this, and im telling you, it will freak you out...I dont know how I started to look this up, but I did and now I can't turned back. I did'nt want to stir shit up, because i personally like some tracks from UNDERWORLD, but im a big believer in GOOD and EVIL and I'd rather not listen to them if they and there music is influenced be you know who...........Look up THE BOARDS OF CANADA they play electronica-trance and youll see that they have and even admitted to adding subliminal messages about bad wierd shit. Maybe consciously you dont get it or hear it, but subconsciously the mind react's.


Underworld, Boards of Canada, trance, dance music in general has NOTHING to do with satanism, end of story. I don't care how many backwards samples BOC use in their music that doesn't mean that it's "subliminal messages". It's just a guy talking...backwards! OMG IT'S THE WORK OF SATAN!! :rolleyes:
Name me one real-world example of a person accursed with the evil spirit by subliminal messages in music.

It's true that some extreme religious people view dance music, or popular music in general (or heck, even any form of fun; remember how flying kites was forbidden in Afghanistan under the Taliban?) as the work of the Dark Lord (and I don't mean Darth Vader ;)), which only proves that extreme religiousness (not an actual word) doesn't go hand in hand with sanity.

Again, I point you to the quote in my signature. It doesn't really get any more clear than that.

[stimpee]

Underworld, Boards of Canada, trance, dance music in general has NOTHING to do with satanism, end of story. popeye34: And Underworld and Boards Of Canada have nothing to do with trance music either. So, "unless you have some experience in electronic music you should'nt be talking soo much."

[holden]

Popeye34, i respect your convictions and concern about spirituality and music. Indeed, there exists some very uplifting and positive music out there, as well as some scary shit that could be designed to impress/exploit the listener (e.g. death metal, maybe hardcore industrial, etc). But i don't think you need to worry about Underworld as one of these bands. In fact, i'd venture that most trance music isn't composed to subliminally affect the listener, but instead to make 'em dance. If this becomes a religious experience for the listener, well that's up to them.

There've been times i've been more or less convicted about being careful in my surroundings and not being swayed...wer'e bombarded with suggestions everywhere: adverts, tv, movies. That's the world we live in: everyone wants your money and support. That could apply to ANY music act...they want your money and support, too. But they also want you to enjoy their tunes, and i think Underworld has made it clear that they respect their fans and want to share good vibes.

Hope this helps somewhat. Anyway, welcome to the boards...you'll soon see that most threads here go in weird random directions, It's the dirty charm!

Holden

[Renze]

Yup, BoC have nothing to do with Satanism, they aren't members of a cult, they don't live in an occult community and they don't make their music inside a bunker.
Yes, they did use occult symbolism in their previous albums (not the Campfire Headphase), but that was just part of the production.

[big screen satellite]

You may critizice me for my post, but I have enough experience musically and somewhat spiritually to say what i say...........

Not wanting to criticize you, but i think that a fair few people here also have 'enough musical experience' to be able to tell you that 99% of all (trance) music isn't intended to warp minds...

Those of religious faith, may or may not be 'lead' by what they hear in music, but those without faith, just hear music...well i do anyway, because i don't know of Satan and cannot be lead into believing it by some melodic beats

- i know this is kind of debate is for other places on this board, but i think some people are a little too warped by their own religion and their religious beliefs, and should look at their own religions before accusing 'artists' of alteria motives...

I cannot fathom out what reason Underworld would want to bend our minds and turn us on to?

And i know you have been harping on about 'trance' music, but i'd say only 10% maximum of Underworld's music is trance, and Boards of Canada - are not what people who know about music would cite as Trance either...

but hey, you are free to voice your opinions on the matter, and if you think that some music is designed to persued you to do something, then thats how you interpret it, but i think that you would find it hard to prove that any of Underworld's music has subliminal EVIL messages within it...

[lloyd]

The biggest underworld addict, sorry, collector isn't influenced by them in anyway.... right.
;)

[Future Proof]

We went on to other topics because yours was boring.

[joethelion]

ok - well...

first of all - I'm kinda insulted that Underworld and Boards of Canada were lumped into "trance music" as:

1) BoC and UW sound nothing alike
2) BoC and UW sound nothing like trance... what so ever


and about spirituality...
I'm going to try and over-simplify this - as I wrote a (pretty) long paper about this when I took a course on the "Psychological Study of Spirituality" a bit over a year ago ->

throughout your life, it is possible to have 'peak experiences'. These are feelings of euphoria, a 'oneness' with the universe, transcendance, some even feel like they 'feel' or become 'part' of God. These experiences are simply beyond words... so when we relate them to others, we sort of use religion / spirituality as somewhat of a 'template' to explain what goes on.

Amongst the triggers for these peak experiences, are music and artistic expression...

and when you think about it - what happens at clubs? Depending on who you are, what you wear / look like can be an artistic expression... so can dancing... the music itself can be a trigger... and you're 'congregating' with a large group of people to share in this expression... basically a 'fast track' to these peak experiences


....and none of it had to do with the devil

[BeautifulBurnout]

Not wanting to criticize you...

Why? ;)

We went on to other topics because yours was boring.

Yep.

Maybe I am just a jaded old cynic, but anyone who starts off posting stuff like this from day one has to be either a) trolling for the fun of it or b) seriously nuts.

If it falls into category a) then, yes, it is funny, albeit that the joke is then on the people who take this seriously and respond earnestly, which is what all trolls delight in.

Responding earnestly to a category b) on the other hand - someone who genuinely believes there is truth in dance music being the work of the devil - is encouraging delusion and is not so funny.

It is clear Mr Popeye hasn't taken on board any of the more serious responses to his initial post otherwise he would be coming back with measured rebuttal, not just more of the same.

Just my two penn'orth

[dubman]

6 pages of taking this minstrel muffin seriously?
the devil really has invaded...

[scary man]

what is this band really about besides playing electronica????
what does there name mean exactly and do they worship satan?
on one of there album covers they have a pentegram inside the O which makes me think that inside the music there is more meaning as far as what they as musicians are trying to occomplish. what are they promoting?
if someone knows any info about this band on what they are really about i would appreciate if you post reply.

Are you serious?

You are?

OK.

I live in the UK, which, in certain quarters, has the proud title of "the Most Secular Country in the World". The Vengeful Sky-God (and his preposterous arch-enemy) don't capture the imagination in the same way they do in various land-locked areas of the USA.

Underworld come from the UK too. Any source of light or darkness or any of the infinite shades in between that you sense are from them, you, me and us. The Human Race.

No two-thousand-year-old cartoon characters required.

[//\/\/]

LOL, just a point I'd like to mention. Luuurve your personal Pic //VV :D good ole Hartley!

he is, of course, an agent of beelzebub in some people's eyes...

(just to keep this 'on message' for good ole popeye ;))

[stimpee]

6 pages of taking this minstrel muffin seriously?*ahem* User CP... Edit Options... 40 posts per page. Bingo. Its on page 2, not 6.

[froopy seal]

I bent my wookie :(

Noooooooooo! Leave the Wookiees out of this! Poor old Chewie... never accepted by music business, only because he had a little more hair than others had... so sad!

as the work of the Dark Lord (and I don't mean Darth Vader ;))

Hmmm, another Star Wars mention... makes me suspicious. Is Star Wars evil? Is it trance? Is it both? Or are Underworld evil Star Wars junkies? Did they - in pre-Freur times - invent Star Wars? Maybe at least the costumes and hairstyle? Riddles upon riddles...

On the topic: I've been listening to Underworld tunes and trance music for some years now and I haven't noticed any subliminal changes towards the "dark side" sneaking up from my subconsciousness - neither did my friends tell me I was becoming a satanic freak. Are they also influenced (although they don't listen to electronic music) or do they just avoid embarassing me? Aaahh, this way lies madness! I'll just disregard these thoughts for sanity's sake.

What's the point of all this nonsense talking? I conclude I haven't been affected by the music I listen to in a way that I or my surroundings would consider "evil". So, either there is no such subliminal influence or it works verrrry slowly or I'm immune to it. Either way I don't care. No influence: Good, keep on dancing! Slow affection: Don't care because by the time it gets serious I'll be dead. (Hmm... what about my soul...? I'll have to see to that later.) Immunity: I'm a god and can do anything! Satan can't affect me, mwahahaha...

By the way: I'm just being told that the city loves me - and I like it! :eek:

[stimpee]

Popeye: maybe you'd like to examine Underworld's satan worshipping lyrics? You can do so here (http://underworld.qpalzm.com/). Let me know if you make any sense out of them :)

[BeautifulBurnout]

Popeye: maybe you'd like to examine Underworld's satan worshipping lyrics? You can do so here (http://underworld.qpalzm.com/). Let me know if you make any sense out of them :)

Nice link to Deep Blue Morrocco. Only don't click on the Forum Mainpage link otherwise you end up in some bizarre hacked loop that means you have to close down your browser.

The Devil's work, I say! :mad:

[myshkin]

UNderworld are mystics in the strange modern world. "30 thousand feet above the earth is a beautiful thing, And you're a beautiful thing".
Dostoevsky meets electronic music.

[botkiller]

I really don't have time to read 7 pages of replies, so if I'm repeating here I apologize - but I think that Karl said it best when he said, "Our music is the celebration of the human spirit".

period.

[stimpee]

I really don't have time to read 7 pages of replies, so if I'm repeating here I apologize - but I think that Karl said it best when he said, "Our music is the celebration of the human spirit".

period.yeps. see lloyd's sig.

[lloyd]

Yeah, best quote ever :)

[botkiller]

'tis true, I thought that was quite a profound quote on Karl's part.

[King of Snake]

yeps. see lloyd's sig.

actually, it's MY sig ;)
(and I've pointed it out in this thread twice already)

[popeye34]

Well well..
I didn't mean to categorize this as trancy music, but what I did say is that all electronica has a trance like affect when you listen to it deep enough and I never said they were satanists, I merely just asked the question on what there view on the world through spiritual sense was. I personally aint talikng religion but I like I said before ALL MUSIC IS BASED ON HOW SOMEONES SPIRIT IS... You write about love, it comes from the spirit, You write about hate, it comes from the spirit all songs with words have a meaning and to actually know what it is could be very difficult knowing...

[change]

ALL MUSIC IS BASED ON HOW SOMEONES SPIRIT IS... You write about love, it comes from the spirit, You write about hate, it comes from the spirit all songs with words have a meaning and to actually know what it is could be very difficult knowing...
Does it really matter? Do you feel love or hate or beauty or darkness when you listen to Underworld? I guess if you get bad feelings after listening to something, it may be best not to listen to it anymore.

...Reminds me of a lame old joke...
Patient to doctor: "Doc, it hurts when I move my arm like this."
Doctor to patient: "Then don't move your arm like that." :)

[big screen satellite]

you write about love, it comes from the spirit, You write about hate, it comes from the spirit all songs with words have a meaning and to actually know what it is could be very difficult knowing...

to be honest with you, most of Underworld music and lyrics come from overheard converstaions or snippets of sounds heard whilst journeying around the world, so the basis for UW's lyrics come from the world we live in...

if you want to disect the UW lyrics you need to disect the world we live in, thats not to say that some songs don't have inner meanings, like for example Born Slippy, which is about the world we live in under the influence of 'drugs' whether they be alcohol, narcotics or whatever...

to be frank most people don't know what UW's lyrics really mean anyway, and as such, thats the fun, Mr Hyde likes the fans to interpret what he's saying and what meaning it has, even if its wrong, and which is why UW initially published the lyrics to Born Slippy, because people were interpreting it as a Lager drinking anthem and it wasn't meant to be that...

[stimpee]

I've thought about correcting the underworls to underworld but its funnier this way :p

[Future Proof]

Well well..
I didn't mean to categorize this as trancy music, but what I did say is that all electronica has a trance like affect when you listen to it deep enough and I never said they were satanists, I merely just asked the question on what there view on the world through spiritual sense was. I personally aint talikng religion but I like I said before ALL MUSIC IS BASED ON HOW SOMEONES SPIRIT IS... You write about love, it comes from the spirit, You write about hate, it comes from the spirit all songs with words have a meaning and to actually know what it is could be very difficult knowing...

Well that's been answered so are we in accord or are you still going to play the "I'm so pure nothing can touch my linen" thing?

I'm actually shocked at the cordial responses from some of the dirts; all I hear from you though is "Gotta watch what I listen to, don't wanna be killing people and worshipping Satan because some song told me to!" Bro, stand on your own 2 feet. If UW had subliminal chants of "You like to shag boys" do you think you would turn into a homosexual pedophile? Your mind is a stronger tool than that; it's not vulnerable to the crazy whims of a subliminal message. EDIT: Unless you have a weak mind.

Now with that, welcome to Dirty; try to learn something while you're here.

[botkiller]

Well that's been answered so are we in accord or are you still going to play the "I'm so pure nothing can touch my linen" thing?

I'm actually shocked at the cordial responses from some of the dirts; all I hear from you though is "Gotta watch what I listen to, don't wanna be killing people and worshipping Satan because some song told me to!" Bro, stand on your own 2 feet. If UW had subliminal chants of "You like to shag boys" do you think you would turn into a homosexual pedophile? Your mind is a stronger tool than that; it's not vulnerable to the crazy whims of a subliminal message. EDIT: Unless you have a weak mind.

Now with that, welcome to Dirty; try to learn something while you're here.

word, that's all i can say.

[popeye34]

I agree.
I do look at the world on how fucked up it is, although my post might not make sense to some of you, I know there a few who catch it. Like I said I love electronica, but theres more to it than just playing along side a drum machine and a keyboard, but whatever.....I personally like there music and the only I brought this subject to the forums is to find out if any off you have seen or noticed and thing weird in electronic music PERIOD.
I can't sit here and say that all electronica is bad, after all its mostly instrument. So I guess most of you dont really seem to understand...I mean you understand, but you dont understand in a more deeper sense on what I was trying to get at and I guess I probably wont find anybody who understands being that you all are big fans of undeworld. It to complicated to get into point by point detail on what i was trying to say, but I guess it's not meant to be understood......and with that im out.......

[the real stuff]

I think I understand what you're trying to say, I just can't get past the context of "good" and "evil", "god" and "satan" that you've wrapped your ideas in.

[Future Proof]

I personally like there music and the only I brought this subject to the forums is to find out if any off you have seen or noticed and thing weird in electronic music PERIOD.

Well, the only wierd stuff I've ever seen is at raves when everyone was hopped up on Extacy. But when drugs get involved, anything can happen. But we're not talking about reality here, drugs are a fabrication and leave the mind vulnerable to lapses of perception and judgement.

And no, I don't understand this "deeper" sense. What are you, religious and have a guilty conscience because of what some person of religious authority told you about electronic music? Now I'm curious and I want to get at the heart of what drives this wierd, borderline O/C pursuit for you. Listen, it's important for you to recognize and accept that not all people that listen to electronic music end up getting whacked out of their minds and shagging on a dirty dance floor at a rave. Most of the members of Dirty here are in a pursuit of something -- an education, creating good music, being good at their jobs, whatever... I actually own my own custom apparel business -- not bad eh? But becoming a bum, be it a druggie, a morally-corrupt person or anything else has nothing to do with music. It has all to do with personal choice and discretion. If music was such an influencing force, politicians would use it for personal gain and usurping control. The world would be an incredible mess, you know?

I thought you were a troll originally and I'm not 100% convinced that you aren't but, if you have a goal behind these questions with a certain number of criteria to settle, then you can obviously quantify the nature of your request. So I'm interested in hearing it...

[stimpee]

So I guess most of you dont really seem to understand...I mean you understand, but you dont understand in a more deeper sense on what I was trying to get at and I guess I probably wont find anybody who understands being that you all are big fans of undeworld.Maybe a visit to the TranceAddict (http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/) forums will yield more results for you.

[botkiller]

well, maybe we don't understand, but in the words of FSOL -

"You don't understand, you're too closed minded, good bye".

[popeye34]

Its been a while, but im back......
Well when i originally posted this I was currently searching for answers for the Illuminati, Free-Masonry. Religion, and how politics and wars are governed be shady cults that no one know about. I brought the subject up to let you know that even if there was subliminal messaging in the music, its tought to says what this world is really about......

Im lost, I feel like I dont really know whats going on sometimes. The truth doesnt make sense and what is the truth? Christianity, Catholisism, Judiasm, buddhism??? WTF is the truth about our existence? Aliens, Heaven and Hell, The unknown??? And of course music.........
I cant really accuse of underworld music as being satanic, but I will say that there alot of power in music and depending on what, you as a musician, energy you pass down thru the music you play, Would you want to listen to a band that plays really good music who worships satan????

I for sure would'nt, I mean satan has the power to grant anybodies wishes, for a price$$$$. Fame , Fortune, Love.....whatever you want, but do you really want to go to hell??? Look at hollywood.
Elton "fag" John....All famous stars and i bet most of them are evil.........
I guess nobody really understands my situation and i dont even know how i got off the topic of music, but if any of you guys feel what im struggling to say.....please drop me line on this topic. Does anybody even think about the stuff i mentioned in this topic??? Illuminati=cult, Freemason=pre-illuminati cult, world and religion??? conspiricies by the goverment. 9-11 was planned out. Wars are planned long before they happen. etc..etc...etc...:confused:

[the real stuff]

buzzword, buzzword, controversial topic, buzzword ... Does anybody even think about the stuff i mentioned in this topic??? ... controversy, controversy, controversy

Is there anything left to discuss here? We're not even talking about Underworld anymore.

[dubman]

Its been a while, but im back......
i'm an incredible fucking idiot

you're an incredible fucking idiot.
tired of dancing around this, you're retarded. you've let the internet take advantage of how gullible and weak you are and your sense of logic was aborted on the street.
you back up nothing, your views are fueled by fear and bitterness, and all you're interested in is validation.

cease and desist.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Satan is just a metaphor of man's EXCUSES for HIS own guilty conscious.

Underworld have nothing to be guilty about:
"I'm hurtin' no one, hurtin' no one"

That's what the boys are about. Please don't bring age old religious dogma here, it doesn't fit.

[sunflowereye]

Its been a while, but im back......
Well when i originally posted this I was currently searching for answers for the Illuminati, Free-Masonry. Religion, and how politics and wars are governed be shady cults that no one know about. I brought the subject up to let you know that even if there was subliminal messaging in the music, its tought to says what this world is really about......

Im lost, I feel like I dont really know whats going on sometimes. The truth doesnt make sense and what is the truth? Christianity, Catholisism, Judiasm, buddhism??? WTF is the truth about our existence? Aliens, Heaven and Hell, The unknown??? And of course music.........
I cant really accuse of underworld music as being satanic, but I will say that there alot of power in music and depending on what, you as a musician, energy you pass down thru the music you play, Would you want to listen to a band that plays really good music who worships satan????

I for sure would'nt, I mean satan has the power to grant anybodies wishes, for a price$$$$. Fame , Fortune, Love.....whatever you want, but do you really want to go to hell??? Look at hollywood.
Elton "fag" John....All famous stars and i bet most of them are evil.........
I guess nobody really understands my situation and i dont even know how i got off the topic of music, but if any of you guys feel what im struggling to say.....please drop me line on this topic. Does anybody even think about the stuff i mentioned in this topic??? Illuminati=cult, Freemason=pre-illuminati cult, world and religion??? conspiricies by the goverment. 9-11 was planned out. Wars are planned long before they happen. etc..etc...etc...:confused:

!!!!11!1!!!!! What?What?What? I'm sorry BUT LMFAO!

d00d! Lay off the Shea & Wilson (& ghey hate)! Prescription: headphones + Underworld - "Thing In A Book" + beanbag/comfy chair = commence healing with/in journey

PS - been dyin' for someone to ID a deep proggy house track i heard on a '05 dj mix by Kazell from LA that has a female vocal sample/loop - "Religion..religion..religion...it has nothing to do with religion." Wicked tune.

[sanakan]

Is there anything left to discuss here? We're not even talking about Underworld anymore.

full ack.


'nuff said. thread closed.

[big screen satellite]

...and there we have it - the power of the internet is revealed...

its enabled everyone with the smallest amount of intelligence to voice their opionions about absolutely anything they want and link it in some inexcruiable way to something else...

i think this topic is shut really because its all gonna go in circles about absolutely nothing, because it has no relevance to anything

still its made me laugh along the way...but like watching bad sitcoms the jokes arn't funny second time around...

[gaborez]

click bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz

[stimpee]

Im lost, I feel like I dont really know whats going on sometimes.

I cant really accuse of underworld music as being satanic

Would you want to listen to a band that plays really good music who worships satan????

Elton "fag" John....All famous stars and i bet most of them are evil.........

:confused:Did you actually read back what you wrote before pressing the "submit reply" button? The first line effectively says that you have no idea what youre on about, the second completely disarms your original posting, the third line is irrelevant because most people couldnt give a shit what religion or movement a band does in its spare time, and the fourth line just shows you up to be a homophobe. I left the :confused: in because thats how I and im sure most of the people here are left feeling after reading it.

Thanks for coming back and answering but I must say it wasnt really worth the wait. If you could clarify your "points" and make your writing a little more coherant then we might be able to have a conversation instead of ripping your posts to pieces (and im one of the more stable minded ones around here :))

[Leon]

Ahahahahahahahahahahahhaha!

[Tom]

Far out, this thread delivers in spades, huh.

[amoe]

Despite the inherent ridiculousness of this thread, you have to admit that:

1. Underworld are somewhat trancey (detailed melodies, celestial and deep synths);
2. There is something different about electronic music, to deny this is to deny what makes it special.

Thank you ;)

[jose m]

what is the something different?:confused:

[big screen satellite]

what is the something different?:confused:

yeah all music is different

and all (most all) music made these days is electronic to some degree...

[Future Proof]

I would listen to a band that worships satan, if the music was good.

Elton "Fag" John? What's up Popeye, you got a secret crush on him?

Why is this thread even allowed to continue? It's obvious that he didn't reply back because he's a troll and lost interest but then decided that dressing up in his Spidey costume and spamming the Christina Aguilara forums were getting boring, so he decided to come back and have another run.

[Ally]

the only religion here is Music...


Testify!!! :cool::cool:

[Sean]

What a great thread. :D Good to know "fags" are evil. I always suspected....:rolleyes:

[undarrenworld]

Despite the inherent ridiculousness of this thread, you have to admit that:

1. Underworld are somewhat trancey (detailed melodies, celestial and deep synths);
2. There is something different about electronic music, to deny this is to deny what makes it special.

Thank you ;)

I second that!!! Thats it!

[ultradave]

and I'd rather not listen to them if they and there music is influenced be you know who...........

If you want to know what uw are all about, they're all about the beaucoup fish...

if you listen to some music and you feel a strange presence although you're alone - that's a good sign you're leading to trouble if you don't throw it out.

if you listen to music and things start floating - that's another good sign to toss it out.

I for one experienced the first - very unsettling. It was back in my gothic era, and no I did not wear fishnets... at any rate, I got rid of what I was listening to, and I haven't experienced it again.

you want to hear something freaky, pick up a copy of Styx - Paradise theatre on vinyl (og copy) and play that backwards and you'll hear some references to satan.

is satan real - yes.
does he influence music - yes.

In looking back on the title of your post... I think perhaps you got the wrong forum... This is for Underworld, I don't know who underworls is? They sound pretty satanic to me... :D

[taoyoyo]

i once had a religious experience listening to the pyschick warriors of gaia on headphones... they had a track with the phrase 'reprogram' repeated. i've never been the same since.

[jose m]

it was the mushrooms;)

[mmm skyscraper]

I'm listening to 215 Miles right now, it's pretty trancey.

plus it keeps repeating O-R-A-L which is surely a reference to Mr. Roberts.

http://www.orm.cc ;)

[phaseblue]

yeah all music is different

That is true, however "different" doesn`t always mean good!

and all (most all) music made these days is electronic to some degree...

Also true, but again, not all of it strikes a chord in me as being over the top, mind blowing, or very "different" either.

Electronic dance music has a quality to it that perhaps can`t be described in words, particulary when experienced live. I always like to use an analogy to Japanese "umami", which roughly means "delicious taste". What that means is open to interpretation, but in certain fermented and aged foods the feeling is certainly present for most people, although they can`t describe it. To me, a lot of electronic music is the same way. And when were talking about live electronic music (specifically Underworld), there is simply NO comparison to most rock and other types of music! There is a connection to the music (not simply the band) that I had not experienced in my years of going to rock/punk shows. I`m not saying I wasn`t connected to that music, it was just different. Again, I can`t really explain why it`s dfferent. Heck, I`ve tried to pin it down without success, but I think it`s simply enough to say that it is! Just MHO :)

[jose m]

strong weed in japan?;)

[Dubnobasswithmyheadman]

Satan,satan,satan.(ala butthole surfers).lol.

[phaseblue]

strong weed in japan?;)

...and other stuff! ;) LOL

[amoe]

phaseblue said it perfectly.

[jose m]

really? other stuff? i've been to japan a couple of times and found it to be dry as a bone generally?

[phaseblue]

really? other stuff? i've been to japan a couple of times and found it to be dry as a bone generally?

Visit the Iranians in Shibuya!:)

[jose m]

oh yes but i was told they were untrustworthy a often reported you to the police?

[phaseblue]

oh yes but i was told they were untrustworthy a often reported you to the police?

Funny, because neither I nor my friends have ever had a problem - not to say that this doesn't happen. Always good, clean stuff too! They even give you their business card so you can pre-arrange a meet-up in the future.

To be honest, the fact that foreigners are standing out on street corners looking like obvious drug pushers (in a country where drugs are absolutely NOT tolerated) leads me to think that it's a yakuza racket and the police are payed to look the other way. I think the Iranians are simply foreign proxys being supplied from above, thus ensuring that the Japanese nationals running the whole thing will have their hands clean if there's ever an investigation!:rolleyes:

[stimpee]

To be honest, the fact that foreigners are standing out on street corners looking like obvious drug pushers (in a country where drugs are absolutely NOT tolerated) leads me to think that it's a yakuza racket and the police are payed to look the other way. I think the Iranians are simply foreign proxys being supplied from above, thus ensuring that the Japanese nationals running the whole thing will have their hands clean if there's ever an investigation!:rolleyes:is THIS what Underworls is really about?

[phaseblue]

is THIS what Underworls is really about?

NO Stimpee! Your right! I think the topic got a bit side tracked.:rolleyes:

[froopy seal]

NO Stimpee! Your right! I think the topic got a bit side tracked.:rolleyes:
Yeah, must have happened somewhere around the second sentence of the first post...

[jose m]

i think its getting better don't you?

[phaseblue]

i think its getting better don't you?

yes indeed!!!

One a side note - Next to posts about new and pertinant UW info. this is probably one of the most interesting and off-the-wall threads I've seen in the forums in a long time!