Marie-Antoinette - a new film by Sofia Coppola

[grady]

link (http://progressive.stream.aol.com//aol/us/moviefone/movies/2005/marieantoinette_023756/marieantoinette_trlr_01_fhywet_dl.mov)

I like hearing New Order in a trailer, but this movie, eh...not really doing it for me. Perhaps it has something to do with Jason Schwartzmen playing Louis XVI and Kirsten Dunst playing Marie Antoinette and both of those actors playing those individuals just doesn't work for me.

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So, it's a comedy, right? :)

[ffolkes]

I can imagine some middleaged costumedrama enthustiasts choking when they hear the new order kick in. "Wot, no Kenneth Branagh? Preposterous!"

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The trailer makes a good video for Age of Consent. I would like to see the tracklisting for the soundtrack. I like the logo for the movie also; it would be cool to have on a black t-shirt.

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link (http://www.allocine.fr/webtv/acvision.asp?nopub=1&cvid=18603777&player=QT&debit=HD&emission=)

with Ceremony playing this time.

[grady]

Hmmm....I like the Age of Consent Video...er...trailer a bit more, esp. when seen in a large auditorium with some booming sound but this works too.

So will the whole film be a new order soundtrack?

Here is a bit of information about the film that I came across at a journalist site I frequent. It gives one and idea of what to expect in the film. Note, the person who reported in was not too pleased with the final outcome. We'll know more in a few weeks once Cannes gets underway. It's unfortunate that Darren Arronofsky's new film The Fountain will not be there, but he was miffed that it was not received for competition so he pulled it entirely.

link (http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/archives/2006/04/i_just_saw_sofi.php)

"I just saw Sofia Coppola's Marie-Antoinette," says a French film critic whose name I should probably keep under wraps. "Empty shell, boring as hell. Don't know if the Cannes jury is gonna buy it, but the average moviegoer will suffer deeply watching gilded 18th-Century types people get bored, eat, drink, and get bored again. Movies about boredom and filling spaces are tricky to film. Coppola did it right with Lost in Translation, but this time she fails completely, in my opinion. You were right about the parallel between Marie Antoinette and the Paris Hilton crowd . It's here. The rock soundtrack works in the beginning, but quickly turns into a gimmick that doesn't hold for two hours."

[m.g.]

The film should be released here on 24th may, I'll probably go the 1st day as I loved her two prior movies (and as this one was mainly shot here, mostly with a french crew... and the shooting made a bit of... *ahem*... noise...)

ps : french film critics are generally shite & the most snobbish in the world, above all with a director whose prior movies were treated like masterpieces... so i wouldn't trust them, specially on this one... ;)

[grady]

The film should be released here on 24th may, I'll probably go the 1st day as I loved her two prior movies (and as this one was mainly shot here, mostly with a french crew... and the shooting made a bit of... *ahem*... noise...)

ps : french film critics are generally shite & the most snobbish in the world, above all with a director whose prior movies were treated like masterpieces... so i wouldn't trust them, specially on this one... ;)

Weren't they allowed to shoot at Versailles?

Oh, I gotcha on the French critic thing. Thats just there way of being nice I think. Applaud you while they're slipping the knife into your back.

I'm envious that you get to see the film on the 24th this month. It won't reach screens here until sometime in the early Fall if we're lucky. Most likely the studio will be pushing the Oscar factor since Sofia won an Oscar for Lost in Translation.

I just wonder if she's using all New Order songs in the film now. That would be kind of cool.

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I just wonder if she's using all New Order songs in the film now. That would be kind of cool.

song/scene speculation

The Perfect Kiss - during the kissing scene obviously
World - during the end of the movie
Thieves Like Us - Peasant side story

[m.g.]

Weren't they allowed to shoot at Versailles? they were, they were... (absolutely not possible to shoot in Versailles if you're not fully prepared/covered/allowed/insured, etc...), but french gov. was very very... mmm... nice with the time allowed & the fees... and apparently Ms. Director was very... "temperamental" with quite everyone most of the time...

[grady]

song/scene speculation

The Perfect Kiss - during the kissing scene obviously
World - during the end of the movie
Thieves Like Us - Peasant side story

I was thinking a bit similar too..

The Perfect Kiss - obviously a kissing as you speculate mmm skyscraper, but it's probably around the time of a first meeting at a ball between dunst and schwartzmen

Your Silent Face - during some happy go lucky things are good time of the film, before the badness starts.

Love Vigilantes - more of the same as described above, but this time, everyone is having fun riding around on horse back and playing and having a good time.

Thieves Like Us - the double cross love affair part of the story.

True Faith - the big come down when things go to shit.

Paradise - another song that could be used when things start down the bad path.

what song would be ideal to end the film? hmmm........possible even Paradise.

[grady]

they were, they were... (absolutely not possible to shoot in Versailles if you're not fully prepared/covered/allowed/insured, etc...), but french gov. was very very... mmm... nice with the time allowed & the fees... and apparently Ms. Director was very... "temperamental" with quite everyone most of the time...

ah, I was wondering about that. Of course, the 'temperamental' director too. I wonder how old Ron Howard behaved around the Louvre shooting the Da Vinci Code. I was still surprised they allowed the film access to the Louvre.

[m.g.]

I wonder how old Ron Howard behaved around the Louvre shooting the Da Vinci Code.he behaved very well apparently...

I was still surprised they allowed the film access to the Louvre.only during nights & closing days + very very high fees & insurances...;)

[m.g.]

Just to "revive" this thread... I just saw the film (as we are lucky enough that they released it here on the same day as in Cannes festival) and...

*** NO (REAL) SPOILER HERE *** ;)

... this is not a "usual" or a normal historical movie and this is not really a movie about Marie Antoinette in the french history or about Versailles in the pre-revolution 18th century or...

Sofia Coppola just did for the 3rd time the "same film again"... a girl (or a group of girls, like in The Virgin Suicides) who's literally thrown a bit brutally or unexpectedly in a city/country/period of time/etc that she doesn't understand, where she doesn't know how to behave or where she doesn't have the clues and the rules. And, even if most of all the historical details are faithfully respected, the point is quite exclusively centred on "this" girl and how she will try to cope (or not...) with everybody and everyting around her.

Everything "technical" (cast, locations, costumes, light, editing, design, etc...) is perfect, and the soundtrack listing is just amazing and very carefully chosen (and it's very interesting to see how important can be the music in a film, specially when it's New Order or Aphex Twins used over an 18th century background).

If you are a bit bored by all these Da Vinci, X-Men 23 or Mission Impossible 48 that you can see by dozens every week, if you want to see a very brilliantly directed movie, if you are interested in human behaviour (as opposed to special effects or any kind of weapons...) or if you want to see an unusual way how to film this kind of stories, than Marie Antoinette will definitely be a good and enriching choice.

Don't miss it when it'll be out somewhere close you and don't listen/read too much to critics... (very often just a bunch of jealous/frustrated people who dreamed about directing movies and never could... ;))

Ah... one last thing, Kirsten Dunst is absolutely magic and touched by grace here...

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If you are a bit bored by all these Da Vinci, X-Men 23 or Mission Impossible 48 that you can see by dozens every week, if you want to see a very brilliantly directed movie, if you are interested in human behaviour (as opposed to special effects or any kind of weapons...) or if you want to see an unusual way how to film this kind of stories, than Marie Antoinette will definitely be a good and enriching choice.


Too bad it doesn't come out in the US until October :( *jealous*

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here's the soundtrack listing (for the music in the film, not the cd tracklist)

http://imdb.com/title/tt0422720/soundtrack

[joethelion]

so wait... how can it simulataneously be "the same film again" yet at the same time be a "good and enriching choice"


or is the film so good that you ignore that (basically) you've seen this movie twice already [as "Virgin Suicides" and "Lost in Translation"]

[joethelion]

so wait... how can it simulataneously be "the same film again" yet at the same time be a "good and enriching choice"


or is the film so good that you ignore that (basically) you've seen this movie twice already [as "Virgin Suicides" and "Lost in Translation"]

[m.g.]

so wait... how can it simulataneously be "the same film again" yet at the same time be a "good and enriching choice"

or is the film so good that you ignore that (basically) you've seen this movie twice already [as "Virgin Suicides" and "Lost in Translation"]
Ok, ok... let me explain, i didn't say that in a pejorative or depreciatory way. When i wrote that she did the "same film again", i was meaning that most of (good & interesting) directors are always doing "the same film"... a kind of obsessive quest for an idea, an emotion, a feeling, etc... they're very often exploring only very few different themes in their whole career, even if they do 10 to 20 films. In a way, it's possible to say that David Cronenberg, David Lynch, Martin Scorsese, Alfred Hitchcock or even Stanley Kubrick did many times the same film.

BUT there are a million ways how to do "the same film again", and that's what i find interesting, that's how i meant it & that's why i liked so much Marie Antoinette (and the 2 others films Sofia Coppola did).

Hopefully, it'll be clearer now...

[m.g.]

Just to "revive" this thread...

Anyone looking forward to seeing it? (supposedly released on 20th October in the UK & in the USA)

Just wondering... :rolleyes:

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Just a bit pissed as I thought it was coming out this Friday and have everything all rolled up and ready for the big event.

[grady]

Well this was sure a disappointment.

I'd recommend watching that first teaser trailer that came out last December that used the New Order track Age of Consent a few times instead of seeing this film.

The film started out ok for about the first reel and a half and then spiraled into the depths of disinterested nothing.

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It still has a great soundtrack

http://www.amazon.com/Marie-Antoinette-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B000ICLSQU/sr=8-1/qid=1161608291/ref=sr_1_1/002-6379078-5661619?ie=UTF8&s=music

[koisk]

SPOILERS BELOW


I think the music was a gimmick. The other previous 2 sophia movies I've seen, the music was part of the experience and was inseperable from the movie - the music was part of the whole that made up the film. I felt that here it was at opposite ends, and instead of really complementing the film, it felt like it was just a 'hey, isn't this cool?' thing. I don't really understand what it said about Marie Antoinette. However, perhaps I'm missing the point here and that was the idea all along?

Some of the scenes were cool and interesting, but overall I felt it was too slow and subtle without enough reward for the viewer. Honestly I would have been happy walking out. I enjoyed it but wasn't motivated or interested enough to sit through all of it and see how it played out.

That said, the more I think about it, the more I love the final scene where her and her husband are having a final dinner in a darkened room with the constant roar of revolution as the only key soundtrack element. It sends chills up my spine, so good!

I'm curious what other people thought. In the group that I saw it with, we were pretty much divided. A few of my friends adored it and were ready to buy the DVD.

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Turner Classic Movies was showing the 1938 version last night and it ends with Marie kneeling down on the guillotine, but you just see the top part of it. This is then superimposed with a shot of her saying how she will be queen from earlier in the film, which is kind of disturbing.

[viddy]

SPOILERS BELOW


I think the music was a gimmick. The other previous 2 sophia movies I've seen, the music was part of the experience and was inseperable from the movie - the music was part of the whole that made up the film. I felt that here it was at opposite ends, and instead of really complementing the film, it felt like it was just a 'hey, isn't this cool?' thing. I don't really understand what it said about Marie Antoinette. However, perhaps I'm missing the point here and that was the idea all along?

Some of the scenes were cool and interesting, but overall I felt it was too slow and subtle without enough reward for the viewer. Honestly I would have been happy walking out. I enjoyed it but wasn't motivated or interested enough to sit through all of it and see how it played out.

That said, the more I think about it, the more I love the final scene where her and her husband are having a final dinner in a darkened room with the constant roar of revolution as the only key soundtrack element. It sends chills up my spine, so good!

I'm curious what other people thought. In the group that I saw it with, we were pretty much divided. A few of my friends adored it and were ready to buy the DVD.

I'm going to have to agree with you Kiosk.

[GforGroove]

i was soo into not seeing this film and my friends finally drag me there
last night...

STRAWBERRY SHORTCAKE IN VERSAILLES.

What a dull boring film.. with such a great tunes.

At least it made it to the top ten worst films of the year.

[adam]

if i may ask how many of you liked Lost in Translation? because i adore that film, and i tempted to give this one the benefit of the doubt because of it, but i really can't manage to convince myself to go see it....i think i'm really starting to dislike kristen dunst (or whatever her name is), and i can't be bothered to go see something starring her (besides spider-man)...

[grady]

i was soo into not seeing this film and my friends finally drag me there
last night...

STRAWBERRY SHORTCAKE IN VERSAILLES.

RIGHT FUCKING ON!!!! JERRY!!!!!!!!!

That is perhaps the single best line about the film I've read.

[koisk]

if i may ask how many of you liked Lost in Translation? because i adore that film, and i tempted to give this one the benefit of the doubt because of it, but i really can't manage to convince myself to go see it....i think i'm really starting to dislike kristen dunst (or whatever her name is), and i can't be bothered to go see something starring her (besides spider-man)...

Lost in Translation is one of my top 5 favorite movies, and I didn't like Marie Antoinette, so that gives you an idea.

[adam]

That's what I feared.

[Malt Refund]

I didn't think it was that bad. The ending was kind of weird though. It made them seem as if they were escaping, when in fact they were off to jail (and beheading soon after that). Didn't really capture the intensity of the French Revolution in the last scenes as much as I'd hoped it would.

It's a fun movie but not the greatest. It's a good film to take a high school class to.

[koisk]

I didn't think it was that bad. The ending was kind of weird though. It made them seem as if they were escaping, when in fact they were off to jail (and beheading soon after that). Didn't really capture the intensity of the French Revolution in the last scenes as much as I'd hoped it would.

It's a fun movie but not the greatest. It's a good film to take a high school class to.

I don't know - I think you knew what was going to happen so it wasn't necessary to show anything else. That was, in essense, the end of that chapter of her life (at least, the side that coppola was showing).

On the intensity of the revolution, it was interesting becuase literally all you saw was a moderate crowd. Any other signs of revolution were windows crashing or people yelling. I wanted to see a giant crowd, but you didn't. In fact, the entire revolution was downplayed, which kind of emphansized Marie Antoinette's isolation from the politics of the country.

That's my 2 centz anyway. Interesting, but still not captivating as a movie.

[Malt Refund]

On the intensity of the revolution, it was interesting becuase literally all you saw was a moderate crowd. Any other signs of revolution were windows crashing or people yelling. I wanted to see a giant crowd, but you didn't. In fact, the entire revolution was downplayed, which kind of emphansized Marie Antoinette's isolation from the politics of the country.

My thoughts exactly. The only part of the revolution you saw was just the backs of some guys heads out of focus, carrying torches. Why not put the camera on them? Why do we have to keep seeing Marie Antoinette? You didn't get the enormity of the situation.

And again, when she is paraded out of her home at the end of the film, you only saw her. You could tell she was surrounded by people but Coppola did not want you to see them at all.

It sort of reminded me about all those costume dramas on Masterpiece Theater where there are no extras in the film because they just don't have the budget to buy costumes to put on all of them.

[undarrenworld]

Does NO songs fit in the movie? I must to see that;)