View Full Version : Turner prize- art? or just a shed?
its just a fuckin shed!:D
stimpee
12-06-2005, 06:42 AM
no fucking way. thats a joke. its a shed then he cuts it up and turns it into a boat IN GERMANY and sails it up some german river. then turns it back into a shed. hey presto! its art! :mad:
these people want stringing up.
no fucking way. thats a joke. its a shed then he cuts it up and turns it into a boat IN GERMANY and sails it up some german river. then turns it back into a shed. hey presto! its art! :mad:
these people want stringing up.
......with mulitcoloured string made by Tracey Emin..........or however you spell it
big screen satellite
12-06-2005, 12:10 PM
the turner prize is shit...the best thing that happened to it was the KLF in 93...
its 'shock' / 'shite' in the name of art...but its not art...its bollocks...
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12-06-2005, 11:45 PM
i don't know art, but.....
turning a shed into a boat feels more like a diy project - turning it back feels like his wife wasn't happy about their shed going missing. or have i been watching too much george and mildred?
i don't know art, but.....
turning a shed into a boat feels more like a diy project - turning it back feels like his wife wasn't happy about their shed going missing. or have i been watching too much george and mildred?
hahahahaha!:D :D
Tiger
12-07-2005, 06:01 AM
most conceptual art like this leaves me cold, although in a similiar way the boxes (fu(k knows what the artist actually called it) in the wind turbine hall at tate modern are just stacked boxes and can represent whatever you want, but they're still just boxes.
most conceptual art like this leaves me cold, although in a similiar way the boxes (fu(k knows what the artist actually called it) in the wind turbine hall at tate modern are just stacked boxes and can represent whatever you want, but they're still just boxes.
I don't know what the artist called it but i'd call it bollocks!:D
If Damien or one of his lot put a dog turd on a plate and called it art then some twat would buy it.........:rolleyes:
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12-07-2005, 11:02 PM
(the boxes are excellent)
big screen satellite
12-08-2005, 01:14 AM
the most ridiculous things i've seen as 'modern' art:
pieces of paper (A4 etc) screwed up into balls
a blob of blu tac on a plinth
a room with a light switch
rubbish
an unmade bed
What do these people do at home when coming up with this, think wow, lets see how far we can take the art world for a ride...???
Personally i think art should be pretty unique and intersting, but because i'm not an artist or don't have and 'art' degree (no offence, Mr. Hyde, who does have one....), if i screwed up a bit of paper and tried to sell it to the tate, i'd get arrested for being mad...or something
i mean how many attempts did the guy with the paper take to make his final submission???
Its crazy, and i suppose the ultimate thing is that we end up talking about it.
I was serious when i said the KLF were the best thing to happen to the Turder Prize, they actually questioned the idocies of art and the art world, and Bill and Jimmy are artists - so they had the right to do so...
They gave twice the winnings of the Turner prize to Rachael Whitread in '93 for the 'worst' piece in the competition, she also won the best piece...
... on a side note, should art be a competition - your art is better than these, here's £20,000...
back on track - nailing £100,000 grand to a picture frame and selling it as Art for £50,000 opened the question of what is art worth, would you as the purchaser of art destroy what you bought to make £50,000 out of it, but no longer have the art...they sold smaller pieces tenners strapped to bricks, on sale for a fiver...very clever...especially as they were basically taking the piss
Bill actually bought a painting himself costing around £40,000 by his favourite artist, got bored with it and cut it up, selling off the pieces, people bought them because they were his rather than the artists...i'm not sure how much he got back, but still - it did challenge the art 'idealism'...
anyhow, i know little about art, but i know what I like, and if its original, and authentic then hey its fine by me...the KLF art genuine artists, and what they do (did) is genius
i like what Underworld and Tomato do, as a collective, especially, art & music, moving images, its taking art in new directions...at least its unique and not pretentious bollocks
still the 'is it art' will continue, and will do every year the Turner prize runs, maybe I should give up and become a dustman, and sell my 'finds' to art galleries
Mattval1
Stephen
12-10-2005, 02:58 AM
the turner prize is shit...the best thing that happened to it was the KLF in 93...
Why is it not shit if the KLF do it? Bearing in mind that you, out of all the people here, have a tendency to be, shall we say, more subjective than most (i.e. you're a fanboy).
big screen satellite
12-13-2005, 02:19 AM
Why is it not shit if the KLF do it? Bearing in mind that you, out of all the people here, have a tendency to be, shall we say, more subjective than most (i.e. you're a fanboy).
HA...well its not shit when the KLF did it because they actually showed it for what it was, crap, and showed how easy it is to make art and how easy it is for art to be judged, the KLF spent fortunes showing up the art 'business' as a sham
i'm not saying what they did was good art, i'm saying the best thing that happened was in 1993, when the KLF took on the establishment and basically won, no one in the 'business' liked what they did because it exposed how crap and easy art is to produce and to bestowe praise upon for, what is basically little effort...
art is a matter of judgement and acceptance, but to 'award' prizes for what basically was someone pouring concrete into a shell of a house and proclaiming it the best piece of 'art' that year was quite ridiculous and the KLF proved that by 'awarding' it the worst piece of art
just because you are an 'artist' does not mean that you can produce 'good' art
if i did the shed thing and took it to the Tate, it wouldn't be recognised because im not a known 'artist', so why should someone who 'studies' or spends their life doing 'art' offer such idiotic pieces of 'art' get such high praise...
there are plenty of artists out there creating, whether it be paintings, sculpture, architecture, music, etc. that deserve much more praise and acceptance than these waste of space exhibitionists, who basically seek to court controversy rather than art...
like i said and everyone says, its all subjective...
but i still think shed boat is a piece of shit :)
HA...well its not shit when the KLF did it because they actually showed it for what it was, crap, and showed how easy it is to make art and how easy it is for art to be judged, the KLF spent fortunes showing up the art 'business' as a sham
i'm not saying what they did was good art, i'm saying the best thing that happened was in 1993, when the KLF took on the establishment and basically won, no one in the 'business' liked what they did because it exposed how crap and easy art is to produce and to bestowe praise upon for, what is basically little effort...
art is a matter of judgement and acceptance, but to 'award' prizes for what basically was someone pouring concrete into a shell of a house and proclaiming it the best piece of 'art' that year was quite ridiculous and the KLF proved that by 'awarding' it the worst piece of art
just because you are an 'artist' does not mean that you can produce 'good' art
if i did the shed thing and took it to the Tate, it wouldn't be recognised because im not a known 'artist', so why should someone who 'studies' or spends their life doing 'art' offer such idiotic pieces of 'art' get such high praise...
there are plenty of artists out there creating, whether it be paintings, sculpture, architecture, music, etc. that deserve much more praise and acceptance than these waste of space exhibitionists, who basically seek to court controversy rather than art...
like i said and everyone says, its all subjective...
but i still think shed boat is a piece of shit :)
exactly!.........fanboy:D
Renze
12-13-2005, 06:44 AM
You have to look at art in the context of the time it was made in. I think the guy who won the Turner prize this year did an awesome job. The idea of recycling is more important now than ever. Remember that with conceptual art, the concept/idea of an artwork is more important than the creation itself. He took the idea of recycling and made two pieces of art, one of them very abstract (the shed turning into a boat) and one more concrete (a bicycle that runs on electricity).
big screen satellite
12-14-2005, 03:54 AM
You have to look at art in the context of the time it was made in. I think the guy who won the Turner prize this year did an awesome job. The idea of recycling is more important now than ever. Remember that with conceptual art, the concept/idea of an artwork is more important than the creation itself. He took the idea of recycling and made two pieces of art, one of them very abstract (the shed turning into a boat) and one more concrete (a bicycle that runs on electricity).
recycling is very important especially in the current climate,
and i believe that concept is as important as creation, but sticking a shed in an exhibition and stating that it is art is taking it one step to far, especially as he's won an award for it...
they don't give awards to thousands of other people who do good for the environment or highlight the need to recycle...and a lot of people who view this exhibition won't see past the fact that its a shed come boat, and nothing to do with the concept of recycling....
i know this is the whole point of this exhibition, to create debate, but i just don't like it as 'art'...
but if it does indeed encourage people to rethink then i'm all for it...
Personnaly i think its a load of self-indulgent twaddle masquerading as art. The idea of recycling is well known and this piece of wood does nothing in my eyes to 'draw attention' to recycling issues which we are well aware of..........its still a fuckin shed!;)
everyone needs a shed? long as its a big shed with a bar and pool table in it,
also need some space for the projector and xbox360 innit! sweet that would
be- gets my vote!
everyone needs a shed? long as its a big shed with a bar and pool table in it,
also need some space for the projector and xbox360 innit! sweet that would
be- gets my vote!
Unfortunately it was a crap shed.........:D
dubman
12-14-2005, 11:46 PM
if it makes you think, if it makes you consider whether if it's art, if it's crap, if we should be outraged, anything, then i believe that it should be called art. the worst kind is that which you feel neutral to and stirs absolutely nothing.
whether it's any good is clearly up to you, but it's art nonetheless because it raises questions about its very nature and forces us to see if we can adapt some of the more fringe interpretations into this one word.
i think a lot of things many people would call bullshit is art. i think the willingness to put these ideas out and ask us to take it seriously with them is a worthwhile exercise just as asking us to completely trash the faux-intellectual gabber is as well.
art is a lot of fun you guys :)
votingfloater
12-15-2005, 02:49 AM
if it makes you think, if it makes you consider whether if it's art, if it's crap, if we should be outraged, anything, then i believe that it should be called art. the worst kind is that which you feel neutral to and stirs absolutely nothing.If this hadn't won the Turner prize, it would have sunk without trace and there would be no discussion. If I'd encountered this project by chance, it would have done nothing for me. By your rationale, since it's the very act of giving it a prestigious but controversial award which creates the discussion, the prizegiving process is art and the shed/boat/shed is just a found object re-interpreted.
Is a newspaper art? No; however I have never, ever read a newspaper without it provoking much more extreme emotional and intellectual reactions than the toss that is constantly passed off as art just now. Don't get me wrong, there is good stuff out there but this isn't it. This is the work of a pillock that didn't get Transformers out of his system when he was a kid.
Rog nailed this for me: if this is what draws someone's attention to the fact that we have completely fucked the global environment, then they're probably a cretin who doesn't read the papers enough (or George Bush - guilty of Greenhouse Denial).
art is a lot of fun you guys :)
I know it is mate and i like lots of different art........but at the end of the day, is my garden shed at home art? No.......its a shed......is the Turner prize winner art? No its also a shed and not even as good as mine:D
dubman
12-15-2005, 08:37 AM
yeah, but then he made it into a boat. and then built the shed where he landed.
i rather like it.
dubman
12-15-2005, 08:43 AM
If this hadn't won the Turner prize, it would have sunk without trace and there would be no discussion. If I'd encountered this project by chance, it would have done nothing for me. By your rationale, since it's the very act of giving it a prestigious but controversial award which creates the discussion, the prizegiving process is art and the shed/boat/shed is just a found object re-interpreted.
um, obviously there was discussion put into it before, as this discussion resulted in giving it the Turner prize and exposing it to those who normally wouldn't know about it.
2: newspapers aren't presented as art, even though there is an art to them ;)
and if a prestigious award is what it takes for you to really evaluate it, then so be it. otherwise it doesnt make sense for you to feel neutral to it until an outside source forces you to really look at it.
votingfloater
12-15-2005, 09:30 AM
um, obviously there was discussion put into it before, as this discussion resulted in giving it the Turner prize and exposing it to those who normally wouldn't know about it.
2: newspapers aren't presented as art, even though there is an art to them ;)
and if a prestigious award is what it takes for you to really evaluate it, then so be it. otherwise it doesnt make sense for you to feel neutral to it until an outside source forces you to really look at it.
OK, good points; I see what you're getting at. OK, it got the Turner prize - that doesn't change what I think of the piece: it still does nothing for me. I think what I'm really responding to here is other people's reactions to it and the wild claims that are made about its deeper meaning and validity.
For this to confront the issue of recycling and global warming as profoundly as the critics claims that it does, I reckon it would have to provoke a string of questions on an intellectual level or a have a strong emotional impact. Instead, all I get is, "Oh, fine very clever," and to me that is craft and skill, not art.
(The only thing it communicates to me is that this is a man prepared to go to more extraordinary lengths to get away from his wife than simply pottering about at the bottom of the garden.)
We're arguing in highly subjective territory here. You could go off and look up "art" in the Cambridge dictionary and argue that this fits the bill on each subdefinition, but I could probably provide counterexamples for each one as well.
It's fun to smack this back and forth at each other though.
dubman
12-15-2005, 11:45 AM
it is, yeah :)
maybe because i haven't heard much of it outside this forum i still think it's a pretty good statement.
a bit simple, but effective. and it takes it away from being "merely" craft and skill.
materials have their re-uses, simply chalking it up as waste is, well... wasteful. you can use a garden shed to make yourself a boat, and it comes back to being a shed if you like, just somewhere else.
but you're talking to a dumpster diver here, so maybe i'm just excited by it.
it's so simple too. one man and a shed. and this is what he can do with just the materials he has. :)
I must confess that i've never thought about knocking down my shed, rebuilding it as a boat, paddling it down the river Severn and then rebuilding my shed......
my wife wouldn't let me! ......does this make me unartistic?:D
I'm sorry but i just can't see it in an artistic light. My locality is full of various sheds and lean-to's and i don't get the feeling i'm living in the middle of an outdoor Tate modern........
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