Beaucoup Fish - 4 CD Remastered Deluxe Box Set (8/25/2017) [Archive]

saintrik

07-28-2017, 02:53 AM

And here we go...
http://bit.ly/BeaucoupFish

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The Beaucoup Fish super deluxe edition comes packaged in a hard 12″ x 12″ box case that complements the expanded reappraisals of dubnobasswithmyheadman and Second Toughest In The Infants.

This edition includes a selection of rare and unreleased material from the time and 60-pages of new artwork alongside an essay on the album by Robin Turner. As with its predecessors, audio remastering was undertaken by Underworld’s Rick Smith and Abbey Road Studios’ Miles Showell, and the artwork created by long time Underworld collaborators, tomato.

Available as Super Deluxe 4CD, heavyweight 2LP Vinyl & 1CD, all physical formats are available bundled with an exclusive album artwork t-shirt designed by tomato available only at underworldlive.com (https://store.underworldlive.com/cart/product.php?id=33538).

Released on 25th August 2017.

Beaucoup Fish super deluxe track-listing:

Disc One
1. Cups (11:44)
2. Push Upstairs (04:34)
3. Jumbo (07:07)
4. Shudder / King Of Snake (09:31)
5. Winjer (04:28)
6. Skym (04:08)
7. Bruce Lee (04:42)
8. Kittens (07:31)
9. Push Downstairs (06:04)
10. Something Like A Mama (06:37)
11. Moaner (07:41)

Disc Two
1. Nifter – 5 A1317 Nov 97 (04:37)
2. Bruce Lee – Ricks 1st Dobro Mix (05:10)
3. UW Orange Bed – Sept97 (07:01)
4. Skym – A A1317 Nov 97 (04:54)
5. Jumbo – Diff Bass 2 A1317 Nov 97 (07:49)
6. Push Upstairs – Alt 1 A1336 July 98 (03:54)
7. King Of Snake – Garage Mix A1313 Set 97b (08:55)
8. Something Like A Mama – Alt Mix A1340 July 98 A Upstairs) (10:10)
9. Please Help Me (07:35)
10. Yeah Plan – From A1385 (04:11)
11. Ramajama (08:55)

Disc Three
1. Cups – Salt City Orchestra Remix (09:25)
2. Jumbo – Jedi’s Sugar Hit Mix (06:28)
3. Jumbo – Futureshock Vocal Mix (08:08)
4. Push Upstairs – Darren Price Remix (07:02)
5. King Of Snake – Slam Remix (07:28)
6. King Of Snake – Fatboy Slim Remix (06:55)
7. King Of Snake – Dave Clarke Remix (05:59)
8. Bruce Lee – Micronauts Remix (08:56)
9. Bruce Lee – Buffalo Daughter Remix (04:19)

Disc Four
1. Bruce Lee – DJ Hype & DJ Zinc Vocal Mix (06:40)
2. Bruce Lee – DJ Hype & DJ Zinc Instrumental Mix (06:33)
3. Bruce Lee – Futureshock Remix (08:11)
4. King Of Snake – Claudio Coccoluto Remix (08:23)
5. King Of Snake – Martinez Remix (07:52)
6. King Of Snake – Dave Angel Remix (06:54)
7. Jumbo – Rob Rives & Francois Kevorkian Dub (08:20)
8. Push Upstairs – Roger S Narcotic Haze Dub (06:43)
9. Push Upstairs – Adam Beyer Rmx 2 (04:42)

gcoleman99

07-28-2017, 02:56 AM

Just announced the 4CD Super Deluxe version. CD 1 is regular album, 2nd is demos and b-sides, 3rd is pretty normal remixes, 4th is much rarer stuff, including 2 Italian only KoS and 2 promo PU! Out Aug. 25.

gcoleman99

07-28-2017, 02:56 AM

Damn. Too slow! 🤣

Dirty0900

07-28-2017, 03:26 AM

I really thought this might have 5 points on it...

WhiteNoise

07-28-2017, 03:28 AM

I really thought this might have 5 points on it...

Hey, we're the ones who named it Five Points, not them. Could be 1 3 10 or 11.

purlieu

07-28-2017, 03:37 AM

Two CDs of material that's effectively not produced by them. Ehh. Can't get excited by this.

whatmakesustick

07-28-2017, 03:47 AM

Damn. Too slow! 🤣

Why too slow?!

I guess they have been sitting on this for a while and have been waiting for the MIF18 events to be finished. I think this era was more about b-side remixes more so that the other albums so I guess it makes sense to have them in the box set....and only a month to wait :)

big screen satellite

07-28-2017, 04:14 AM

wonder which version of Jumbo is being put out... unlikely the 9 minute one?

also nice to have the DJ Zinc Instrumental and Futureshock remix of Bruce Lee! didn't know they did a mix of that too...

be nice to see some track timings - some international / promo variants of the original tracks were issued so it'll be interesting to see if its the uk vanilla version

TheBang

07-28-2017, 05:23 AM

wonder which version of Jumbo is being put out... unlikely the 9 minute one?
All the album tracks will be the same as the original album. The longer cuts of the songs (Push Upstairs, Jumbo, Moaner) are readily available on the 2012 Anthology.

potatobroth

07-28-2017, 05:41 AM

Two CDs of material that's effectively not produced by them. Ehh. Can't get excited by this.

i was excited, and then deflated. not a fan of remixes either.

however i'll get the basic release that has the first 2 discs if thats an option.

TheBang

07-28-2017, 06:42 AM

however i'll get the basic release that has the first 2 discs if thats an option.
Not this time, apparently. They're only doing 1-disc remastered album, and 4-disc box set.

If you don't care about physical media, you could buy the tracks you're interested in piecemeal from iTunes or Amazon MP3 or wherever.

holden

07-28-2017, 07:09 AM

Well, Beaucoup Fish is my favorite album, and I have the other boxes, so I'm compelled, I suppose.
Was also hoping for more unreleased material, but disc 2 still should be amazing, and there are a couple remixes that it'll be nice to have on CD rather than dodgy mp3. Also like the short wait time till release.

purlieu

07-28-2017, 07:18 AM

i was excited, and then deflated. not a fan of remixes either.

Yeah, and given the amount of duplication with some of the singles you'd think we might at least get The Large Unit, Barking Mix, Dobropet, Bruce Lee Short, maybe Darren Price's Push Upstairs to make the first disc a bit more properly Underworldy. I really like the Future Shock mix of Jumbo, but otherwise nothing there really appeals to me. Basically means I'd be spending £55 on one CD.

Will probably buy the download version and burn disc 2 to a CDr to slot in alongside the booklet in my digifile version though. Lack of a standard 2CD edition is disappointing, but I get the feeling that might have been the lowest selling version of the previous two.

Still, glad this has finally come along! What happens once Oblivion With Bells comes out, are we finally getting 4CD versions of Underneath the Radar and Change the Weather?

joethelion

07-28-2017, 08:15 AM

well - I'm PSYCHED to finally have the Buffalo Daughter, DJ Hype & DJ Zinc, and Futureshock remixes of Bruce Lee

and it's super nice to finally have the "Italian Remixes" of KoS

(okay - so basically all of disc four)

BUT...

it's a bit odd not to have the "Rick's Bungalow" mix of KoS or the "Large Unit" mix of Push Upstairs (as they were both UW remixes)

pandamagic

07-28-2017, 08:24 AM

It will be interesting to see if they use the early fade versions of the Sugar Hit and Futureshock Worlds Apart Jumbo mixes which chopped off about a minute and a half from the end of each to conform to UK singles chart regulations but then annoyingly became the default versions on other formats that didn't have such restrictions. Also curious as to weather Futureshock Vocal mix is the same as the Worlds Apart mix and Rob Rives & Francois Kevorkian Dub is the same as the Main Dish mix, or if they are previously unreleased remixes.

Also a little disappointing to see 2 discs of remixes instead of the any of the Blue Mountain tracks, but maybe those original tapes have been lost (who knows?)

dubman

07-28-2017, 10:09 AM

REMIXES???

No blue mountain? Lemonworld web releases? Fuck, maybe even just misc tracks from Anti-rom (I know it got (very eventually) collected in Bungalow With Stairs but surely there must be extras from that too).
I stopped going to forums because I hate complaining like this now but eeeeeeaaaughhh TWO discs of a four disc set of [not underworld] is so uniquely head-grabbing considering the material we KNOW is there. Only one alt version of king of snake and probably neither of them will be the sept97 or bungalow version.
Hhhhhhhhh
Excited about that second disc though for real.

Shit is pretty bad.

joethelion

07-28-2017, 11:46 AM

I'm really hoping that R+K will finally listen to us, and release all that Lemonworld stuff in it's own distinct 'package.' Like, I'd be super content even if it's just a download.

Also - I am SOOOO GLAD I didn't spend like $30 on the "Bruce Lee" single the other day. I only have the Buffalo Daughter remix on mp3, and I was like "oh there's no way it'll be on the BF boxset if/when it ever comes out"

(edit)
and there's a chance that like... "Cappe Ffuno" is on disc 2, just with a different title

also - either "King Of Snake – Garage Mix A1313 Set 97b"or "Ramajama" could be the early version of KOS (if not a variation on the Bungalow mix).

At least the remixes from this era were pretty decent.

negative1

07-28-2017, 04:25 PM

Well, as noted, it's a little underwhelming, compared to whats out there,
and what could be included.

I know they haven't included DVD's, but a video addition would have been great to have.

Well, will continue to curate my own version, mixed with tracks from this release.

some preliminary notes and times:
=========================================
Disc Three
1. Cups – Salt City Orchestra Remix 9:23

- 2. Jumbo – Jedi’s Sugar Hit Mix - full (vinyl) 7:53 or edit 6:28?
- 3. Jumbo – Futureshock Vocal Mix - full (vinyl) 8:12 or edit 6:30?

4. Push Upstairs – Darren Price Remix 6:47
5. King Of Snake – Slam Remix 7:32
6. King Of Snake – Fatboy Slim Remix 6:57
7. King Of Snake – Dave Clarke Remix 6:03
8. Bruce Lee – Micronauts Remix 8:54
9. Bruce Lee – Buffalo Daughter Remix 4:21

Disc Four
- 1. Bruce Lee – DJ Hype & DJ Zinc Vocal Mix 6:47
- 2. Bruce Lee – DJ Hype & DJ Zinc Instrumental Mix ?
- 3. Bruce Lee – Futureshock Remix ?

4. King Of Snake – Claudio Coccoluto Remix 8:34
5. King Of Snake – Martinez Remix 8:04

- 6. King Of Snake – Dave Angel Remix 6:57 -> was vinyl only

- 7. Jumbo – Rob Rives & Francois Kevorkian Dub ? -

8. Push Upstairs – Roger S Narcotic Haze Dub 6:43

- 9. Push Upstairs – Adam Beyer Rmx 4:42 -> was vinyl only

later
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darktrain

07-28-2017, 07:09 PM

Was really hoping to finally get a non-vinyl Push Upstairs (the full length of it) + the other stuff already suggested. How is Blue Mountain not in here?!

gcoleman99

07-29-2017, 01:22 AM

Why too slow?!

I guess they have been sitting on this for a while and have been waiting for the MIF18 events to be finished. I think this era was more about b-side remixes more so that the other albums so I guess it makes sense to have them in the box set....and only a month to wait :)

I was trying to be the first to post the new info, but I accidently erased my first post, and was looking up some tracks on discogs to make sure I posted the correct info on my replacement post.

twicezero

07-29-2017, 01:50 AM

TheBang

07-29-2017, 10:01 AM

Was really hoping to finally get a non-vinyl Push Upstairs (the full length of it)
As mentioned earlier, that's available on the 2002 Anthology. "The Full Length of It" is just the unedited version of Push (6:10).

King of Snake

07-29-2017, 10:13 AM

Ugh, two discs of bloody remixes? Seriously? Sorry UW but there must have been more of your own material that you could have used right? Some good live recordings maybe? Dissapointing.

joethelion

07-29-2017, 05:07 PM

As mentioned earlier, that's available on the 2002 Anthology. "The Full Length of It" is just the unedited version of Push (6:10).

...I'm guessing he might've confused it with the "Large Unit" mix, which (strangely) isn't included

nelfun5

07-29-2017, 07:15 PM

No Blue Mountain? No unreleased live recording? No Cappe Ffuno? No purchase.

Lx_Nen

07-30-2017, 07:38 AM

Not impressed, way too many remixes by other people, not enough Underworld. I can only hope all the missing live stuff is being held back for an everything everything box.

purlieu

07-30-2017, 08:46 AM

At least the remixes from this era were pretty decent.
Yes, they're definitely some of the better ones.
One thing I realised is that with the existence of The Bells, The Bells, hopefully the Oblivion With Bells box, whenever it comes along, won't be quite so chocked full of remixes.
Also there weren't anywhere near as many released for AHDO-era either, so that too might be better value that this one.

Drix

07-30-2017, 02:41 PM

Really excited about the 2nd disk, but this is a weak release altogether...

potatobroth

07-30-2017, 05:57 PM

REMIXES???

...

Shirt is pretty bad.

RIGHT? Right?

In my heart I was truly hoping for some soundboard recordings from Cologne.

mark3

07-31-2017, 03:23 AM

No Japan only boxset this time, it seems... Amazon Japan only has the UK version listed.

I'm kinda excited about this release - especially disc 2 - but yeah, too many remixes and stuff we already have. Hoping for a interesting book though.

Shipping charges seem way more reasonable this time, at least to where I live.

khouri

07-31-2017, 07:15 PM

Two discs of outsourced garbage. Those remixes were crap then and they're even worse now. Underworld has always been better than everyone else, nobody has done these tracks justice. Truly astonished that they're not loading up this set with material from what's unquestionably the zenith of Underworld Live, not to mention Anti-Rom and the Lemonworld tracks from the era. This really could have been the most auspicious of the reissues and instead it's the least.

nelfun5

07-31-2017, 08:46 PM

big screen satellite

08-01-2017, 02:23 AM

personally, i think we're being a little 'fan boy' unfair to this release...

I think its pretty comprehensive - its 4 discs (remastered)

its the remastered original album - which obviously everyone owns, but that's the point of the remaster...
a complete disc of totally unheard of takes, tracks and exclusives that Rick has dug out, be grateful for this!!!!

and two discs sets of remixes

this is all of the remixes of the singles (or the essential remixes) including at least three never released remixes (the DJ Zinc mix of Bruce Lee is really good tbf).

you have to remember this album was released at the time of peak single remixing and publicity - this album was like The Phantom Menace when it came to marketing and licencing and remixing it up for a wider audience. (is it because it came out in the same year perhaps??)

the Italian KOS mixes were really hard to get hold of at the time, and a lot of the stuff was vinyl / promo only.

I don't think putting any live tracks on these releases is a great idea, i know they put a whole disc of BS versions on the the STITI release, but this was to highlight the track progression, rather than to give us the 'best' live versions. Live needs to be separated out imo.

this album also gave us a route to EE and that is the 'live disc' that should accompany this release.

maybe we'll get a More Everything Everything remaster later...

i reckon that there are a fair few fans out there who will want all of these tracks on one set, like this...

but i also reckon that there are a fair few fan boys on here who basically have every version of every track off this album already - regardless of how it was packaged - they would still bloody moan about something being missed...

remixes of Underworld tracks are contentious (and are with every band), but also i think in this case essential.

This LP release finally got Underworld into a much wider market, with the various 'genre remixes' of the singles. and i think they need to be on here.

whether you like it or not, remixing makes the world go round...

anyway, i think we should embrace this release, could it have been better possibly, but i wouldn't remove any of the content, just add another disc ;)

holden

08-01-2017, 06:33 AM

Amen to that, BSS!
I got into UW around the BF era and indeed did seek out as much as possible, remixes included. Would it have been awesome to have the Blue Mountain gig remastered? Sure, but I can still enjoy the old UWlive downloaded version, along with a lot of other tracks and live cuts made available in that era. Of the other box sets, I only really listen to the rarities discs, occasionally the remastered lp, because I have most everything else. It's hard to please everyone, but I'd like to believe that some thought went into collating this box set, including rate remixes that even some of the most devoted fans won't have and the other remixes that a less obsessed fan might not have.

Dino3D

08-01-2017, 07:25 AM

No double CD edition? That's a shame, but now I don't have to spend money on this reissue.

purlieu

08-01-2017, 08:33 AM

negative1

08-01-2017, 01:36 PM

I think the first boxset was the best, 2nd toughest was better than this one.

Maybe sales weren't what was expected for the others, and so the budget for this might have been less, and therefore less material.

I wonder if they will do anymore after this. Maybe they will all just be 2xCD deluxe releases.

Maybe one more release would be worth a super deluxe treatment, but i'm having a hard time seeing more given this treatment.

later
-1

King of Snake

08-01-2017, 02:46 PM

I think the problem really is that two of those discs aren't produced by Underworld. I thought there might well have been a single disc of remixes, but half the set given over to other people's productions just seems lacking in actual Underworld. Do we need both Hype & Zinc versions of Bruce Lee?

And in terms of fanboyisms, surely a 4CD set like this is mostly aimed at fanboys. The lack of 2CD set really suggests that they're not pursuing a more 'casual buyer' approach this time around.

I just can't imagine many people playing, in particular, disc 3 on a regular basis.

This. Though I guess I'm not playing the disc of different Nuxx mixes and live versions from STITI boxset on a regular basis either, at least it was their own mixes and live stuff. And now we get an Underworld boxset with no live tracks on it?? From one of the most prolific live eras of their career? That's just wrong. Who else is gonna buy this but fanboys (and girls)? By all means have a disc of the best remixes but disc 4 should have been a live set/collection, no question about it.
It doesn't even have their own awesome Moaner Relentless Legs mix on there but hey here's six fucking remixes of King of Snake by other people.
That second disk better be good.

SAD!

khouri

08-01-2017, 03:05 PM

Perhaps Everything Everything is due for a reissue itself? That could include loads of extra stuff on bonus discs. Imagine, a four or five-disc Underworld Live release, circa 1998-2000? The holy grail, surely.

joethelion

08-01-2017, 04:57 PM

woofmute

08-01-2017, 07:44 PM

Can only hope the lack of live content is for an upcoming EE reissue. Waiting to figure out what elements of the unknown demos went into album tracks and stuff again as always.

dubman

08-01-2017, 11:58 PM

personally, i think we're being a little 'fan boy' unfair to this release...

who, if not fanboys'n'girls, will be buying this?

big screen satellite

08-02-2017, 05:50 AM

i know fan boys / girls will be the main audience for this, but there are a serious lot more UW fans out there than frequent this forum, who probably do NOT have anywhere near as much stuff as the 1% in here do... every uw gig sells out, THOSE fan boys / girls may be the target audience...

re: moaner mixes

i suspect that there may have been licencing issues over Moaner, as it was released via Warner for the B&R movie, and only the album version is available... :(

re: remastering

Remastered - I understand that this whole set has been remastered, as far as i remember the Italian KOS remixes were poor quality before...so here's hoping they sound better here. i hope they remastered the remixes too.

I think if we're looking at the reasons for this release. It is a complete 'update' of what was released at the time of BF, plus all of Ricks' back room cuts - I believe anything that was a decent full track would have been included on disc 2.

And then most of the Remixes that came with it or to promote it (3 PU 12" promos were issued FFS!). They commissioned their own music to be remixed by some pretty decent producers at the time... Heck, Underworld were themselves remixing people to bits in the 90's - UW are dance music and this was the album that they pimped out.

Do we merit two discs of remixes...? well yes as they are part of what made this album a success, like it or not,

and no - but no only because there is demand for live versions in its place (we may well get another live album - but tbh - UW did do a deal to release a load of live albums a while back, and we also had EE)

Live albums are real fan boy bounty. which is why UW have never had any issue with live recordings being shared - more live on disc? defeats the object of seeing them yourself, imo.

With STITI and Dubno, there were much less remixes. Don't hate the package - it is what it is. fan boys don't have to buy it... and probably won't but i'm sure UW are not gonna go broke.

annnd no one seems to bemoan the fact we're getting a re-issue of an album less than 20 years old, which will make either the original purchase of BF redundant (as the sound quality will be better) - are you happy that the cost of the old album isn't being refunded ;)

everyone wants to hear disc 2 (and perhaps a couple of the unreleased remixes), and in order to get that you're gonna have to buy the lot... harsh, but i've seen worse repackage deals for one or two new tracks... and some crappy sleeve notes...

ThingInABook

08-02-2017, 12:28 PM

aww people, shut up.

i was discussing this with Alice in twitter the other day and I think the other tracks (esp. the web tracks) are not in this comp because those might be lost or because they wanted to commit the highest quality sounding tracks to remaster. blue mountain jam? that thing sounds like a realmedia track. if you don't have a high quality recording of that, why bother?

besides, this project has been sitting in abbey road since last year... if they don't release it now, then when? it does look rushed, i think it needs a 5th cd, but if there's no hi res material, why? do you guys remember the clipping in Big Meat Show? do you want more of that? cut the crap.

my only complain is that the singles box isn't there in its entirety.

twicezero

08-02-2017, 02:14 PM

Na, i'm not rushing to buy it, and I'm not buying the fanboy demands to love it. It don't excite me and that's how it is.

Its great to see what I assume is Bruce Lee (Dobropet) and Please Help Me But where are King Of Snake (Barking Mix) and King Of Snake (Rick's Bungalow Remix) (as well as Moaner (Relentless Legs Mix))

If disk 2 has great stuff, like King of Snake (early demo) all clean and crisp then I might pick it up, but I'm not dropping £55 incase its gold, I'm waiting to see,

dirty050505

08-03-2017, 12:41 AM

I already have all the Beaucoup UK singles in my collection, will definitely check out disc 2 and those Italian KoS remixes, but not sure I'll be buying the Box set. I honestly think this will be the last album to get the 4CD box treatment too.

purlieu

08-03-2017, 05:19 AM

I agree that an Everything Everything deluxe edition might be why there's no live material this time around - three concerts on CD and an expanded version of the original DVD? - and I hope it's the case (the lack of Cowgirl remixes on both this and the Dubno box could potentially suggest so too). Frankly I'd love to see AHDO and OWB get the super-deluxe treatment too, as I think both albums are incredibly unfairly overlooked.

Its great to see what I assume is Bruce Lee (Dobropet) and Please Help Me But where are King Of Snake (Barking Mix) and King Of Snake (Rick's Bungalow Remix) (as well as Moaner (Relentless Legs Mix))

KOS (Barking Mix) is one of my favourite Underworld tracks. The charming absurdity of it is right up my street.

1. Moaner (Relentless Legs)
2. Push Upstairs (The Large Unit)
3. King of Snake (Barking Mix)
4. King of Snake (Rick's Bungalow Mix)
5. Bruce Lee (Short)
6. Bruce Lee (Dobropet)

Even if half of CD3 had been this it would have been a more appealing option (and I'd be able to clear some shelf space getting rid of those tracks on single).

Ah well.

iamneorev

08-04-2017, 12:10 AM

I'd love an expanded Everything, Everything with the full show. I remember the DVD had two bonus songs.

but what I would REALLY love is all of the underworldlive.com 2005-2006 stuff... Pizza For Eggs (https://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Pizza-For-Eggs/master/550080), Lovely Broken Thing (https://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Lovely-Broken-Thing/master/550077), and I'm A Big Sister, And I'm A Girl, And I'm A Princess And This Is My Horse (https://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Im-A-Big-Sister-And-Im-A-Girl-And-Im-A-Princess-And-This-Is-My-Horse/master/550085) as separate tracks with all of remixes and additional material backed with the Live In Tokyo 25th November 2005 (https://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Live-In-Tokyo-25th-November-2005/release/633799) ‎ release. I feel these are its own thing and not a part of Oblivion With Bells.

an Oblivion With Bells set could be awesome with a disc or two Best Of live track selection from the live albums they put out during this period.

negative1

08-04-2017, 11:22 AM

joethelion

08-05-2017, 03:05 PM

I find it hilarious that the deluxe edition of BF isn't even out yet, and we're already getting excited about the possibility of a new version of EE

...having said that - it would be great to have a 'beefed up' version of EE. It's been a long while since I listened to it, but from what I recall - it didn't have any improvs

and yes - there were a few bonus songs on the dvd; 'Kittens' and 'Rowla' on the main section of the disc, then a live version of 'Dark Train' as well.

...then there was all the dvd-rom content too.

[edit]

but I think the BIGGEST oversight, would be if R+K didn't re-release the web-only content in higher resolution. I don't need a cd, a download would even be nice. But seriously it's insane that "King of Snake [Spoken Word Version]" is only available as a 128 kbps mp3!!!

jetpig

08-05-2017, 10:20 PM

Looking forward to this. Fully remastered singles, album, and a bunch of early versions? Yes, please!

I wonder about a remastered EE. Part of what makes EE what it is is how dang LOUD the whole thing is. Really makes it feel like you are front and center (to steal from the back of the box). I can't imagine that this would give much space in the mix, really, for remastering. A higher dynamic range that would reveal more details is gonna lower the average volume and negatively impact the feel of it. I also can't imagine the source material is THAT much better than the bootlegs we got of say, Fuji 99, but that Rick was able to work some serious magic (and I understand it took him a few tries to get it right) to give it that live feel. Has mastering progressed THAT much since 2000 to pull more info out of mediocre sources?

That said, I'd love a reissued boxset for additional live material and another 60 page booklet about the live shows and the road leading up to EE. Maybe discuss if the Euro Club Gig really was supposed to be a live release? Talk about experimenting with the fairly new 5.1 masterings? This is a super longshot, but I'd love to also read a retrospective about Emerson's departure. It happened during the runup to EE, if I'm not mistaken, and both he and the band are on good terms now. It would certainly make for an interesting recap of a potentially major moment.

Troy McClure

08-06-2017, 01:05 AM

Am I remembering correctly that Darren, Rick and Karl were each working on their own demos and bringing them to the Beaucoup Fish sections? If that's accurate, it'd be great to hear Darren's demos. Of course I'm still holding on to the slim chance that something from Underworld / U2 is included.

I bet a remastered 'Please Help Me' is going to sound great. Also happy to see the remixes will be remastered, too.

I'm looking forward to this release since it was my first day one Underworld purchase. And this was the first tour I got to see the band live.

-Jason

woofmute

08-07-2017, 08:50 AM

something else i've remembered, the very last second of skym has karl singing "do you" and then it cuts. do you think they'll remove that? extend the song's fadeout slightly?

34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j

08-08-2017, 07:28 AM

i was discussing this with Alice in twitter the other day and I think the other tracks (esp. the web tracks) are not in this comp because those might be lost or because they wanted to commit the highest quality sounding tracks to remaster. blue mountain jam? that thing sounds like a realmedia track. if you don't have a high quality recording of that, why bother?

I think the assumption is that UW have recordings or demos sitting in the archive somewhere. Given UW's working methods and their reputation for constant in-studio jamming, I think it's reasonable to assume there's stuff sitting around that we haven't heard yet. Plus I believe R&K have implied a number of times that there's a lot of stuff behind the curtain. Of course none of us know exactly how true that is - I remember being disappointed with the second disc of Barking since I kinda assumed there were more-or-less 'complete' versions of the originals floating around, and it turns out there probably wasn't.

purlieu

08-09-2017, 05:57 AM

To be fair, with the Barking disc, they are described as pieces in various states of completion. I'm sure there are more 'complete' versions in their archives, but I think they wanted to share it as a snapshot of various different works in progress rather than simply 'Barking without the guest producers'.

ultradave

08-09-2017, 01:12 PM

There's definitely mixed feelings running rampant on this release. Do I have most if not all of the remixes being released? Yes, but I will still be purchasing this physical release since I already have the dubno and STITI super deluxe versions...

I am happy to see the KoS Italian remixes on this release and as stated by BSS, hopefully these will have been given a proper remaster.

BF was indeed released in an era of the remix and having their tracks remixed likely equaled to the amount of remixes UW did themselves of either their own tracks or other artists tracks. And although I have most if not all of these, it will be nice to have remastered versions. Some of the remixes of the era did have bad fades, so hopefully some of this will be corrected.

I have mixed feelings about this release, but the truth of the matter is, not everyone can be pleased with a remaster and to get 4CD's in a box set is much better than no remaster at all.

As for 5 points (likely one of the most talked about tracks on this forum - not officially titled), I thought this was played out live during the AHDO era? Anyone know when this track was first being played? I think I have 2 live shows, but that was during the AHDO tour... the one I missed. I could have seen them here at the Mayan in Downtown Los Angeles!!! I'm feeling anger now...

Cheers!

TheBang

08-09-2017, 02:06 PM

No, there are 3 known instances of Five Points, from 1998-1999, so the song is of this era. I'd link you the Gigography entries, but it's broken at the moment.

joethelion

08-09-2017, 02:08 PM

As for 5 points (likely one of the most talked about tracks on this forum - not officially titled), I thought this was played out live during the AHDO era? Anyone know when this track was first being played? I think I have 2 live shows, but that was during the AHDO tour... the one I missed. I could have seen them here at the Mayan in Downtown Los Angeles!!! I'm feeling anger now...

Cheers!

It was played twice, and only during the early 'Beaucoup Fish Tour' as far as I'm aware:

Hugo D Night in Rotterdam on 10-31-1998

and then at the Mayan Theater, also in '98

...although... there is a slim chance that it could be featured on AHDO... As, the last time I played my bootleg copy (Hugo D Night) - she was convinced it had the same melody as "Two Months Off" - just played at a different tempo

funkboy3

08-09-2017, 02:43 PM

So, has anyone heard if there is going to be a non-physical release of this at all? I've nosed a bit and found nothing.

TheBang

08-09-2017, 09:21 PM

So, has anyone heard if there is going to be a non-physical release of this at all? I've nosed a bit and found nothing.
It will be available digitally through all the usual digital music retailers, just like the previous remasters.

Lx_Nen

08-10-2017, 02:39 AM

Jumbo plus 2 other snippets have appeared on Underworld's SoundCloud - King Of Snake (Claudio Coccoluto Remix / Remastered) and Ramajama. It seems you can hear the entire track if you're the one person in the world who actually paid for SoundCloud Go, but as I'm not that person, I can only hear the intros.

https://soundcloud.com/underworld/tracks

Troy McClure

08-10-2017, 03:44 AM

Browsing the Google Play store, Jumbo (Remastered), King of Snake (Claudio Coccoluto remix) and Ramajama are each available for individual purchase.

King of Snake (Claudio Coccoluto remix) is listed as 8:22 in length and
Ramajama is 8:55 in length.

mark3

08-10-2017, 04:06 AM

Ramajama is on Spotify now. Sounds familiar ��

Lx_Nen

08-10-2017, 04:17 AM

Track timings for the 4CD version are now visible on the iTunes store if anyone's keen to make a discography update.

Troy McClure

08-10-2017, 04:33 AM

Jumbo (Remastered), King of Snake (Claudio Coccoluto remix) and Ramajama are all up for streaming on Tidal.

Troy McClure

08-10-2017, 04:37 AM

Ramajama is on Spotify now. Sounds familiar ��

oh yeah :D:D

TheBang

08-10-2017, 06:08 AM

Wow, that was not the turn I was expecting Ramajama to take. I thought it was a Dark & Long remix at first.

potatobroth

08-10-2017, 09:06 AM

is Ramajama on US spotify? I can only find the 30sec preview on Soundcloud or the 1.5min preview on iTunes.

edit: got it from iTunes.

well damn, love this! this is from one of my favorite UW moments ever - ILT 98!

edit edit:

I love this track!

iamneorev

08-10-2017, 10:46 AM

24 BIT DIGITAL RELEASE!!!
http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/beaucoup-fish-underworld/0060255710889

ultradave

08-10-2017, 11:22 AM

is Ramajama on US spotify!

Yes it is available to stream on Spotify in the US.

https://open.spotify.com/track/3vKWfa5rQeXhlqditUDc1K

spotify:track:3vKWfa5rQeXhlqditUDc1K

Cheers!:D

Billy Goat

08-10-2017, 03:13 PM

Finally! I've wondered for years if there was a studio track with the synth line in Ramajama since I heard Rick's Bungalow Mix of KOS and was disappointed as it wasn't quite what they play live! Wasn't sure if I was going to bother buying the remaster but definitely will now!
Does this mean all the gigography listings as KOS Bungalow need updating?

TheBang

08-10-2017, 05:14 PM

Does this mean all the gigography listings as KOS Bungalow need updating?
No, just change the name of the song in the database, and presto!

iamneorev

08-10-2017, 09:45 PM

Box set preorder on ImportCDs only $45...
http://www.importcds.com/beaucoup-fish/602547979599

Amazon $59.86
http://amzn.to/2vKYcDb

ultradave

08-10-2017, 11:46 PM

Box set preorder on ImportCDs only $45...
http://www.importcds.com/beaucoup-fish/602547979599

Amazon $59.86
http://amzn.to/2vKYcDb

Dang! It's $20 cheaper than the UWLive shop. Why Why Why? I feel slightly bad to cancel from the live live shop and pre-order on Amazon, but it's $20 cheaper!!! :(

iamneorev

08-11-2017, 01:25 AM

Dang! It's $20 cheaper than the UWLive shop. Why Why Why? I feel slightly bad to cancel from the live live shop and pre-order on Amazon, but it's $20 cheaper!!! :(

Dude, you live in Cali? Order from ImportCDs, they are based in Cali. I found them through Amazon, they have a substore on there and eBay. I dug around and found their direct site and prices are cheaper than they sell on Amazon and eBay. I've bought from ImportCDs many times. They are great and usually have pretty damn good prices. It's only $45 on their site. I got a couple of the Smashing Pumpkins reissue boxsets from them for a nice price too.

I'm really strugging here... I really want the 24 bit digital release, which is going to be pretty much the same price as the boxset if I order from ImportCDs. I don't know what to do!!! Get the 24 bit digital, but no pretty boxset or get the pretty boxset, but only standard CD quality. Ugh, so divided.

Speaking of 24 bit, Dubnobasswithmyheadman album got a 24 bit release but not the Second Toughest In The Infants release at all. Now this one has the entire set in 24 bit. Man, I wish there was a 24 bit STITI... wish the entire sets had 24 bit releases because the 24 bit Dubnobasswithmyheadman sounds gorgeous.

TheBang

08-11-2017, 01:40 AM

Also available at Target.com for $47.19:

https://www.target.com/p/underworld-beaucoup-fish-cd/-/A-52851932#lnk=sametab

Also available from Bull Moose for $49.97 with free shipping:

http://www.bullmoose.com/p/23518984/underworld-beaucoup-fish-4cd-d

It'll probably be on Best Buy soon too.

After the dubno box set, I pretty much came to the conclusion that for music releases, it's cheaper to buy elsewhere, especially for US people. The shipping costs have become huge. Even buying from Amazon UK is usually better too, because shipping to the US is cheap, and we don't have to pay the VAT, so it lowers the price.

If you can wait a year or so, both of the other box sets were eventually available for $30-40, and this one probably will be too.

negative1

08-11-2017, 02:30 AM

ok, after going over the times.

just another minor gripe :
discs 3 and 4 are both about 65 minutes long

the first 2 discs are pretty full at 74 minutes...

==============
there was definitely enough space to put some more tracks on there..

i realized that 2/3 king of snake italian mixes are on there, they left
off the dino lenny mix...

i'm sure they could have squeezed in a few more mixes on both
those disks to fill them up also.

later
-1

ultradave

08-11-2017, 10:02 AM

Dude, you live in Cali? Order from ImportCDs, they are based in Cali... the 24 bit Dubnobasswithmyheadman sounds gorgeous.

Yeah, I saw the ImportCD's link too. Thanks!

24-bit of STITI would be nice. I was hoping for it. It really doesn't make sense to me since they released dubno in 24-bit, which indeed sounds amazing. They released barbara, barbara... in 24-bit too... now I can imagine OWB in 24-bit :eek::eek::eek:

You can pick up barbara, barbara... on a 24-bit d/l w/Twenty Three Blue for $5.95 now https://allflac.com/album/225434 I would go with the physical boxset now and then get the 24-bit on digital later as the price will likely drop in a year if I were you, if that helps any. ;)

saintrik

08-11-2017, 12:13 PM

You can pick up barbara, barbara... on a 24-bit d/l w/Twenty Three Blue for $5.95 now https://allflac.com/album/225434 I would go with the physical boxset now and then get the 24-bit on digital later as the price will likely drop in a year if I were you, if that helps any. ;)

Hmmm. This is the first I've heard of allflac.com.

I can't imagine that it's a legal site. The prices are well below any comparable service and what's with the Japanese CD releases for sale and all?

Thanks!

iamneorev

08-11-2017, 02:54 PM

Yeah, I saw the ImportCD's link too. Thanks!

24-bit of STITI would be nice. I was hoping for it. It really doesn't make sense to me since they released dubno in 24-bit, which indeed sounds amazing. They released barbara, barbara... in 24-bit too... now I can imagine OWB in 24-bit :eek::eek::eek:

You can pick up barbara, barbara... on a 24-bit d/l w/Twenty Three Blue for $5.95 now https://allflac.com/album/225434 I would go with the physical boxset now and then get the 24-bit on digital later as the price will likely drop in a year if I were you, if that helps any. ;)

These reviews aren't too promising in regards to allflac.com...

http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/allflac.com
http://review.easycounter.com/allflac.com-reviews
http://www.easycounter.com/report/allflac.com

P.S.
My Underworld folder is 57GBs... 99% in lossless. So if anyone is ever in need of something, if it's not frowned upon, shoot me an e-mail. ;)

TheBang

08-11-2017, 03:29 PM

allflac.com is not legit. Currently located in Latvia, but also in the Ukraine in the past.

joethelion

08-11-2017, 03:51 PM

allflac.com is not legit. Currently located in Latvia, but also in the Ukraine in the past.

damn. I almost purchased from them, just to finally get 'Twenty Three Blue'

...anyone know where else I can get it (and not pay over like... $30)?

I see that Amazon lists the Japanese import of 'Barbara Barbara...' but it doesn't give a tracklisting (and I've been burned by that in the past)

TheBang

08-11-2017, 08:24 PM

iamneorev

08-12-2017, 08:30 AM

damn. I almost purchased from them, just to finally get 'Twenty Three Blue'

...anyone know where else I can get it (and not pay over like... $30)?

I see that Amazon lists the Japanese import of 'Barbara Barbara...' but it doesn't give a tracklisting (and I've been burned by that in the past)

For folks looking for the bonus track Twenty Three Blue, check out the Japanese digital music site Ototoy...

We Face A Shining Future (Japan Edition) 24 bit:
http://ototoy.jp/_/default/p/60988

Shining Future Remixes 24 bit:
http://ototoy.jp/_/default/p/62602

P.S. They also have standard 16 bit, you just have to search and they come up separately from the 24 bit.

BUT...

In order to purchase from them, you will need a VPN. It's actually pretty simple. I found a VPN called Tunnel Bear that gives you an account with 500mbs per month for FREE. It reloads each month. Simply download the Tunnel Bear app and change the country to Japan and you're off.

Yeah, 500mbs doesn't sound like a lot, BUT here's how you work around that...

You only need to use the VPN to view the site's prices and make the purchase. But once you make a purchase, turn off your VPN and await for the download e-mail to arrive. It usually only takes a minute for the e-mail with the link to show up in your folder. Make sure the VPN is off and simply download straight from the link in the e-mail and you won't need to waste your 500mbs on the actual download. You only need to use the VPN to sign up and be able to view prices and make purchases. I just use my Paypal to buy music off their site without issue. Just make sure to turn the VPN off once you're done with your purchase and you can 500mbs can go a long way.

Hope this helps!

woofmute

08-12-2017, 04:32 PM

Ramajama and the KOS remix aren't available to listen to in the uk? Spotify and Soundcloud won't let me play them.

Billy Goat

08-12-2017, 04:46 PM

Ramajama and the KOS remix aren't available to listen to in the uk? Spotify and Soundcloud won't let me play them.
The super deluxe remaster is now available to pre-order on iTunes UK and the 3 tracks are all downloadable now if you pre-order the whole super deluxe version.
Or... you could copy the soundcloud link to a web based mp3 converter based outside the UK that will rip it for you but obviously I wouldn't condone that! ;)

gcoleman99

08-13-2017, 06:40 AM

Or... you could copy the soundcloud link to a web based mp3 converter based outside the UK that will rip it for you but obviously I wouldn't condone that! ;)

Obviously! 🤣🤣🤣

khouri

08-13-2017, 03:26 PM

That second half of Ramajama is definitely a lost classic. I covet those bootlegs where they played it. Always thought it was an original version of King of Snake, but it seems to have been its own thing. There's a show where they play a version of Ramajam with Moaner lyrics and it's one of the coolest performances of their whole careers.

potatobroth

08-15-2017, 06:12 AM

There's a show where they play a version of Ramajam with Moaner lyrics and it's one of the coolest performances of their whole careers.

say what? which show?

(I've heard them sing Moaner lyrics over Rowla, and over Rez live.)

Billy Goat

08-15-2017, 08:33 AM

It was the Temptation 2 gig at Alexandra Palace NYE 1999. It's on the tracker (it was when I last looked). I would've preferred that be the extra live disc on the BF remaster than Blue Mountain gig as I think it's one of their best live shows of that era and it has Ramajama with Moaner lyrics followed by possibly the best ever live version of Dark Train and Rez (great bleepy Rez start).

potatobroth

08-15-2017, 10:30 AM

Billy Goat

08-15-2017, 11:43 AM

huh, i have that one. havent listened to it in 15 years tho. time to give it a go!

To be honest I mostly listen to the good quality live bootlegs and OWB tour and rarely listen to the studio albums these days. For me their raw live sound is better than the perfectly produced studio recordings and some of the bits they only play in the live versions are my favourite (ie the siren in nuxx, the other bit of Push and the slowed down Rez intro) and I wish they had included studio quality versions of these on the Remastered albums but unfortunately not!

Definitely dig out the Ally Pally gig, I've had it on today and from Ramajama on is just awesome and is UW at their best, it's my favourite Underworld gig/music ever (alongside Glasgow 1994, where it all started for me! ). :)

potatobroth

08-16-2017, 07:20 AM

To be honest I mostly listen to the good quality live bootlegs and OWB tour and rarely listen to the studio albums these days.

Same. But i have so many boots that some get lost in the mix. Ale Palace never made it into my new iTunes and thus was just forgotten about.

i love that snake-charmer sounds mixed in with Ramajama. Its one of my favorite all-time live moments: KOS intro from I Love Techno.

aphasein

08-16-2017, 08:19 PM

jetpig

08-16-2017, 09:42 PM

The Ally Pally sounds like a truly amazing gig, all this talk really got me excited for it. Hadn't been on the tracker since this time last year, so I jumped on over to it and...

Nothing. Not seeing it anywhere (am grabbing the Mayan gig though, which I can't believe I've missed all these years as well). :)

Does anyone have it readily available for there or know if it's labeled unusually? I'm guessing many others will also be interested with all the Ramajama hype going on, so any help would definitely be appreciated.

Thanks for being an amazing community - I forget to check in on the happenings until things get stirred up around releases. :(

It appears that a default setting changed. In the middle of the page above the list of torrents you need to change Show all of: "Active" to "include dead" torrents. The number of torrents listed went from 54 to 226 when I did that. Our community is small and many of the torrents may be unseeded at any given time. I intend to get my seedbox up and running again soon, but we'll see how life goes. link to torrent: https://tracker.rtsr.org/torrents-details.php?id=40

aphasein

08-17-2017, 06:25 PM

Awesome. That makes more sense - knew I was missing something, didn't know about that detail.

Request for re-seed has been sent. Hoping it will get some attention, probably others looking for it now as well.

Thanks for getting me on the rails, and to everyone who called attention to that gig. Can't wait to hear it!

Back to the original topic, though - really can't wait to hear the rest of the Beaucoup Fish outtakes beyond Ramajama. :)

dubman

08-18-2017, 08:53 AM

I did not wake up today expecting to hear Ramajama,
I remember chasing down every obscure version of king of snake hoping it was this.

aaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

khouri

08-20-2017, 12:09 AM

Listening again to Ramajama and the live versions of it at the time, I'm guessing that the familiar section did indeed begin life as a version of King of Snake and was later integrated into what became Ramajama. When you listen to the demo, they're very much two different things stuck together, which we know is something Rick tries from time to time. When you listen to other versions (like the Moaner track mentioned above, Blue Mountain, the Mayan show in LA in 1998, Rick's King of Snake remix, etc) it shares many more elements with KOS than anything else.

So I was jumping the gun calling Ramajama the lost classic, it's more like a lost curiosity.I think the Blue Mountain recording of this is the closest we're going to get to a studio version of what we think of as the original KOS, a truly banging piece of music.

big screen satellite

08-21-2017, 05:21 AM

Billy Goat

08-21-2017, 04:16 PM

yeah i was there too, that GIG was off the chart, that was my fav live version of any UW track...

also New ORDER! with Bez

Sasha

it was a nice way to see in NYE
I'm very jealous although I was at the Temptation 1 gig in Manchester a couple of nights before the Ali Pali gig and that was pretty awesome too! I remember New Order messing up their opening track a couple of times! :) I wish there was an as good quality recording of the Manchester night as the Ali Pali one!

One thing I can't work out though is that both these gigs were before any of the Beaucoup Fish releases but I seem to remember having already heard King Of Snake and I think Push Upstairs and Bruce Lee somehow (I remember being disappointed as I didn't like BL). I think they might have played previews on the evening session on Radio 1 in late 1998, can anyone else remember this? or am I making it up? Maybe I just thought I'd not heard those ones before so they must be new?

TheBang

08-22-2017, 05:36 AM

One thing I can't work out though is that both these gigs were before any of the Beaucoup Fish releases but I seem to remember having already heard King Of Snake and I think Push Upstairs and Bruce Lee somehow (I remember being disappointed as I didn't like BL). I think they might have played previews on the evening session on Radio 1 in late 1998, can anyone else remember this? or am I making it up? Maybe I just thought I'd not heard those ones before so they must be new?
They played those tracks throughout 1998 and 1999 live shows before the release of the album.

potatobroth

08-22-2017, 06:07 AM

Underworld released Kittens pre-album as an MP3 if I remember correctly.

I remember hearing Jumbo live in NYC before BF was released. I called my friend and said "I don't know what its called, but 'sugar water' was on the big screens a lot."

darkvoice

08-22-2017, 12:29 PM

Ramajama is now on Spotify. Like this track! Part of the instrumentals have been heard live many times, but the song is new?

big screen satellite

08-23-2017, 03:00 AM

found some BF related pics of items i once owned from my archive of pics...

just for the history of it all...

this was just a sample of what they churned out :)

loads of UW pics in my flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/bigscreensatellite/albums/72157618324933591/with/2196682727/) album

2dreamofluv

08-23-2017, 08:01 AM

you think those gummy fish are still any good? ;)

i have a ton of posters and swag from the BF era in a trunk somewhere.

joethelion

08-23-2017, 10:13 AM

speaking of promo stuff from the BF era...

I remember having an mp3 from a 'promo cassette version' of Beaucoup Fish, where the sample at the end of KOS* was actually over the intro of "Winjer"

Is that how the track is on every version of the BF cassette - or was it unique to a specific promo?

*"roll up news paper, set it on fire" (etc etc)

mark3

08-23-2017, 11:57 AM

I remember having an mp3 from a 'promo cassette version' of Beaucoup Fish, where the sample at the end of KOS* was actually over the intro of "Winjer"

Is that how the track is on every version of the BF cassette - or was it unique to a specific promo?

It's from this promo cassette '7 Tracks out of 10' ... King of Snake / Winter :p

http://www.markcod.dk/IMAGE0001.JPG

mark3

08-23-2017, 12:03 PM

you think those gummy fish are still any good? ;)

:D I have those gummy fish / dolphins somewhere - or rather, they turned into black pulp years ago. Should have kept them in the freezer, I guess ... :p

Billy Goat

08-23-2017, 04:25 PM

It's from this promo cassette '7 Tracks out of 10' ... King of Snake / Winter :p

http://www.markcod.dk/IMAGE0001.JPG

What's S.M.F.U.?

holden

08-23-2017, 05:04 PM

S.M.F.U. = Stack My Fridge Up, working title for Kittens and cheeky pun on the Prodigy's Smack my bitch up.

woofmute

08-23-2017, 09:03 PM

did kos/winjer ever get released in any other form? could recreate it myself if i knew how much of the outro goes into winjer.

gcoleman99

08-24-2017, 12:02 AM

They played those tracks throughout 1998 and 1999 live shows before the release of the album.

I remember the 1998 Mayan show being promoted as a promo tour for the album upcoming, and that Jed The Fish (KROQ LA DJ) played a promo version of either Jumbo or KoS (can't remember which one it was, as that was almost 20 years ago now). I happened to be listening to the radio at the time, riding my bike for work on the 405, heard the song and that they were playing the Mayan either that evening or the next and quickly made tracks to the nearest Ticketmaster to get tickets. It was an amazing show.

mark3

08-24-2017, 01:03 AM

did kos/winjer ever get released in any other form? could recreate it myself if i knew how much of the outro goes into winjer.

Here's a snippet (http://www.markcod.dk/Kos-Winjer.mp3)

crank

08-24-2017, 01:39 PM

I think i prefer this version. It's more STITI like. This is the first version i heard from the Tape that was sent out as a promo to the newspaper i worked at at the time.

woofmute

08-24-2017, 02:21 PM

thanks for the snippet mark.

anyone know if the album downloads on uw's shop will be available at midnight in the uk? or when they're likely to be on spotify? hoping it's not going to be waiting for uw to manually make them available tomorrow morning.

crank

08-24-2017, 02:46 PM

PS. Ramajamma is on the Blue Mountain set. Track 6 to be exact.

joethelion

08-24-2017, 03:04 PM

Here's a snippet (http://www.markcod.dk/Kos-Winjer.mp3)

thanks for that! I might just try and re-create that transition...

Also - Glad to know it's exclusive to that specific promo (which saved me a lot of time)

pandamagic

08-24-2017, 04:13 PM

So "King Of Snake" (Claudio Coccoluto Remix) has been mastered from vinyl?

Unless vinyl surface noise is intentionally part of the track . . .

woofmute

08-24-2017, 05:04 PM

uw shop downloads are available now.

Billy Goat

08-24-2017, 05:15 PM

So no Five points then, absolutely gutted!

TheBang

08-24-2017, 05:33 PM

So "King Of Snake" (Claudio Coccoluto Remix) has been mastered from vinyl?
I think it has. And the other Italian track too. Because they're been played back at the wrong speed. They're about 2.5% too fast.

Edit: This is crazy. Not only that, but it appears they were sourced from MP3 files. This is the frequency cutoff for both those tracks:

http://15.2.i.getapic.me/4il5.png
http://15.2.i.getapic.me/4il8.png

What did they do, source them from MP3 files of a bad vinyl rip found on P2P?

woofmute

08-24-2017, 07:10 PM

Mild spoilers i guess so skip this post if you want to avoid that.

Definitely recognisable stuff in there. Mostly the stuff that's named after final tracks. At least two of them aren't that interesting in my opinion. At least one of them has elements of multiple final tracks in it. Liked the demos overall but feels like there's something missing.

Explains where some live elements of the time came from.
No intros with rick saying the song's working name and stuff. But there is studio dialogue there at the end of one track.

Yannick

08-24-2017, 07:38 PM

Uw Orange Bed : lol ;)

bits of "Shout Twice" from uwlive mp3

TheBang

08-24-2017, 08:31 PM

Uw Orange Bed : lol ;)

bits of "Shout Twice" from uwlive mp3

Yup, my thoughts exactly. The drumline from Shout Twice. And that drumline shows up again in Something Like a Mama Alt Mix. Rick must have really liked that drumline to try to fit it in so many times.

Some other thoughts:

Push Upstairs Alt 1 - This must have been an early bassline and it's pretty much the same as heard at Eurockéennes Festival that same month. The bassline was then used in The Large Unit remix.

The vocal delivery on Nifter reminds me of Skym. I wonder if it's all part of the same vocal session, laid down to a different musical track.

iamneorev

08-24-2017, 09:11 PM

Ended up grabbing the 24 bit off Qobuz. Gonna sit back and dive into this.

Yannick

08-24-2017, 09:46 PM

Yup, my thoughts exactly. The drumline from Shout Twice. And that drumline shows up again in Something Like a Mama Alt Mix. Rick must have really liked that drumline to try to fit it in so many times.

Some other thoughts:

Push Upstairs Alt 1 - This must have been an early bassline and it's pretty much the same as heard at Eurockéennes Festival that same month. The bassline was then used in The Large Unit remix.

The vocal delivery on Nifter reminds me of Skym. I wonder if it's all part of the same vocal session, laid down to a different musical track.

Nifter remind me of Please help me vocals
the garage mix of kos is pretty interesting how far it changed from that !

Yannick

08-24-2017, 09:51 PM

I like "Yeah Plan" a lot..... "Trim" vibe
kinda odd no Cappe-Ffuno ... from the Australia session. that session would have made a good cd on its own.

negative1

08-24-2017, 11:02 PM

after a quick review of the demo tracks, and the 2nd disc of mixes,
these are my thoughts (and intentions)...

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Disc Two
1. Nifter (5 A1317 Nov 97) 4:37
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a slow mellow song, with lyrics that sound familiar,
kind of like skym

2. Bruce Lee (Ricks 1st Dobro Mix) 5:10
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pretty much like the album version, maybe a little more raw sounding
kinda has a bluesy vibe going on

3. UW Orange Bed (Sept97) 7:01
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we've heard these sounds before, on some web tracks, and elsewhere
on lemon jams.. still pretty cool

4. Skym (A A1317 Nov 97) 4:54
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a pretty mellowed out version, not really that different

5. Jumbo (Diff Bass 2 A1317 Nov 97) 7:49
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i like the different beats, and the background keyboards,
don't think they played a version of this live..

6. Push Upstairs (Alt 1 A1336 July 98) 3:54
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shorter, more intense version of the song, a little more
electro and fuzzy sounding

7. King Of Snake (Garage Mix A1313 Set 97b) 8:55
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yet another raw version, but very basic with the sounds,
definitely might have heard a version like this live

8. Something Like A Mama (Alt Mix A1340 July 98 A Upstairs) 10:10
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sounds like the web jam version, nice and extended

9. Please Help Me 7:35
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same as prior release

10. Yeah Plan (From A1385) 4:11
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very interesting, noodley sounding track, wonder where this would
have gone if they used it on the album

11. Ramajama 8:55
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awesome, problably the best upbeat track, with cool vocals, and
beats and synths that they've used live many times.

Disc Four
1. Bruce Lee (DJ Hype & DJ Zinc Vocal Mix) 6:40
2. Bruce Lee (DJ Hype & DJ Zinc Instrumental Mix) 6:33
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having heard the first mix before, these are basically
2 drum and bass remixes of the track, not bad

3. Bruce Lee (Futureshock Remix) 8:11
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a much more electro sounding version of the song, well done
and polished in the futureshock style, very 4 to the floor beat with it.

4. King Of Snake (Claudio Coccoluto Remix) 8:23
5. King Of Snake (Martinez Remix) 7:52
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2 of the 3 italo disco versions of the song, unfortunately,
the sound quality is not very good, even though the mixes
are pretty good. nice electro sounds, and discoey beat to them.

6. King Of Snake (Dave Angel Remix) 6:54
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from one of the first promos for the song, this mix stays true
to the original, including the house piano parts

7. Jumbo (Rob Rives & Francois Kevorkian Dub) 8:20
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nice radical dub version, with the rives and kevorkian touch of extending
it, but keeping the original elements in it

8. Push Upstairs (Roger S Narcotic Haze Dub) 6:43
9. Push Upstairs (Adam Beyer Rmx 2) 4:42
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2 more promo mixes. the roger s mix, is much more of a stripped down
marching beat put to it. the adam beyer remix is a super intense beat
heavy and dramatic chord version... nice to see them here.
================================================== ======

i think the addition of these tracks and discs makes it worthwhile to me and collectors

don't know why the sound quality is low on the 2 king of snake mixes, i guess the
high res versions might be better?

they had extra time on the 2 remix discs, so they could have squeezed more onto them.

oh well. so is this it for the super deluxe versions?
probably for me.. unless they really pull something out ..

beaucoup fish is what got me into them, and even though its not my favorite album,
seeing them live several times, and collecting the tracks, finding the dirtylist and more
is what kept me a fan all these years. nice to see the tracks getting their dues.

later
-1

TheBang

08-24-2017, 11:07 PM

don't know why the sound quality is low on the 2 king of snake mixes, i guess the
high res versions might be better?
As I mentioned earlier, the 2 Italian KOS remixes appear to be sourced from MP3 vinyl rips played at the wrong speed. I'll reach out to some people and see if I can confirm. I can't fathom how this happened. As it is, I can't recommend those tracks on the box set over a copy of the Italian CD.

iamneorev

08-25-2017, 01:03 AM

I kinda wish they included "8 Ball" on this. I always felt it could have fit perfectly within the album and came out during this era. But we didn't "Oh" on the previous boxset either.

gcoleman99

08-25-2017, 01:28 AM

I kinda wish they included "8 Ball" on this. I always felt it could have fit perfectly within the album and came out during this era. But we didn't "Oh" on the previous boxset either.

8 ball was included on the 1992-2012 release, so it was redundant.

potatobroth

08-25-2017, 06:22 AM

Uw Orange Bed : lol ;)

I loved the music, but can't stand the unpolished lyrics.

potatobroth

08-25-2017, 06:24 AM

So no Five points then, absolutely gutted!

yep. i held out the smallest hope that 5 Points would have made it under a different name. Nope.

BishBash

08-25-2017, 06:43 AM

For those downloading in 24 bit, how do you listen to it? I own a Windows 7 laptop, a 12 year old Panasonic stereo (CD, tape, tuner, aux) and an android phone. Do you need software on your PC and a good pair of computer speakers?

joethelion

08-25-2017, 10:12 AM

Okay, I've only had a chance to do a quick skim through this morning on my way to work...

I know that it sucks that "5 Points" isn't included... but the third disc seems pretty good!!

Nifter = is like an alternate "Please Help Me"

I like the slightly different drums on 'Bruce Lee' (and there's snippets of the same guitar sounds also found on "Trousers" (and maybe 'Trim'?))

Orange Bed = another take of "Shout Twice"

It's also interesting to hear the alternate version of "Jumbo" - it reminds me of the early live version

And, now I get why "the Large Unit" mix of 'Push Upstairs' isn't included, as it's very similar to the version on disc 3

...the "Garage Mix" of KOS is basically a more developed version of the "Spoken Word Mix" isn't it?

I haven't had a chance to listen all of the epic version of 'Something Like a Mama' - but wow, it's over 10 minutes!

Bruce Lee (Futureshock Remix) - I'm surprised this and the Dj Hype mixes of Bruce Lee weren't released!

...I didn't notice anything weird with the Coccoluto Mix of KOS... but the Martinez mix sounds weird

[psst... if anyone happens to have a copy of the Italian Cd... a copy would be much appreciated (I only have shitty mp3 vinyl rips)]

...and was that Dub mix of Jumbo at the end ever released commercially? I don't ever remember hearing it before...

Billy Goat

08-25-2017, 10:17 AM

yep. i held out the smallest hope that 5 Points would have made it under a different name. Nope.
I was quietly hoping five points was going to be Yeah plan as on the aHoy Rotterdam live version Karl sings/says "Yeah" several times quietly during the opening chords. Instead Yeah plan is probably the worst UW track I've ever heard after the dobropet version of Bruce Lee that I can't even listen to as it just sounds like a noise to me! :(

I am so disappointed by this release, apart from yeah plan there isn't anything on the extras that isn't just a remix/early version of a track we already know: Nifter = please help me (what has happened to the Remastered version of this it sounds awful to me everything is just lost in the echo effext), UW orange bed = early Pens bit of Cups, SLA Mamma drum and Kittens start and the others are all not very different from the proper versions! Sure these extra tracks are Interesting for us hardcore fans but it's not worth the expensive price!:(

pandamagic

08-25-2017, 11:28 AM

Bruce Lee (Futureshock Remix) - I'm surprised this and the Dj Hype mixes of Bruce Lee weren't released!

Yeah what's the story with these? The Futureshock mix is quite good - seems odd that it was commissioned and never used. The DJ Hype mixes I could do without as they just seem like very basic drum 'n' bass to me, but I guess if you're into that kind of thing it's nice to have . . .

...I didn't notice anything weird with the Coccoluto Mix of KOS... but the Martinez mix sounds weird

In the middle of the Coccoluto mix, the beat drops out for a moment and you can really hear the vinyl noise quite clearly. Also in general both mixes just sound of poorer quality next to everything else on the reissue. It's surprising these were considered releasable when there's amazing stuff like "Relentless Legs" at their disposal.

[psst... if anyone happens to have a copy of the Italian Cd... a copy would be much appreciated (I only have shitty mp3 vinyl rips)]

well you're in good company since apparently Underworld only have the shitty mp3 vinyl rips as well.

How hard to find is that Italian KoS cd single anyway? I would gladly part with some $ for a copy . . .

...and was that Dub mix of Jumbo at the end ever released commercially? I don't ever remember hearing it before...

I'd never heard of it before either. Yesterday that track came on when I was in another room and I couldn't tell what it was a remix of. There didn't seem to be much, if anything, from the original track. Honestly if I didn't know it was Underworld-related I wouldn't pay much attention to it.

purlieu

08-25-2017, 11:55 AM

I bet the 24 bit FLACs of those mp3 rips are rewarding.

joethelion

08-25-2017, 12:03 PM

well you're in good company since apparently Underworld only have the shitty mp3 vinyl rips as well.

How hard to find is that Italian KoS cd single anyway? I would gladly part with some $ for a copy . . .

Here's at least the Discogs page for it
https://www.discogs.com/Underworld-King-Of-Snake-Coccoluto-Remix-Fatboy-Slim-Rmx/release/136559

Honestly - I don't think I've ever seen it, in person - or online... although, come to think of it... I vaguely remember someone on here unloading their collection, and I think they had it, but it got snapped up very quickly (or... that might've been the 12" - which isn't quite as rare)

khouri

08-25-2017, 12:25 PM

These reissues and the reactions to them have raised an interesting question. Is what listeners like about Underworld the same as what Underworld likes about Underworld?

mark3

08-25-2017, 01:11 PM

Here's at least the Discogs page for it
https://www.discogs.com/Underworld-King-Of-Snake-Coccoluto-Remix-Fatboy-Slim-Rmx/release/136559

Honestly - I don't think I've ever seen it, in person - or online... although, come to think of it... I vaguely remember someone on here unloading their collection, and I think they had it, but it got snapped up very quickly (or... that might've been the 12" - which isn't quite as rare)

I sold my spare copy last year for £24 on eBay. I did announce it on this forum, though. ;)

dubman

08-25-2017, 01:29 PM

These reissues and the reactions to them have raised an interesting question. Is what listeners like about Underworld the same as what Underworld likes about Underworld?

i realized this was probably not the case for me right around Oblivion With Bells (which coincidentally is also when i started letting go of this teenage fanboy hangup). definitely a lot to love on there and since but i suddenly felt like i was in a different place than they were about what made it all so great.

darktrain

08-25-2017, 02:41 PM

I'm still holding out hope for something like Aphex launched recently; tons of archived/hard to find tracks, multiple formats, pay the artist directly, little room for fanboy complaining;)

pandamagic

08-25-2017, 02:41 PM

These reissues and the reactions to them have raised an interesting question. Is what listeners like about Underworld the same as what Underworld likes about Underworld?

Well, this is always the question with any band and their fans.

With me, I discovered Underworld in late 1994 and quickly became obsessed with the specific pallet of sounds and moods that was Dubnobass. The aesthetics & sensibilities of that album created this self-contained, cohesive, and immersive world that one could enter into and get lost in. It was uniquely Underworld's space. Second Toughest very much existed in that space as well, and at that point, me and the band were seemingly still on the same page. But by the time we get to Beaucoup Fish, they've already started to expand the notion of what Underworld is a bit, partly by bringing in a host of guest remixers for the singles (to varying degrees of success) and partly as a response to how their live shows were evolving. And maybe the success of Born Slippy.Nuxx pushed them off into a different direction as well. Whatever the reason, I felt like there was a subtle dumbing-down of the brand, a move towards a sensibility that I didn't relate to as much. I still loved that album but it was the first sign that the honeymoon was coming to an end.

I've still followed everything they've done since, and have enjoyed a lot of it, but I've never really quite connected with them as I did with the first two albums. If I had jumped on board with Underworld circa Hundred Days Off, then that would be my ground zero and I would forever compare everything to that. I think a band's need to evolve and challenge themselves is always going to be at odds with the consumer's need to (re)connect to that moment in which they first established their conception of the band. It's just an occupational hazard I guess.

Having said that, I don't think its unreasonable for fans to prefer original UW content over the remixes done by other producers, or for fans to expect a certain level of meticulousness and quality from a box set they're expected to pay quite a bit of money for. I don't think these complaints are motivated purely by taste or nostalgia.

woofmute

08-25-2017, 03:20 PM

Extending push upstairs, jumbo and moaner since they don't release long versions on these ever.

TheBang

08-25-2017, 03:41 PM

Extending push upstairs, jumbo and moaner since they don't release long versions on these ever.
What? Long version of Push is on 1992-2002, long version of Jumbo on 1992-2012, and long version of Moaner on both 1992-2002 and 1992-2012. All readily accessible.

Billy Goat

08-25-2017, 03:43 PM

I'm still holding out hope for something like Aphex launched recently; tons of archived/hard to find tracks, multiple formats, pay the artist directly, little room for fanboy complaining;)
This is exactly it for me too! My only worry is how much I would spend if they did!:p

They tease us by saying things like they have hundreds of unreleased tracks and it seems they record most of their live shows and jams in the studio as they have released such material previously. With all that promise to then serve up what is on this remaster is a bit of a pi$$ take in my opinion.

In the past it is clear they have looked at comments on this site and reacted to them i.e. the post about who all the vocal samples are by so I can't understand why they've ignored us this time? I think they've taken advantage of our loyalty this time.

The only other thing I can think is that Darren Emerson didn't agree to releasing the kind of stuff that I would've liked to hear? Do we know how involved he was with these reissues or if his permission was needed to include stuff?

As for the whole nostalgia thing, I agree and yes I do prefer their early stuff but I actually still like most of the new stuff although I think it's clear that the quality has been decreasing over the past couple of albums. As my OWB Tour mixes show, I think that that time was when they were at their best live. There was proper improv without it just being a bland cymbal line in between 2 songs like in the early days, and it was very polished but there were lots of extra/new bits that added to the tracks. I would buy every concert from that tour!

Maybe when I actually listen to the remixes I might be presently surprised but I expect I'll listen to them once or twice and that will be it!

I'll stop moaning now and go and have a listen to Five points! :rolleyes:

negative1

08-25-2017, 03:47 PM

Well, this is always the question with any band and their fans.

With me, I discovered Underworld in late 1994 and quickly became obsessed with the specific pallet of sounds and moods that was Dubnobass. The aesthetics & sensibilities of that album created this self-contained, cohesive, and immersive world that one could enter into and get lost in. It was uniquely Underworld's space. Second Toughest very much existed in that space as well, and at that point, me and the band were seemingly still on the same page. But by the time we get to Beaucoup Fish, they've already started to expand the notion of what Underworld is a bit, partly by bringing in a host of guest remixers for the singles (to varying degrees of success) and partly as a response to how their live shows were evolving. And maybe the success of Born Slippy.Nuxx pushed them off into a different direction as well. Whatever the reason, I felt like there was a subtle dumbing-down of the brand, a move towards a sensibility that I didn't relate to as much. I still loved that album but it was the first sign that the honeymoon was coming to an end.

I've still followed everything they've done since, and have enjoyed a lot of it, but I've never really quite connected with them as I did with the first two albums. If I had jumped on board with Underworld circa Hundred Days Off, then that would be my ground zero and I would forever compare everything to that. I think a band's need to evolve and challenge themselves is always going to be at odds with the consumer's need to (re)connect to that moment in which they first established their conception of the band. It's just an occupational hazard I guess.

Having said that, I don't think its unreasonable for fans to prefer original UW content over the remixes done by other producers, or for fans to expect a certain level of meticulousness and quality from a box set they're expected to pay quite a bit of money for. I don't think these complaints are motivated purely by taste or nostalgia.

i agree with pretty much everything here,

however, the riverrun era, web tracks, and remixes easily brought them
back to the top of my radar, and the triple live tokyo cd, is one of their
best releases also, easily surpassing everything, everything.

after that its been a lot of hit and misses.

later
-1

TheBang

08-25-2017, 04:04 PM

It's also interesting to hear the alternate version of "Jumbo" - it reminds me of the early live version

Which live version?

...and was that Dub mix of Jumbo at the end ever released commercially? I don't ever remember hearing it before...

Previously unreleased.

Yeah what's the story with these? The Futureshock mix is quite good - seems odd that it was commissioned and never used.
There seem to be a few of these every time.

For AHDO, there's possibly an unreleased Twist remix.

For OwB, there's possibly an unreleased Simian Mobile Disco remix of Ring Road, and there's the Faxed Invitation Pig & Dan remix that was only released later on their compilation.

For Barking, there are rejected Always Loved a Film remix and dub from DJ Madskillz.

For Barbara Barbara, there's the unused Dave Seaman remix of Low Burn.

joethelion

08-25-2017, 04:16 PM

Which live version?.

Oh - I mistyped, I meant to say it reminded me of an early live version

but I can't remember which show / bootleg... I guess the closest would be 1998.11.92 | Mojo Club, Reeperbahn

woofmute

08-25-2017, 05:02 PM

What? Long version of Push is on 1992-2002, long version of Jumbo on 1992-2012, and long version of Moaner on both 1992-2002 and 1992-2012. All readily accessible.

I mean, on the remasters. I'm using 1992-2002/12 for extending.

TheBang

08-25-2017, 06:56 PM

A few more thoughts:

They finally fixed the tracking so that the end of Bruce Lee doesn't end up at the beginning of Kittens. Yay!

Push Upstairs Alt 1: You know, I've often suspected that UW sometimes jam out tracks live in studio and print them to tape (I think that's why we have 2 different Peach Trees). I think this confirms it. It kind of goes off the rails at the end there and they have a little discussion about it.

Push Upstairs (Darren Price Remix): This remix is extended by about 15 additional seconds at the end

King of Snake (Dave Clarke Remix): This is missing the "King of Snake" vocal sample at the very beginning of the track, which makes it about 5 seconds shorter.

woofmute

08-25-2017, 07:34 PM

Skym still ends with karl about to sing "do you still feed the animal".

("Do y--")

pandamagic

08-25-2017, 08:53 PM

...and was that Dub mix of Jumbo at the end ever released commercially? I don't ever remember hearing it before...

I'd never heard of it before either. Yesterday that track came on when I was in another room and I couldn't tell what it was a remix of. There didn't seem to be much, if anything, from the original track. Honestly if I didn't know it was Underworld-related I wouldn't pay much attention to it.

I've had a chance to actually listen to this remix again (in the same room with the stereo this time) and the bass line is clearly adapted from the original track. It's actually not that bad so disregard my original critique.

Also I just realized today that I'd completely forgotten about the Jedis Electro Dub mix of Jumbo, which I think I only have on a Select magazine compilation from '99. Since there's 15 minutes of free space on both deluxe discs 3 & 4, there would have been plenty of room for it . . .

dubman

08-25-2017, 09:32 PM

i agree with pretty much everything here,

however, the riverrun era, web tracks, and remixes easily brought them
back to the top of my radar, and the triple live tokyo cd, is one of their
best releases also, easily surpassing everything, everything.

after that its been a lot of hit and misses.

later
-1

Riverruns are still my fave post-Emerson material. Make a box set of those! I

Troy McClure

08-25-2017, 10:22 PM

I got my boxset delivered today from Amazon. At first glance, I do like the art book. Lots of vivid Beaucoup Fish shapes and colors. I assume they are the various covers from the singles. I haven't read the essay yet. Looking to jump in with both feet and rediscover this.

Jason

iamneorev

08-25-2017, 11:13 PM

Riverruns are still my fave post-Emerson material. Make a box set of those! I

Yes, please!
I really do hope the Riverrun series gets a proper remaster and reissue. I think they should release it along with the Live In Tokyo 2005 live album together. I love Peggy Sussed! The Japanese edition of Dubnobasswithmyheadman super deluxe edition has 3 songs from the Live In Tokyo release. So obviously the boys had to go back to the release to include. So perhaps that means they have future plans for the whole release later on. The Riverrun stuff doesn't really fit with Oblivion With Bells, right?

Everything, Everything was a combination of a few festival shows, right? I imagine festival shows aren't as long, probably around an hour or so. If we do get a reissue, instead of a combined into one release like the original, they should give each show's audio on its own. The tracklistings were shows recorded have a bit of variety, so it'd be cool to get each show in full that was used to make up the original release. Plus give us EE live video on Blu-ray.

khouri

08-26-2017, 04:30 AM

Bitterly disappointed to read that Five Points didn't make it into this box set. That was definitely my greatest wish when I hit "confirm purchase" on this monster. Even a CD-quality live version would do.

purlieu

08-26-2017, 05:04 AM

The Riverrun stuff doesn't really fit with Oblivion With Bells, right?

I think there's something somewhere saying all the stuff they did in the mid '00s was part of the Riverrun project, which would make OWB technically an extension. But yeah, I'd really love a proper physical release of it. I doubt it'll happen, but it would be absolutely tremendous. Each Riverrun with its respective remixes over three CDs, and a CD of outtakes. Yes please.

Everything, Everything was a combination of a few festival shows, right? I imagine festival shows aren't as long, probably around an hour or so. If we do get a reissue, instead of a combined into one release like the original, they should give each show's audio on its own. The tracklistings were shows recorded have a bit of variety, so it'd be cool to get each show in full that was used to make up the original release. Plus give us EE live video on Blu-ray.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm hoping the next box will be.

khouri

08-26-2017, 10:31 AM

The Riverrun stuff doesn't really fit with Oblivion With Bells, right?

Digression I guess but anyway.....

I've always seen A Hundred Days Off, Riverrun and Oblivion With Bells (and the attendant internet radio broadcasts with their new material, and the new style of live show they did during those years) as part of one extremely prolific and aesthetically focused period of Underworld's career. I don't know if it was Darren's leaving or not, but they changed directions completely. In my heart I think the first three albums are the zenith of Underworld but when I look at my iTunes stats, I play the post-Emerson, Pre-Barking material the most.

Beyond the actual music releases, you had the radio broadcasts, the Beautiful Burnout ArtJam (which I got to see in NYC), the Riverrun digital books, the Sunshine and Breaking & Entering scores, the Oblivion Ball in Tokyo. They were just full steam ahead back then.

dubman

08-26-2017, 12:28 PM

jetpig

08-26-2017, 02:22 PM

re: Riverrun distinctions. For me the Peel session is the mark of the beginning of the Riverrun series and the end of the AHDO era. It's got vibes from both and easily bridges the two. OWB is absolutely the culmination of the RR and Downpipe the start of Barking.

Haven't received my package yet, looking forward to it. Bummed we don't get the 24 bit download with a physical purchase. As far as content goes, it's gonna be more important in the future. Remastering is already questionable with BF's original quality, and will only continue to be less of a help as we get further along.

I would absolutely buy a 'Live' boxset of choice shows and a studio jam.

Troy McClure

08-26-2017, 06:53 PM

wasn't there a tomato exhibition around this time that explored language, its impermanence, disappearance, and how important it is to our oral history? i feel like the art book is an echo of that. tying that back to the space the album was in feels like a new facet. it's nice.

I never knew that. Thanks for that info. It makes more sense now. As of now, I like this book the best out of the three super deluxe books.

aphasein

08-26-2017, 08:38 PM

After diving into the boxset today, here's my (apologetically long) multi-part take on it:

1) Like most others here, I was really disappointed about the lack of extras, and that's been covered fairly in-depth by everyone. Wasn't a fan of the blue and pink cover either, and seriously debated whether to even buy it or just get the Mp3 download instead. The $47 price at Amazon and CDimport definitely alleviated that though, compared to the expense of the other sets.

2) It arrived in the best packing and is probably the most beautiful set of the group. The blue and pink seems right for that era and look great in the hand. The book is minimal, but in-depth in its image iterations and explorations of the "We are Beaucoup Fish" theme through its statistics content.

3) The music choices do actually seem appropriate to this album, unfortunately - I remember at the time the strange disappointment that all the extra mixes, b-sides and long EPs of the first two albums had suddenly been replaced with a few basic remixes from the band, tons of unnecessary typical remixes from dance producers, and only one actual b-side.

On the one hand, the actual album was amazing and experimental and atmospheric and punchy like never before. On the other, Underworld had become immensely popular and were acting like the rest of the dance/pop community now with their releases. I felt great for them and loved the album, but it was less of a journey itself and without the other releases, less of a journey for fans. Guess they'd arrived. :/

4) The "Dobro" relating to Bruce Lee makes sense now with this mix, and while the opening sounds a bit rough, think this version nearly equals the actual song and is great to have. The long version of Mama is fairly epic and worthwhile too, as is the vocal performance on Nifter. Others all seem a little too rough or early, can take or leave them.

5) Given that there are 11 extra tracks, no repeats and only one minute difference in total length from the original album, it seemed appropriate to me to re-organize them to mirror the BF order. Nifter matches Winjer, Orange Bed starts like Kittens, and Yeah Plan has a Downstairs dubby downtempo-ness:

Beaucoup Fish (CD2, Unreleased)

1. Please Help Me
2. Push Upstairs (Alt 1 A1336 July 98)
3. Jumbo (Diff Bass 2 A1317 Nov 97)
4. King Of Snake (Garage Mix A1313 Sept 97)
5. Nifter (5 A1317 Nov 97)
6. Skym (A A1317 Nov 97)
7. Bruce Lee (Ricks 1st Dobro Mix)
8. UW Orange Bed (Sept 97)
9. Yeah Plan (From A1385)
10. Something Like A Mama (Alt Upstairs Mix A1340 July 98)
11. Ramajama

6) Overall

Dubno - Best music choices, best b-sides and rarities, best presentation, great design, best overall value.

STITI - Best and most surprising unreleased music, solid b-sides and rarities, worst design and presentation (don't know what Tomato was up to with that set, it didn't seem to relate to original album design well).

BF - Worst music choices, poor rarities, best individual new track (Ramajama), best design and book.

TheBang

08-27-2017, 03:45 AM

Did anyone notice there are Five Points on the booklet cover? ;)

purlieu

08-27-2017, 08:48 AM

8 ball was included on the 1992-2012 release, so it was redundant.

So were Rez, Spikee, Dark Train and Oich Oich, but they ended up on the first two sets. Not to mention that the 1992-2012 is out of print physically.

Some thoughts...

Nifter - Nice little piece.
Bruce Lee 1st Dobro - Nice energetic remix, enjoyed the bizarre jazz skronk elements, but overall it's not that different to the original. Would have preferred something that was a halfway point between this and the final Dobropet.
Orange Bed - They really liked this beat, didn't they? Nice mix of Kittens, Mama and Pens with new words. All the final versions of those are much better than this, but it's another chance to hear their fascinating working process.
Skym Nov 97 - Really don't like this version. Very undeveloped and lacking any atmosphere.
Jumbo Diff Bass - There's a lovely alternate universe where this was the a-side to CD2 of the single, and we had a new track (or drastically different version) in its place here. It's a nice version.
Push Upstairs Alt - Early version of The Large Unit. I like the synth stabs that come in halfway through and the really weird stuff in the string breakdown. It's a very rough mix though, which makes is kinda hard to listen to. "I say chaps!" - lovely.
King of Snake Garage Mix - Well this was a lot of fun. I expected it to be closer to the version that they put online years ago, but was pleasantly surprised. Great to hear how far this track came over the years. Obviously not a patch on the final version, but different enough to enjoy on that merit alone. For me, the Barking Mix is still the final, perfect incarnation of KoS.
Something Like a Mama Alt - "Ah, an extended version" I thought, until it all started going a bit mental. Enjoyed this a lot, went in a lot of very strange directions.
Please Help Me - Same as ever.
Yeah Plan - Ok this is very different. Not like anything else I've heard from the BF sessions. Would love to know where this could have gone. Those synths near the end are lovely.
Ramajama - MORE LIKE THIS PLEASE.
Remixes - meh.

Overall definitely an enjoyable set of tracks on disc 2, and it's much more interesting than the demo sets a lot of deluxe edition get saddled with. Frankly we've been spoiled with the earlier sets, particularly the Dubnobass one, so this in itself is decent. That said, given what we know is out there, and the fact it can only be got through buying the super-deluxe 4CD set (/digital equivalent), it's still a bit of an underwhelming collection.

There must be a good reason why they didn't include any more completely unheard tracks, although unless they're planning a FSOL / Aphex style archive dump, then I can't work out what it is.

pandamagic

08-27-2017, 03:29 PM

I realize that mostly I've been griping in this thread about what's missing from & disappointing about this reissue, so I thought I'd focus on what's great about it. After all, they didn't have to reissue this album & dig up the unreleased tracks so it does feel a bit entitled to turn around and complain that it's not perfect. That other UK electronic duo, Boards of Canada, are quite happy to leave all their unreleased music sealed up in a vault forever so any generosity on UW's part is appreciated.

Nifter - quite nice to hear the Please Help Me lyrics in a clearer form. I enjoy how bare and stripped down this is compared to more dense stuff like Kittens and Moaner.

King of Snake Garage Mix - this is a lot of fun, especially the bass line that comes in at 2:36 that sounds very "late 90s dance music" to me. also nice to hear the lyrics in a non-shouty way for a change.

Something Like a Mama Alt Mix - the original has always been my favorite track off Beaucoup Fish so hearing this is a bit of a revelation. Even better would be to have an ambient version with just those lovely, evocative chords.

Ramajama - as many have accurately noted, this is the best of the unreleased tracks on disc 2 for sure. It's a bit odd that this didn't end up on any of the BF singles, since after Please Help Me there weren't any further (non-remix) bonus tracks from that era. That fade-out is a little abrupt and unceremonious, though, even for a demo.

As for the remixes on the other 2 bonus discs, there's several that I'm glad to finally have in better quality, namely Dave Angel's King of Snake and Adam Beyer's Push Upstairs mix 2. Both Futureshock mixes are solid. The Roger S Push Upstairs dub mostly just makes me want to listen to the superior, vocal version. The Sugar Hit mix of Jumbo is great but a bit frustrating to listen to since it starts fading out during an especially lovely bit and you know it's supposed to go on for another minute and a half. The Bungalow mix of King of Snake would have been great here too, and there would have been plenty of room for it. I'm assuming the original master for that would have been easier to track down than, say, those Italian KoS remixes. A missed opportunity for sure. But oh - I forgot I'm not supposed to be complaining here.

The Micronauts mix of Bruce Lee has long been my favorite version of that track and I've played it out DJing many times over the years, though usually my own 6:50 long edit version. The Buffalo Daughter remix - I did spend a bit of $ getting the Japanese Bruce Lee cd single back in the day just to get this track, and I remember finding it okay but a little inconsequential and so it made me wonder if the expense had been worth it.

The remaster job on the album is fine but also a bit unnecessary since the original master was fine to begin with. I made the decision to not buy the physical box set this time around (after having bought the first two) since the somewhat perplexing choices made on the bonus discs soured my impression of the whole thing a little bit. Though I'm a big fan of the art direction from this era so maybe I'm regretting my decision a tiny bit now. The BF album and singles may be my favorite design scheme for any release campaign ever (though Depeche Mode's Violator era releases are a very close second.)

One thing that I've realized about Beaucoup Fish now that I'm revisiting it is how much I hate the ending of Kittens. It never bugged me that much before but now it just seems like such a cliche, pompous, "ta-da!" kind of ending, like something that Jean Michel Jarre would do at the end of one of his millennium Pyramid concerts or something like that.

purlieu

08-27-2017, 07:11 PM

Even better would be to have an ambient version with just those lovely, evocative chords.

Yeah, it's my favourite BF track for that exact reason. The second half of the track is astonishingly beautiful and I'd love much more of that.

woofmute

08-27-2017, 07:38 PM

TheBang

08-27-2017, 08:54 PM

Mine was not glued at all either, unlike the prior ones.

BishBash

08-28-2017, 04:33 AM

In the middle of the Coccoluto mix, the beat drops out for a moment and you can really hear the vinyl noise quite clearly....

... apparently Underworld only have the shitty mp3 vinyl rips as well.

Maybe they used a youtube ripper on this upload (seriously, take a listen below circa 3.10 to the surface noise and compare the pops/clicks to what you've just bought. The "double click" at 3.21 Thoughts?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g1jEtBgdW8

industri_studios

08-28-2017, 05:56 AM

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/underworld-beaucoup-fish/

Pitchfork have reviewed the album...

TheBang

08-28-2017, 08:11 AM

Maybe they used a youtube ripper on this upload (seriously, take a listen below circa 3.10 to the surface noise and compare the pops/clicks to what you've just bought. The "double click" at 3.21 Thoughts?):
Yeah, I agree. Not that YouTube specifically (it was only uploaded at the end of May, after all), but the same MP3 source for that YouTube upload, which is probably a commonly circulating MP3 of the track.

Maybe only V2 (or the original producers) has the masters of those Italian remixes, and UW don't have a copy of the Italian CD either? Several of us would've been happy to lend CD rips, though, if only they'd asked.

mortslaw

08-28-2017, 11:07 AM

Hi all, got my boxset. Is there no download code like there was for previous reissue boxsets?

TheBang

08-28-2017, 11:44 AM

Hi all, got my boxset. Is there no download code like there was for previous reissue boxsets?
No download code. Welcome to the forums!

Lx_Nen

08-28-2017, 12:06 PM

I got a download code in mine!

TheBang

08-28-2017, 12:56 PM

Hm, might just be the US version then that didn't get a download code.

dubman

08-28-2017, 01:13 PM

Am i the only one whose super deluxe box had the paper with the track listing not actually attached to the box? it was folded round it but not glued, my dubno and stiti boxes have this paper glued on them. does at least let me see the back art in the pink colour scheme without damaging the paper for it. could try to get a picture if anyone is interested enough.

yeah i noticed that, then realized that the box design on the others is covered by the glued paper, so i removed all of them, took off the glue, and placed the paper inside the box. much better.

also in the biggest fanboy moment of 2017: i took the sticker on the plastic wrap of the BF box, and attached it to the poster i got back in 1999.

dubman

08-28-2017, 01:39 PM

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/underworld-beaucoup-fish/

Pitchfork have reviewed the album...

What Sherburne touches on about Kittens is what i almost started a separate thread about (and in fact it'd be fun to have a whole thread dedicated to individual tracks in some interesting/personal perspective way), but couldn't capably condense my nebulous vibes&thoughts on it enough to justify making a whole thread.

KITTENS.

it's a bit of a awkward bastard in 2017 isn't it? it used to be a head-floating bigtime highlight for me, but in the last decade or so a bad notion started creeping up, that it might but be... extraordinarily cheeseball. and not in the "all in good fun" kind.
individually, there's nothing wrong with earnestness, big statements, escalating synths, and the hard beat, but put together in this kind of package, it's the one on beaucoup fish that feels the most dated. if it's techno, it equates to a noxious, neverending fistpump. if it's underworld, it's pretty juvenile. if it's a stadium banger, it's almost cynical? what does this track do that Cherry Pie doesn't also indulge in with better results?
maybe it just all circles back to Sherburne's off-handed diagnosis: those fucking crash cymbals.

dubman

08-28-2017, 01:58 PM

ok third post in a row, but ending on a positive note:

after taking the BF box in full i understand and even appreciate a little having 2 discs of remixes. something still nags at the back of my head as to why more underworld material couldn't have made it, but the remixes are a distinct part of BF as a snapshot of the band in that time. they aren't photobombing it, they're part of the ethic. if you followed them, they bring back different but related memories (i only bought the singles box set to get at "Please Help Me", but ended up listening to some of the remixes for a time).

so fine, fine.

i'm happy with the outtakes (especially nifter) and my faves from that blend nicely into my big BF playlist.

pandamagic

08-28-2017, 03:33 PM

What Sherburne touches on about Kittens is what i almost started a separate thread about (and in fact it'd be fun to have a whole thread dedicated to individual tracks in some interesting/personal perspective way), but couldn't capably condense my nebulous vibes&thoughts on it enough to justify making a whole thread.

KITTENS.

it's a bit of a awkward bastard in 2017 isn't it? it used to be a head-floating bigtime highlight for me, but in the last decade or so a bad notion started creeping up, that it might but be... extraordinarily cheeseball. and not in the "all in good fun" kind.
individually, there's nothing wrong with earnestness, big statements, escalating synths, and the hard beat, but put together in this kind of package, it's the one on beaucoup fish that feels the most dated. if it's techno, it equates to a noxious, neverending fistpump. if it's underworld, it's pretty juvenile. if it's a stadium banger, it's almost cynical? what does this track do that Cherry Pie doesn't also indulge in with better results?
maybe it just all circles back to Sherburne's off-handed diagnosis: those fucking crash cymbals.

yup, this exactly. Kittens is emblematic of what began to turn me off about Underworld during the Beaucoup Fish years. (This also applies to Moaner as well, I guess, which gave me a headache both then and now.) I'd always loved the fine-tuned craftsmanship of the previous two albums, the sumptuous layers, the intricate percussion, the balancing act of being simultaneously moody and danceable. Even the "big" tracks like Cowgirl and the aforementioned Cherry Pie were smart and elegant in their own ways, never having to sacrifice detail for large scale impact. Kittens on the other hand, even though it wasn't entirely without precedent (Rowla for example), just seemed very . . . basic. It's moves were predictable, its intentions were obvious. I could appreciate that not everything they did needed to be an ornate, elaborate masterpiece, but did they really need to dispense with all their usual nuance? As dubman mentioned, Cherry Pie is just as massive sounding while still managing to be about 100 times more interesting. And it was only a b-side!

At least Cups was there to reassure me that the old Underworld I knew and loved still existed.

dubman

08-28-2017, 04:11 PM

I know there's some people here who consider it indispensable so i want them to jump in too.

rowla is a good contrast because it's simple minded but (imo) sneaks up on your groove detection system and implies a lot more than it lays out. those implications get explored and overblown in endless rolls on the live version, but i digress.
if you stripped Kittens down and let those synths breathe on their own, what would that sound like? wouldnt it imply everything else that the track adds and bricks you upside the head with? if you brought a beat in, what would it be like at half time? i'm sure a lot of this was explored by R&K&D, but something feels muffed about this almost-classic in a very weird way.

khouri

08-28-2017, 04:34 PM

I love Kittens. But these criticisms are thoughtful. Can't really argue except to say "But i like it anyway."

dubman

08-28-2017, 04:56 PM

does it all just click together and work for you, or is there something you think we're missing that makes it more complex than we give it credit for?

what is kittens
why is rez
how is banstyle

khouri

08-28-2017, 05:22 PM

does it all just click together and work for you, or is there something you think we're missing that makes it more complex than we give it credit for?

what is kittens
why is rez
how is banstyle

On the surface level, the rhythms and sounds and all the accents, crashes and noises are just pure catnip to me (no pun intended). But I think Kittens tells a kind of story, in an abstract art kind of way. You begin with this almost evil sounding invasion of percussion punctuated with these sinister bass notes. They build and build ominously for half the track, but then the bright keyboard pads start to rise out of the noise and ultimate beat back the cacophony of drums. When the keyboard solos, it feels like the sun's come out. Then when the drums come back you've got this programmed vs. live thing going on, where Rick is obviously playing those keys around the drums.

It feels like a narrative to me.

dubman

08-28-2017, 05:57 PM

On the surface level, the rhythms and sounds and all the accents, crashes and noises are just pure catnip to me (no pun intended). But I think Kittens tells a kind of story, in an abstract art kind of way. You begin with this almost evil sounding invasion of percussion punctuated with these sinister bass notes. They build and build ominously for half the track, but then the bright keyboard pads start to rise out of the noise and ultimate beat back the cacophony of drums. When the keyboard solos, it feels like the sun's come out. Then when the drums come back you've got this programmed vs. live thing going on, where Rick is obviously playing those keys around the drums.

It feels like a narrative to me.

what a graphic and novel perspective ;)

i kid. i did usually imagine the track in the context of whatever game or show or comic i was consuming at the time, so i see where you're coming from with that. i guess after so much of that kind of history it all peels off over time and i'm left with a great big box containing a remaster made to stand all on its own.

Troy McClure

08-28-2017, 09:48 PM

I got a download code in mine!

Was your download code for all 4 CDs or just disc 1? What format can you download with the code?

TheBang

08-28-2017, 09:50 PM

Lx_Nen told me the download code was all 4 discs, in 16/44 WAV.

philth

08-29-2017, 04:10 AM

purlieu

08-29-2017, 05:13 AM

I enjoy Kittens, but taking a moment and comparing it to Puppies (because, y'know, titles), I know which one feels more Underworld.

khouri

08-29-2017, 08:16 AM

pandamagic

08-29-2017, 03:11 PM

ceramic'cow

08-30-2017, 10:07 AM

I haven't been on here in ages. I've had a lovely time reading all of your complaints, broadly agreeing with them, and simultaneously enjoying the new boxset.

khouri

08-30-2017, 02:31 PM

The Kittens = Darren revelation just made me think of something...

Five Points = Darren? Could explain its absence?

Billy Goat

08-30-2017, 05:18 PM

The Kittens = Darren revelation just made me think of something...

Five Points = Darren? Could explain its absence?

That was my point/question earlier in the thread, does anyone know whether Darren had any input with the re-issues or any say on what could or could not be included? Are the extra tracks just R&K's? Are there others Darren was involved with that won't ever be released?

I would be very surprised if Five Points was Darren's, the music sounds a bit like Headset to me and I'm sure it must be Rick's tune.

Now Rowla must be Darren's, I'm sure I remember reading there were problems with putting together STITI and which /who's versions of tracks to use: Surely Rowla was Darren's and Cherry Pie was Rick's? Sorry if this point has already been discussed!

khouri

08-30-2017, 05:32 PM

Now Rowla must be Darren's, I'm sure I remember reading there were problems with putting together STITI and which /who's versions of tracks to use: Surely Rowla was Darren's and Cherry Pie was Rick's? Sorry if this point has already been discussed!

The live shows have tended to favor Rowla over Cherry Pie, so I've always assumed Rick had special fondness for it. According to the STITI credits in the reissue, Darren has co-writing credit on these tracks only: Juanita/Kiteless/To Dream of Love, Banstyle/Sappys Curry, Confusion the Waitress and Pearls Girl. Even Nuxx is credited to Rick and Karl alone.

After the split I remember reading interviews with Karl where he suggested that Rick was more responsible for the banging tracks than people would expect, so it's probably unwise to make assumptions.

As for Five Points, it doesn't sound too out of place next to Emerson and Sasha's Scorchio single from way back when...

potatobroth

08-31-2017, 06:27 AM

huh, never considered that 5points may have been heavliy Emerson and thus, not fit to include.

Cadevil

08-31-2017, 08:48 AM

Sorry, I had these tracks years ago, but my archive is a bit of a mess. Can someone point me in the direction of which live shows had 5 Points & Cape Ffuno?

Thanks

joethelion

08-31-2017, 10:33 AM

Sorry, I had these tracks years ago, but my archive is a bit of a mess. Can someone point me in the direction of which live shows had 5 Points & Cape Ffuno?

Thanks

Cape Ffuno was in the "Blue Mountain Jam" and it also reappeared later... I think during that tour just after Darren left (but maybe before AHDO?)

5 Points was played at "Hugo d.Nite" A-Hoy; Rotterdam, Netherlands ... and at a show in LA at the Mayan Theater

It's anybody's guess as to why "Five Points" wasn't included... I mean, if they actually do release a deluxe edition of "Everything Everything" there's a slim chance a live version might be included?

I'm still hoping that it might show up on the deluxe edition of AHDO (again - that is if they're making one - do we know if they're making special editions of every album?) ... as I think there's some of "Two Months Off"'s DNA in that track

khouri

08-31-2017, 12:22 PM

It's anybody's guess as to why "Five Points" wasn't included... I mean, if they actually do release a deluxe edition of "Everything Everything" there's a slim chance a live version might be included?

I'm still hoping that it might show up on the deluxe edition of AHDO (again - that is if they're making one - do we know if they're making special editions of every album?) ... as I think there's some of "Two Months Off"'s DNA in that track

I'm happy to buy as much Underworld material as they can release. If they did continue with EE and AHDO then by the time they got to Barking, that record would be over ten years old and suitable for a special edition.

mickstafa

08-31-2017, 01:43 PM

I'm happy to buy as much Underworld material as they can release. If they did continue with EE and AHDO then by the time they got to Barking, that record would be over ten years old and suitable for a special edition.

As long as they don't make half of the future reissues remixes.

I'm just now listening to all the remixes on the BF remaster... they are almost all terrible. I mean, these outside DJs take a portion of the songs and just repeat them ad nauseum. Maybe a few could work on a dance floor, but so many are just plain annoying.

The Salt City Orchestra mix of Cups is very good. It actually makes a statement and has its own special groove. Are there any other worthwhile remixes that y'all think are outstanding?

TheBang

08-31-2017, 03:23 PM

Jumbo Futureshock is one of my favorite remixes. I'm happy to have the full version in digital now.

Vancouver

08-31-2017, 06:09 PM

Apologies if I missed this in the thread but can anyone comment on:

1. The remaster of the album itself? Any upgrade over the original?

2. Has anyone picked up the vinyl reissue? I've got an original pressing but would be curious to know how a new pressing stacks up.

Cheers.

ceramic'cow

09-01-2017, 04:32 AM

Jumbo Futureshock is one of my favorite remixes. I'm happy to have the full version in digital now.
Yeah, the Jedis Sugar Hit and FutureShock Worlds Apart Jumbo mixes are two of the best UW remixes, I reckon.

potatobroth

09-01-2017, 06:40 AM

Yeah, the Jedis Sugar Hit and FutureShock Worlds Apart Jumbo mixes are two of the best UW remixes, I reckon.

absolutely agree. love these two.

joethelion

09-01-2017, 08:02 AM

...and of course - there's the awesome "Bruce Lee (Micronauts Remix)"

khouri

09-01-2017, 01:06 PM

Interesting oversight/error -- vinyl reissue does not contain the Trevor Morais' credit for "all the hitting things done in a live, loose and sexy way not dissimilar to drumming but better", which was on the original CD sleeve.

TheBang

09-01-2017, 08:56 PM

Yeah, he's not in the liner notes of the box set either.

Mike

09-02-2017, 10:28 AM

In relation to all the Kittens discussions going on, Darren Emerson once told me that Kittens was effectively "his track". Might go some way to explaining why it dated differently to the other tracks if it was developed more as a DJ friendly track. Just a thought.

I don't consider Kittens a DJ friendly at all. Perhaps it started as such but developed into something different.

I have read / heard in interviews in the past that Darren had a fondness for the track, particularly when he was "road testing" some tracks during DJ sets.

For me, the track that has dated the most is Moaner, and I was disappointed that there were no off-cuts or early versions in this box set, particularly as there is the awesome Relentless Legs mix.

I also feel there is more of a story to tell with King of Snake, another track that was "road tested" in some form, and had clearly gone through significant changes before the album version. The Garage version shows how far the band were trying to push the boundaries.

khouri

09-02-2017, 11:04 AM

I don't consider Kittens a DJ friendly at all. Perhaps it started as such but developed into something different..

Yeah, now that you mention it, hard to imagine Kittens playing in a nightclub, at least here in the US. But then again Underworld music has always been better than club music.

I also feel there is more of a story to tell with King of Snake, another track that was "road tested" in some form, and had clearly gone through significant changes before the album version. The Garage version shows how far the band were trying to push the boundaries.

Hadn't thought of this but you're right. A Nuxx-style evolution disc would be most welcome, and would probably include some variation on the back half of Ramajama. Fabulous idea.

twicezero

09-02-2017, 04:05 PM

1998-11-02 Reeperbahn - Mojo Club, Grosse Freiheit - Hamburg, Germany - is really good quality, though I can't work out if its a mix of 2 shows.

The 2nd version of King Of Snake is interesting, as the track listed as Improvisation after continues into Ramajama... Same as the temptation gig but a clearer recording...

However I can't find any shows from before that that have interesting versions of king of snake? Anyone suggest any?

negative1

09-02-2017, 04:23 PM

Checking out the booklet that came with it. Enjoying the original album artwork and singles.

Not really digging the socio-political and statistics on every other page, the artwork is ok,
but i don't like the text that goes with it.

3 out 5 for the booklet.

later
-1

joethelion

09-05-2017, 10:00 AM

For me, the track that has dated the most is Moaner, and I was disappointed that there were no off-cuts or early versions in this box set, particularly as there is the awesome Relentless Legs mix.

My theory as to why there aren't any "Moaner" variations on the deluxe edition:

I wonder if there's a bit of U2's "Mofo" in the DNA of "Moaner"*

{bit of a reminder, U2 + UW collaborated on a song, where Bono walked around outside singing / speaking lyrics into a microphone, while the rest of the band jammed inside the studio. The track didn’t get released because “it sounded like an UW remix of a u2 song, instead of a collaboration” (or something to that effect).}

I had always assumed that U2 had basically finished what we know as the album version of “Mofo”, then that was used as source material for their collaboration… But, now knowing how late U2 were still mixing & recording material for “Pop”, and how early UW’s recording sessions for what would become “Beaucoup Fish” - I’m not so sure that was the case.

It’s much more likely that U2 only had elements of a song, which were brought to UW for them to ‘jam out’ until they created “Mofo”

I mean... is it just me, or does the outro of the "Album Version" of Moaner (off the single & the Batman soundtrack) sound a lot like "Mofo"?

Or even... U2's "Pop Muzik" - the super long outro (which also uses the "Mofo" baseline) - sounds very UW-ish to me...

* kinda like how it was recently 'discovered' that the Rolling Stones' "It's Only Rock 'n Roll (But I Like It)" was originally a Bowie / Jagger collab, but Keith insisted that it should be a "Stones song" - so they just added overdubs onto the original

TheBang

09-05-2017, 01:10 PM

khouri

09-05-2017, 03:04 PM

Maybe the lack of Moaner outtakes has something to do with publishing? IIRC it's got a different rights situation on account of appearing first on the film's soundtrack?

joethelion

09-05-2017, 04:40 PM

No, we had this discussion before, remember?

Underworld and U2 collaborated on Mofo. But it remains unreleased.

Unrelatedly, they needed a song for Batman & Robin. It was going to be an REM collaboration, until it wasn't. Karl laid down lyrics instead of Stipe, and Moaner was born.

wow - I remember this topic coming up before, but I didn't remember that discussion at all...

It's also weird to read my old comments... I was very 'authoritative' back then, huh?

So... okay...

U2 + UW did collaborate on a version of 'mofo' which remains unreleased, but "Mofo" has nothing to do with "Moaner" - even though they were recorded (somewhat) around the same time

markreed

09-07-2017, 02:04 PM

The early version of U2's "Mofo" was on a promo industry sizzle reel : https://soundcloud.com/mrmarkreed/mofo-demo-version

The released version clearly borrows a lot from the genre, even if it has no Underworld left in it.

Also, "Moaner" might be restricted from re-release by whatever deal UW did with Warners for the Batman Soundtrack. Besides which, generally Warners etc., have synchronisation rights so reissues of soundtrack-only material is something that is very very low on their list of priorities and probably more hassle than they can bothered with.

darktrain

09-07-2017, 03:45 PM

It was going to be an REM collaboration, until it wasn't. Karl laid down lyrics instead of Stipe, and Moaner was born.

The idea of Stipe vox + Rick music still gives me chills.

joethelion

09-07-2017, 04:48 PM

The early version of U2's "Mofo" was on a promo industry sizzle reel : https://soundcloud.com/mrmarkreed/mofo-demo-version

The released version clearly borrows a lot from the genre, even if it has no Underworld left in it.
.

...holy crap. I've never heard that before! I had to keep the volume quite low (as I'm at work) - but it sounds like that's a totally different vocal + instrumentation

markreed

09-08-2017, 02:46 PM

I know this is veering off topic, but that is a early 1996 demo recording - not one part of that is on the finished LP mix.

khouri

09-11-2017, 11:28 PM

Finally received my super deluxe box! Mini reviews below.

Disc 1: The album proper

Nice polish. Everything sounds great, except now the end of Bruce Lee bleeds into the start of Kittens. Alas. Bruce Lee and Push Downstairs remain the shit tracks even all these years later. The day I heard Please Help Me, I knew it should have been on the album instead of Push Downstairs and I feel the same way today. PD is a dodgy dub remix of another track on the same album; no business being there. Please Help Me is a top track, one of their best of this era. Bruce Lee, eh, there's so much great stuff on the record you can forgive it but it's aged badly and it sounded weird even then. A galant effort I suppose.

Disc 2: Unreleased.

Love this disc. Alternate takes, unfinished songs. This is what being an Underworld obsessive is all about. You can almost hear an alternate version of the album with this. Wish there was more.

1. Nifter: cool.
2. Bruce Lee (Rick's 1st Dobro Mix): What does dobro/dobrobet mean? Anyway, this is more interesting than the final mix. Is that a bit of Kippers sneaking in?
3. UW Orange Bed: Interesting; seems Pens and Something Like A Mama were born out of this track.
4. Skym: Cool.
5. Jumbo demo: at last, the source of the "steel under her" lyric! I always wondered if it was a live development or something cut from the original draft, as it were.
6. Push Upstairs: Neat demo version, nice to hear the origin of some of the elements that we've heard in live performances. Between this, the Jumbo demo and Orange Bed, you can start to imagine a version of Beaucoup Fish that was a bit livelier and bouncier than the darker, more banging final product.
7. King of Snake Garage Mix: Sounds like old Daft Punk.
8. Something Like A Mama Alt Mix: Might prefer this to the album version, which I always thought was just a biiiiit boring? I like all the samples and other instruments in this version.
9. Please Help Me: an old favorite.
10. Yeah Plan: Cool. Sounds more like Second Toughest to me.
11. Ramajama: I think some of this went on to become Two Months Off.

Disc 3: Remixes 1

1. Cups (Salt Lake City Orchestra): Always loved this version. Easily the best Underworld remix by another artist.
2. Jumbo (Jedi's Sugar Hit Mix): Shit.
3. Jumbo (Futureshock Vocal Mix): Shit.
4. Push Upstairs (Darren Price Remix): Eh.
5. King of Snake (Slam Remix): Shit.
6. King of Snake (Fatboy Slim Remix): This is cool, he's having fun with it.
7. King of Snake (Dave Clarke Remix): Unbelievably shit.
8. Bruce Lee (Micronauts Remix): Shit.
9. Bruce Lee (Buffalo Daughter): Some cool bits.

Disc 4: Remixes 2

1. Bruce Lee (DJ Hype & DJ Zinc Vocal Mix): Shit.
2. Bruce Lee (DJ Hype & DJ Zinc Instrumental): Better.
3. Bruce Lee (Futureshock Remix): Shit.
4. King of Snake (Claudio Coccoluto Remix): Shit.
5. King of Snake (Martinez Mix): Shit.
6. King of Snake (Dave Angel Remix): Incredibly shit.
7. Jumbo (Rob Rives & Francois Kevorkian Dub): Absolute shit.
8. Push Upstairs (Roger S Narcotic Haze Dub): A shit Daft Punk remix.
9. Push Upstairs (Adam Beyer Rmx 2): Shit.

BishBash

09-12-2017, 09:32 AM

^ Ha! Funny reviews of the remixes.

6. King of Snake (Fatboy Slim Remix): This is cool, he's having fun with it.

Yes! I agree. Big fun.

charleswise

10-06-2017, 06:48 PM

I know I'm a little late here but I just picked this up.

No download code in mine either. I'm in the US.

I've seen conflicting posts. Was there supposed to be a download code and I need to return this or is there no download (at least in the US)?

TheBang

10-06-2017, 07:15 PM

There's no download code in the US box set or vinyl.

charleswise

10-09-2017, 08:44 PM

There's no download code in the US box set or vinyl.

Thanks!

domsgotsideburns

01-23-2018, 05:26 AM

i recently picked up the box set the other day (specifically the UK version) and there's a few things i noticed that i don't think have been pointed out here:

the dave clarke remix of king of snake not only removes the beginning vocals from karl but all the vocals in the song are removed. i noticed this from other vinyl uploads from youtube which do include karl's vocals. is there an already-existing version that is completely instrumental?

the .wav download that comes with the UK print of the super deluxe box set is mastered a little differently from all the other digital versions. a little portion of the ending of cups is tacked onto the beginning of push upstairs and the ending of bruce lee is tacked onto the beginning of kittens, similarly to the original master of beaucoup fish. all of the first tracks on each disc also begin with silence for the first second. all the digital versions like spotify, itunes, etc. do not share these qualities